I will have to say to anyone looking into Orthodoxy I would say attend services as much as you can. I watched it online for months but seeing it in person was so different and very full! Seeing the Icons, smelling the incense, and being surrounded by the chanters and hearing God's words is a really great way to start. Then start with some good books that introduce you to Orthodoxy.
@@koppite9600 I'm part of the Orthodox Church. We don't really have denominations just different "flavors". As for arguments, I don't know what you're trying to say there but I've read so many books about Orthodoxy and the parts that people say are lacking are the parts that don't really need to be explained. As a westerner, I understand the need to want to know everything and have answers for everything but I like the Mystery part that Orthodoxy doesn't need to provide answers to things that are outside of our scope of understanding. For some, that's a hard hill to climb and I get it but each person has to make that decision.
@@ricardoarchangel28 in Acts we see Paul go to Jerusalem to have circumcision discussed, how can Orthodox replicate that today? Where would Paul go if he were here today with a problem?
@@koppite9600 I want to say by plane as a joke but the real question is what is there left to discuss that hasn't been discussed in 2000 years of Church history? Its all there by all of those who have come before us.
I’ve been going to an Orthodox Church for just under 3 months now, I was an unbeliever before. I was a mess after my first Divine Liturgy, it was truly life changing.
Thank you! I am blessed to have a wonderful Priest and community there who have been amazing to help guide me and begin my catechism. At my first Divine Liturgy, the first time I heard the choir sing the Trisagion prayer I burst into tears and felt that pain in my heart, but it’s a pain of healing. It’s a feeling hard to explain but it still brings tears to my eyes.
Today I went to Divine Liturgy for the first time, I had tears in my eyes a few times. I’ve talked about you afterwards with the priest. Thank you and may God bless you.
Well said by Fr Trenham. Orthodox Christianity isn't just an idea or a theory. It's an entire way of life. God wants you to offer up every part of yourself to be transformed by Him - your intellect, your emotions, your body, your lifestyle, He wants every last part of you. And you're not truly a Christian unless you offer up every part of yourself to God.
"For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian." St. John Chrysostom
Stay strong brothers! I believe it is not easy to be an Orthodox in USA, in that mess... I am from Serbia, Orthodoxy here was brought about 1180 years ago, and we are Orthodox ever sence... With so many saint kings and queens, saint fathers, but also great passions of our people, i feel so blessed to be Serbian and to walk on this land here, but i also feel that for me it is easier to be an Orthodox in a way, it is not hard to be a flower in a garden, but in a desert?
Be careful of the way they package the gospel there. Avoid them if they teach culture war against Teh Decadent West. The Russian Orthodox Church is rife with this false teaching on Holy Russia, and their hierarchs support Putin’s war on Ukraine. Find a church whose priest is not a putinstan.
Beware that ROCOR went back to Moscow and their clergy bless “Russkii Mir” aggression and genocide against Slavic and Baltic neighbors. They supported the schism created by Moscow in regards to Constantinople and the Greek Orthodox in the USA recognizing Kyiv’s right to have a self-ruling Orthodox Church. I would visit ROCOR in SF often until they sold out to the Kremlin. However, recently they are having “buyers remorse” about returning to “the Third Rome.” Look and see if there is an Antiochian Orthodox mission or home worship group in your area.
@@anastunya Wow. First, do you really think ROCOR was better off pre-2007 as a quasi-schismatic group? Them returning to Moscow is only step 1 of undoing the terrible consequences of the 1917 revolution of fracturing the jurisdictions in the diaspora. It's bad enough that we have overlapping jurisdictions of different churches, but overlapping jurisdictions of the same church is just absurd. Second, "the schism created by Moscow in regards to Constantinople"? As if the Ecumenical Patrairch didn't create the mess himself by doing an uncanonical act that no other churches except for the greek ones recognized, and possibly because of money, like in the case of Alexandria. Finally, they don't support genocide. That's ridiculous. You just don't like them because they aren't GOARCH/Fordhamite liberals. And I say that as someone who deeply disagrees with their schismatic spirit, their takes on rebaptism of those received via chrismation, and who thinks that they should be abolished and fully absorbed by the MP.
@@anastunya well there are priests of good conscience in all jurisdictions though ROCOR is headed by Russkii mir fanatics, some parishes might be fairly normal. But on the other hand you can also find fanatics in all jurisdictions. Matthew Hodges formerly of the OCA Midwest was at Capitol Hill insurrection, was suspended by Abp. Paul but now active in Abp. Michael’s NY Diocese...
You are always a pleasure to hear, Fthr Trenham, and this message is no exception. One concern I have had is the misquote of Jesus by the Orthodoxy that the Church is the vine, when according to Jesus, HE is the vine, while the Church is his body. I don't question the importance of the Church, its liturgy, its traditions, or its sacraments, however, the Westernized flavor of Roman Catholicism seeping into the Orthodoxy is troubling. With direct contradictions to the very words of Christ, I believe we must be bold and correct such errors of doctrine. God bless you.
You need to understand that the Church is Christ. It’s not just about Him, it’s his mystical Body. The Church isn’t an edifice that presents the Sacraments, it is itself Sacrament, the visible presence of Divine reality, the presence of Christ Himself. So it’s not misquoting Jesus to say the Church is the vine.
It’s Prince Volodymyr of Kyiv Rus’ who was brought to Orthodoxy by the Patriarch of Constantinople. Vladimir is the way the Muscovites spell and pronounce his name. Moscow and the evil Kremlin didn’t exist in 988. The so-called “Vladimir Ikon” of the Theotokos, currently in captivity in Moscow, was actually written in Constantinople and given as a wedding gift to one of the princes of Kyiv, who married a daughter of the Byzantine Emperor. Muscovites have then used this ikon to “bless” many of their genocidal wars on their neighbors. Unfortunately, many Orthodox clergy in the West have never set foot in Ukraine, much less in the Kyiv Caves, and they get all their information about Orthodoxy in Rus’ and Ukraine from “Russkii Mir” “Third Rome” Moscow propagandists/liars. Sad it’s taking a war and so much bloodshed to wake people up.
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I will have to say to anyone looking into Orthodoxy I would say attend services as much as you can. I watched it online for months but seeing it in person was so different and very full! Seeing the Icons, smelling the incense, and being surrounded by the chanters and hearing God's words is a really great way to start. Then start with some good books that introduce you to Orthodoxy.
You will be convinced by the aura but the arguments for orthodoxy lack.
Btw which orthodox are you? Russian or Ukrainian or Ethiopian?
@@koppite9600 I'm part of the Orthodox Church. We don't really have denominations just different "flavors". As for arguments, I don't know what you're trying to say there but I've read so many books about Orthodoxy and the parts that people say are lacking are the parts that don't really need to be explained.
As a westerner, I understand the need to want to know everything and have answers for everything but I like the Mystery part that Orthodoxy doesn't need to provide answers to things that are outside of our scope of understanding.
For some, that's a hard hill to climb and I get it but each person has to make that decision.
@@ricardoarchangel28 in Acts we see Paul go to Jerusalem to have circumcision discussed, how can Orthodox replicate that today? Where would Paul go if he were here today with a problem?
@@koppite9600 I want to say by plane as a joke but the real question is what is there left to discuss that hasn't been discussed in 2000 years of Church history? Its all there by all of those who have come before us.
@@ricardoarchangel28 the answer is the Catholic church because that's where authority is, not the orthodox churches.
I’ve been going to an Orthodox Church for just under 3 months now, I was an unbeliever before. I was a mess after my first Divine Liturgy, it was truly life changing.
Thanks to God! May He continue to guide your steps!
Thank you! I am blessed to have a wonderful Priest and community there who have been amazing to help guide me and begin my catechism.
At my first Divine Liturgy, the first time I heard the choir sing the Trisagion prayer I burst into tears and felt that pain in my heart, but it’s a pain of healing. It’s a feeling hard to explain but it still brings tears to my eyes.
@@imnotbrianGod bless you on your spiritual journey 🙏🏻 all Glory to God
Today I went to Divine Liturgy for the first time, I had tears in my eyes a few times. I’ve talked about you afterwards with the priest. Thank you and may God bless you.
Thanks, as always, for joining us...have a blessed weekend!
Well said by Fr Trenham. Orthodox Christianity isn't just an idea or a theory. It's an entire way of life. God wants you to offer up every part of yourself to be transformed by Him - your intellect, your emotions, your body, your lifestyle, He wants every last part of you. And you're not truly a Christian unless you offer up every part of yourself to God.
"For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian."
St. John Chrysostom
Stay strong brothers! I believe it is not easy to be an Orthodox in USA, in that mess... I am from Serbia, Orthodoxy here was brought about 1180 years ago, and we are Orthodox ever sence... With so many saint kings and queens, saint fathers, but also great passions of our people, i feel so blessed to be Serbian and to walk on this land here, but i also feel that for me it is easier to be an Orthodox in a way, it is not hard to be a flower in a garden, but in a desert?
There is a ROCOR twenty miles from me. Going this Sunday for the first time.
Be careful of the way they package the gospel there. Avoid them if they teach culture war against Teh Decadent West. The Russian Orthodox Church is rife with this false teaching on Holy Russia, and their hierarchs support Putin’s war on Ukraine. Find a church whose priest is not a putinstan.
Beware that ROCOR went back to Moscow and their clergy bless “Russkii Mir” aggression and genocide against Slavic and Baltic neighbors. They supported the schism created by Moscow in regards to Constantinople and the Greek Orthodox in the USA recognizing Kyiv’s right to have a self-ruling Orthodox Church. I would visit ROCOR in SF often until they sold out to the Kremlin. However, recently they are having “buyers remorse” about returning to “the Third Rome.” Look and see if there is an Antiochian Orthodox mission or home worship group in your area.
@@anastunya Wow. First, do you really think ROCOR was better off pre-2007 as a quasi-schismatic group? Them returning to Moscow is only step 1 of undoing the terrible consequences of the 1917 revolution of fracturing the jurisdictions in the diaspora. It's bad enough that we have overlapping jurisdictions of different churches, but overlapping jurisdictions of the same church is just absurd.
Second, "the schism created by Moscow in regards to Constantinople"? As if the Ecumenical Patrairch didn't create the mess himself by doing an uncanonical act that no other churches except for the greek ones recognized, and possibly because of money, like in the case of Alexandria.
Finally, they don't support genocide. That's ridiculous.
You just don't like them because they aren't GOARCH/Fordhamite liberals. And I say that as someone who deeply disagrees with their schismatic spirit, their takes on rebaptism of those received via chrismation, and who thinks that they should be abolished and fully absorbed by the MP.
@@anastunya well there are priests of good conscience in all jurisdictions though ROCOR is headed by Russkii mir fanatics, some parishes might be fairly normal. But on the other hand you can also find fanatics in all jurisdictions. Matthew Hodges formerly of the OCA Midwest was at Capitol Hill insurrection, was suspended by Abp. Paul but now active in Abp. Michael’s NY Diocese...
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 nope. Brandon still in Command. Stop.
Welcome!
Good stuff as always!
Thank you.
Been looking forward to this!
You are always a pleasure to hear, Fthr Trenham, and this message is no exception.
One concern I have had is the misquote of Jesus by the Orthodoxy that the Church is the vine, when according to Jesus, HE is the vine, while the Church is his body.
I don't question the importance of the Church, its liturgy, its traditions, or its sacraments, however, the Westernized flavor of Roman Catholicism seeping into the Orthodoxy is troubling.
With direct contradictions to the very words of Christ, I believe we must be bold and correct such errors of doctrine.
God bless you.
You need to understand that the Church is Christ. It’s not just about Him, it’s his mystical Body. The Church isn’t an edifice that presents the Sacraments, it is itself Sacrament, the visible presence of Divine reality, the presence of Christ Himself.
So it’s not misquoting Jesus to say the Church is the vine.
This one thing I do know. My life is hidden in Christ and thus a member of His divine body, the Church. ✔️
Lucifer was very intelligent, yet he was damned. - St Louis Bertrand
Any word for Putin during great Lent?
It’s Prince Volodymyr of Kyiv Rus’ who was brought to Orthodoxy by the Patriarch of Constantinople. Vladimir is the way the Muscovites spell and pronounce his name. Moscow and the evil Kremlin didn’t exist in 988. The so-called “Vladimir Ikon” of the Theotokos, currently in captivity in Moscow, was actually written in Constantinople and given as a wedding gift to one of the princes of Kyiv, who married a daughter of the Byzantine Emperor. Muscovites have then used this ikon to “bless” many of their genocidal wars on their neighbors. Unfortunately, many Orthodox clergy in the West have never set foot in Ukraine, much less in the Kyiv Caves, and they get all their information about Orthodoxy in Rus’ and Ukraine from “Russkii Mir” “Third Rome” Moscow propagandists/liars. Sad it’s taking a war and so much bloodshed to wake people up.
It's Kiev, you revisionist!
Kyiv is the mother of Moscow, not the reverse.