Forza Horizon 5 🇲🇽 Rally Vs Offroad Tires - Which Tire Is Best For Rally Cars?
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- Is the Rally Tire or the Offroad Tire best for your rally car in Forza Horizon 5? Today we find out! Please leave a like, a positive comment, and be sure to subscribe!
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0:00 Intro
0:30 Tire/Tyre Compounds
1:12 Why Though?
1:53 Tire PI Differences
2:37 The First Route
3:11 Different Road Surfaces
3:54 Rally Tire Race 1 (Gravel/Dirt?
5:08 Build Info And PI Benefits
5:58 Offroad Tire Race 1 (Gravel/Dirt)
8:10 Welcome To The Jungle BABAY
9:10 Offroad Tire Race 2 (Mud/Tarmac)
12:18 Rally Tire Race 2 (Mud/Tarmac)
13:38 I'm So Confused... Tire Feel Differences
16:26 Tree /My Final Thoughts
17:15 Much Love, Everyone! See Ya Soon
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I appreciate this info as I havnt built many rally cars yet. This is quality and helpful AF content right here! Much love brotha 🤘👊
Appreciate you, my dude!!! Thank you!
Just know that forza is waaaaay deeper of a rabbit hole than you think and once you get into tuning it’s starts to feel less of a game and sometimes laborsome and there is no turning back.
I think there should have been a road only test too. I've found there to be a fairly significant difference on the road as one would expect. The game's stats show a pretty huge difference in cornering G too which is mostly backed up by my experience. However a combination of the offroad tires doing incredibly well offroad (as one would expect) and the incredibly small PI change of offroad tires makes them, in my opinion, frankly unbalanced. So even though I feel rally does better on the road than described here I also favour offroad tires more than described here due to the huge PI difference. I mentally view rally tires as a specialised road tire rather than an offroad tire due to the PI advantage and the performance of rally tire on road.
Of course I've not found many situations with enough of a mix to warrant rally tires over offroad or road specific tires to matter anyway. I'd also be very interested in how road vs rally tires fare in wet conditions (and to an extent dry) for road specific courses, though that is obviously beyond the scope of this video.
i wouldnt look at your lateral G honestly its all about tire temperatures lateral G s just a theoretical number which only applies if you can heat your tires up to race temps.
@@jakevicknair5262 I simply don't agree here. Tire temperatures are incredibly easy to get right. If you're struggling that much you might want to look at changing your tire pressures.
@@olivialambert4124 getting them to heat up isnt the hard part necessarily its more how they warm up and when. you could definitely negate the additional temps by increasing tire pressure but you can only add so much before you get some pretty negative effects in your corner turn in.
@@olivialambert4124 it’s unlikely to even be an issue unless its a road based circuit.
lets not forget that with the offroad tires, you have 15PI more to play with, and for a A-class that can be 30hp, so Offrad is the way to go! :)
Nice vid buddy!
Exactly as I say in the video 😉 But yes! It is THE way!!!
Not necessarily, I just raced agaisnt someone using full race slicks on a dirt track at S1 class. He dominated everything, never even had to touch the brakes, literally full throttle the entire time and never broke traction once.
This channel is really helping my rally times, my buddies are starting to notice.
That's awesome to hear!!! Thanks for the support!
Excellent video, you did a great job explaining everything necessary in this video!
Awesome! I'm glad it was informative! Thanks so much for the support 🙌
Definitely switching all my rally cars to off-road tires! Adjusting psi on the mainly for road might improve them more
I am testing an S1 Hoonigan RS200 with them now and have the PSI to 22.5 F and 23.5 R and it's a beast
Top man! I was waiting for this 👌
Hope it helps!!!
I mostly use the Rally tires online for mixed terrain events now, and offroad compound for dirt racing. Sometimes like you said in more poweful cars rally still do the job but looks like offroad ones are the way to go. What i don't like is how bulky they are and because of that they don't look that good on normal cars like they do on trucks and pickups..
100% agree. They are ugly as hell, but rapid!!!
I had already got a hunch that this was the case myself, but wanted to confirm it. Great video!
Nice, thank you for the support!
Can't wait to race my firends with my new build, thanks for all the advice!
Hell yeah! Go grab some W's!!!
I can confirm your results. The offroad compound still works very well on tarmac, at least for my awd BMW 1M A-Class car. Super versatile, very fast both in offroad and rally races online, even fast enough in road races against the ai.
Nice! Pretty wild to see this outcome, but I have made the switch on almost every rally car so far!
I was using rally tires for my B and A class builds trusting the PI grip increase in the numbers but now I can see that off-road tires and a little more PI to increased power or reduce weight will be the way to go. Thank you so much for the video! If you can test other PI categories will be awesome to watch! Have a great day buddy!
Will do for sure! Can report that my S1 class Hoonigan RS200 is GOAT with offroad tires!
@@ConnerSpeed6 Thanks for the RS200 tip… 👍🏼
@@goofysloth you're welcome! The Puma FE is also really good!
This is really interesting, thanks for the test drive!
Sure is! Thanks for the support!
I set a top 3 global time in a dirt race in a jesko using off-road tires. Then, I switched to rally tires thinking they would actually help me. They helped on the tarmac at the start to launch off the line and it helped a lot on the first and second turns on tarmac but once it got into the dirt, they were extremely slidey and impossible to get close to my time.
It's crazy, right?!?! Nice job on the top 3!!!!!!!
@@ConnerSpeed6 Thank you!
Switching to offroad tires moved me from 4th place to 1st with a 3 second lead. I had to double check my difficultly settings just to be sure.
Holy hell! My test is helping the community! Love it. Thanks for the support!
Thanks for the test
No problem! Thanks for the support!
Now you know I been had this same struggle deciding which were the better choice. I too decided to do some testing and comparison. I believe you are correct in your findings as thats where I have begun leaning. In my opinion the off road tires just seem to have more bite in surfaces not asphalt. I do have a Lambo Huracan in S Class with off road tires. The same we did in FH4 with rally tires. It definitely does the job better with off road. Great video and information for our curious minds! 👍🏻👍🏻
Hell yes, dude! I knew there had to be other people thinking the same thing! I have been changing all of my Rally builds to offroad tires since Friday 🤣 Hope you're doing well, brother 🙌
@@ConnerSpeed6 all good man. Just grinding trying to get some content out there. Hope everything os going well with you! 👊🏻
@@ptgtoasty642 hell yes! Same as always 🤘
I will say the off-road tire suffers in tarmac handling as compared to the rally tires, but with a car in A class you don’t really go fast enough to make much difference
For sure. I will look into it with the higher clas S1 builds next.
@@ConnerSpeed6 using offroad tyres in tarmac with ford gt70 in roadraces. something is weird in there
New subscriber, excellent videos. 1 small thought, this can kinda go towards any of these comparison videos, since you said if a circuit has 50/50 road to dirt you think the rally tires would be better, id say you should test that theory, with 1 additional test, and thatd be if the rally tires were better in that 3rd test, to then upgrade the offroad setup to make it the 800 p.i. so itd be a fair additional comparison. Its just a thought as i know itd make a longer video/be more work
Yep! I plan on doing full build comparisons. Maxing PI in a certain class with rally tires, then adding offroad tires and maxing PI on those!
@@ConnerSpeed6 I can already tell you what will happen, with off-road tires, you will absolutely destroy your rally times times.
I've been doing a bunch of theses tests myself and I've come to the conclusion that there is virtually no benefit to rally tires over off-road tires, which is disappointing actually. There should be a sweet spot where rally tires shine like on 50/50 tarmac to dirt, (or close to), but even Travis like that, the rally tires aren't keeping up.
Sure they are better on tarmac, but the extra pi I can use to increase power, and the much better handling on dirt far out weighs any gains from better tarmac traction with rally tires.
Bottom line, off-road tires in every test I've done is a much better way to go. I saw almost no use for rally tires right now. That's too bad!
I think I'm the next update, some kind of adjustment will be necessary, or else no one will time with rally tires at all.
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Shoutout! Thanks for the support!
Dude! Awesome video 👍🏼 do you happen to put your tunes up for grabs in game? Your previous video encouraged me to actually try tuning my 2015 Rally STI but I just don't feel comfortable/knowledgeable enough to achieve the same results someone like you can lol
Thank you! Yeah, I have tunes out there for sure. I am slowly getting cars tuned and released! Gamertag is CONNERSPEED6
@@ConnerSpeed6 ah! You're the man!! Thanks dude keep up the great work!!
I bet CS6 is grinding content right now can’t wait to see what’s in store for fh5
Hell yes. Let's go!
Wow. Offroad tires is the way to go it seems. Thanks man!
Indeed they are!
thanks for the video, when i used the rally tires on sand i was so confused as to why my car wouldn't steer
HA!!! you're welcome! Anything to help!
nice video
Thank you! I appreciate the support 🙌
Do you have any thoughts on the lancer evo vs. the wrx sti? Found your tune for the sti and it is bonkers!
Hell yeah! I've not really done any car comparisons yet, but that is something I will do down the road!
I've ran a personal tire test myself and it seems like the rally tires are better on tarmac than street and sport compounds. Semi slick and slick tires are better still though for more high power builds, like s1 s2. For any events with non tarmac surfaces though, offroad tires are definitely the way to go. They feel so much better than the rally tires.
Right?! How crazy. I'm glad I was curious because my builds now are SO much better!
I seem to gravitate toward the rally parts of this game more and almost all my cars have rally tires. Rally tires do well as street tires too and cost less pi. Basically, most of my cars are competitive in every event. I have set rules for builds too. 1 tire width and stance upgrade per class upgrade. Tuning makes a world of difference but isn’t for impatient players. I spend more time tuning that driving now
I do too! LOLOL!
@@ConnerSpeed6 if you wanna save some time and enjoy PLAYING the game again I would recommend the ForzaTune pro app. You put in the cars weight, torque, etc. and it gives you the ideal tuning adjustments for that car with the upgrades chosen. I swore to myself I would not tune this time around but nope! It’s like drugs I swear, smoke a little weed and you aren’t a drug addict, smoke crack once and you might have a problem, that’s how I feel about forza when comparing just building cars and playing to tuning cars lol
@@MrDickhead47 Thanks for the mention!
Regarding cross country races, do you think heavier weight is better and if I should use off-road race tires for builds that are B-class or lower instead of adding more power to top it off in the class?
For CC in low classes, I would make sure to upgrade to Offroad tires and then just install as much power as possible! 🤣
What is your thoughts on best modern rally car so far? I am struggling getting speed out of the Subaru WRX's even with offroad.
The 2004 STI is really good, but I believe the best is the Welcome Pack Evo X
I use Rally compound for mixed surface and Offroad for anything but tarmac
Offroad Race is META for any rally or mixed surface!
Honestly I’m a bit disappointed with the results, at least in the jungle circuit, I’d expect the rally compound to outclass the off-road compound on the tarmac. But I guess off-road tire are the meta now. Great video, thanks for the information
Yeah, it's quite odd isn't it?! Thanks for the support!
@@ConnerSpeed6 yea it definitely is odd. I think I’m going to keep running the gravel rally tires, I just love the way they look. Keep up the great work, love your rally content!
It seems the game is operating on the idea that off-road tires are used on heavier vehicles driving through thick terrain. And the lighter vehicles sprinting on mixed terrain of asphalt & dirt don't need the power, just good rally tires.
Yeah, I'm not too sure. Either way, offroad tires are the way to go in the lower class especially!
I feel like the Rally Tire is supposed to be more of a mixed surface tire. A jack of all trades master of none situation. Rally races in real life take place on mixed surfaces with a good amount of tarmac and gravel. The Offroad tires on the other hand should be used if you plan on NOT being on tarmac, or at least very little. Another thing to note is the ACTUAL rally cars in game (#34 Beetle, 207 Peugot, Civic Coupe, etc) have there own tires that, apparently, have more grip than the rally tires upgrade. might be worth looking into
For sure. I have not been using the rally tires for anything at all that touches dirt honestly. They are just too slidy and lack the lateral grip that the offroad tires have. As for the BF Goodrich and Toyo "Rally" compounds, they are pretty damn good overall, but from my tests, the offroad tires still have better grip offroad! It's wild. Makes building and tuning a bit more fun!
Even more, I "discovered" the stock tires on the Peugeot 207 for tarmac. I had been running Slicks and experimented with the Stock tires. I saw no appreciable difference in its fabulous performance. The Slicks came off, and the PI difference allowed me to bring the power way up. It is now an absolute terror on pavement in addition to rally with the same tires. The handling on stock tires is amazing.
Funny, I just did a buncha tests exactly like these and went looking to see if anyone found the same results. Rally tires are, frankly, useless in comparison to off-roads. OR's arnt that much worse than rally on tarmac, but are SO much more dominant off of it. Combine this with the PI the off-roads save and actually using that and I've found that unless the track your on is 80%+ tarmac, the Rally tires arnt even competitive. Even with 50/50, even if the street portion is technical, if theres **any** handling consideration on the dirt, OR's blow rally away. I consistently am 1-3 seconds faster on basically every one of the 10 tracks I tried.
Basically, my conclusion is Rally is for street cars that couldnt afford semi slicks.
Good tests!!!
Now I need to see if Semi Slick are better than full Slick
Full slick best for Dry. Semi slick for all tarmac conditions.
Full slicks gonna be used for rivals
1 question: were you running on normal steering or sim steering?
Always normal
@@ConnerSpeed6 How? Personally I can't have Normal on it still feels like I'm getting unwanted assistance and correction 🤔
@@starshippower88 seriously??? I constantly feel like cars want to oversteer with sim. Just too twitchy for me personally!
@@ConnerSpeed6 i suggest trying sim in this game conner, i switched to it because it feels much more stable in this game than previous games
@@JoshuaJayMyers Simulation mode + steering wheel setup is the way to go with FH5 imho. The wheel support is so much better and in 1st person it feels so nice and immersive. The weight transfers feel 100% more intuitively right. Might be harder but the experience is superior.
To be completely honest, I don't think any of the compounds are actually worth it in the most direct sense of the word. They increase your performance index by a metric fuck ton (in some instances literally from the top of B class to the start of S1) without the benefit to back these insane numbers up. I do think this specific comparison is worthwhile, since these two compounds cost the same, but generally speaking there's not a single upgrade I'd pass up to change my compound and stay in the same performance class.
Good though. Although they definitely do help handling from my experience. Use the offroad tires and save PI
Im surprised that the offroad tires were that much better all round than the rally. Looks like the gains made in the tarmac arent that beneficial compared to the off road sections
SO much better. I've been testing S1 builds, and they are STILL better than Rally Tires.
If you are gonna do mixed surface rally tires for full dirt offroad
Not based on my tests! Offroad are the way.
@@ConnerSpeed6 yea for any event that has more dirt than tarmac. For an do everything build i think rally tires will be better. Kinda sad seeing how powerfull the ofroad tires feel especially when they offer the same pi as stock tires but with more grip for dirt
Also i think the pi system doesnt factor in what surface the tire is gonna be used on.
The rally tires behave more like semi slicks to me because once I take the rally tires on dirt at all I'm wasting time digging into the ground for a bite and on tarmac the rally tires are too grippy which makes no sence off road tires definitely make better rally tires because they give you grip when you need it most and extra down force can be added to make up for the poor grip on tarmac
Yeah, they are garbage for actual rallying 🙃
Off road tires are my go to.
Always when building rally cars!
Is there a way I can get your rally tunes? Do you share them?
I do. Search my gamertag CONNERSPEED6
Imagine if they add the
Honda accord and a new Honda Civic, in forza horzion 5
Lol, would be cool!
@@ConnerSpeed6 plus cruse control
@@ConnerSpeed6 and fun
Rally tyers are more convenient in dirt races, off-road are better for cross country and mud
Not exactly! Offroad tires are the META for any offroad/rally racing! Rally tires are used mostly in A and S1 Road builds! 😱
I don't have rally tyres instead I have off road tyres *not the race compound*
Is this normal?
Wait. You don't have an option for Rally Tires? On any car? And the Offroad tires are an option?
@@ConnerSpeed6 yes.. I've never seen a rally compound..only off road and race off road
@@Al-Basha_ what?! That makes no sense. Rally tires are an option for nearly every vehicle in-game. Offroad about 50% of the time. 🤔
@@ConnerSpeed6 maybe I have a bug...I really don't know I search for it online but it seems that I am the only one facing this problem...it's not a big deal it's just the name (off road instead of rally)
If it’s off-road it means rally, if it’s offroad it means offroad tires
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Thank you!
They mixed up this a little.
In fh4 it was sure u went on rally tyre for PG.
Now it's messed up. Some cars have to go on offroad some other need rally tyre.
And it's doesn't depends on build or car type, it's just a data record which one is better with rally.
I'm tuning and testing this for a week now and still doesn't make any sense. I'm a multiple grandmaster in PG in fh4, thousands run on my setups and here no one my setup works.
All my car is slippy af. I had to build up at least 3 different tune for one car like a trial&error to figure out what works what not.
In PG (and I think it's true for rally, dirt, scramble, whatever...) , most cars have to use offroad tyre, but some track toy and hardcoded "stiff" car have to use rally tyre.
In the arena, just the trucks and off-road vehicles can use offroad tyre, the rally completely crap on any car, and the snow tyre is the best, almost like driving in rails.
At the aeroport, just offroad on anything, except the "stiff" cars. Snow tyres don't works
At sand doesn't matter which one u put up ?!?!
At the ruins, again, everything on offroad except the stiffs. Snow tyre crap as rally. Or worse. With nails on it....
I'm sure I won't be grandmaster in this title😁
And for more, others using TCR, abs, etc.... U can't compare with them if u like me run with no assists on.
What's your gamertag?
And yeah, it seems as-if they messed it up a bit this go around. 😕
Tamassuri
I'm probably not gonna watch this(I say this politely. I'm sure your videos are great but I'm just video surfing and commenting) but I'll toss in my two cents.
Off road grips dirt trails and off road like tarmac while rally has a bit more slicker feel, you can drift using those while offroad is just pure grip when off road.
Thanks for stopping by! But my tests proved that the offroad tires were all-around faster!
Plot twist: snow tires are 2s quicker
Oh snap. Have you tested? I am online testing now!
I know the winner
pshh... Yeah right
rally tires for me have no grip
Same. Messed up, right?!
Forza Horizon 5 is so realistic
Cool!!
Great.. they f* it up. First Offroad should have much less grip on street abs second they should have the same index point.. sadly there is nothing to do for the better looking rally tire because they steal 25 index points from your car.
Yeah, for sure. Sadly this is the way!
I feel like ofroad tires should add more pi points than the rally compound since they improve the ofroad stat so much
@@0wly they definitely don't!
"Infamous rally tires"??
Very infamous
@@ConnerSpeed6 do people really dislike them that much?
@@fin3662 in FH5, YES! They are only used for road racing 🤣
@@ConnerSpeed6 damn, thats kinda disappointing, thank you though
So basically, offroad for mostly dirt. Rally for mostly paved.
I mean. If it's 50/50 dirt/road, I am still fitting offroad tires!
Offroad tires ruin the aesthetics for rally cars :(
Very ugly indeed. But much better for rally racing 😕
Mexico is by far the worst Horizon environment yet.
I've never seen a more wrong statement
@@ConnerSpeed6 Strokes for folks. Looks amazing but plays like crap for me. Just not feeling it.