I bought a used pc for ~500 eur that can play everything on high/ultra 1080p (without ray tracing), thats not too bad id say. i5-11400, 6650xt, 16 gb 3200 ddr4, 500 gb nvme m.2 ssd. Even Alan Wake 2 runs at 68 average fps with 720p render res and high preset (excluding the forest scene ofc, i had drops below 40 there). This is good enough for someone whose best gpu was a 750 ti before :D
@@istvanszabo5745 Same here, only a few generations behind on specs. I've built a few in my time - but buying whole units has gotten so much cheaper, and there's a lot of life in the used market, since CPU speeds are plateauing and high-end GPUs have been harder to come by recently. You can get a lot of lifespan out of £200/400EUR.
@@istvanszabo5745Not everything recent will run at high or ultra at 1080p if you want 60fps or more. More like native 1080p medium to high graphics settings.
Such a throwback! I had a similar system back then! I was rocking an i5 8400 with a 1050 Ti, that I later upgraded to a 2070. This brings back so many memories!
Once again Starfield doesn't fail to show how badly optimized it is. 80 fps on RDR2 at Ultra settings and 40 fps lowest settings scaled to below 900p on Starfield. Modern gaming everyone.
That game is a hot mess! There's no way it's just a purely demanding next gen game.... If it is, Then next gen looks like it's gone nowhere! 😂 No but seriously it's one of the worst optimized games I've ever encountered in my years of gaming (I say one of because there's been 1 or 2 total howlers in the past), The fact you need a 4090 just to get a reasonable and stable framerate at 1440 or even 1080p medium settings is beyond hilarious.
at that time i had a i7 4770 with a 1060 6gb and 32gb of ddr3 1866. remember buying the 1060 6gb too replace my 750ti and it was one of the best jumps i ever experienced. i upgraded from a 1060 to a 2080 super and wish i waited. my pc is now a 10700f 32gb of 3600 mhz ram with a 2080 super
@@lucasrem With 8 cores and 16 threads it thrashes the 4770 by a large margin in both SCIPC and MCIPC. It would a night and day difference from the 4770 to the 10700f.
I picked up a similarly-specced unit (i5 9400 / GTX1660) just this year for £185 on the CEX online store, to serve as my main machine for gamedev. It was graded B but it's in near-perfect condition to my eyes. I've not installed many games on it yet, but it's nice to see what similar specs can get you. Thanks for the video :)
Still using my old system with an i7 2600 and 1050ti as a mediacenter pc today. really love the old hardware videos, it really shows how well old cpus and gpus still actually hold up.
@@farmoboy83 Writing this from a 2006 one as well (core 2 duo E6700, 4 Gb of ram, HD 5450, Win Xp on there still, lol), though it's far from my best system, so I'm not sure if it "counts"...
@@HenrySomeone counts. Mine used to run a core2 6400 and was this year upgraded for a core 2 quad i found for 1 eur lol. Now running a hp elitedesk 800 with i7 4790, rx560 16gb ram dd3 ssd 250gb and another with 500gb...can run at 1440x900 (my good old asus vw192) almost every game a d since quit gaming in 2008 and returned now, there are hundreds of "old" game i have to play and frankly, top graphics are not my priority
Nice, I have a spare i3 2100 we sometimes use for media pc on Linux. I recased it recently, was doing 1080P not sure if I'll play with it in the future. Usually hooked it up to the 1080P TV, did x264 better, might just need a handmedown GPU from another machine to do more.
Thanks for testing the 8400! I just picked up a system from a friend with this exact cpu a few days ago! It also has 1050ti which i will probably swap for my 1650 soon. Came without ram so i ordered 32 gigs since i also wanna use it as a workstation. Great to see this cpu can actually pump out decent framerates on new-ish titles.
I remember when you were sent the 1070 and you were so elated when they let you keep it. I think it was your most notable "reviewer sample" up till that point or maybe even the flat out first one.
Great video. I upgraded from an i5 8400 to a Ryzen 5600 (love it and the gains) but I will always have a soft spot for the 8400. It's fast, very easy to cool and the low power consumption is a nice bonus. It is 100% hindered by the lack of hyper-threading these days but depending on your needs it could still be viable.
I still use my i5 8400 HP system, despite only coming with a 75 watt GTX 1050 ti i upgraded to an Asrock RX 6600 which only draws 100 watts stock, only 25 more than the OEM card, i had to get a 6 pin to 8 pin adaptor for the almost useless power supply but it runs flawless and added a whole lot of life to this machine. Newegg sells the RX 6600 here for 175 USD, which is a steal honestly.
Some systems are still holding quite well today. Especially in 1080p and if 60FPS is primary target. I guess GPU rocking at least 6GB VRAM will do ok. I'm still have Ryzen 5 3600 and RX 6600 and everything runs fine. To be clear, didn't try Starfield. Yet.
The Northwood core P4 3.06 Ghz had a 533Mhz FSB. It was the last product of that line and had HT which none of the other P4s at the time had. It wasn't until the Northwood refresh that we saw the first 800Mhz FSBs. Then Prescott brought LGA 775(Prescott came in socket 478 as well but was weak in the socket compared to the Northwood cores).
@@Trick-Framed you are right sir. I just googled it because I was shure it was averdised with 800 FSB and it is in the name, but infact it only had 533Mhz. Do you know why it was in the name?
Last year I've built a low budget pc for my little brother, I was budget limited, with 350€. I managed to snatch a 1660ti, i5-8400, 16gb ram (2666mhz unfortunately), 1tb ssd. Probably not at the same level of the gtx 1070, but it's a solid pc, especially in term of power consumption. I love it
Generally speaking, the 1660 Ti performs a bit better than a 1070, unless it runs out of vram in a newer game. Then its 6GB may lose out to the 1070's 8GB.
I'm rocking that Ryzen 3600, and an RX6600 to go with it. I went up to 16 gig as well last Xmas, felt like the upgrade. Getting good frames off of Spider-Man, been playing the KEX remasters of Quake 1 and 2, pretty fun stuff.
Was using an i7-3770k coupled with a GTX 670 until August 2021, now i'm using a Ryzen 9 5900X with an RTX 3080 Ti. And it was a night and day difference.
CS2 should be tested with shadows set to high or ultra, in the new game lighting gives away positions a lot and those shadows just don't render on medium or lower.
They should have the option to have enemy shadows with low resolution or any other optimisation cause not having those shadows puts a player at a severe disadvantage.
still a good system! But an overclockable CPU would be defenitely usefull btw this old MSI design is still one of my faovorte custom designs ever made! It was exceptionally good, looked dope with those heatpipes, was quiet as hell and cooler then most other designs while also being relatively cheap. (it also had vram cooling)
Fascinating! I'm currently running a 1070 FE with a Ryzen 7 1700 (Overclocked, of course.) and while sometimes I get questionable results, it's still holding up rather well! Running the MW III campaign on it seems rather smooth at the current moment. Great video, mate! Have a good one. :)
Love your videos, searched for gtx 1070 and found this, also have an I5 9400F and 16gb of ram, almost the same setup, bought it for a good price, still holds up great 😊✅❤️
I got this setup in 2017. Was awesome for the time. Played the hell out of GTA V and Skyrim in 4k. I upgraded the 1070 for a 2080 so I could get fallout 4 in 4k60. I had the MSI 1070 aero. It was a blower card. The setup was in a fractal design silent pc type tower. I also used the stock cpu cooler. Ran warm as hell. CPU ran in the 80s under load, and the gpu got close to 90 too. I replaced this pc late last year. But I kept this setup for a backup pc. I replaced the tower with a phanteks airflow case (maybe the 300a?). I also replaced the cpu cooler with a cooler master 212. I was really surprised by the change in temperatures! The cpu stays in the 60s, under load. The gpu, though, gets into the 70s but that's better than almost 90! If some of you have similar hardware, I recommend doing something similar if you have the spare dough.
Im still rocking my 2013 Alienware x51 r2 with an i5 4440 and a 270 2gb and its still chugging along for all my gaming needs! Great to see older tech keeping up with modern games:)
Finally a normal person's computer. I have what is still in my mind a high-end 4K gaming PC. i5-4690K, 24 gigs of RAM (baller), and a GTX 1080. I don't really play games anyway, but it bothers me to hear people talk about how they're "still" running 8th gen or whatever when I've never had anything close to that new. The newest CPU I've owned, besides the brief moments of me owning a Skylake i5 of some sort before regretting it and returning it, is the Skylake in my school laptop. (graduated in 2019) I accidentally the screen on that a few months back, which sucked because it was a very nice laptop otherwise, but there you are. I do have another laptop, and it's got some sort of i5-4XXX-series (I forget), 8 gigs of RAM, and a GTX 860M 2GB.
I had an original x51. It came with an i5 2320 and a GTX 545. I upgraded to a 660 which would kill the machine when being overloaded with certain games. My first "gaming rig" back in 2012
Cool! I ran a i5-8600 with a new GTX1050 4GB upgraded to a used GTX1060 6GB, upgraded to GTX1070 8GB before getting a i5-12600K with 3060Ti 8GB in 2020 which is still going strong :)
I built an itx pc with a 5600g 32gb RAM and was using an RX580 8GB for a bit, now back to a 1070 I had also purchased. Im going to next get a 1660ti and maybe a 2060. I have a project I'm involved with that is migrating to UE5. Hoping to have something that in a few years would be considered "older" that could be used to benchmark a variety of configurations.
Had a similar configuration between 2019- 2022. R5 3600, GTX 1070 FTW2, 16gb ddr4 3200. I bought the GTX 1070 in late 2018 and the R5 3600 2 days after launch. Upgraded to 48gb ram in maybe late 2021, upgraded to a 6700XT and R7 5700X at the end of 2022 (yikes already been a year). Overall the configuration served me spectacularly and i'd be just fine should I need to downgrade to it. I never played the latest and greatest titles and never really struggled to hit 60fps even at 1440p. It was a good pairing.
i7 9700/1070ti daily user here, very close to the video's build. It's not the newest, bro gamers think it's old an slow but it plays nearly everything in my backlog at high or ultra and is still able to play the newest games at some sort of setting, you have to get creative a bit, the beauty of PC gaming?. I split game time between this and consoles also, I don't spend every free hour I have on it like I did when I was younger.
i had an i7 3770k till with a 1060 6gb march this year, i upgraded to a whole new pc with a 2080 ti and a R9 3900, my friend bought my last pc from me, it's his first pc, and he loves it, he can play all the games he wanted from last generations and some times launch games
Thats a very nice PC. I remember my parents were ass and doomed me to use an I3-5400 with an GTX 450. It couldnt game at all so i played light games like Team Fortress 2 Low Settings, HL2 at Medium and GW1 (not 2 since the pc was never upgraded) at entirely low settings. Now i have an RTX 3090 which i use to play some Team Fortress 2 at Ultra, RTX HL2, and all PvZ games i want. If i ever upgrade ill get the best GPU and CPU for my son. (Current PC is RTX 3090, Ryzen 5 5700x3D, 32 gigs DDR5 6400 mhz and a 512 GB nvme SSD.) I dont need more space since im not an office worker but rather an engineer.
I'm pretty sure that setting the coffee grounds under the refrigerator makes them horizontal to the plane so setting H2S senosor to 25 parts doesn't make watermelons grow from Ford Du ally exhaust packs naturally. Maybe if Bushes offers half priced on their #7 then you might be able to gigabit connectivity to your RV microwave but don't hold me to it.
The RTX 2070(~GTX 1080) and 2070 Super(~1080 Ti or RTX 2080) were both $500 in 2018 and 2019 respectively. Covid didn't hit the fan until early 2020. Thanks, Nvidia(sarcasm).
I just picked up a 1070 ti rogstrix a couple weeks ago, and I am honestly liking it alot better than my 5700xt. The 5700xt for some reason with multiple monitors has a rough time keeping the setting, as well as causeing problems with hdmi and display port cables. Everytime you move one of the monitors they stop working for a bit untill you move them the right way. Now all the same cables are hooked up into the 1070 and i can move the monitor around however which way and im not getting the problem anymore. So far its still playing all the games i play at great fps with hardly any noticible difference from the 5700xt. The 1070 is really a great card to this day.
Starfield and Alan Wake 2 are probably the best example on how well "it holds up in 2023" since these are all games built for the PS5. I don't think anyone is surprised by this combo performing well in a bunch of titles designed for the PS4 since these specs blow it out of the water.
im using a similarly performing system with an i5 9400 and 1660 super which still holds up in newest games. however its starting to struggle with new games like starfield
At that time i had i5 8400 + RX470 4gb ... later changed it for 1600af and additional 2x8gb to total 32gb ram then r5 3600 from aliexpress [ cheaper than used in poland xD ] and then gpu to GTX1080 and CPU to R7 5800x3d to max out my am4 board :D
@@RandomGaminginHD With GTX1080 haven't seen more than 20% utilization in games :P But for now i will stay with gtx1080 until i can get RTX4070 or equivalent performance for less than 500usd and then i may see full potential of that 5800x3D :D
I'm pretty impressed by the 1080p performance this setup can output, but I think this year's crop of games has finally found that limit where the 10 series GTX cards aren't cutting it anymore. Developers seem to be using super-resolution tech _liberally_ just to make their games playable these days, and if modern hardware can barely hold 1080p in some of those titles, this older hardware has no chance.
I love these older builds that, to today's standards, aren't the best builds, but are the builds that are 'good enough.' My first, and current, build is pretty much the same spec, but with a 1660 super. It's also 4 years old running current games at 1440p high with at least 60 fps no problem.
"aging system"... I am still using a 1070 in my main pc :( TBF, it is paired with 24 gigs of ram and a Ryzen 7 1700, but overall the results are as you announced: in most games I have slightly better FPS, and it is more often the GPU that is the limiting factor than the CPU like in this video. I still watched the whole episode and loved it! Keep going :)
Bought a used Aero GTX 1070 for peanuts in late 2019. Gave it to my friend who wanted to build a gaming/music editing PC but was low on funds. He uses it till today and od cery happy with IT.
This is like my current gaming PC, I have a i5 9400F which is exactly the same as the i5 8400 (but no intergrated gfx) as for a GPU I run a 1660 ti and 16GB DDR 4 @ 2666MHz dual channel and a PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe, runing on an AS Rock 365M PRO4 moptherboard. Running at 1080p I can run Badlurs Gate 3 at max settings and average 50 fps (no scaling) with lows of 14fps and 64fps max. TYVM for this review it gives me a comparison!
Just 4 years old, I would say it's still almost up to date, hardware does not age that fast. My main rig has a 3700x, Vega 64 and 32gb ram, runs everything just fine. I don't notice a big difference with my 2nd pc, even in Forza Horizon 5. It has a 4790K @4.7GHz and Vega 56, just upgraded to 32gb ram. It's still too good to replace. :)
I have a very similar system for my nieces and nephews to play on when they come over. Keeps them off my system and will run just about anything they want to play
I´ve recently upgraded to a 5600X on a B550 Gaming Plus and was lucky to also get a black twin tower cooler by DeepCool with aRGB (set to red to colour match my RX 480 Red Devil) for under 63€ while the CL16 3600MHz Fury Renegade fits the cooler by design, the Fury writing looks very close to the Deepcool logo. So overall my pc is black with silver and red acents. Decided on the 5600X instead of the 12400f as originally planed for a simple reason: the 5600X is way better at decompression and most don´t realize how much decompression they´re using. It´s not just drivers (especially GPU drivers are heavily compressed), games also use compressed archives to save space on the servers and have users finish the download quicker: guess why you´re downloading e.g. 105GB but the installed game takes almost 160GB or more? Who has 4TB NVMEs? De- and reinstall is very cummon therefor people should concider decompression performance, the only professional performance I as a gamer actually care about, because it´s needed not just professionally.
OK. You can build a 3060 PC with a 6 core Xeon for $250 in the US right now but sure, an old workstation with the weakest CPU in the series is a much better start🤣🤣
I built a budget rig with an i5-8500 and RX6400 to run linux gaming and i'm loving it. the CPU is severe overkill for low end gpus. And because it has mesh shaders it can do AW2 at a 30fps lock
i5 9400 and evga gtx 1070 my current set up. over all very happy with this. If anything might go i7-8700 and rx 6 series gpu. Not cutting edge but all I need.
Feels good when the cpu and gpu are balanced and don't bottleneck each other. That being said, this i5 really suffers from having only 6 cores. I wonder if 4 core 8 threads config would've done better
i remade my i5 8600 with b360 hd3 gigabyte mobo and 32 GB 2400 mhz ram into home server/media center. Added cheap GTX 1050 2GB and even can play some less demanding games with gamepad. This gen was indeed fun and it still is okay if you add stronger gpu like 1080! Thanks for great vid as always!
Just recently purchased an i5 8400 + mobo + 2x8gb ram combo (140usd) and I coupled it with a GTX1060 and it was worlds better than the i5 4590 I previously had.
I currently game on a similar pc with a gtx 980 Ti, i5 11600 and 16gb ddr4 3600mhz cl16 ram, it's pretty good but i'm planning on upgrading to an rx 6700 xt
I moved on from a GTX1070FTW to a 5700 Pulse which is in my current system that's a X570 + 5600G combo. Works great for me and certainly a worthy successor system to the B450 + Ryzen 2700X I used beforehand. Got my 1070 with a Skylake 6400, a H110M (I believe) and 16GB DDR4-2100 which I built specifically to play in VR back in 2017 when Oculus still came with XBOX Controllers and I was lucky the Vive came as is. Sure these machines won't cut it in upcoming titles anymore but I have a hard time believing that is all that important since it depends on what games one personally plays.
I built a pc with the same cpu and gpu combo and it really stands up as a budget rig. The rig that I will always have fond memories of is the first pc I built for myself, an i7-3960x with a gtx 1080 and 32gb of quad channel ram.
@@TheBcoolGuy Top of the line ? Do you mean my i7-3960x PC. I built it 4-5 years ago and it was in use about a year ago. I bought the CPU, motherboard and ram as a combo 2nd hand. When it came out (10+ years ago) it may have been top of the line but not when I bought it.
Got my hands on a second hand PC with GTX 1070 at 125$ but I upgraded the mobo and pair it with Ryzen 5500, added 16gb of 3600hz ram and a FSP PSU. Overall I spent a 250$ for the upgrade and happy with it.
Upgraded about 2 months ago from an i5 3570 , gtx 750 ti and 16 gb of ddr3 1600mhz ram to a ryzen 5 1600x , gtx 1070 and 16gb of ddr4 3200mhz ram. Really really happy with this pc, and since the r5 is an am4 cpu, i could upgrade in the future to a better cpu, when my budget allows me to lol
I threw my old 1070 and another used 1660 super into two rigs for my kids. One is on an early 4 core hyperthreaded i3, the other is on an old 8 core skylake Xeon I found super cheap. Both rigs play pretty much any "fun" game just fine at 1080p. Fortnite, Minecraft, Fall Guys, Witch It, Roblox, GTA V, Portal 1 and 2, just an absolute glut of old games are good to go and have smooth framerates that more than max out their cheap 75hz monitors. Intel CPUs, so far, have held up much better than their AMD counterparts. If in the fall of 2017 you bought the equivalent AMD Ryzen 1600 CPU instead of the i5-8400, it would be in a much worse place for gaming right now. If you build a budget PC every 6+ years, you'll have more frames at the end of that life cycle with an equivalently-priced Intel build.
@@lucasrem I'm watching one youtube streamer in my country and he still uses I7 - 6700 it's crazy how well it runs. Games where there were problems like Last of Us also run bad on my Ryzen 3600
I pretty much have this exact system, except mine is an 8600K and was a 1080 non ti, so just a small tier up. Just upgraded my GPU to a RX 6700 now i'm really feeling the CPU pain, in particular metro exodus enhanced is bring this aging cpu to its knees. Speaking of metro exodus, the enhanced edition could be a decent game to add to your testing suite for RTX era and newer cards, it has forced ray tracing and seems to be very CPU heavy.
as someone wishing for this build on 2018, i didnt have enough money back then and just built a i3 8100 + 1060 6gb..... now i think my r7 5700 + 6700xt will last me longer
Tldr: the ryzen 3600 was a much smarter buy back then due to the hyperthreading which can help a lot nowadays, not to mention the MUCH better upgrade path (up to 5800x3d), which can be comparable to intel's 12th gen.
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It's great to see older tech still holding up today, especially with newer gpus getting so ridiculous in price.
Yeah definitely :)
I bought a used pc for ~500 eur that can play everything on high/ultra 1080p (without ray tracing), thats not too bad id say. i5-11400, 6650xt, 16 gb 3200 ddr4, 500 gb nvme m.2 ssd. Even Alan Wake 2 runs at 68 average fps with 720p render res and high preset (excluding the forest scene ofc, i had drops below 40 there). This is good enough for someone whose best gpu was a 750 ti before :D
@@istvanszabo57451080p in 2023 is a no thanks gotta do 1440p
@@istvanszabo5745 Same here, only a few generations behind on specs. I've built a few in my time - but buying whole units has gotten so much cheaper, and there's a lot of life in the used market, since CPU speeds are plateauing and high-end GPUs have been harder to come by recently. You can get a lot of lifespan out of £200/400EUR.
@@istvanszabo5745Not everything recent will run at high or ultra at 1080p if you want 60fps or more. More like native 1080p medium to high graphics settings.
Such a throwback! I had a similar system back then! I was rocking an i5 8400 with a 1050 Ti, that I later upgraded to a 2070. This brings back so many memories!
Nice. The 1050Ti is one of my favourites!
Once again Starfield doesn't fail to show how badly optimized it is. 80 fps on RDR2 at Ultra settings and 40 fps lowest settings scaled to below 900p on Starfield. Modern gaming everyone.
That game is a hot mess! There's no way it's just a purely demanding next gen game.... If it is, Then next gen looks like it's gone nowhere! 😂 No but seriously it's one of the worst optimized games I've ever encountered in my years of gaming (I say one of because there's been 1 or 2 total howlers in the past), The fact you need a 4090 just to get a reasonable and stable framerate at 1440 or even 1080p medium settings is beyond hilarious.
I think I'll revisit some of the classics.
If you have to cap your game to 30 fps on current gen consoles, something went terribly wrong in optimization
at that time i had a i7 4770 with a 1060 6gb and 32gb of ddr3 1866. remember buying the 1060 6gb too replace my 750ti and it was one of the best jumps i ever experienced. i upgraded from a 1060 to a 2080 super and wish i waited. my pc is now a 10700f 32gb of 3600 mhz ram with a 2080 super
Nice build :) I had a 750ti for a few years too. One of my favourite cards
You had an 10 year old system, is that 10700 f better ? bootlenecking ?
@@lucasrem With 8 cores and 16 threads it thrashes the 4770 by a large margin in both SCIPC and MCIPC. It would a night and day difference from the 4770 to the 10700f.
I picked up a similarly-specced unit (i5 9400 / GTX1660) just this year for £185 on the CEX online store, to serve as my main machine for gamedev. It was graded B but it's in near-perfect condition to my eyes. I've not installed many games on it yet, but it's nice to see what similar specs can get you. Thanks for the video :)
Sounds like a good deal 👌🏻
1660 is still a very good card in 2023. it even supports Mesh Shaders for Alan Wake 2. Best Budget Card you can get at the moment.
Wow, that is a steal! Making me wish we had CeX here
Still using my old system with an i7 2600 and 1050ti as a mediacenter pc today.
really love the old hardware videos, it really shows how well old cpus and gpus still actually hold up.
lol old, still have my 2006 system with an upgraded 1eur core2quad 8200 and a gt650 8gb ram....
@@farmoboy83 Writing this from a 2006 one as well (core 2 duo E6700, 4 Gb of ram, HD 5450, Win Xp on there still, lol), though it's far from my best system, so I'm not sure if it "counts"...
@@HenrySomeone counts. Mine used to run a core2 6400 and was this year upgraded for a core 2 quad i found for 1 eur lol. Now running a hp elitedesk 800 with i7 4790, rx560 16gb ram dd3 ssd 250gb and another with 500gb...can run at 1440x900 (my good old asus vw192) almost every game a d since quit gaming in 2008 and returned now, there are hundreds of "old" game i have to play and frankly, top graphics are not my priority
Nice, I have a spare i3 2100 we sometimes use for media pc on Linux. I recased it recently, was doing 1080P not sure if I'll play with it in the future. Usually hooked it up to the 1080P TV, did x264 better, might just need a handmedown GPU from another machine to do more.
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Thanks for testing the 8400! I just picked up a system from a friend with this exact cpu a few days ago!
It also has 1050ti which i will probably swap for my 1650 soon. Came without ram so i ordered 32 gigs since i also wanna use it as a workstation. Great to see this cpu can actually pump out decent framerates on new-ish titles.
Yeah it’s still a great CPU. Thanks for watching, and enjoy your new PC :)
I remember when you were sent the 1070 and you were so elated when they let you keep it. I think it was your most notable "reviewer sample" up till that point or maybe even the flat out first one.
Great video. I upgraded from an i5 8400 to a Ryzen 5600 (love it and the gains) but I will always have a soft spot for the 8400. It's fast, very easy to cool and the low power consumption is a nice bonus. It is 100% hindered by the lack of hyper-threading these days but depending on your needs it could still be viable.
It was a great budget CPU and it still has value for older games.
It is just the most powerful of the 'not good enough for modern gaming' CPUs which is neither here nor there.
I still use my i5 8400 HP system, despite only coming with a 75 watt GTX 1050 ti i upgraded to an Asrock RX 6600 which only draws 100 watts stock, only 25 more than the OEM card, i had to get a 6 pin to 8 pin adaptor for the almost useless power supply but it runs flawless and added a whole lot of life to this machine. Newegg sells the RX 6600 here for 175 USD, which is a steal honestly.
Nice upgrade :)
I used to own a 4770K and a 1070. Loved that combo!!!
I can’t believe this is old tech now. I remember when this stuff was the newest and hottest hardware to have.
Some systems are still holding quite well today. Especially in 1080p and if 60FPS is primary target. I guess GPU rocking at least 6GB VRAM will do ok. I'm still have Ryzen 5 3600 and RX 6600 and everything runs fine. To be clear, didn't try Starfield. Yet.
You can always upgrade to a 5700X for a significant performance increase on a low budget.
@@Sunlight91 5600 would be fine, unless you have a need for extra cores.
Man i really appriciate you. I havent needed to watch a video to build a computer in a couple years but when i did i always enjoyed your videos.
Thanks :)
During shortage I was looking for a second hand GPU and wanted a 1070, but prices were insane so finally I opted for a 1660.
I feel you mate! My fav system of all time, was back in the day the last Pentium 4 3,06 Ghz 800 FSB. It was amazing for that time.
I don't think P4 could ever be called "amazing"
The Northwood core P4 3.06 Ghz had a 533Mhz FSB. It was the last product of that line and had HT which none of the other P4s at the time had. It wasn't until the Northwood refresh that we saw the first 800Mhz FSBs. Then Prescott brought LGA 775(Prescott came in socket 478 as well but was weak in the socket compared to the Northwood cores).
@@Trick-Framed you are right sir. I just googled it because I was shure it was averdised with 800 FSB and it is in the name, but infact it only had 533Mhz. Do you know why it was in the name?
@@BigMikeHDD In the name? How so?
It really wasn't, you just lacked perspective.
Last year I've built a low budget pc for my little brother, I was budget limited, with 350€. I managed to snatch a 1660ti, i5-8400, 16gb ram (2666mhz unfortunately), 1tb ssd. Probably not at the same level of the gtx 1070, but it's a solid pc, especially in term of power consumption. I love it
Generally speaking, the 1660 Ti performs a bit better than a 1070, unless it runs out of vram in a newer game. Then its 6GB may lose out to the 1070's 8GB.
I'm rocking that Ryzen 3600, and an RX6600 to go with it. I went up to 16 gig as well last Xmas, felt like the upgrade. Getting good frames off of Spider-Man, been playing the KEX remasters of Quake 1 and 2, pretty fun stuff.
That's around the time I thought it might be proactively good to upgrade to 32GB, lol.
There is something about seeing PCs in a back garden in Kent that speaks to me on a subconscious level. I can’t quite explain it.
Was using an i7-3770k coupled with a GTX 670 until August 2021, now i'm using a Ryzen 9 5900X with an RTX 3080 Ti. And it was a night and day difference.
What a blast to the past, I was already following you when you had the 1070 as a daily driver! My goodness, how time passes…
This was a surprise, never expected that rally that good, was one of the best overall rallyes with nice mix of stages
CS2 should be tested with shadows set to high or ultra, in the new game lighting gives away positions a lot and those shadows just don't render on medium or lower.
Yup correct!
They should have the option to have enemy shadows with low resolution or any other optimisation cause not having those shadows puts a player at a severe disadvantage.
CS2 should just be ignored. I don't want it. It is the game that is convincing me the online shooter is dead in 2023.
@@SomeOldGamers cs2 is quite popular though
still a good system! But an overclockable CPU would be defenitely usefull
btw this old MSI design is still one of my faovorte custom designs ever made! It was exceptionally good, looked dope with those heatpipes, was quiet as hell and cooler then most other designs while also being relatively cheap.
(it also had vram cooling)
Yeah these cards look great
Indeed, MSI's designs for 900 and 1000 series cards were one of the best.
why go for a used oc'able cpu when you could just get a faster used cpu...
Your mid range pc from 4 years ago is still a lot better than my pc
Same here.😁
@@andyflip2858 i feel you bro
@@andyflip2858 i got a gtx 960 4gb😭
Fascinating!
I'm currently running a 1070 FE with a Ryzen 7 1700 (Overclocked, of course.) and while sometimes I get questionable results, it's still holding up rather well! Running the MW III campaign on it seems rather smooth at the current moment.
Great video, mate! Have a good one. :)
Love your videos, searched for gtx 1070 and found this, also have an I5 9400F and 16gb of ram, almost the same setup, bought it for a good price, still holds up great 😊✅❤️
I got this setup in 2017. Was awesome for the time. Played the hell out of GTA V and Skyrim in 4k. I upgraded the 1070 for a 2080 so I could get fallout 4 in 4k60. I had the MSI 1070 aero. It was a blower card. The setup was in a fractal design silent pc type tower. I also used the stock cpu cooler. Ran warm as hell. CPU ran in the 80s under load, and the gpu got close to 90 too. I replaced this pc late last year. But I kept this setup for a backup pc. I replaced the tower with a phanteks airflow case (maybe the 300a?). I also replaced the cpu cooler with a cooler master 212. I was really surprised by the change in temperatures! The cpu stays in the 60s, under load. The gpu, though, gets into the 70s but that's better than almost 90! If some of you have similar hardware, I recommend doing something similar if you have the spare dough.
Steve, it would also be interesting to see the CPU clocks under load since it's a locked CPU with pretty moderate clocks. :)
Im still rocking my 2013 Alienware x51 r2 with an i5 4440 and a 270 2gb and its still chugging along for all my gaming needs! Great to see older tech keeping up with modern games:)
Finally a normal person's computer. I have what is still in my mind a high-end 4K gaming PC. i5-4690K, 24 gigs of RAM (baller), and a GTX 1080. I don't really play games anyway, but it bothers me to hear people talk about how they're "still" running 8th gen or whatever when I've never had anything close to that new. The newest CPU I've owned, besides the brief moments of me owning a Skylake i5 of some sort before regretting it and returning it, is the Skylake in my school laptop. (graduated in 2019) I accidentally the screen on that a few months back, which sucked because it was a very nice laptop otherwise, but there you are. I do have another laptop, and it's got some sort of i5-4XXX-series (I forget), 8 gigs of RAM, and a GTX 860M 2GB.
I had an original x51. It came with an i5 2320 and a GTX 545. I upgraded to a 660 which would kill the machine when being overloaded with certain games. My first "gaming rig" back in 2012
I only just upgraded my 1070 this summer, it's still a great card!
Cool! I ran a i5-8600 with a new GTX1050 4GB upgraded to a used GTX1060 6GB, upgraded to GTX1070 8GB before getting a i5-12600K with 3060Ti 8GB in 2020 which is still going strong :)
I built an itx pc with a 5600g 32gb RAM and was using an RX580 8GB for a bit, now back to a 1070 I had also purchased. Im going to next get a 1660ti and maybe a 2060. I have a project I'm involved with that is migrating to UE5. Hoping to have something that in a few years would be considered "older" that could be used to benchmark a variety of configurations.
Had a similar configuration between 2019- 2022. R5 3600, GTX 1070 FTW2, 16gb ddr4 3200.
I bought the GTX 1070 in late 2018 and the R5 3600 2 days after launch. Upgraded to 48gb ram in maybe late 2021, upgraded to a 6700XT and R7 5700X at the end of 2022 (yikes already been a year). Overall the configuration served me spectacularly and i'd be just fine should I need to downgrade to it. I never played the latest and greatest titles and never really struggled to hit 60fps even at 1440p. It was a good pairing.
That fortnite kill was epic!
I used this exact system for years, only upgraded this year for Starfield. Good components.
i7 9700/1070ti daily user here, very close to the video's build. It's not the newest, bro gamers think it's old an slow but it plays nearly everything in my backlog at high or ultra and is still able to play the newest games at some sort of setting, you have to get creative a bit, the beauty of PC gaming?. I split game time between this and consoles also, I don't spend every free hour I have on it like I did when I was younger.
i had an i7 3770k till with a 1060 6gb march this year, i upgraded to a whole new pc with a 2080 ti and a R9 3900, my friend bought my last pc from me, it's his first pc, and he loves it, he can play all the games he wanted from last generations and some times launch games
Thats a very nice PC. I remember my parents were ass and doomed me to use an I3-5400 with an GTX 450. It couldnt game at all so i played light games like Team Fortress 2 Low Settings, HL2 at Medium and GW1 (not 2 since the pc was never upgraded) at entirely low settings. Now i have an RTX 3090 which i use to play some Team Fortress 2 at Ultra, RTX HL2, and all PvZ games i want. If i ever upgrade ill get the best GPU and CPU for my son. (Current PC is RTX 3090, Ryzen 5 5700x3D, 32 gigs DDR5 6400 mhz and a 512 GB nvme SSD.) I dont need more space since im not an office worker but rather an engineer.
You are good father
I'm pretty sure that setting the coffee grounds under the refrigerator makes them horizontal to the plane so setting H2S senosor to 25 parts doesn't make watermelons grow from Ford Du ally exhaust packs naturally. Maybe if Bushes offers half priced on their #7 then you might be able to gigabit connectivity to your RV microwave but don't hold me to it.
what?
I’ll keep that in mind
I agree
Remember that the 70 series cards used to be budget cards. The pandemic is the worst thing to ever happened to pc gaming.
The RTX 2070(~GTX 1080) and 2070 Super(~1080 Ti or RTX 2080) were both $500 in 2018 and 2019 respectively. Covid didn't hit the fan until early 2020. Thanks, Nvidia(sarcasm).
The 70 series was always mid range not budget. The 60 series is entry level and 50 series is budget.
I just picked up a 1070 ti rogstrix a couple weeks ago, and I am honestly liking it alot better than my 5700xt. The 5700xt for some reason with multiple monitors has a rough time keeping the setting, as well as causeing problems with hdmi and display port cables. Everytime you move one of the monitors they stop working for a bit untill you move them the right way. Now all the same cables are hooked up into the 1070 and i can move the monitor around however which way and im not getting the problem anymore. So far its still playing all the games i play at great fps with hardly any noticible difference from the 5700xt. The 1070 is really a great card to this day.
Your 4 year old mid-range PC is more powerful than my current mid-range PC.
Specs?
Starfield and Alan Wake 2 are probably the best example on how well "it holds up in 2023" since these are all games built for the PS5. I don't think anyone is surprised by this combo performing well in a bunch of titles designed for the PS4 since these specs blow it out of the water.
Nice stuff. Good to see the 1070 still holds up.
im using a similarly performing system with an i5 9400 and 1660 super which still holds up in newest games. however its starting to struggle with new games like starfield
But thats the crap game not the pc. 😅
Don't worry about it, everybody struggles to run Starfield.
At that time i had i5 8400 + RX470 4gb ... later changed it for 1600af and additional 2x8gb to total 32gb ram then r5 3600 from aliexpress [ cheaper than used in poland xD ] and then gpu to GTX1080 and CPU to R7 5800x3d to max out my am4 board :D
Nice :) I definitely plan on getting a 5800x3d some day
@@RandomGaminginHD With GTX1080 haven't seen more than 20% utilization in games :P
But for now i will stay with gtx1080 until i can get RTX4070 or equivalent performance for less than 500usd and then i may see full potential of that 5800x3D :D
still better than what im currently using right now
Just buy a console dude.
@@ZackSNetwork no valorant on console dude
It may not be the fastest, but that gpu design just looks awesome
I'm pretty impressed by the 1080p performance this setup can output, but I think this year's crop of games has finally found that limit where the 10 series GTX cards aren't cutting it anymore. Developers seem to be using super-resolution tech _liberally_ just to make their games playable these days, and if modern hardware can barely hold 1080p in some of those titles, this older hardware has no chance.
I love these older builds that, to today's standards, aren't the best builds, but are the builds that are 'good enough.' My first, and current, build is pretty much the same spec, but with a 1660 super. It's also 4 years old running current games at 1440p high with at least 60 fps no problem.
Old is gold 🥇 i still rock my R5 2600 GTX 1660 and 32GB ram with a slight OC on CPU and GPU 👍👍
"aging system"... I am still using a 1070 in my main pc :( TBF, it is paired with 24 gigs of ram and a Ryzen 7 1700, but overall the results are as you announced: in most games I have slightly better FPS, and it is more often the GPU that is the limiting factor than the CPU like in this video.
I still watched the whole episode and loved it! Keep going :)
Bought a used Aero GTX 1070 for peanuts in late 2019. Gave it to my friend who wanted to build a gaming/music editing PC but was low on funds. He uses it till today and od cery happy with IT.
Awesome. It’s still a solid card :)
this reminded me, i should upgrade my pc
This is like my current gaming PC, I have a i5 9400F which is exactly the same as the i5 8400 (but no intergrated gfx) as for a GPU I run a 1660 ti and 16GB DDR 4 @ 2666MHz dual channel and a PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe, runing on an AS Rock 365M PRO4 moptherboard. Running at 1080p I can run Badlurs Gate 3 at max settings and average 50 fps (no scaling) with lows of 14fps and 64fps max. TYVM for this review it gives me a comparison!
Thank you for another great video Mr. Steve.
you inspired me to use old things.
Old hardware will always have value for old games, retro games and budget indie games.
Just 4 years old, I would say it's still almost up to date, hardware does not age that fast. My main rig has a 3700x, Vega 64 and 32gb ram, runs everything just fine. I don't notice a big difference with my 2nd pc, even in Forza Horizon 5. It has a 4790K @4.7GHz and Vega 56, just upgraded to 32gb ram. It's still too good to replace. :)
i upgraded my 8400 to a 9700F and i'm still rocking the system till this day with an RX 7800 XT
I loved my old 1070 end 8700 combo which I changed a year ago
You do really make content like nobody else man 😁 keep it up, been watching you years
there are more PC builders here
still rocking on E5-1650 V3 (6C12T) and 1080ti and probably will be for next 3/4 years. great setup for 1080p
I have a very similar system for my nieces and nephews to play on when they come over. Keeps them off my system and will run just about anything they want to play
I´ve recently upgraded to a 5600X on a B550 Gaming Plus and was lucky to also get a black twin tower cooler by DeepCool with aRGB (set to red to colour match my RX 480 Red Devil) for under 63€ while the CL16 3600MHz Fury Renegade fits the cooler by design, the Fury writing looks very close to the Deepcool logo. So overall my pc is black with silver and red acents. Decided on the 5600X instead of the 12400f as originally planed for a simple reason: the 5600X is way better at decompression and most don´t realize how much decompression they´re using. It´s not just drivers (especially GPU drivers are heavily compressed), games also use compressed archives to save space on the servers and have users finish the download quicker: guess why you´re downloading e.g. 105GB but the installed game takes almost 160GB or more? Who has 4TB NVMEs? De- and reinstall is very cummon therefor people should concider decompression performance, the only professional performance I as a gamer actually care about, because it´s needed not just professionally.
I just upgraded from i3 8100, gtx 1060 3GB to ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6700 XT 12GB!
Bought an older office PC to turn into my first gaming PC earlier this year and it came with the 8400. Added ram, storage, and an RX 6600.
OK. You can build a 3060 PC with a 6 core Xeon for $250 in the US right now but sure, an old workstation with the weakest CPU in the series is a much better start🤣🤣
I built a budget rig with an i5-8500 and RX6400 to run linux gaming and i'm loving it. the CPU is severe overkill for low end gpus. And because it has mesh shaders it can do AW2 at a 30fps lock
i5 9400 and evga gtx 1070 my current set up. over all very happy with this. If anything might go i7-8700 and rx 6 series gpu. Not cutting edge but all I need.
Feels good when the cpu and gpu are balanced and don't bottleneck each other.
That being said, this i5 really suffers from having only 6 cores. I wonder if 4 core 8 threads config would've done better
FX-8350 that I bought 5 years ago (upgrade from a FX-6300), new Chinese RX580. Runs BG3 and Warthunder just fine.
Nice. I’ll have to revisit the 8350 soon
i remade my i5 8600 with b360 hd3 gigabyte mobo and 32 GB 2400 mhz ram into home server/media center. Added cheap GTX 1050 2GB and even can play some less demanding games with gamepad. This gen was indeed fun and it still is okay if you add stronger gpu like 1080! Thanks for great vid as always!
Just recently purchased an i5 8400 + mobo + 2x8gb ram combo (140usd) and I coupled it with a GTX1060 and it was worlds better than the i5 4590 I previously had.
The 7th and 8th generations are my favorite.
Be good to see this system once again compared with the 3600 in 2023!
Didn't expect 8400 to bottleneck 1070 so much 😮
gtx 1070 is insane. im playing all my games at max with no issues
I currently game on a similar pc with a gtx 980 Ti, i5 11600 and 16gb ddr4 3600mhz cl16 ram, it's pretty good but i'm planning on upgrading to an rx 6700 xt
I moved on from a GTX1070FTW to a 5700 Pulse which is in my current system that's a X570 + 5600G combo.
Works great for me and certainly a worthy successor system to the B450 + Ryzen 2700X I used beforehand.
Got my 1070 with a Skylake 6400, a H110M (I believe) and 16GB DDR4-2100 which I built specifically to play in VR back in 2017 when Oculus still came with XBOX Controllers and I was lucky the Vive came as is.
Sure these machines won't cut it in upcoming titles anymore but I have a hard time believing that is all that important since it depends on what games one personally plays.
I built a pc with the same cpu and gpu combo and it really stands up as a budget rig.
The rig that I will always have fond memories of is the first pc I built for myself, an i7-3960x with a gtx 1080 and 32gb of quad channel ram.
bro what? This is basically top of the line (I know it isn't anymore but shh). How is that some old memory?!
@@TheBcoolGuy Top of the line ? Do you mean my i7-3960x PC. I built it 4-5 years ago and it was in use about a year ago. I bought the CPU, motherboard and ram as a combo 2nd hand. When it came out (10+ years ago) it may have been top of the line but not when I bought it.
The DXVK mod for Alan Wake 2 is supposed to increase framerates on 10 series by around 30%, so it might actually be playable on the old 1070.
wait alan wake 2 doesn't have vulkan support?
Thank you 🙂
Got my hands on a second hand PC with GTX 1070 at 125$ but I upgraded the mobo and pair it with Ryzen 5500, added 16gb of 3600hz ram and a FSP PSU. Overall I spent a 250$ for the upgrade and happy with it.
just upgraded my i5 8th gen to a ryzen 5 7600, legendary generation.
Next: See how your computer from when you joined TH-cam back in 2012 holds up today. :P
Haha yeah that would be fun. I can’t imagine it’s capable of much though
So no eulogy yet for the 10 series which is good to see.
My old one looks quite similar. Doesn't hold up too great (2600 + r9 390) but still works so it's chilling next to my TV.
Upgraded about 2 months ago from an i5 3570 , gtx 750 ti and 16 gb of ddr3 1600mhz ram to a ryzen 5 1600x , gtx 1070 and 16gb of ddr4 3200mhz ram. Really really happy with this pc, and since the r5 is an am4 cpu, i could upgrade in the future to a better cpu, when my budget allows me to lol
It’s faster but, still 7 year old PC.
I threw my old 1070 and another used 1660 super into two rigs for my kids. One is on an early 4 core hyperthreaded i3, the other is on an old 8 core skylake Xeon I found super cheap. Both rigs play pretty much any "fun" game just fine at 1080p. Fortnite, Minecraft, Fall Guys, Witch It, Roblox, GTA V, Portal 1 and 2, just an absolute glut of old games are good to go and have smooth framerates that more than max out their cheap 75hz monitors.
Intel CPUs, so far, have held up much better than their AMD counterparts. If in the fall of 2017 you bought the equivalent AMD Ryzen 1600 CPU instead of the i5-8400, it would be in a much worse place for gaming right now.
If you build a budget PC every 6+ years, you'll have more frames at the end of that life cycle with an equivalently-priced Intel build.
Was running a 2600/1070ti recently and the 1070ti Slaps, the issue heavily is optimisation. Modern games have Devs who make code like Spaghetti!
I7 6700k and a GTX 980 Ti still going strong in my pc.
you should upgrade to X99, DDR 4 system
@@lucasrem I'm watching one youtube streamer in my country and he still uses I7 - 6700 it's crazy how well it runs. Games where there were problems like Last of Us also run bad on my Ryzen 3600
Watching DF clps tonight, you get a name check mate from Alex. Good to see they have taste" '-)
My son still runs this spec powering my old 1440p ultrawide screen. Its not the fastest but he can enjoy all the games he wants to on i still.
I pretty much have this exact system, except mine is an 8600K and was a 1080 non ti, so just a small tier up. Just upgraded my GPU to a RX 6700 now i'm really feeling the CPU pain, in particular metro exodus enhanced is bring this aging cpu to its knees. Speaking of metro exodus, the enhanced edition could be a decent game to add to your testing suite for RTX era and newer cards, it has forced ray tracing and seems to be very CPU heavy.
Thanks!
as someone wishing for this build on 2018, i didnt have enough money back then and just built a i3 8100 + 1060 6gb..... now i think my r7 5700 + 6700xt will last me longer
My son uses a I7 8700 and a 1070Ti and it still holds up pretty well
I'm still running an i7 6700K and GTX1650Super. I'm using it for emulation so it's fine as-is.
Tldr: the ryzen 3600 was a much smarter buy back then due to the hyperthreading which can help a lot nowadays, not to mention the MUCH better upgrade path (up to 5800x3d), which can be comparable to intel's 12th gen.