Ken, thanks for putting this together. As my wife and I are slogging through Cynthia’s Holy Trinity book. This was helpful. I find the rope metaphor, particularly helpful myself. As a fourth arising that rope, then gets woven into another rope, creating higher and higher levels of complexity and order in a deChardin process.
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. You have to go through the wardrobe (ego) to get to Narnia. Jesus said drop your clothes and I don't mean physical!
The trinity is only a CONVENTIONAL doctrine, INVENTED by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. Jesus had NO IDEA of what a "triune God" is supposed to be and - four gospels long - stated HE IS WITH THE FATHER ONLY. This of course directly tells you that NO TRIUNE God exists. You can see in the gospels that Jesus NEVER states to be BOTH 1. with the Father AND 2. the Holy Spirit (or 1. with the Father AND 2. the Comforter). In other words the "Holy Spirit" - who comes from the Father and dwells in Jesus - appears not to be WORTHY to be SEPARATELY MENTIONED by Jesus. This would never happen when He were a third divine Person who is DISTINCT from the Father!!! Therefore the Holy Spirit must on the contrary be a Person who is NOT DISTINCT from the Father...somehow be "a part of the SAME Father". This is why there's no need to separately mention the Holy Spirit: Jesus simply states to be WITH THE FATHER, in all his forms. That is what actually happens. Further, the gospels even disclose who is the "Holy Spirit": He is "God (the Father) who is A SPIRIT" (Jn. 4:23,24). As stated by Jesus, the Holy Spirit (God who is a spirit) comes from the Father. This means that in Mt. 28:19 the "Holy Spirit" is the "Father who is a spirit" whereas the "Father" is the Father who is NOT a spirit, i.e. He is the "normal" God who is not here - nobody ever saw Him - and sends the "Holy Spirit" here. But the Holy Spirit is not a Person different from the Father. If you need some more evidence that the trinity doctrine is false, there are also clear passages that are INCOMPATIBLE with it "But, of the day and the hour, no man knows, no, not the angels in heaven OR THE SON, but the FATHER ONLY knows." (Mt. 24:36). That verse clearly SPECIFIES that neither the Son nor the ALLEGED third divine person know the future. The trinity doctrine states the opposite: Son and third divine person are CO-OMNISCIENT. Well, Jesus is perfectly right whilst the trinity doctrine states falsehood. Also here you can see that NO THIRD DIVINE PERSON exists: " No man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.". A private matter between Father and Son, TWO divine Persons.
You have done a brilliant job of describing the darkness of existence The third force is the what saves us and that third force is love P.s none of religious scriptures are literal , in the real sense Before you make theological involvement you first have to properly hear the very first lesson There are Sheep, Wolves and Shepard's, and only the Shepard's know the code that reveals the narrative Which means the Sheep and the Wolves interpret literally and learn nothing A book of double entendre worthy of Bob Dylan :) "watch out kid, they keep it all hid"
@@KevinMannix-sf5zk In my comment there is no "literal" interpretation of the gospels: THE WHOLE FOUR GOSPEL DISCLOSURE gives information that Jesus is ONLY with THE FATHER !!!!!! They disclose only ONE "Father - Son" relationship, not three! Jesus had NO IDEA of what a trinity could be. Jesus never claims that God is triune, Jesus never claims that there is a divine third person, Jesus never claims to have a SECOND divine (triune) RELATIONSHIP besides that ONE with the Father. That SECOND relationship is INEXISTENT (read the gospels) because there is no such divine THIRD person. No trinity can exist because completely OUTSIDE and CONTRARY to the Jesus' teachings (Jesus teaches that He is with the Father only, that only the Father knows the Son (rather than having two divine persons knowing Him)....No "hidden code", just falsehood and arrogance when ignoring Jesus' teachings to create an arbitrary religious cult!
@@claudiozanella256 When you are born you have three signals in your skull, The separating signal and the unifying signal , And the third signal is you, the bag of meat, Now most 3 brained humans grow with the 3 signals, until the age of 7, But some of us lose the signal from Mum, before the age of 7, This leaves the middle signal pulled towards the separating signal , By design, Mummy loves you we use the words father and son, at this point to discuss the matter in "CLoTHed :) language" And P.S. learn to give it a break
@@KevinMannix-sf5zk I hundred per cent demostrated that no trinity exists because the superwitness - Jesus - has no idea of what a trinity is supposed to be. But you don't give a damn about the truth. OK...
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Doesn't the number 3 in world mythology always represent the same thing? Triumph over the season of death? Based on the sacred promise Mother Nature demonstrates to all who incarnate in her world. Winter is her season of death which lasts 3 months. And is always... always... always... followed by the season of life. Known as Spring. Which is also 3 months long. And is the season of rebirth and reconstitution and resurrection. Didn't dying and rising Deities all arise out of the Agricultural period which emerged out of the Hunter Gatherer period which preceded it. And don't dying and rising Gods symbolize the annual death and resurrection cycle of Mother Nature. Which consists of 12 sacred lunar cycles. And in which the season of death is always, always, always, followed by the season of life. Also every month the moon dies for 3 days... and then is reborn anew as a sacred new moon. This is why dying and rising gods are entombed for 3 days... before they resurrect. This is why Hermes Trismegistus was known as... "The Thrice Great." As he was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Just like Jesus The Christ... sometime later. This is what the 3 Mithraic wise men represent. And this is all the Christian Trinity actually symbolizes. It isn't about the individual literary personas but rather the sacred underlying mythological promise of the number 3. Which is what most parental deity religions are selling. Entrance into Studio 54... for only the best people. Certainly the 3 Abrahamic religions do just this. They are selling a solution to the season of death. Which is what the sacred promise of the number 3 symbolizes. And is exactly what so many human beings seem to desire so much. That they are willing to pay for something which they already possess. Just as Mother Nature guarantees. With her sacred new moon. And her sacred season of Spring. The time of rebirth.💙
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I’ve just listened to Cynthia’s book on audible. This, with the diagrams has really helped me grasp it much better. Thanks so much.
Thank you kind sir , much appreciated
GRACIAS kEN, AMEN!!!!!!!
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Ken, thanks for putting this together. As my wife and I are slogging through Cynthia’s Holy Trinity book. This was helpful. I find the rope metaphor, particularly helpful myself. As a fourth arising that rope, then gets woven into another rope, creating higher and higher levels of complexity and order in a deChardin process.
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
You have to go through the wardrobe (ego) to get to Narnia. Jesus said drop your clothes and I don't mean physical!
Matthew 28:18-20
It's a mystery. Beyond your "humble" intellect or a few scribbled lines on TH-cam.
Be gone heretic.
The only way to salvation...
The trinity is only a CONVENTIONAL doctrine, INVENTED by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. Jesus had NO IDEA of what a "triune God" is supposed to be and - four gospels long - stated HE IS WITH THE FATHER ONLY. This of course directly tells you that NO TRIUNE God exists.
You can see in the gospels that Jesus NEVER states to be BOTH 1. with the Father AND 2. the Holy Spirit (or 1. with the Father AND 2. the Comforter). In other words the "Holy Spirit" - who comes from the Father and dwells in Jesus - appears not to be WORTHY to be SEPARATELY MENTIONED by Jesus. This would never happen when He were a third divine Person who is DISTINCT from the Father!!! Therefore the Holy Spirit must on the contrary be a Person who is NOT DISTINCT from the Father...somehow be "a part of the SAME Father".
This is why there's no need to separately mention the Holy Spirit: Jesus simply states to be WITH THE FATHER, in all his forms. That is what actually happens. Further, the gospels even disclose who is the "Holy Spirit": He is "God (the Father) who is A SPIRIT" (Jn. 4:23,24). As stated by Jesus, the Holy Spirit (God who is a spirit) comes from the Father. This means that in Mt. 28:19 the "Holy Spirit" is the "Father who is a spirit" whereas the "Father" is the Father who is NOT a spirit, i.e. He is the "normal" God who is not here - nobody ever saw Him - and sends the "Holy Spirit" here. But the Holy Spirit is not a Person different from the Father.
If you need some more evidence that the trinity doctrine is false, there are also clear passages that are INCOMPATIBLE with it "But, of the day and the hour, no man knows, no, not the angels in heaven OR THE SON, but the FATHER ONLY knows." (Mt. 24:36). That verse clearly SPECIFIES that neither the Son nor the ALLEGED third divine person know the future. The trinity doctrine states the opposite: Son and third divine person are CO-OMNISCIENT. Well, Jesus is perfectly right whilst the trinity doctrine states falsehood. Also here you can see that NO THIRD DIVINE PERSON exists: " No man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.". A private matter between Father and Son, TWO divine Persons.
You have done a brilliant job of describing the darkness of existence
The third force is the what saves us and that third force is love
P.s none of religious scriptures are literal , in the real sense
Before you make theological involvement you first have to properly hear the very first lesson
There are Sheep, Wolves and Shepard's, and only the Shepard's know the code that reveals the narrative
Which means the Sheep and the Wolves interpret literally and learn nothing
A book of double entendre worthy of Bob Dylan :)
"watch out kid, they keep it all hid"
@@KevinMannix-sf5zk
In my comment there is no "literal" interpretation of the gospels: THE WHOLE FOUR GOSPEL DISCLOSURE gives information that Jesus is ONLY with THE FATHER !!!!!!
They disclose only ONE "Father - Son" relationship, not three! Jesus had NO IDEA of what a trinity could be. Jesus never claims that God is triune, Jesus never claims that there is a divine third person, Jesus never claims to have a SECOND divine (triune) RELATIONSHIP besides that ONE with the Father. That SECOND relationship is INEXISTENT (read the gospels) because there is no such divine THIRD person. No trinity can exist because completely OUTSIDE and CONTRARY to the Jesus' teachings (Jesus teaches that He is with the Father only, that only the Father knows the Son (rather than having two divine persons knowing Him)....No "hidden code", just falsehood and arrogance when ignoring Jesus' teachings to create an arbitrary religious cult!
@@claudiozanella256 When you are born you have three signals in your skull, The separating signal and the unifying signal , And the third signal is you, the bag of meat, Now most 3 brained humans grow with the 3 signals, until the age of 7,
But some of us lose the signal from Mum, before the age of 7, This leaves the middle signal pulled towards the separating signal , By design, Mummy loves you
we use the words father and son, at this point to discuss the matter in "CLoTHed :) language"
And P.S. learn to give it a break
@@KevinMannix-sf5zk
I hundred per cent demostrated that no trinity exists because the superwitness - Jesus - has no idea of what a trinity is supposed to be. But you don't give a damn about the truth. OK...
Doesn't the number 3 in world mythology always represent the same thing? Triumph over the season of death? Based on the sacred promise Mother Nature demonstrates to all who incarnate in her world. Winter is her season of death which lasts 3 months. And is always... always... always... followed by the season of life. Known as Spring. Which is also 3 months long. And is the season of rebirth and reconstitution and resurrection.
Didn't dying and rising Deities all arise out of the Agricultural period which emerged out of the Hunter Gatherer period which preceded it. And don't dying and rising Gods symbolize the annual death and resurrection cycle of Mother Nature. Which consists of 12 sacred lunar cycles. And in which the season of death is always, always, always, followed by the season of life.
Also every month the moon dies for 3 days... and then is reborn anew as a sacred new moon. This is why dying and rising gods are entombed for 3 days... before they resurrect. This is why Hermes Trismegistus was known as... "The Thrice Great." As he was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Just like Jesus The Christ... sometime later.
This is what the 3 Mithraic wise men represent. And this is all the Christian Trinity actually symbolizes. It isn't about the individual literary personas but rather the sacred underlying mythological promise of the number 3. Which is what most parental deity religions are selling. Entrance into Studio 54... for only the best people. Certainly the 3 Abrahamic religions do just this.
They are selling a solution to the season of death. Which is what the sacred promise of the number 3 symbolizes. And is exactly what so many human beings seem to desire so much. That they are willing to pay for something which they already possess. Just as Mother Nature guarantees. With her sacred new moon. And her sacred season of Spring. The time of rebirth.💙