Excellent insights on this weapon! The handle design really takes the tomahawk to a whole new level. It seems that the handle design also pitches the bevel farther forward for more leverage and power! Keep up the great work Rolando!
They are great people. And their training methodologies are some of the most sophisticated I've seen. It's awesome to see them getting the recognition they deserve. Though, they care not about recognition, just attribution.
Prior to the Sayoc group Kalli was taught primarily to US Army Special Operations. This can be verified by looking at US ARMY field manual 21-150. That was the Army combatives manual. It was taught to Special Forces students prior to SOCP. Kelly Wordan taught most of the units west of the Mississippi. James A. Keating traveled to teach. I taught at JFK SWC. I was one of the cadre that Gregg Thompson mentioned in the foreword of his SOCP book. I. Was responsible for the edged weapon portion of the Army manual. We taught tomahawk with a Kali flare. I really like the winkler/sayoc hawk. Well designed and executed. We used RMJ Forge and American tomahawk company pieces and trainers. There were quite a few articles written about the subject in Fighting Knives, Tactical knives, and SOF magazines. If you ever have any questions reach out...got a history of knowledge on this. Another great video. Enjoyed your assessment.
Just FYI, there IS a specific Sayoc tomahawk template (12 beats/targets) as well as several isolations for that template. Yes, some of the beats are the same as the 3 of 9, but some are very different.
In the movie 🍿🎥 like you referred to the ( last of the Mohicans ) noticing that when your gun shot was expended concerning flint lock muskets , the natural combat stance was tomahawk and bowie knife 🗡️ with the Bowie facing backwards, to grab , hook , with the tomahawk pulling in a opponent in range of the Bowie knife for a bowie strike , or hooking the musket barrel moving it away for a Bowie strike ...It seems that the two were used in combination the tomahawk and bowie - not only very interesting but very kool , you see it also in the movie ( the Patriot ) with mel Gibson , it obviously was a combat combo with merit , once your gun was fired - maybe even considered the primary weapons one or the other or both together? And the same with indigenous people after the bow 🏹 , similar to the musket -; tomahawk and Bowie.. ( close quarters ) option .
It is the most difficult to master and to teach. With most double weapons systems they at least resemble each other. The Bowie and the tomahawk are so different from each other it is as if you’re playing tennis and shooting a handgun at the same time.
Great demonstration. I have the full size, with spike, got it from Knife Art as well. It feels like an extension of the hand, and the tapered tang puts the weight in the head. I got a plastic trainer for it, shape is good but very light of course.
There isn’t much of a stand off, dueling type of use for this. Not in combat, and anyone using this will find himself in very close range to his opponent. The short, flicky cuts, that’s not really functional. You wouldn’t use a hammer like that, and this tomahawk is like a crossbreed between a hammer and an icepick. The shape of the handle is in part derived from icepicks. It’s meant to dig in and stick so you can pull on it, it’s not a great cutting blade and the angle of the edge does not lend itself to cutting and slicing out of the target. When you train with a person, and I have one aluminium trainer from Sayoc and a light polymer trainer from Tuhon Felix Cortes (discontinued), you realize what it is good for. It’s like a grappling hook and it’s great for digging in behind the neck, over the traps and clavicles, the hip crease, in the fold of the elbows and knees etc. You don’t stand off and throw extended strikes with it, you simply smash and pull and move the body around and down. Finishing with it is simply cracking the coconut..
I would add that the top section of the handle is great for drawing the hawk from it’s sheath and punch cutting, but you would punch cut horizontally, palm down, to the throat or face, then post the butt of the hawk on your hip and regrip down the handle to follow up with leveraged strikes. You can also strike with the butt, holding the pistol grip section and power assisting with one palm over the top of the blade.
@@Chiburi thank you these are great details! Interestingly I’m editing the upcoming videos with a few of the things you are describing! Suffice to say that there is a lot of intelligent design behind the tool so that some of these conclusions can be arrived it with good observations and forethought. Thank you for sharing these!
From the time I was 14 until I was around 21 years old hitchhiked all over the place because I didn't have a car and I like to travel and I had a lot of friends visit. The whole time I usually carry a tomahawk in my sleeve, if I had long sleeve sweater or something, with the tomahawk head in my hand and the handle going up the sleeve to where I can just let go of the tomahawk head and it would slide right into my hand. Whenever I got a ride I would let the people know that I was carrying it and that it was just for my protection. I was so good with that tomahawk that anyone within 20 ft of me was probably going to get it to a vital area if they tried anything and it would be too fast for them to dodge they might be able to block if they had their arm already up that's how fast it was. Now for distances further than that it took longer for it to reach the target so they had a little more chance so you would have to do it when they're not looking also you got to remember if you throw your weapon then you're throwing them a weapon and disarming yourself if you miss. I never had to use it on anyone thank God. But I did practice throwing it at trees and other targets for 8 years almost and while I was walking with it I would toss it into the air in a spin that was not like when you flip something up in the air and catch it normally because I would do it the opposite way like the same direction it would spin as if I was throwing it and I would count the number of revolutions mentally and then stick my hand back out and it would basically pop right back into my hand and I would do this on a moonless night walking down the street over and over and over and over again for miles and only drop it every now and then. And keep in mind that usually this hatchet was razor sharp. The farthest throw ever made with it cedar tree about 50 or 60 yards away from me. The the place where a target practice at had a series of trees that marked off the distances and I can just throw it in line with those trees and it would always hit the target. But I do this thing everywhere I went even at trees like right on the edge of a cliff and if I missed I would lose my hatchet forever and this was something that was very dear to me an important. I never missed which was a couple of times I went down and got it no matter how long it took. One time me and a group of friends was walking along a residential block in a small town here where I live and I told them watch this and we were at the beginning of the block on just stepping up the curb of the sidewalk when I threw it as hard as I could and a telephone pole on the corner of the next block so not across the street but across the whole block to the next intersection and all the way across that street and there was two cars on either side of the telephone pole and I hit that telephone pole right in the middle of the middle reflector because there's three reflectors on them sometimes and I was aiming right for that middle reflector and that's exactly where I hid it. And that middle reflector was about the exact same width as my hatchet blade was so not only did I hit that reflektor I hit it perfectly dead center to where it popped it off of the telephone pole and it made an audible thing as it popped off even audible from where we were and it amazed them and I got to say it it made myself too cuz I was the best thing I ever made.about 5 years after that when I was like 24 and it was one of the last time I actually threw my hatchet my little brother can't pull it up into my driveway to take me and my wife to her wedding and right when he did it I threw the hatchet over his truck about 30 yards away and I nailed right into a telephone pole again right at the reflector but it didn't pop it but I did it right in front of him right over his truck and the first time I touch it for years cuz I just found it up. I think my wife did something with the hatchet because she was jealous of it. All of this is true none of it is a joke or an exaggeration
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Such amazing tool! Great video as always!
Thank you! More to come on this tomahawk - both compact and full size!
Excellent insights on this weapon! The handle design really takes the tomahawk to a whole new level. It seems that the handle design also pitches the bevel farther forward for more leverage and power! Keep up the great work Rolando!
Thank you Mark for the wonderful feedback!
I trained in Sayoc for 14 years. They are everything they say they are and so much more.
I believe it! I have a lot of respect for Sayoc Kali!
They are great people. And their training methodologies are some of the most sophisticated I've seen. It's awesome to see them getting the recognition they deserve. Though, they care not about recognition, just attribution.
Prior to the Sayoc group Kalli was taught primarily to US Army Special Operations. This can be verified by looking at US ARMY field manual 21-150. That was the Army combatives manual. It was taught to Special Forces students prior to SOCP. Kelly Wordan taught most of the units west of the Mississippi. James A. Keating traveled to teach. I taught at JFK SWC. I was one of the cadre that Gregg Thompson mentioned in the foreword of his SOCP book. I. Was responsible for the edged weapon portion of the Army manual. We taught tomahawk with a Kali flare. I really like the winkler/sayoc hawk. Well designed and executed. We used RMJ Forge and American tomahawk company pieces and trainers. There were quite a few articles written about the subject in Fighting Knives, Tactical knives, and SOF magazines. If you ever have any questions reach out...got a history of knowledge on this. Another great video. Enjoyed your assessment.
Hey Bernard that is fantastic! Please email me at rolandoestocada@gmail.com. Would love to discuss more!
@@RolandoEstocada sorry. I haven't forgotten about you. Taking care of a family business matter. I email you soon.
Just FYI, there IS a specific Sayoc tomahawk template (12 beats/targets) as well as several isolations for that template. Yes, some of the beats are the same as the 3 of 9, but some are very different.
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Great video as always my friend. 👍
In the movie 🍿🎥 like you referred to the ( last of the Mohicans ) noticing that when your gun shot was expended concerning flint lock muskets , the natural combat stance was tomahawk and bowie knife 🗡️ with the Bowie facing backwards, to grab , hook , with the tomahawk pulling in a opponent in range of the Bowie knife for a bowie strike , or hooking the musket barrel moving it away for a Bowie strike ...It seems that the two were used in combination the tomahawk and bowie - not only very interesting but very kool , you see it also in the movie ( the Patriot ) with mel Gibson , it obviously was a combat combo with merit , once your gun was fired - maybe even considered the primary weapons one or the other or both together? And the same with indigenous people after the bow 🏹 , similar to the musket -; tomahawk and Bowie.. ( close quarters ) option .
It is the most difficult to master and to teach. With most double weapons systems they at least resemble each other. The Bowie and the tomahawk are so different from each other it is as if you’re playing tennis and shooting a handgun at the same time.
The Cold Steel Trench Hawk you have is gorgeous. The green and black color combination really stands out. Is it a matte finish too? 💚 🖤.
YES. 🙏🏽🔥👊🏽
Great demonstration. I have the full size, with spike, got it from Knife Art as well. It feels like an extension of the hand, and the tapered tang puts the weight in the head. I got a plastic trainer for it, shape is good but very light of course.
That’s great news! My full size is on its way!
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There isn’t much of a stand off, dueling type of use for this. Not in combat, and anyone using this will find himself in very close range to his opponent. The short, flicky cuts, that’s not really functional. You wouldn’t use a hammer like that, and this tomahawk is like a crossbreed between a hammer and an icepick. The shape of the handle is in part derived from icepicks. It’s meant to dig in and stick so you can pull on it, it’s not a great cutting blade and the angle of the edge does not lend itself to cutting and slicing out of the target. When you train with a person, and I have one aluminium trainer from Sayoc and a light polymer trainer from Tuhon Felix Cortes (discontinued), you realize what it is good for. It’s like a grappling hook and it’s great for digging in behind the neck, over the traps and clavicles, the hip crease, in the fold of the elbows and knees etc. You don’t stand off and throw extended strikes with it, you simply smash and pull and move the body around and down. Finishing with it is simply cracking the coconut..
I have an upcoming video that covers exactly what you are talking about. Stay tuned! 🙏🏽🔥👊🏽
I would add that the top section of the handle is great for drawing the hawk from it’s sheath and punch cutting, but you would punch cut horizontally, palm down, to the throat or face, then post the butt of the hawk on your hip and regrip down the handle to follow up with leveraged strikes. You can also strike with the butt, holding the pistol grip section and power assisting with one palm over the top of the blade.
@@Chiburi thank you these are great details! Interestingly I’m editing the upcoming videos with a few of the things you are describing! Suffice to say that there is a lot of intelligent design behind the tool so that some of these conclusions can be arrived it with good observations and forethought. Thank you for sharing these!
Rmj or bastinelli hawk is more reliable not a fan of wood handles.
Sit tight.
Winkler has a laminate, micarta like, and a rubber handle option.
From the time I was 14 until I was around 21 years old hitchhiked all over the place because I didn't have a car and I like to travel and I had a lot of friends visit. The whole time I usually carry a tomahawk in my sleeve, if I had long sleeve sweater or something, with the tomahawk head in my hand and the handle going up the sleeve to where I can just let go of the tomahawk head and it would slide right into my hand. Whenever I got a ride I would let the people know that I was carrying it and that it was just for my protection. I was so good with that tomahawk that anyone within 20 ft of me was probably going to get it to a vital area if they tried anything and it would be too fast for them to dodge they might be able to block if they had their arm already up that's how fast it was. Now for distances further than that it took longer for it to reach the target so they had a little more chance so you would have to do it when they're not looking also you got to remember if you throw your weapon then you're throwing them a weapon and disarming yourself if you miss. I never had to use it on anyone thank God. But I did practice throwing it at trees and other targets for 8 years almost and while I was walking with it I would toss it into the air in a spin that was not like when you flip something up in the air and catch it normally because I would do it the opposite way like the same direction it would spin as if I was throwing it and I would count the number of revolutions mentally and then stick my hand back out and it would basically pop right back into my hand and I would do this on a moonless night walking down the street over and over and over and over again for miles and only drop it every now and then. And keep in mind that usually this hatchet was razor sharp. The farthest throw ever made with it cedar tree about 50 or 60 yards away from me. The the place where a target practice at had a series of trees that marked off the distances and I can just throw it in line with those trees and it would always hit the target. But I do this thing everywhere I went even at trees like right on the edge of a cliff and if I missed I would lose my hatchet forever and this was something that was very dear to me an important. I never missed which was a couple of times I went down and got it no matter how long it took. One time me and a group of friends was walking along a residential block in a small town here where I live and I told them watch this and we were at the beginning of the block on just stepping up the curb of the sidewalk when I threw it as hard as I could and a telephone pole on the corner of the next block so not across the street but across the whole block to the next intersection and all the way across that street and there was two cars on either side of the telephone pole and I hit that telephone pole right in the middle of the middle reflector because there's three reflectors on them sometimes and I was aiming right for that middle reflector and that's exactly where I hid it. And that middle reflector was about the exact same width as my hatchet blade was so not only did I hit that reflektor I hit it perfectly dead center to where it popped it off of the telephone pole and it made an audible thing as it popped off even audible from where we were and it amazed them and I got to say it it made myself too cuz I was the best thing I ever made.about 5 years after that when I was like 24 and it was one of the last time I actually threw my hatchet my little brother can't pull it up into my driveway to take me and my wife to her wedding and right when he did it I threw the hatchet over his truck about 30 yards away and I nailed right into a telephone pole again right at the reflector but it didn't pop it but I did it right in front of him right over his truck and the first time I touch it for years cuz I just found it up. I think my wife did something with the hatchet because she was jealous of it. All of this is true none of it is a joke or an exaggeration