I believe the i3-10100 performs similar to the i5-8400, so it's no surprise that the better i3-12100 beats in it every category. All solid CPUs for the right price.
6c/6t at 180 dollars cpu in 2017 was not a joke in late 2017. I5 8400 and his brothers may struggle today in some newer games, but still they can hold their own in the majority. The i3 12100f is a hell of a little cpu, 4c/8t only but with good clocks and very good ipc, also the upgrade path is solid(up to i9 14900k) and the power consumption low. Anyway good work as always RGHD!
The 8400 was stomping the contemporary 4C8T and Ryzen1 on launch for a banger of a price. The 12100 is impressive.. Although the 12400 is better 😉 However Ryzen is now an option too..
@@peterpan408 how did it compare to R2600? I guess the 8400 was or is stronger than it but too much, plus if you did software encoded streaming then the 6 more threads were handy R2600 is like 10-15% stronger compared to first gen, 0,2 GHZ increase, so it brough improvements across the table though the 0,2 ghz increasement is the smallest my story is that I had a faulty from the factory I5 8400, then wanted to get the I3 8300k , then "luckily" due to financials i needed to wait until R2600 10 months later. Yeah 6 core 12 threads is more worth it, plus I can upgrade to 5600, 5700G to 5800x3d or 5800x though I will get a new cooler before that, GIgabyte ATC 800 air cooler
I've been rocking the 9400 since 2020 and still don't feel any compelling reason to upgrade, mind the fact that you can usually get these 8th & 9th gen for like $30 because they were used for SFF office computers so they are incredible value for someone with a tight budget specially if you're not concerned about playing the latest AAA early access "release" titles.
I'd be shocked to see any companies buying office PCs with hexacore CPUs. All the ones I have used or seen were dual or quad cores. That 8400 was holding up quite well for a 6 year old CPU.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216engineers and such use the i7s or i9s it’s probably just some business getting talked into it or the price meaning the difference between 4 and 6 cores was negligible
@@pouryagolizadeh6100@pouryagolizadeh6100 what are the best CPUs that your motherboard can use? Have a look on auction sites or whatever people use in your country. I'm guessing a quick i7 or i9. Check the core and thread count. Please write back here. It's interesting for us. it 9400 is 6c 6t, 6 core 6 thread, 2.9 GHz to max 4.1 GHz. So look for 8c+, 8t+, higher speed, more L2/L3 cache. See if there's much difference, if it's worth the cost difference. Or you could sell your CPU+Ram+Mobo as a working kit. And buy another faster kit. Rich people upgrade regularly and sell their working kit, so you know you're buying a good combination. And someone else will benefit from your kit. There's TH-cam videos showing how easy it is to uninstall the motherboard drivers, then switch off, change the whole kit, switch back on and your windows install should be working. Just install the new kit drivers.
The i3 seems to hold its own now however in a year or 2 could be upgraded with a i5 13400f when its cheaper/ 2nd hand. That sort of upgrade is like a new pc.
Yup, I've been using a 12100F since 2022 late February or so and its been a solid experience for my use case. Mainly single player games and some casual MMOs/ARPGs that tend to be rather single core/IPC reliant and is the main reason why I bought it. Lost Ark to be exact but I don't play that game anymore/it was a massive upgrade in that game vs my old R5 1600x and since my mobo at the time had no support for Zen 3 I've sold the entire platform and switched to Intel. 'that and Zen 3 was way too overpriced at the time for my budget' I'm considering an upgrade to a second hand 13400F or a 14400F sometime next year but currently I'm fine with the 12100. 'Paired with a 3060 Ti and a 75 Hz 2560x1080 Ultrawide monitor'
I love to have this video as reference for hardware arguments. Because I can buy an i5 8400 with an entire computer around it (as a refurbished office computer with atx power supply) for the same amount of money you can buy that quad core i3 and a mother board for it. Also pairing the i5 8400 with an 2060 super or an RX 6600 is match made in heaven.
Ha glad to see someone else using running New Atlantis as their Starfield benchmark! Your numbers from that run also make me feel a ton better about the numbers I got for an upcoming video lol
I was randomly making this comparison a couple days ago, interesting to see my go-to reviewer for older stuff to review this, hope to see more from you (btw I love my 12100F, its amazing for an i3)
the q6600 was the cheaper and more commonly adopted choice for that LGA. similar to how the i7 920 was the sweet spot for overclocking on x58@@lucasrem
Nice comparison video. I had an i5 8400 system for awhile. Bought it as a work machine during the pandemic. Recently traded it for a Ryzen 5 1600 AF which I built my current system around. Could not be happier. The timing was also right since my main rig at the time with an X79 Sandybridge Xeon was finally starting to give me isssues.
Don't know if it's something you'd be interested in doing but it'd be great if their was a channel that shows how different CPU's affect GPU Performance. Most channels stick he most powerful CPU in and see how a GPU performs with no potential constraints. I recently Bought a 4070 to replace my 1080. I don't see any performance difference with my 7700k to TH-camrs testing with the latest tech. Might be an extra stutter here and their but nothing worth spending hundreds to fix. It'd be amazing to see "how low can you go" kinds of videos that help people work out cheap(ish/est), effective builds.
Tom's Hardware used to have a GPU hierarchy performance table that was so useful for this. You could look for your card, see how much one was a few generations better, and decide if it was worth it. For some reason they've stopped doing it. I'm guessing GPU manufacturers and sellers didn't like it. Gamers Nexus have great videos but they don't have that data in an easy to use format.
I do think a 8700k would be a more interesting comparison, because of the hyper threading. The i5 8600 already loses some battles to a 7700k due to having fewer threads, and clearly a 12100f beats a 7700k. But a 8700k or even a 10400f would be interesting to see how a new architecture fairs against an old one even with fewer threads AND cores. A 9700k would actually be really interesting as the thread count is the same but obviously cores > threads. However is a 12100f so much more powerful in single core that it could close the gap to a 8c/8t 9700k?
Yeah, I want to see the 9700 8c/8t versus the 12100, 12400. To see where the crossover is, and then see which is the best bargain. Would be cool to have a spreadsheet of CPU and price and performance.
@@rentojad The problem with these reviews is they mostly have the 8700k clocked to 4.3GHz while the 9700k clocks to 4.6GHz across all cores, which is why the 8700k almost always loses. Most Z370 and Z390 boards support a function called MCE, which will clock all cores of the 8700k to 4.7Ghz... but at a higher VCore. If you take both up to 4.7Ghz, the performance of the 9700k and 8700k is within margin of error. For that matter, either will easily overclock to 4.9Ghz or higher. I can get my 8700k to 5.2Ghz with 1.35V VCore.
The Ryzen 3600 and the 10400/F would be interesting additions to these results, especially as you mentioned switching to the 3600 at some point. I built a 10400 system a year or so ago as an emergency low cost stopgap after my main system had a problem (at the time a 6c Ryzen build was more expensive) but was surprised how well it ran, for sheer responsiveness if not for absolute numerical performance, eg. boot to Win10 desktop with a WD SN570 was 3 seconds.
Well thought out choice of graphics card as anything more would be wasted. I am still falling back on older games, even with my 4070ti as the latest "AAA" games are mostly trash.
Given Intel's obsession with 4 cores/8 threaded CPU's before the 8th generation, I'm always curious to see how the fastest 4 cores hold up these days (it's like an alternate timeline in my mind😂). Thank you for your entertaining videos.🙏🏻 Could you also comapre the i7 8700 with the i3 12100/12300 paired with a newer GPU? (like the RTX 4070 or RX 7700XT)
For a fast quad core setup the i7-7700K would also be interesting. The i3-12100F tops out at 4.3 GHz single core and 4.1 GHz all core load, but the 7700K can quite often be oc'ed to 5 GHz (some even got them to 5.2), how much does the architecture improvements do to balance out the lower clock.
Man, Cyberpunk with low crowd density looks like the PS4 version with slightly more pixels and polygons. The game should be experienced with high crowds.
I'm still using my 9600k which has 6 cores and 6 threads and It's still holding up well (at least for the games I play), I overclocked it to 4.9Ghz as well which can really help give an extra boost in performance in these older chips
i love comparisons like this. Like you said, not so much from a standpoint of which one is better, but to also see how the old hardware stacks up. And man the 8400 really does seem like it launched forever ago. really cool to see how aged hardware is still viable today and how entry level i3's have become what old school, top of the line i7s were.
I also bought an I3 12100F 1.5 years ago. It was actually intended as a short time CPU, but it does very well in games. Paired with a Vega 56 a great system.
I bought an i3 12100 about 16 months ago at a time when I was buying the parts for a new PC cos my 6-year-old one got toast and I wasn't finding any more new parts. Anyway, I upgraded it about six months ago with an i7 13700k (in four installments) to can play Elden Ring and other newer games requiring a six physical cores CPU at least, and the difference it's huge even if we are speaking about the Windows 11 startup. With the i3 12100, I had to wait for one minute at least after I got finally logged in, to open an app (CPU used at 100%), whilst with the 17 13700k less than 5 seconds. Paired with an Asus TUF Gaming 3600 Ti OC it runs the newest games smoothly and swiftly.
@@artmanrom no games "require" 6 core cpu. Elden ring runs exactly same on 12100f(4core/8t) as it does on 12400f(6core/12t) locked at 60hz. You will see less than 20% difference between the 12100f/12400f in gaming application. 12100f is completely fine with 3060ti and 13700k is definitely a big overkill with 3060ti. well, it's a good futureproofing I guess.
Great video bro! And next time plz compare RPCS3 performance of both these cpus! I wonder and want to see how a 6c6t one (6 real cores) performs in ps3 emulation vs a newer & stronger one but with only 4c8t (4 real cores).
Great video, in my experience quad cores a not bad, but they tend to age way worst. I like to leave a suggestion, use the act 3 of Baldurs Gate to test CPUs, is so intensive that my 5700x struggles.
It's quite interesting how older CPUs nowadays hold up very well. My main gaming PC has a i7 9700k which is now also like 5 years old and I don't see me changing it in the next at least 5 years.
Running the i5 9400f with a 2060 since 2019 and it is starting to show its age. Though I mostly do my AAA gaming on my PS5 with my PC running Apex Legends and Forza Horizon 5
I have a 4790k @ 4.8Ghz with a 5700 xt @ 2100, 2133 CL9 Memory and at 1440p. CP2077 is the newest game I run so I can only compare to that benchmark which I got 60ish FPS in last time I played with mixed medium+ settings (about 6-9 Months ago, before newer updates). I'm probably going to run this CPU for another Year, this CPU has been the best PC investment I've ever made! There are benchmark videos that answer your question. They are surprisingly close in gaming benchmarks! Of course the newer CPU wins though.
Especially when the old i7 is overclocked. That is something you would do if you're running one. Comparing it to a new stock chip (with upgrading headroom) seems like a reasonable thought. And maybe not just Haswell but also Sandy or Ivy Bridge.
Good video. I have an i5 8600 6c/6t CPU and it still runs very well with most of the games I have. But I play No Man's Sky a lot and that's where I've noticed that sometimes the CPU goes to 100% and stutters a couple of times. I have 16GB RAM, a 1TB SSD and a Radeon RX 6650 XT. That's why I want to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5700x.
I got an i5 8400 for free back in january and I'm very happy with it, huge upgrade vs my old i5 2310! but finding a mobo is an absolute pain, I had to travel to the next province just to get an ASUS Prime H310M for $35. I wanted to go for B365 but for some reason they cost the same as a brand new B450 board🤣
I was supposed to purchased the I3 12100f but decided to go with ryzen 5 5600g because it was cheaper and they said that it is much easier to upgrade. Good thing i listened to them. Still need to save some money to buy a new GPU for full satisfaction of my current build. (still using my gtx 1050 lol)
Keep in mind that all "13" series CPUs lower than a 13600k do _not_ have the larger caches of the higher-end Raptor Lake CPUs, thus making them little more than a small speed-bump compared to Alder Lake CPUs. The 14th gen did shuffle some SKUs a bit by adding more e-cores to the i7 line, but little else.
Back in mid 2018 I got a deal on an Asus Z370-A, and decided on the i5-8400. I went to Fry's in the US but they didn't have it in stock. So I checked online and found the i5-8600k on sale so I went with that instead.
That goes a bit back to the i7-980X (6 core, 12 thread) vs i5-2500K (4 core, 4 thread, but much higher IPC) or i7-8700K (6 core, 12 thread) vs i7-9700K (8 core, 8 thread) situation. I would expect the 6 cores to perform well when 6 threads are used, but the 4 core with SMT to lead with narrower tasks. And then there are the Ryzen 5800, 5900 and 5950, where the 5900 tends to be the weakest. The 5800 has 8 cores on one CCD, the 5900 has 12 cores, with 6 cores on each CCD, and the 5950 has 16 cores, 8 on each CCD. The 5900 does worse in 8 core loads when the high latency between the CCDs hits performance. Both the 580 and 5950 can keep the task on one CCD without the latency penalty. On >8 core tasks the 5900 tends to outpace the 5800 again, because the raw performance of having more cores takes the lead.
what do you think RGHD is an i3 4160 is a good pair to an GTX 750 TI OC (i think asus version)? if its not can you recommend an card to this specs? thanks.
@@QuillAlphaI know I'm not the one who is asked the question, but I would strongly recommend a GTX 1050 TI/ GTX 1650 instead because these too are much newer and have better driver support and they have 4 Gb of VRAM instead of 2. (If you can find a 4 Gb version of GTX 750 TI for cheap, that's fine too. Also, don't worry about a CPU bottleneck; you can always upgrade to an i7 4770k which can keep up with much stronger GPUs.)
I got a i5-8400 with an rx 580 and it still hold up pretty well. But I mostly play from software games on it which aren't too demanding. It even even runs elden ring at 60fps!
Aye, I've had a i 3 4160 back in the days when it was new and I've gamed with that CPU for almost 3 years just fine and now I'm using a 12100F since 2022 February with no real issues to speak of. 'I also had AMD build between these 2 but I sold that' Sure I"m not a high refresh rate gamer '75Hz Ultrawide monitor' and I don't play competitive games but for what I play its perfectly fine and is definitely not a office PC use only CPU like some ppl told me in the past..😅 'paired with a 3060 Ti currently'
Probably a silly question but did you check the 8400 was running at its max clock? For some unknown reason mine only turbos to 3.5Ghz unless I use throttlestop then it goes up to 3.8Ghz no problem. I love how well it still performs after all these years.
yeah I bought an i5 8400 with an aorus h370 mb (with rbg lights) and a thermaltake silent 12 cpu cooler for around 100usd, and I must say it was a really great price for what I've got
I have an FX8320 PC that needs a PSU and storage. I'll eventually get the PC up and running again to give away because I have an i7 8700k PC that replaced it.
Hey brother, I love your videos. I am stuck with an msi trident with an i5 8400, i was able to put the rtx 4060 big upgrade from 1660 and great power consumption. Do you think ill gain much fps boost if i switch out my i5 8400 to an i7 8700/9700? I can make this upgrade for about $120 CAD. worth it or no way from what youv eseen
Im planning to get the i5 9400 paired with rx 580 is it still okay? Or the 8400 is enough, I don't play heavy games like the cp2077 or etc. Just fps games like valorant and cs2 only
can you do a comre video with your 4500 if you still have it? i currently own 1 and want to see the difference in performance compared to other gpus it does ok in most games paired with my 7700xt but im feeling the bottleneck on some games like city skylines
In my opinion I think the 12100 isn't quite as good of value as it's painted to be, am4 is still king in value since you could get a 6c12t cpu (r5 4500, 4600g, 5500, 5600, etc) with similar of better single core and much better multicore performance for cheaper. You could point to the upgrade ability of alder lake but the path isn't that bad on am4 since you could go 5950x or 5800x3d
Time and price fluctuations have worked against the 12100. Many of those CPUs were more expensive during the 12100F's better days compared to now where there are many better value or budget purchases available. Before the 12100F, i3s were often overpriced or bad value in comparison. It was basically i5 or better under any cost cutting circumstances. This CPU's price/performance and strong single thread rating (mostly the 12100F over the 12100 unless you really wanted that iGPU) changed that stigma.
you should try to do a comparison between a ryzen 3 3300x and i3 12100. I think the ryzen 3 3300x is a very underrated cpu which has the same gaming performance of a ryzen 5 3600 in some games
Is there a particular reason for using r20 instead of r23? Also I just wrote a comment on the previous video how it'd be fun to compare 8 threads vs 6 cores, that's crazy lol
My 8400 is starting to show signs of dementia, no longer remembering the speeds it's supposed to run at limiting it's clock speed to 3.79ghz under any type of load, and Pairing it with an rx 6400, I see my cpu hit 100% before my gpu in a lot of titles. Download speeds and everything have plummeted so I'm considering upgrading to an i5 12400f whenever I'm able to. I will keep my old build as a probably just a games server because it performs well for Minecraft and a few others. I have 32gb of ram
I wonder how badly the 8400 would crush the AMD 3500X 6 core 6 thread. The 8400 is looking pretty good still! Or even better: 9400 6+6 vs 3500X 6+6 - both from 2019!
Not sure I'd call the 2080 Ti a "budget" card per se(when new, it commanded anywhere from $1000-$1200+ USD in price), but I haven't really looked at used prices on that card. A card with similar performance and memory config is the RX 6700 XT. While it launched at close to $500(inflated by covid, scalping, crypto, shortages) it got down to about 2/3 of that($300-$330 USD) where it sits now. I know that's relatively cheap compared to some cards these days(6800 XT or 7800 XT for around $500, RTX 4070 for around $550, 6950 XT for around $600, 7900 XT and RTX 4070 Ti for around $800, 7900 XTX for almost $1000, RTX 4080 for $1100 and RTX 4090 for over $1600). And there are cheaper cards like the 6700, 7600, 6650 XT, 6600, and RTX 3050(not a great deal compared to what's available from AMD).
6 cores, 12 threads with a single boost of 4.7 and all core boost of 4.3 (stock) at Skylake IPC. I would say it would come close to a Ryzen 3600, depending on the clock you got.
I've had i5 7400 and I was looking for i7 7700k to upgrade. But with the prices of i7 I decided to buy i3 12100f and mobo and sell my old mobo and CPU. In the end it cost me less than buying the old i7 😂
And both cards with both CPUs. To see if upgrading the graphics on the old system works well and if keeping your old GPU when upgrading the rest makes sense.
So previously you made a video on custom amd drivers, i would like to see you redo it but with atlas os and the modified drivers and see if it can revive an old computer
The i5 8400 is still a very decent CPU for mostly single player games and some older online shooters. I had to upgrade though cause the newer online shooters are much more demanding now and the i5 12400 is one fantastic CPU.
Does that include limiting a bigger CPU to 100 W? Limiting a 12900K from 253 W to 100 W will cost you about 20% in performance for 60% less power draw. Factor in the rest of the hardware (motherboard, drives, fans, RAM, etc) and you get maybe 150-200 W for the GPU, which means RTX 3060 or RX 5700 or something in that range
no the maximum limit is 100W without any power limit. and using same cpu and add a gpu that can be sued in a 350W power supply without any limitation. and make sure to tell me about the highest possible components. @@HappyBeezerStudios
Digital Foundry mentioned these CPU videos you do in a DF clip video today. Was nice hearing them saying RandomgaminginHD! They should feel honored.
They've mentioned him a few times before in their previous videos.
Awesome :)
@@pambaboyI never noticed it, weird
What clip?
@@itsTyrion idk, the one used to fill a magazine of a rifle.
In all seriousness, I genuinely dunno.
Bought the 8400 myself back in 2018 and I still use it on my main gaming desktop today. Even the lower-mid-range CPU like this one can last long.
I believe the i3-10100 performs similar to the i5-8400, so it's no surprise that the better i3-12100 beats in it every category. All solid CPUs for the right price.
6c/6t at 180 dollars cpu in 2017 was not a joke in late 2017.
I5 8400 and his brothers may struggle today in some newer games, but still they can hold their own in the majority.
The i3 12100f is a hell of a little cpu, 4c/8t only but with good clocks and very good ipc, also the upgrade path is solid(up to i9 14900k) and the power consumption low.
Anyway good work as always RGHD!
The joke from intel in the days was that they made the 8000 series cpus new socket...
would not be so optimistic with a 14900k considering the MOBO one with a i3 12100f would buy
The 8400 was stomping the contemporary 4C8T and Ryzen1 on launch for a banger of a price.
The 12100 is impressive..
Although the 12400 is better 😉
However Ryzen is now an option too..
@@jilhermethat was an example, but still you can put something better than an i3 12100 with very low effort…
@@peterpan408 how did it compare to R2600? I guess the 8400 was or is stronger than it but too much, plus if you did software encoded streaming then the 6 more threads were handy
R2600 is like 10-15% stronger compared to first gen, 0,2 GHZ increase, so it brough improvements across the table though the 0,2 ghz increasement is the smallest
my story is that I had a faulty from the factory I5 8400, then wanted to get the I3 8300k , then "luckily" due to financials i needed to wait until R2600 10 months later. Yeah 6 core 12 threads is more worth it, plus I can upgrade to 5600, 5700G to 5800x3d or 5800x
though I will get a new cooler before that, GIgabyte ATC 800 air cooler
I've been rocking the 9400 since 2020 and still don't feel any compelling reason to upgrade, mind the fact that you can usually get these 8th & 9th gen for like $30 because they were used for SFF office computers so they are incredible value for someone with a tight budget specially if you're not concerned about playing the latest AAA early access "release" titles.
What would be a good upgrade from this cpu ? I have one too and im looking for an upgrade
I'd be shocked to see any companies buying office PCs with hexacore CPUs. All the ones I have used or seen were dual or quad cores. That 8400 was holding up quite well for a 6 year old CPU.
@@SirReptitious engineers and such probably? Places that use a little more compute power. I'm sure there are businesses that offload them.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216engineers and such use the i7s or i9s it’s probably just some business getting talked into it or the price meaning the difference between 4 and 6 cores was negligible
@@pouryagolizadeh6100@pouryagolizadeh6100 what are the best CPUs that your motherboard can use? Have a look on auction sites or whatever people use in your country.
I'm guessing a quick i7 or i9. Check the core and thread count. Please write back here. It's interesting for us.
it 9400 is 6c 6t, 6 core 6 thread, 2.9 GHz to max 4.1 GHz.
So look for 8c+, 8t+, higher speed, more L2/L3 cache.
See if there's much difference, if it's worth the cost difference.
Or you could sell your CPU+Ram+Mobo as a working kit. And buy another faster kit. Rich people upgrade regularly and sell their working kit, so you know you're buying a good combination. And someone else will benefit from your kit.
There's TH-cam videos showing how easy it is to uninstall the motherboard drivers, then switch off, change the whole kit, switch back on and your windows install should be working. Just install the new kit drivers.
I got the 12100F for $79.99.
Great deal!
Yeah but the price of the motherboard
I got it for 50
@@Tomowsohwiasi whatever slacker
me €94
The i3 seems to hold its own now however in a year or 2 could be upgraded with a i5 13400f when its cheaper/ 2nd hand. That sort of upgrade is like a new pc.
Yup, I've been using a 12100F since 2022 late February or so and its been a solid experience for my use case.
Mainly single player games and some casual MMOs/ARPGs that tend to be rather single core/IPC reliant and is the main reason why I bought it.
Lost Ark to be exact but I don't play that game anymore/it was a massive upgrade in that game vs my old R5 1600x and since my mobo at the time had no support for Zen 3 I've sold the entire platform and switched to Intel. 'that and Zen 3 was way too overpriced at the time for my budget'
I'm considering an upgrade to a second hand 13400F or a 14400F sometime next year but currently I'm fine with the 12100. 'Paired with a 3060 Ti and a 75 Hz 2560x1080 Ultrawide monitor'
Interesting to see that i5 v i3. Todays i3 are rocking. And the old i5 holding up is impressive. Nice test bro!
One of your videos (16 cores for £16) was mentioned on a Digital Foundry video, it was just sooooo cool. Keep it up the good work mate 👍
Awesome, thanks :)
I think a comparision with the 10100 or 10105 would be nice too. I'm using an overclocked 9600K, and still loving it. Long live for older hardware!
I love to have this video as reference for hardware arguments.
Because I can buy an i5 8400 with an entire computer around it (as a refurbished office computer with atx power supply) for the same amount of money you can buy that quad core i3 and a mother board for it.
Also pairing the i5 8400 with an 2060 super or an RX 6600 is match made in heaven.
8400 in an HP office pc and RX 6600 is exactly what I'm using 😂
I would be happy with either setup. Thanks for sharing. Take care. Cheers from the States
again a gem! both most important cpu in a budget oriented build! 6 core vs 4+4 core build!
Ha glad to see someone else using running New Atlantis as their Starfield benchmark!
Your numbers from that run also make me feel a ton better about the numbers I got for an upcoming video lol
Here's a follow
I was randomly making this comparison a couple days ago, interesting to see my go-to reviewer for older stuff to review this, hope to see more from you (btw I love my 12100F, its amazing for an i3)
I have i3 12100f and it is truly a beast of a cpu , one of the greatest 4 core cpus of all time
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best Quad core was the Q9650
should intel release 4 core 6Gh i3 ?
the q6600 was the cheaper and more commonly adopted choice for that LGA. similar to how the i7 920 was the sweet spot for overclocking on x58@@lucasrem
Thanks for this review. Very useful to see how much older 14nm++ cores hold up.
Nice comparison video. I had an i5 8400 system for awhile. Bought it as a work machine during the pandemic. Recently traded it for a Ryzen 5 1600 AF which I built my current system around. Could not be happier.
The timing was also right since my main rig at the time with an X79 Sandybridge Xeon was finally starting to give me isssues.
Don't know if it's something you'd be interested in doing but it'd be great if their was a channel that shows how different CPU's affect GPU Performance. Most channels stick he most powerful CPU in and see how a GPU performs with no potential constraints.
I recently Bought a 4070 to replace my 1080. I don't see any performance difference with my 7700k to TH-camrs testing with the latest tech. Might be an extra stutter here and their but nothing worth spending hundreds to fix. It'd be amazing to see "how low can you go" kinds of videos that help people work out cheap(ish/est), effective builds.
Tom's Hardware used to have a GPU hierarchy performance table that was so useful for this. You could look for your card, see how much one was a few generations better, and decide if it was worth it.
For some reason they've stopped doing it. I'm guessing GPU manufacturers and sellers didn't like it.
Gamers Nexus have great videos but they don't have that data in an easy to use format.
I do think a 8700k would be a more interesting comparison, because of the hyper threading. The i5 8600 already loses some battles to a 7700k due to having fewer threads, and clearly a 12100f beats a 7700k. But a 8700k or even a 10400f would be interesting to see how a new architecture fairs against an old one even with fewer threads AND cores. A 9700k would actually be really interesting as the thread count is the same but obviously cores > threads. However is a 12100f so much more powerful in single core that it could close the gap to a 8c/8t 9700k?
Yeah, I want to see the 9700 8c/8t versus the 12100, 12400. To see where the crossover is, and then see which is the best bargain.
Would be cool to have a spreadsheet of CPU and price and performance.
@@Duuh_Eazy Barely in some cases, but it loses in most games.
@@rentojad The problem with these reviews is they mostly have the 8700k clocked to 4.3GHz while the 9700k clocks to 4.6GHz across all cores, which is why the 8700k almost always loses. Most Z370 and Z390 boards support a function called MCE, which will clock all cores of the 8700k to 4.7Ghz... but at a higher VCore.
If you take both up to 4.7Ghz, the performance of the 9700k and 8700k is within margin of error.
For that matter, either will easily overclock to 4.9Ghz or higher. I can get my 8700k to 5.2Ghz with 1.35V VCore.
@@m8x425 Nope, i just checked a review where both CPUs were at 5.0 GHz, 8700K was faster in 1 game out of 10, and it was 0.4 fps difference.
8700K vs 9700K would be interesting. Same architecture, but one is 8 core / 8 threads and the other 6 core / 12 threads
12100f matches or outperforms my i7-8700, it's absolutely crazy how far we've progressed in these 6 years
The Ryzen 3600 and the 10400/F would be interesting additions to these results, especially as you mentioned switching to the 3600 at some point. I built a 10400 system a year or so ago as an emergency low cost stopgap after my main system had a problem (at the time a 6c Ryzen build was more expensive) but was surprised how well it ran, for sheer responsiveness if not for absolute numerical performance, eg. boot to Win10 desktop with a WD SN570 was 3 seconds.
I’m using an i5 8400 with a 3050 and I can play pretty much everything out rn. It’s a great budget processor imo.
Alan wake 2 at 4k ultra with ray tracing turned on to max?
Pretty much everything means the game that he plays not what YOU play dum dum@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 that’s not what I meant, I meant like I can have playable frame rates on modern titles even though most of my PC is old.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716he said play, not max out. Plus even a maxed out gaming pc cant do those settings at 60fps plus
Well thought out choice of graphics card as anything more would be wasted. I am still falling back on older games, even with my 4070ti as the latest "AAA" games are mostly trash.
Do you recommend still using the i7 6700k or is it completely obsolete and outdated now? Curious to hear your thoughts on that specific CPU.
May struggle in some games, but I’ll try and review it soon :)
it depends™
Ima geting I7 7700 for my couch gaming pc😎
@@emanueltankovic6021don’t, it doesn’t support Windows 11 so it’s useless after 2025 unless u like linux
@@xavalongamesx9535 there is always a tiny11 currently i have i5 6500 runing it.
Given Intel's obsession with 4 cores/8 threaded CPU's before the 8th generation, I'm always curious to see how the fastest 4 cores hold up these days (it's like an alternate timeline in my mind😂).
Thank you for your entertaining videos.🙏🏻
Could you also comapre the i7 8700 with the i3 12100/12300 paired with a newer GPU? (like the RTX 4070 or RX 7700XT)
For a fast quad core setup the i7-7700K would also be interesting. The i3-12100F tops out at 4.3 GHz single core and 4.1 GHz all core load, but the 7700K can quite often be oc'ed to 5 GHz (some even got them to 5.2), how much does the architecture improvements do to balance out the lower clock.
Man, Cyberpunk with low crowd density looks like the PS4 version with slightly more pixels and polygons. The game should be experienced with high crowds.
I'm still using my 9600k which has 6 cores and 6 threads and It's still holding up well (at least for the games I play), I overclocked it to 4.9Ghz as well which can really help give an extra boost in performance in these older chips
ProTroy_Not sure if you get more frames,
unable to do any new GPU on it !
Keep doing these comparison please, they are very informative and interesting to watch!
Interesting video idea (if not done already) would be comparing the various i3 CPUs over time with the newer ones
i love comparisons like this. Like you said, not so much from a standpoint of which one is better, but to also see how the old hardware stacks up. And man the 8400 really does seem like it launched forever ago. really cool to see how aged hardware is still viable today and how entry level i3's have become what old school, top of the line i7s were.
I also bought an I3 12100F 1.5 years ago. It was actually intended as a short time CPU, but it does very well in games. Paired with a Vega 56 a great system.
i run 12100f with 3060ti and at 1440p 3060ti is the bottleneck 98 percent of the games that i play. really good gaming cpu.
I bought an i3 12100 about 16 months ago at a time when I was buying the parts for a new PC cos my 6-year-old one got toast and I wasn't finding any more new parts. Anyway, I upgraded it about six months ago with an i7 13700k (in four installments) to can play Elden Ring and other newer games requiring a six physical cores CPU at least, and the difference it's huge even if we are speaking about the Windows 11 startup. With the i3 12100, I had to wait for one minute at least after I got finally logged in, to open an app (CPU used at 100%), whilst with the 17 13700k less than 5 seconds. Paired with an Asus TUF Gaming 3600 Ti OC it runs the newest games smoothly and swiftly.
@@artmanrom no games "require" 6 core cpu. Elden ring runs exactly same on 12100f(4core/8t) as it does on 12400f(6core/12t) locked at 60hz. You will see less than 20% difference between the 12100f/12400f in gaming application. 12100f is completely fine with 3060ti and 13700k is definitely a big overkill with 3060ti. well, it's a good futureproofing I guess.
@@AlmondPOP Elden ring does not even launch on a 4-core CPU. It's a huge open-world game that needs a tremendous amount of computing power.
Great video bro!
And next time plz compare RPCS3 performance of both these cpus! I wonder and want to see how a 6c6t one (6 real cores) performs in ps3 emulation vs a newer & stronger one but with only 4c8t (4 real cores).
Not bad, that 8th gen i5 is still hanging on in there!
Great video, in my experience quad cores a not bad, but they tend to age way worst. I like to leave a suggestion, use the act 3 of Baldurs Gate to test CPUs, is so intensive that my 5700x struggles.
Yes, 4 cores CPUs are now like the 2 cores vs the 4 cores. 8 cores CPUs are the way to go now.
not if u dont like overbloated new AAA games.
I think it would have been interesting to see the cpus power consumption too, its probably much lower as well
It's quite interesting how older CPUs nowadays hold up very well. My main gaming PC has a i7 9700k which is now also like 5 years old and I don't see me changing it in the next at least 5 years.
I have one too. No hyper threading but its still solid 💪
I still use a i5-8400 to this day! great gpu and igpu for most tasks
Running the i5 9400f with a 2060 since 2019 and it is starting to show its age. Though I mostly do my AAA gaming on my PS5 with my PC running Apex Legends and Forza Horizon 5
I have an overclocked 4790k and it’s still pretty powerful even though it was released in 2014. My base speed is 4.7 GHz and a turbo of 5.5 GHz.
Like to see i7-4790 vs i3-12100F, quadcore vs quadcore, see how the older haswell holds up 👍
I have a 4790k @ 4.8Ghz with a 5700 xt @ 2100, 2133 CL9 Memory and at 1440p. CP2077 is the newest game I run so I can only compare to that benchmark which I got 60ish FPS in last time I played with mixed medium+ settings (about 6-9 Months ago, before newer updates). I'm probably going to run this CPU for another Year, this CPU has been the best PC investment I've ever made!
There are benchmark videos that answer your question. They are surprisingly close in gaming benchmarks! Of course the newer CPU wins though.
Yeah sounds interesting :)
Especially when the old i7 is overclocked. That is something you would do if you're running one. Comparing it to a new stock chip (with upgrading headroom) seems like a reasonable thought.
And maybe not just Haswell but also Sandy or Ivy Bridge.
Love the vid, and also the image of a i3-12100f with that chonky Noctua is just hilarious.
Do you have Ryzen 5 2600X? Would like to see a comparison with this i5
Good video. I have an i5 8600 6c/6t CPU and it still runs very well with most of the games I have. But I play No Man's Sky a lot and that's where I've noticed that sometimes the CPU goes to 100% and stutters a couple of times. I have 16GB RAM, a 1TB SSD and a Radeon RX 6650 XT. That's why I want to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5700x.
i have similar build just that cpu is i5 8500 and gpu is 6600 non xt
8500 is good for Fortnite/cs2/fivem?it pefroms good in games 8500?@@irfok727
I got an i5 8400 for free back in january and I'm very happy with it, huge upgrade vs my old i5 2310!
but finding a mobo is an absolute pain, I had to travel to the next province just to get an ASUS Prime H310M for $35.
I wanted to go for B365 but for some reason they cost the same as a brand new B450 board🤣
the 8400 served me well for two years. Even went from a 1070 to a 3070z. Replaced it last december with a 5800x.
I was supposed to purchased the I3 12100f but decided to go with ryzen 5 5600g because it was cheaper and they said that it is much easier to upgrade. Good thing i listened to them.
Still need to save some money to buy a new GPU for full satisfaction of my current build. (still using my gtx 1050 lol)
Thanks for the vid. When I was the i3 won in both single and multi core I though it was going to be a blowout for the i5 but it held up quite well.
Oh snap a comparison video, I better go get some snacks for this one.
Keep in mind that all "13" series CPUs lower than a 13600k do _not_ have the larger caches of the higher-end Raptor Lake CPUs, thus making them little more than a small speed-bump compared to Alder Lake CPUs. The 14th gen did shuffle some SKUs a bit by adding more e-cores to the i7 line, but little else.
Back in mid 2018 I got a deal on an Asus Z370-A, and decided on the i5-8400. I went to Fry's in the US but they didn't have it in stock. So I checked online and found the i5-8600k on sale so I went with that instead.
That goes a bit back to the i7-980X (6 core, 12 thread) vs i5-2500K (4 core, 4 thread, but much higher IPC) or i7-8700K (6 core, 12 thread) vs i7-9700K (8 core, 8 thread) situation.
I would expect the 6 cores to perform well when 6 threads are used, but the 4 core with SMT to lead with narrower tasks.
And then there are the Ryzen 5800, 5900 and 5950, where the 5900 tends to be the weakest. The 5800 has 8 cores on one CCD, the 5900 has 12 cores, with 6 cores on each CCD, and the 5950 has 16 cores, 8 on each CCD.
The 5900 does worse in 8 core loads when the high latency between the CCDs hits performance. Both the 580 and 5950 can keep the task on one CCD without the latency penalty. On >8 core tasks the 5900 tends to outpace the 5800 again, because the raw performance of having more cores takes the lead.
I'm currently using a i3 12100f paired with a RX 6600 and its honestly a 1080p gaming beast.
With a comparison like this also try running a few other things in the background to see diff between 6 6 and 4 8 configuration
what do you think RGHD is an i3 4160 is a good pair to an GTX 750 TI OC (i think asus version)? if its not can you recommend an card to this specs? thanks.
Yeah will pair just fine. Used to be a popular budget combo a while ago
@@RandomGaminginHD thank you! i didnt belive you reacted on my comment.
@@QuillAlphaI know I'm not the one who is asked the question, but I would strongly recommend a GTX 1050 TI/ GTX 1650 instead because these too are much newer and have better driver support and they have 4 Gb of VRAM instead of 2. (If you can find a 4 Gb version of GTX 750 TI for cheap, that's fine too. Also, don't worry about a CPU bottleneck; you can always upgrade to an i7 4770k which can keep up with much stronger GPUs.)
8th and 9th gens hold up well, considering the mad tech race between AMD and Intel. Still rocking 9700k, probably will wait out 14th gen as well.
This i3 12100F is impressive, thank you for the video!
I got a i5-8400 with an rx 580 and it still hold up pretty well. But I mostly play from software games on it which aren't too demanding. It even even runs elden ring at 60fps!
I used mine 8400 until may this year :D Best cpu ive had.Was paired with 2070
Everyone sees I3 and quad core and assumes it’s a trash cpu. But the 10100f, 12100f, and 13100f are all great cpus for the money.
Aye, I've had a i 3 4160 back in the days when it was new and I've gamed with that CPU for almost 3 years just fine and now I'm using a 12100F since 2022 February with no real issues to speak of. 'I also had AMD build between these 2 but I sold that'
Sure I"m not a high refresh rate gamer '75Hz Ultrawide monitor' and I don't play competitive games but for what I play its perfectly fine and is definitely not a office PC use only CPU like some ppl told me in the past..😅 'paired with a 3060 Ti currently'
I'm using i5-8400 + 1060 6gb since june 2018 and they still get the job done 5½ years later (1080 only)
I bought an i5 8400 and a Z370 mobo in 2018 and later upgraded to an i7 8700. I think the i5 8400 is fine if you have a 2060/3060 or worse.
Probably a silly question but did you check the 8400 was running at its max clock? For some unknown reason mine only turbos to 3.5Ghz unless I use throttlestop then it goes up to 3.8Ghz no problem. I love how well it still performs after all these years.
Hey, what about rust? Ive got a 4060-. Do you think worth upgrading my 8400 to an 8700 or 9700?
yeah I bought an i5 8400 with an aorus h370 mb (with rbg lights) and a thermaltake silent 12 cpu cooler for around 100usd, and I must say it was a really great price for what I've got
I've been rocking an fx 8350 for a few years now and it's going down kicking, can run starfield at 1440p 30-60fps with an rx 6650xt
I have an FX8320 PC that needs a PSU and storage. I'll eventually get the PC up and running again to give away because I have an i7 8700k PC that replaced it.
There is no clouds in the sky in Red Dead Redemption for the I3 test, are you sure the settings are equal?
motherboards on the ground? seriously? have you ever heard about humidity and condensation?
Hey brother, I love your videos. I am stuck with an msi trident with an i5 8400, i was able to put the rtx 4060 big upgrade from 1660 and great power consumption. Do you think ill gain much fps boost if i switch out my i5 8400 to an i7 8700/9700? I can make this upgrade for about $120 CAD. worth it or no way from what youv eseen
Great video good sir!
Glad you liked it!
Im planning to get the i5 9400 paired with rx 580 is it still okay? Or the 8400 is enough, I don't play heavy games like the cp2077 or etc. Just fps games like valorant and cs2 only
wow, i just noticed 516K, i remember 30k in the beginning, nice going.
me sitting here wondering how? did they just disable two cores on the i3. jokes all aside i think this is impressive for the prices for core i3
can you do a comre video with your 4500 if you still have it? i currently own 1 and want to see the difference in performance compared to other gpus it does ok in most games paired with my 7700xt but im feeling the bottleneck on some games like city skylines
In my opinion I think the 12100 isn't quite as good of value as it's painted to be, am4 is still king in value since you could get a 6c12t cpu (r5 4500, 4600g, 5500, 5600, etc) with similar of better single core and much better multicore performance for cheaper. You could point to the upgrade ability of alder lake but the path isn't that bad on am4 since you could go 5950x or 5800x3d
Time and price fluctuations have worked against the 12100. Many of those CPUs were more expensive during the 12100F's better days compared to now where there are many better value or budget purchases available. Before the 12100F, i3s were often overpriced or bad value in comparison. It was basically i5 or better under any cost cutting circumstances. This CPU's price/performance and strong single thread rating (mostly the 12100F over the 12100 unless you really wanted that iGPU) changed that stigma.
I’ve got the exact same motherboard and core i5. Still a great CPU
Interesting comparison. I'd bet the 9600K with an overclock would match the 12100F.
*Again these new i3s are beasts especially when paired with DDR5 and a OC if your on a Z690 board of which you can later just move to a i5 12600k*
You can't OC i3 unless you use a very specific motherboard. MSI Mag max if I'm not mistaken. DDR5 uplift is negligible
@@kenobi639 did not read i know this 😆
Sorry to ask, did your i3 12100f is stock speed or OC ?
I dont think you can overclock it and he would have stated if it was
you should try to do a comparison between a ryzen 3 3300x and i3 12100. I think the ryzen 3 3300x is a very underrated cpu which has the same gaming performance of a ryzen 5 3600 in some games
Sadly it's also a chip that is basically unavailable.
Nice comparison
Is there a particular reason for using r20 instead of r23?
Also I just wrote a comment on the previous video how it'd be fun to compare 8 threads vs 6 cores, that's crazy
lol
Probably because it runs a little quicker.
And for the 6 vs 8 core the i7-8700K and 9700K are a perfect option. They even run on the same board.
My 8400 is starting to show signs of dementia, no longer remembering the speeds it's supposed to run at limiting it's clock speed to 3.79ghz under any type of load, and Pairing it with an rx 6400, I see my cpu hit 100% before my gpu in a lot of titles. Download speeds and everything have plummeted so I'm considering upgrading to an i5 12400f whenever I'm able to. I will keep my old build as a probably just a games server because it performs well for Minecraft and a few others. I have 32gb of ram
Have you tried Ryzen 3 3300x vs a modern quad core yet?
I wonder how badly the 8400 would crush the AMD 3500X 6 core 6 thread. The 8400 is looking pretty good still! Or even better: 9400 6+6 vs 3500X 6+6 - both from 2019!
not planning on upgrading for a while but what would be an ideal pair for a rtx 4070? i have a r7 3800x cpu atm
It's amazing how there is such a difference even with a budget card like the 2080Ti.
Not sure I'd call the 2080 Ti a "budget" card per se(when new, it commanded anywhere from $1000-$1200+ USD in price), but I haven't really looked at used prices on that card.
A card with similar performance and memory config is the RX 6700 XT. While it launched at close to $500(inflated by covid, scalping, crypto, shortages) it got down to about 2/3 of that($300-$330 USD) where it sits now. I know that's relatively cheap compared to some cards these days(6800 XT or 7800 XT for around $500, RTX 4070 for around $550, 6950 XT for around $600, 7900 XT and RTX 4070 Ti for around $800, 7900 XTX for almost $1000, RTX 4080 for $1100 and RTX 4090 for over $1600). And there are cheaper cards like the 6700, 7600, 6650 XT, 6600, and RTX 3050(not a great deal compared to what's available from AMD).
I have an i7 8700k. What would be a good modern chip to compare the 8700k to?
6 cores, 12 threads with a single boost of 4.7 and all core boost of 4.3 (stock) at Skylake IPC. I would say it would come close to a Ryzen 3600, depending on the clock you got.
Can you benchmark R7 3800XT? Is better than 12100f?
Average CPU temp + power consumption?
I got the i3-13100f for 80$, and paired with a rx 5700XT, its really a good combo
Me too but with a 4060ti and Mini itx 😁
I've had i5 7400 and I was looking for i7 7700k to upgrade. But with the prices of i7 I decided to buy i3 12100f and mobo and sell my old mobo and CPU. In the end it cost me less than buying the old i7 😂
I think a great comparison here would be to add the gtx 1070 and rtx 3050 for both to test new vs old pcs
And both cards with both CPUs. To see if upgrading the graphics on the old system works well and if keeping your old GPU when upgrading the rest makes sense.
So previously you made a video on custom amd drivers, i would like to see you redo it but with atlas os and the modified drivers and see if it can revive an old computer
Throw a manually debloated Windows into the round.
The i5 8400 is still a very decent CPU for mostly single player games and some older online shooters. I had to upgrade though cause the newer online shooters are much more demanding now and the i5 12400 is one fantastic CPU.
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soon moving to a 7800x3d the i5 8400 served me well
Thanks AMD for this, we'd be on 4 cores I7 to this day if they didn't release Ryzens
I think the biggest issue of 8400 is lack of HT. It may beat 12100F with HT. It doesn't change that i3 is quite a beast for a quad core!
I have a question. Which cpu is the best performing under100 watt? And best gpu under 300-350w psu with that cpu?
Does that include limiting a bigger CPU to 100 W?
Limiting a 12900K from 253 W to 100 W will cost you about 20% in performance for 60% less power draw.
Factor in the rest of the hardware (motherboard, drives, fans, RAM, etc) and you get maybe 150-200 W for the GPU, which means RTX 3060 or RX 5700 or something in that range
no the maximum limit is 100W without any power limit. and using same cpu and add a gpu that can be sued in a 350W power supply without any limitation. and make sure to tell me about the highest possible components.
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Hey Man, Can I kindly Test rtx 4060 with i3 12100. see if it bottleneck. i have i3 12100 with rtx 2060 super. i am hoping upgrade to 4060 soon
Not surprised by the results but it was interesting nonetheless.