► TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 What is Lens Blur? 02:53 Problems with Lens Blur 04:12 Fixing Issues with Lens Blur 07:33 Fixing the Grain 10:35 Refine the Mask 10:59 Exploring the Bokeh 12:43 Working with Hair Brushes 13:15 Non-Human Subjects 14:05 Simple Image Test and Comparison 15:03 Lens Blur - Cons 16:09 Lens Blur - Pros
Been a full time professional photographer for close to 15 years, and something that I've noticed about most photographers/designers is that they forget that the larger a physical print is, the further away the viewer is going to be. Sure, if you zoom way in to 100% the effect probably doesn't look great. But unless you're doing full spreads in art books and magazines, clients literally don't notice 90%+ of the work we do to prep an image for print. For stuff like weddings, family pictures, and seniors, i doubt most clients could tell the difference between this effect and say a 1.4 lens fully open ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I agree most people probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference, especially when looking at the overall picture, but I still think enough people could tell something's off even if they can't tell you why. For that reason I still think all this work is necessary and this feature won't replace a really nice lens any time soon.
Don‘t agree. For me it looks like a sharp foreground mounted on top of a blurred background. So it‘s not some imperfect details the overall very artificial look.
i used this so many times and i always thought that there's something wrong with it. It was the noise!! thank you so much! this will definitely change my workflow
Unmesh, I loved your AdobeMAX session! I begged Adobe to get you as a speaker for this year, and you kicked butt! You covered about ten times as much material as the other speakers by being so prepared in advance. It was really incredible! Thank you for all of your hard work! I will be asking Adobe for much more Unmesh next year!
Very, very helpful. I just joined up. You are a wonderful teacher and appreciate all the editing you put into your videos. Everything is very thorough, concise and action packed.
Great video, I'm not so sure about the results. What might be good to see is a side by side version from in camera (real lens blur) and post production
I have been using this effect in LR for a few trips, I did not bring f1.4 lens, and used only f4-6.3 lens. I tested many portrait conditions to test out what kind of shots that the Ai can do smooth lens blur effect. Then now, for me, there is no need to carry f1.4 lenses anymore for normal light situations. This effect is really a game changer for me, the Ai is much much smarter than in the pass!
This is fascinating tech, but nothing beats the real thing. It’s like using iPhone videos for 4K. They might trick you on Instagram but if you blow it up to anything bigger than your phone screen and you start noticing a bunch of serious artifacts.
@@ChristopherOdd I agree, but I think that’s what separates most amateurs from pros. Sure, IG and TikTok and massive audiences, but I do professional wedding photography and filmmaking and I would never use ai for engagement or wedding shots. You want the authentic cinematic look and even tho AI has come such a long way, I still believe nothing is better than the real thing. I love adobe’s use of AI tho
@@ChristopherOdd fair enough. Maybe not for me for anything I earn money on. But it’s still very impressive and fun to play with. And it’s only going to get better
Interesting perspective. If that were the case why not revert back to original TVA blueprints and plans as opposed to trying outfit the current tva plans on the existing model to account for multiple timeliness that still funnel and power the tva. They are still trying to control chaos as opposed to letting it be for the greater good
This is a very good demo. Unfortunately, mine does not work properly. I adjust the brur amount and the foreground blurs more than background. I click on focal range and subject detect, it doesn't work and no colours show in the focal range bar.
Great tutorial as always, but far too many workarounds for something that should work simply and quickly. I see no reason to abandon or sell my fast lenses anytime soon or ever.
Well obviously not, but not everyone has access to those lenses, and sometimes, even if you own them, you might not have them on your camera for whatever reason. Or perhaps you messed up the settings and accidentally shot at F7. Who knows? It's imperfect for sure, but it's quite cool, and it's only going to get better.
I lost interest in photography when it went digital, but I am getting interested again. Your comment suggests that you can bypass the automatic features of your camera and do manual settings. That is the one thing that frustrates me most about my digital camera. Anything you can tell me about that will help me decide on a better camera.
@@juliensorel5535 Any good DSLR or mirrorless will have a very good manual mode that pretty much works like a film camera. Modern digital viewfinders are also pretty amazing -- you can hardly tell it's digital. The dynamic range of modern sensors has also improved a great deal. Also autofocus -- which you might or might not want -- is something to behold now. Tracking a subjects eye while they're moving quickly.
Good analysis as always, and good solutions to work around the bad masking. I've had my own play with this feature and found it to be very unreliable as of now. The Focal Range does not always correctly analyse an image and there is no way to tell it which objects belong to which depth. We'd need to be able to change the heat image like a normal map for it to be accurate. As of now, this for me is an improved tilt-shift blur.
Yeah, we have been doing it manually since smartphone cameras hit the mainstream. I always drew manually a mask to use as reference for the traditional lens blur effect. What we really needed is for adobe to just give us the tool that creates detects the depthmap. And then we could have taken that and pulled it into lens blur filter.
like with any other adjustment, this might save your day to ever so SLIGHTLY blur the background, but digital blur doesnt beat the real thing :) also lets not forget shooting in low light, when that 1.4 saves your day (or night)
I think it's important to make sure the newly created bokeh isn't out of control from what would be the normal focal point or it could look weird. I do see the creative side of making a photo pop in 3D.
All well explained and demonstrated as usual Unmesh. You are the bar when in comes to teaching cutting-edge PS skills. But to the (mildly) professional eye it really falls short. In many aspects I must say. I really hope this is not what those learning the craft and art of photography come to expect and deliver to clients. It simply doesn't look real at nearly any resolution. That aside, I could literally afford to buy a 1.4 lens in the time it would take me to process 2 to 3 portrait sessions with the precision you demonstrate here. And yet with PS the results would still look ... well ... fake.
Hi Unmesh, great video I was thinking my windows computer was playing up, think adobe perhaps should have worked on the freezing issue using the blur tool first before a release....Thank again. Colin Devon UK....
I so rarely add comments. Firstly I''m not a professional photographer nor a professional editor and do this mostly as a hobby for myself and to throw some work up on Insta for fun. As far as the Lens Blur feature, I'm feeling it's a little gimmicky...almost like Adobe is reaching low. There really isn't anything with Lens Blur that I haven't been able to replicate with the Tilt Shift filter for images that are shot straight on, and for those shot like the example at 11:00 in the video a combination of Tilt Shift and Field Blur filters. MOST IMPORTANTLY, at least for me, was the technique of separating the subject and background into separate layers, something I've been doing for a long time (thanks for that technique Unmesh!). If you are looking for a quick time saving thing that isn't going to count to you...maybe this is a good filter. But good technique and patience is going to you further than "click an go", and this filter feels a little "click and go" gimmicky to me. BTW...a final technique point. Technique is important to "in camera" work, and I think is critical. I know skilled editors (and sometimes even guys like me) can replicate an 85mm f/1.2 accurately, but really, isn't it better to do it right in camera for the best and most natural results? Unmesh...big fan here...thanks!
I've been scratching my head for last few releases of PS but couldn't figure out something, then I thought if there's one person who could help me locate the process (if there IS even a way to do this), it'd be you. So here's what I am trying to figure out, "is there any way to add backlight (like sunlight hitting your hair or back) to a photo in the newest release of PS or LR?"
Thanks for the video. You help us so much to achieve the look we want with your detailed how to lessons. Great work and love your channel. Sean 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hello, Sir 💗, I watched your all videos and super excited to start working on Photoshop but I don't have the Photoshop, can you provide me , the setup files of this software...
Very interesting and impressive, but PS has a very long way to go before it is able to realistically reproduce bokeh/lens blur. It's pretty easy (for now!) to spot a fake vs a real version.
99% of people viewing images on screens or mobile phones wont know. Its only those of us who are photographers and boffins who will be looking for it. Also its not meant to replace lenses, its simply another filter that might be of assistance. I work as an advertising photographer and have already used this for a job I did this week. I was photographing bedroom linen for a company and we had a room set with my lighting set up to work for a number of shots, all needing to look the same way to fit a range that needed to look similar. At the last minute the client wanted detail images with short depth of field images, details of the pillow with the duvet fading out of focus. I would have had to change all my light power settings etc to do this which would have been a pain given the time constraints of the job. This filter enabled me to be able to give them the effect they wanted without having to change lighting power to and fro. The detail photos are for packaging and appear only about 5cm by 7cm on the packaging, printed on light gloss card. Nobody will know.
It is easier to blur and renoise if you use blur gallery of Photoshop with field blur .there you can blur and renoise in one step. And it is more realistic than just using Photoshops add noise, because you can adjust the grain and its density as well.
I would rather be the best photographer I can be, and use photoshop to tweak a few things or use it to create fantasy art. I'm not giving up my lenses, lol...
It's a cool option, and may be usable in the future, but it does feel kinda off to me, so maybe one day I will throw out my camera and do everything in post... oh wait I won't xD
Hi Unmesh, always very nice watching your video. But what result to expect if I want to use the focus pen somewhere it was blurred or badly focused during the shoot?? Can AI bring this back to (partially) focus? Thank you, Alex.
until pro cameras include LIDAR to capture distance information along with each image, this lens blur effect will always lag behind the real deal. Mind you, this works perfectly fine for 80% of most people's work. And let's be honest, most people view your output on a small screen anyway.
It’s a great feature, but does it let more light hit the sensor thereby allowing for lower iso or faster shutter speeds? No… so therefore it’s not really a replacement for fast lenses.
Great stream, as always... but by you showed flaws are done in the 'early access' (beta) of course it need some perfection, but showed by you Adobe probable makes more perfection to it..., Bye
does anyone has the same issue as mine, after applying blur the image size reduced quite a bit from the original image size? if so, does anyone know how to fix it?
Agreed...also it doesn't need to be as good, it.only needs to be good enough for the viewer to love it. Non photographers can't tell the difference if this is used appropriately.
It can be aesthetically beautiful but it falls short of respect due. I’m planning a shoot with my wife and daughter at the beach that can be easily photoshopped instead, but that won’t have a story and memory and it will lack any authenticity. I would respect it less than the in camera outcome, even if it fails.
► TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 What is Lens Blur?
02:53 Problems with Lens Blur
04:12 Fixing Issues with Lens Blur
07:33 Fixing the Grain
10:35 Refine the Mask
10:59 Exploring the Bokeh
12:43 Working with Hair Brushes
13:15 Non-Human Subjects
14:05 Simple Image Test and Comparison
15:03 Lens Blur - Cons
16:09 Lens Blur - Pros
that last 10 sec hindi was a gem
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Been a full time professional photographer for close to 15 years, and something that I've noticed about most photographers/designers is that they forget that the larger a physical print is, the further away the viewer is going to be. Sure, if you zoom way in to 100% the effect probably doesn't look great. But unless you're doing full spreads in art books and magazines, clients literally don't notice 90%+ of the work we do to prep an image for print.
For stuff like weddings, family pictures, and seniors, i doubt most clients could tell the difference between this effect and say a 1.4 lens fully open ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I agree most people probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference, especially when looking at the overall picture, but I still think enough people could tell something's off even if they can't tell you why. For that reason I still think all this work is necessary and this feature won't replace a really nice lens any time soon.
I always say that our obsessions with getting the little details right is not to impress our clients, but to impress other photographers.
This won't make a kit lens look like a pro lens.
@@jimtincher7357 Cool story, but doesn't really have anything to do with what I said
Don‘t agree. For me it looks like a sharp foreground mounted on top of a blurred background. So it‘s not some imperfect details the overall very artificial look.
i used this so many times and i always thought that there's something wrong with it. It was the noise!! thank you so much! this will definitely change my workflow
Unmesh, I loved your AdobeMAX session! I begged Adobe to get you as a speaker for this year, and you kicked butt! You covered about ten times as much material as the other speakers by being so prepared in advance. It was really incredible! Thank you for all of your hard work! I will be asking Adobe for much more Unmesh next year!
watching Unmesh for years now, and he is one of the million youtubers that shares his knowledge for free! One of the best ! all out support!
I started my Photoshope journey one month ago and you've been a great teacher so I want to thank you for sharing all these great information.
Very, very helpful. I just joined up. You are a wonderful teacher and appreciate all the editing you put into your videos. Everything is very thorough, concise and action packed.
Thank you for the detailed lesson! I used this feature in the camera RAW, but not so thoroughly! Thanks again for the lesson!
Awesome explanation and solutions we'll need to use with it right now!
Great video, I'm not so sure about the results. What might be good to see is a side by side version from in camera (real lens blur) and post production
I have been using this effect in LR for a few trips, I did not bring f1.4 lens, and used only f4-6.3 lens. I tested many portrait conditions to test out what kind of shots that the Ai can do smooth lens blur effect. Then now, for me, there is no need to carry f1.4 lenses anymore for normal light situations. This effect is really a game changer for me, the Ai is much much smarter than in the pass!
Your videos are all great! Every single one I've watched was great!
Absolutely wonderful info,my windows 10 desktop hangs while using lens blur , it happens every time 😱
I love this guy, he really is such a brilliant and gifted man.
This is fascinating tech, but nothing beats the real thing. It’s like using iPhone videos for 4K. They might trick you on Instagram but if you blow it up to anything bigger than your phone screen and you start noticing a bunch of serious artifacts.
Very true, but more and more these days almost ALL images ARE viewed just on your phone screen.
@@ChristopherOdd I agree, but I think that’s what separates most amateurs from pros. Sure, IG and TikTok and massive audiences, but I do professional wedding photography and filmmaking and I would never use ai for engagement or wedding shots. You want the authentic cinematic look and even tho AI has come such a long way, I still believe nothing is better than the real thing.
I love adobe’s use of AI tho
@@TimmyVlogz 💯. You’re not the target audience I don’t think.
For now.
@@ChristopherOdd fair enough. Maybe not for me for anything I earn money on. But it’s still very impressive and fun to play with. And it’s only going to get better
Interesting perspective. If that were the case why not revert back to original TVA blueprints and plans as opposed to trying outfit the current tva plans on the existing model to account for multiple timeliness that still funnel and power the tva. They are still trying to control chaos as opposed to letting it be for the greater good
As always, great tutorial!
The best photoshop channel ever
I can't help but think about how great that would be for after effects
This is a very good demo. Unfortunately, mine does not work properly. I adjust the brur amount and the foreground blurs more than background. I click on focal range and subject detect, it doesn't work and no colours show in the focal range bar.
16:36 love it. Such a clean image, so that swear was hilarious
17:06 sir, ye kya tha 🤣❤️
Great tutorial as always, but far too many workarounds for something that should work simply and quickly. I see no reason to abandon or sell my fast lenses anytime soon or ever.
Well obviously not, but not everyone has access to those lenses, and sometimes, even if you own them, you might not have them on your camera for whatever reason. Or perhaps you messed up the settings and accidentally shot at F7. Who knows?
It's imperfect for sure, but it's quite cool, and it's only going to get better.
I lost interest in photography when it went digital, but I am getting interested again. Your comment suggests that you can bypass the automatic features of your camera and do manual settings. That is the one thing that frustrates me most about my digital camera. Anything you can tell me about that will help me decide on a better camera.
@@juliensorel5535 Any good DSLR or mirrorless will have a very good manual mode that pretty much works like a film camera. Modern digital viewfinders are also pretty amazing -- you can hardly tell it's digital. The dynamic range of modern sensors has also improved a great deal.
Also autofocus -- which you might or might not want -- is something to behold now. Tracking a subjects eye while they're moving quickly.
@@HypherNet Thanks a lot. I am getting excited. My camera is about 8-10 years old. I can't wait to start looking for a new one.
Good analysis as always, and good solutions to work around the bad masking. I've had my own play with this feature and found it to be very unreliable as of now. The Focal Range does not always correctly analyse an image and there is no way to tell it which objects belong to which depth. We'd need to be able to change the heat image like a normal map for it to be accurate. As of now, this for me is an improved tilt-shift blur.
Yeah, we have been doing it manually since smartphone cameras hit the mainstream. I always drew manually a mask to use as reference for the traditional lens blur effect. What we really needed is for adobe to just give us the tool that creates detects the depthmap. And then we could have taken that and pulled it into lens blur filter.
Bro, this comes so handy to me. I will be able to still create professional quality photos using your technique. Thanks, bro.
would like to see a difference between this and luminar neos version
like with any other adjustment, this might save your day to ever so SLIGHTLY blur the background, but digital blur doesnt beat the real thing :) also lets not forget shooting in low light, when that 1.4 saves your day (or night)
I think it's important to make sure the newly created bokeh isn't out of control from what would be the normal focal point or it could look weird. I do see the creative side of making a photo pop in 3D.
Superb insights and explanation. Thank you.
All well explained and demonstrated as usual Unmesh. You are the bar when in comes to teaching cutting-edge PS skills. But to the (mildly) professional eye it really falls short. In many aspects I must say. I really hope this is not what those learning the craft and art of photography come to expect and deliver to clients. It simply doesn't look real at nearly any resolution. That aside, I could literally afford to buy a 1.4 lens in the time it would take me to process 2 to 3 portrait sessions with the precision you demonstrate here. And yet with PS the results would still look ... well ... fake.
What about using the "denoise" option for the subject in lightroom classic?
You are a legend! Thank you for all your wonderful content, you have earned a lifetime plugin customer!
as always, a very good and useful video
Great tutorial! Thank you!!
Hi Unmesh, great video I was thinking my windows computer was playing up, think adobe perhaps should have worked on the freezing issue using the blur tool first before a release....Thank again. Colin Devon UK....
My favorite and best channel
Prime lens blur and super zoom lens blur are still best
Just after I ordered a ttartisan 100mm f2.8 lens!
Very helpful, thanks!
I so rarely add comments. Firstly I''m not a professional photographer nor a professional editor and do this mostly as a hobby for myself and to throw some work up on Insta for fun. As far as the Lens Blur feature, I'm feeling it's a little gimmicky...almost like Adobe is reaching low. There really isn't anything with Lens Blur that I haven't been able to replicate with the Tilt Shift filter for images that are shot straight on, and for those shot like the example at 11:00 in the video a combination of Tilt Shift and Field Blur filters. MOST IMPORTANTLY, at least for me, was the technique of separating the subject and background into separate layers, something I've been doing for a long time (thanks for that technique Unmesh!). If you are looking for a quick time saving thing that isn't going to count to you...maybe this is a good filter. But good technique and patience is going to you further than "click an go", and this filter feels a little "click and go" gimmicky to me.
BTW...a final technique point. Technique is important to "in camera" work, and I think is critical. I know skilled editors (and sometimes even guys like me) can replicate an 85mm f/1.2 accurately, but really, isn't it better to do it right in camera for the best and most natural results?
Unmesh...big fan here...thanks!
gotta hate the Mac switch but whatever, keep it up
I've been scratching my head for last few releases of PS but couldn't figure out something, then I thought if there's one person who could help me locate the process (if there IS even a way to do this), it'd be you.
So here's what I am trying to figure out, "is there any way to add backlight (like sunlight hitting your hair or back) to a photo in the newest release of PS or LR?"
Hair has ALWAYS been a problem with this type of thing (masking, selecting, etc.). Yes, they should add a noise filter to the blur.
Can you please help (a tutorial) on making graphics, such as feather, wings, fire etc
Thanks for the video. You help us so much to achieve the look we want with your detailed how to lessons. Great work and love your channel. Sean 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hello, Sir 💗,
I watched your all videos and super excited to start working on Photoshop but I don't have the Photoshop, can you provide me , the setup files of this software...
Is there a difference between the Neural Filter Depth Blur and Lens Blur, or they are the same?
Its really healpful man
Very interesting and impressive, but PS has a very long way to go before it is able to realistically reproduce bokeh/lens blur. It's pretty easy (for now!) to spot a fake vs a real version.
99% of people viewing images on screens or mobile phones wont know. Its only those of us who are photographers and boffins who will be looking for it. Also its not meant to replace lenses, its simply another filter that might be of assistance. I work as an advertising photographer and have already used this for a job I did this week. I was photographing bedroom linen for a company and we had a room set with my lighting set up to work for a number of shots, all needing to look the same way to fit a range that needed to look similar. At the last minute the client wanted detail images with short depth of field images, details of the pillow with the duvet fading out of focus. I would have had to change all my light power settings etc to do this which would have been a pain given the time constraints of the job. This filter enabled me to be able to give them the effect they wanted without having to change lighting power to and fro. The detail photos are for packaging and appear only about 5cm by 7cm on the packaging, printed on light gloss card. Nobody will know.
It is easier to blur and renoise if you use blur gallery of Photoshop with field blur .there you can blur and renoise in one step. And it is more realistic than just using Photoshops add noise, because you can adjust the grain and its density as well.
Verry Infomative....
Adobe should build an option for adding noise/grain into the lens blur module.
I hope Adobe will make the new version of the opposite: Smart Sharpen but with new and improve.
I loved this video! I learned so much and I needed this soooooo much! ❤
A nice feature to improve some shots...but PRO LENSES still is the best choice ! :D nice try! thank you!
Sir please tell about your video editing. Because I really loved your colorful light leaks text animation in your video
Nothing will beat the natural blur of a good wide aperture lens.
So amazing 😍
That blur is magic, you do not have to spend thousands of dollars on expensive cameras and lenses, just wonderful.
I guess this is first tutorial on a mac!😀
Interesting, thanks for the info. As an aside, you command to Alexa at the end of the video activated my Alexa... ☺
What if the image have the depth data, will it be perfect?
I always try to remove the grain from my photo's. why add grain? or am I doing something wrong?
Hi I am using photoshop 25.0 version but I dont have lens blur option in camera raw can someone help me plz
I would rather be the best photographer I can be, and use photoshop to tweak a few things or use it to create fantasy art. I'm not giving up my lenses, lol...
i have a question. new photoshop deleted reduce shake photo feature. is there any way to do it??? so sad they got rid of it!!!
Hey paach minute 😂❤
It's a cool option, and may be usable in the future, but it does feel kinda off to me, so maybe one day I will throw out my camera and do everything in post... oh wait I won't xD
The best place to learn new things ps
Can I use this feature in Beta version?
Sir which photoshop has lens blur in camera raw
amazing :)
lens blur sometimes cannot work when background is cluttered for me.
Nice turtle!
Hi Unmesh, always very nice watching your video.
But what result to expect if I want to use the focus pen somewhere it was blurred or badly focused during the shoot?? Can AI bring this back to (partially) focus?
Thank you, Alex.
No it can't
I tried it out in Lightroom, it's not great. Definitely looks artificial and has some rough edges that look weird
Thank you Adobe photoshop, who needs expensive lenses these days with this
can ps 2019 use raw 16.0 camera
until pro cameras include LIDAR to capture distance information along with each image, this lens blur effect will always lag behind the real deal. Mind you, this works perfectly fine for 80% of most people's work. And let's be honest, most people view your output on a small screen anyway.
It’s a great feature, but does it let more light hit the sensor thereby allowing for lower iso or faster shutter speeds? No… so therefore it’s not really a replacement for fast lenses.
As much as Photoshop is a professional tool Adobe seems to be focused (no pun intended) on a lot of consumer/social effects and tools.
Pretty curious feature, but still - none postprocessing can compare to the bokeh and blur of real expensive prime lenses. Sorry, Adobe 🙃
17:06 5 minute alexa stop Nice one
nice feature
Great stream, as always... but by you showed flaws are done in the 'early access' (beta) of course it need some perfection, but showed by you Adobe probable makes more perfection to it..., Bye
I have 2024 Photoshop version but can't find this lens blur in camera raw filter.can anyone...
😢 which version of photoshop ??
Sorry, but at 17:11, the spelling of Patreon is incorrect.
Lenny: "That's my blur, give it back..."
Photography competitions left the chat 🤣🤣🤣
but we need it too especially videos
really
😊😊😊😊
does anyone has the same issue as mine, after applying blur the image size reduced quite a bit from the original image size? if so, does anyone know how to fix it?
Lens blur is artistic
PS effect still looks like a cheap trick.
Hope it will not ruin the wonderful original aesthetics of quality lenses!
not sure how I feel about this
Just like focos application
the methode works the same with the filter lensblur, so the camera raw feature is not neccessary.
Guys, I'm a noob, tell me which version of the RAW camera I should download for this function to appear?
And is it free?
2:10 SONG NAME? PLZ>3
people can say all they want about it, but this tool is a wonderful options for those who dont have a "high end" lens with an f stop of like 1.4 !
Agreed...also it doesn't need to be as good, it.only needs to be good enough for the viewer to love it. Non photographers can't tell the difference if this is used appropriately.
It can be aesthetically beautiful but it falls short of respect due.
I’m planning a shoot with my wife and daughter at the beach that can be easily photoshopped instead, but that won’t have a story and memory and it will lack any authenticity. I would respect it less than the in camera outcome, even if it fails.