Thornton Dale Parish Council Extra Ordinary PC meeting July 18th 2023
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- Extra Ordinary meeting of Thornton Le Dale Parish Council to discuss the results of the Parish Poll. 75% of the electorate voted to see the PC dissolved, an overwhelming vote of "no confidence" in the current Parish Council.
The chair was the problem here. The woman in pink was making some points, they may have been valid or not, but she should have been allowed at least to say them, and then she should have been told to remain silent while others spoke. People were speaking without being invited to by the chair. It just needed someone to lead the meeting effectively.
Agree entirely - what sort of election is it where the votes of all those who did not vote are regarded as voting AGAINST the motion - that's a very warped take on English democracy!! At that rate we would be recording all votes of people who did not vote in a General Election as supporting the opposition parties - sheer insanity!
@@garryspiller2715 RIght, but it's some kind of non-binding referendum, and usually (best practice!) you would have some kind of minimum vote share for that. So it was just very incompetently done overall, but they shouldn't all be resigning.
As well as butting in all the time, the woman in pink made some very silly points as well - such as the one about some people being only "de facto" (she meant "de jure") elected. That is nothing to do with anything. She is generally very aggressive and I can see why they are all fed up of her.
@harrparr8988 One point the woman in Pink does make, before she starts channelling Malcolm Tucker, is that the council should resign. And on this showing it’s hard to disagree. The real problem is that people qualify for these roles through enthusiasm, not through competence. Once the enthusiasm has been sapped by infighting, backbiting and rampant egoism, you’re just left with the incompetence. These folk might be great at allocating a budget, but if they are unable to engage in civil discourse they’d be better off spending their evenings in the pub. (Like most of their parishioners!)
Surely this is worthy of a TV series. I can't wait for the next council meeting !
I'd love to see the footage of council meetings in my home town Croydon. We're in £1 billion debt 🤦♂️
@@matthewprince9705bloody hell! There is an argument these days that regions would literally be better off without any local authority.
what an utter shambles, the only councillor who seems to have any understanding of standing orders is the lady in pink. The conduct of the Chair is very unbecoming and shrill. This Council needs training.
Yes the Chair is quite appalling. This would be ideal on a management 'leadership' training seminar actually - as an example of how NOT to Chair a meeting. She has absolutely no control over proceedings & committee members seem to incoherently warble away at will - how they produce an agreed set of minutes.... Most of the aggression, disrespect & rudeness seems to come from the lady Chair as well - there's obv some backstory behind all this angst!
It needs new blood. I'm sure there are parishioners that aren't either a karen or a potato that would serve (on a newly constituted council). And sack the clerk.
Lady in pink was the only one that looked to make any sense. The rest acted like children. She’s right they should all resign. And start again. A competent and conciliatory chair should be found. If it’s possible! Lookers on see most.
Welcome to everyone getting this in their recommended views.
Wonder if this will take off like Jackie Weaver did
Something is rotten in Thornton Le Dale
Have after!
The women in pink isn't ideal, but she seems to be in the right.
The lady in pink ("Janet" I think) was correct. The problem with PC meeting is that a lot of people get jealous very quickly if someone is motivated, professional and accurate.
She's generally correct, if a bit rude about it. It's mainly the chair losing control and also acting with far too much personal animosity. Don't know if there's some backstory that might make that more justified than it looks. But she should be letting Sandra get her word in, then asking for other opinions rather than jumping straight into an argument. Sandra seems to be acting out of democratic principles rather than a power grab or anything.
@@margheritapizza I don't find her rude. Perfunctory and focused. I know nothing about her or her background but I would suggest she is typical of many professional services managers etc. You might argue that such a way has no place on a PC, but equally it could be said a PC is there to transact business only. It's not a book club.
@@dbaytug I think especially towards the lady in blue she is a bit. Mainly though it's all a bit too heated and they lose the ability to patiently listen and take turns.
@@margheritapizza Yes perhaps. But the bulk of the animus was being directed in her direction so I am not surprised she felt fractious
Makes The Vicar Of Dibley parish council meetings look professional 😂
Yes!!!!!!!!
The Chair and Clerk needs training. There’s no ‘point of order’ called by the Chair and they are clearly not respecting or adhering to the Standing Orders. No clear instructions given to Cllr’s or Public. So sad to see this first level of government in such a mess.
No introductions, no structure to this meeting, a total shambles. The tone, volume and voice of the woman who slammed her hand down on the table was so grating and childish. The woman in the pink was a bit overbearing and did come across as rude but she was confident about what she was saying about the rules etc. The other 2 previously elected councillors should also know the criteria and rules but said nothing. Do these people receive any training on how to run a meeting at all? Good luck👍 to the good residents of Thornton-le-Dale, looks like you are going to need it!
I'm finding it particularly difficult to guess who might be murdered first. I think the lady in Blue might well be the first one and I suspect the location will be the local bus stop.
Has the Chair ever had training I am disgusted.I have lived here 35 years solidly not in and out and welcome newcomers to our village it will keep it alive. The conduct was disgraceful and I do not want to pay anything to this council as it stands
This behaviour is a perfect storyline for Sunday night murder mystery shows like Midsomer Murders. In a good episode, the villain would have "worked through" half of the council 😉
Wow.
75% of 16% as as near nowt was meks no odds!
Most local elections are decided on voter turnouts of < 35% - should we therefore void any referendum or election based on numbers who voted then if the numbers who bother to vote are low (unless so prescribed, of course)? Otherwise, a majority is a majority, as a quorum is a quorum. Isn't that democracy?
@@garryspiller2715 Nope, it's mobocracy. Basing any claim on 75% of 16% is simply absurd.
It seems to me that the chair has a personality problem and is probably a person who has lived in the village all her life and doesn’t like change and it’s either her way or no way. I totally agree that if the village proposed a vote of no confidence then that’s the way forward, new blood in an organisation is sometimes the best thing for everyone. Nevertheless very entertaining and the the chair should be totally ashamed of herself and should resign with immediate effect.
Someone get a high horse for pink top lady
Sandra ❤
Whether you are elected by a vote or elected unopposed is utterly irrelevant.
The man calling her a disgrace is a bully.
For those of us in the outside world it's hard to fairly judge the rights and wrongs as we don't know the wider context, and the various steps that have lead to this impasse.
there are many of us living in the parish who have heard nothing about this until the whole issue blew up and we were not invited to take part in the parish poll making the entire process invalid.
At the recent local elections where I stood unsuccessfully as a candidate I noticed there were two villages where they had Parish Council Elections where the village members could vote for one candidate or another. In many places most people just stand unopposed.
I have been to the village of Thornton le Dale a number of times to visit friends and have frequented the local pubs. Perhaps there needs to be a parish Council Election at the next local District Council Elections where the local residents can make a decision. However I note that the village has 2 communities, those inhabitants that were born and live in the village and the new residents usually more affluent who have moved in from else where who have different views on how things should be run. The situation is further complicated by the fact that Thornton le Dale is in the Yorkshire Moors National Park, which also have their own bye laws. For instances all buildings must be made of a certain type of stone, with a certain roof tile and the front doors must be of a certain National Park colour which makes getting planning permission to build a lot more difficult than elsewhere.
This is almost as cringing bad as the Jackie Weaver one.
I-I don't know if this is a serious video or not. Why has TH-cam recommended this to me?
Very sadly, this is a serious real life recording of a parish council meeting.
Just shows you why democracy doesnt work - this country has had it
Wish the lady in pink was Head of the home office. She would sort it out. And I'd send her to meet the eu 😂😂