Forza Horizon 5 🇲🇽 - Rally Tuning Basics To Make You Faster! - Early Access Gameplay
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- Today we take an in-depth look at tuning cars for Rally Racing in Forza Horizon 5! Please leave a like, a positive comment, and be sure to subscribe!
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0:00 Intro
1:33 Car Build
5:28 Where I Tune
6:00 Telemetry Mapping
6:41 Tire Pressures
7:48 Gearing
8:56 Alignment
11:52 ARB's
12:23 Springs
13:48 Damping
15:32 Aero
16:45 Braking
17:25 Differential
19:05 Closing Comments
10:03 Outro Thank You!
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The braking in Forza is backwards, always has been. Sliding the slider to the RIGHT (towards rear) makes the brakes MORE front biased (most real street cars are approx 80/20, f/r). Not sure why they felt the need to reverse the settings but it's been like this since the OG Forza Horizon. Also, they changed the braking feel and action in FH5, now no matter how hard you hit the brakes they don't lock up instantly, it's like always driving with abs on in FH4... they fade to lock instead of locking up instantly, it's really taking me some practice to get the feel of it.
@@RubberDucky8734 I remember FH3 had this correct, then they messed it up in FH4. Can't remember which way it was in FH2 though.
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Never truly learned how to tune a rally car. Great informational video Conner.
Appreciate you, bud! Thanks for everything!
Great video. Really big help for us non-car guys who want to dabble with tuning in the game. Working on a Porsche GT2 rally build at the moment!
Hell yes! Good luck. That sounds like a load of fun
Thanks. I was making my ae86 into a rally car, and I was using it with a bone stock tune. Just upgrades. My car is a lot easier to use now. Thank you.
That's fantastic! Glad I could help. Thanks for the support!
Hey, thank you for this. I really liked how you explained how each step affects performance rather than just giving us arbitrary numbers left to mystery. Unfortunately for me, when I tried this on tracks that had jumps, my car almost always bounced so hard into a front flip it would take me out of the race. Otherwise I loved the build. Tweaked a couple things and got a great rally car. Cheers!
My pleasure! Appreciate the support. Yeah, there are some points where the car may need softer springs for sure. Some jumps will have the car landing more on the front or rear of the car more than others!
@@ConnerSpeed6 true. Maybe it was just specific jumps that caused this
@@davidward1880 definitely could be! But could be car specific too!
Thank you soo much man! Tuning has changed my game up completely! Cars I thought were crap, i can now make INCREDIBLE!
Hell yes! So glad to hear! Remember, tuning will vary from vehicle to vehicle and some areas of the map may require different spring rates and such! Thanks for the support!
Nice vid man, helped my ralley puma out quite a bit. Although i dont have alot of parts options on that ride, still worked out much better with some of these tweaks
Thank you! I need to make an updated tuning guide for rally soon. Glad this helped a bit!
Great video. Happy tuning!
Thank you! I appreciate the support 🙌
I was having problems cornering and this tune helps alot thank you
Glad to hear! I need to make an updated video, as I have learned a bit more. Thanks for the support!
I have tested, tested, tested, and re-tested rally tires vs. Off-road.
I've discovered that for dirt/mixed tracks, rally tires work well and gain an advantage over off-road on the tarmac parts.
(Except for the Baja scramble, probably because the dirt track there is more sand, and thus, more difficult for tires to plow through than on most country road type, gravel roads.)
Having said that, overall, off-road tires, especially considering their lower pi cost, are simply better than rally tires overall.
In every car when it's an Off-road race, they are MUCH MUCH better. Also in every car, on any kind of dirt they are better.
Rally tires only advantage over off-road tires is on tarmac on mixed tracks, and that's it.
Most importantly I've found that, while rally tires have an edge on the tarmac, it easily loses that edge on dirt, and when you throw in the pi different, it turns out that, except in very track specific cases, there is never a reason to choose rally tires over off-road for dirt/mixed tracks and especially in off-road races.
In other words, for rally races use Off-road tires. Period. You are waiting pi using rally tires on dirt tracks, and you do not gain an advantage!
Ironically, rally tires, due to the lower pi than most tarmac track tires pi cost, and yet still having a very good grip on tarmac tracks, can often replace semi slicks and slicks, with similar performance, (and much better performance in wet
conditions!), for road races.
I believe that a lot of the builds that have been done using semi slicks and slicks, for tarmac tracks, could be done better with rally tires.
You get similar grip, certainly good enough, (and again, you get better grip in rain), for a lower pi cost, which can be spent on horsepower or other needs such as brakes etc...
Bottom line is, the tires we got used to using in Forza horizon four, are no longer the same, we need to rethink tires choices in nearly every case. The slight grip advantage offered by semi slicks over rally tires is easily offset by the lower pi cost and versatility of rally tires in a majority of cases, (note I did NOT SAY ALL CASES!) I said most.
I install offroad race tires on ALL my cars used for rally or offroad racing! They are just better. Especially with being able to add extra HP. As for the rally tires. Yes, I install them on some A Class Road builds and S1 as well. They are a bit of a META upgrade in S1. For example. The Ferrarri FXX is INSANE in S1 for road racing, and the best builds use rally tires! It's insane 🤣
@@ConnerSpeed6 exactly! You said what I was trying to say more succinctly.
You're exactly right, but I think that must tuners find it counterintuitive, probably because of the name.
They see the name "rally tires" and they think that it won't work well on road/street races, and almost from habit ingrained from Forza 4, they install some kind of slicks.
It's a mistake though! Rally tires are the best use of your pi on most road builds A class and down especially. Once you get into hyper cars that changes a bit.
Bottom line you're exactly right, if it's designed for any kind of dirt racing, even mixed tracks, put off-road tires on.
If it's for tarmac, check the rally tires before automatically reaching for the semi slicks/slicks, you just might be much better off with rally tires.
Awesome information!! just subscribed 👍🏼
I genuinely appreciate the support!!! Glad to help!
Thank you king, now i know how to properly tune my 1994 celica
Some amendments are needed here.
Front ARB's: 6
Rear ARB's: 24
Front and Rear Springs: Almost FULLY soft
Front Damping: 6.7 (Bump 4.2)
Rear Damping: 7.6 (Bump 4.8)
Fantastic tuning guide! easy to understand.... aaand it works!! ty, earned a sub :-)
I really appreciate that! Thank you for the support!
Really great video. Wish you the best for your channel!
Thank you! I appreciate the support 🙌
Very good video my dude, nice and informative! 👍🙂
Thank you! I appreciate the support 🙌
great tutorial bud! cant wait to make some adjustments to my WRX and AWD Charger tunes!
Hell yes! Enjoy! I'm loving the game so far. Thanks for the support 🙌
@@ConnerSpeed6 Have you noticed that Dirt Track Race AI seems a bit overturned at higher difficulties? I don't have an issue winning on Highly Skilled with most road/street races.. but Dirt Track races, the best I've been able to place is about 3rd or 4th.. and that's with using your tutorial.
@@Theman122082 the AI are stupid fast in the game. Especially in Dirt and Cross Country racing.
The break bias is actually inverted in FH5. If you slide towards the right, you get more front bias.
There's a good case for using offroad tires over rally tires. The drop in PI vs the Rally means you can spend more PI on other upgrades. Overall you can have a slightly faster drive. - in some, not all cases. Great video though Conner
I know 😉🤪
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Thank you! Yeah, been running offroad tires on my Rally builds since I made that video
@@ConnerSpeed6 I'm working on a build right now for the Renault 5 Turbo 1980. Nice light and old car... but I'm getting smoked by the AI and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo is so much better in comparison. Just can't seem to get it right. Plus my launch is terrible. Any advice?
I'm getting a lot of slide on corners, handling is a bit twitchy. I feel like the back end wants to slide too much. It's a RWD.
Make your rear accel on dif about 30, decel 5 or even 0. That will help. Springs almost all the way soft, tighten Damping a bit to keep Tire contact to the road.
This was so helpful, thanks so much. You’ve just earned a sub from me👍
I appreciate the support! Glad I could help a bit!
Nice vid!
Thanks, bro!
I would first like to say that this is a great video that helped me a lot BUT, there is something VERY IMPORTANT that you missed. The breaking balance is actually flipped in all Horizon games
I know it was like that in FH4, but for some reason, this game feels like the braking is tougher. More easy to lockup. (I don't use ABS) So rear bias is working better for me!
Messing around with a 94 Ferrari f355 Berlinetta right now. I haven't got it down yet with tuning it but it's a really fun car for rally. I keep the stock engine for my only personal reasons. I hate hearing the same engine noises every car I play so usually I keep the stock engines because every car has it's unique sound
Hell yes! That's going to be amazing! RWD??? Also, yes. Love keeping the stock engine 💪
I love rally racing in horizon five. It is way too much fun and it’s funny because the car that I’ve pretty much beat half the game with is a Lancer it’s an Evo X GSR WP but I am currently going through some more rally cars and drifting. I’m working on a low class Peugeot 205 right now
That WP Evo X is a beast! Thanks for watching!
Well communicated Conner 👏
Thanks, man!!
Fire Bro!
I appreciate the support!!!
Thank God I found your video good tune friend you really opened up another world to me, but subtitles in Spanish would be good for those of us who don't speak much English, some things I didn't understand
Nice! Glad to be of assistance! I will look into subtitles! 🤝
Good on you mate, very informative!
You should make one of these of Drift and Drag
Thanks! I can try Drift and tarmac racing, but literally never built a drag car 🤣
@@ConnerSpeed6 haha nah that’s fair, I’m always just downloading others
@@ValveBouncerYT same!
Thankyou
You're welcome! Thank you for the support!
I feel like front tire width is worth it on a lot of cars it reduces understeer and makes your steering much more responsive its not super important on rally cars on some it is but i wouldn't overlook it due to pi cost
For me. The understeer can be tuned out in ARB's! I would rather put a little more power in! 😎🤪
@@ConnerSpeed6 sure and I would probably agree for a lot of rally and RWD tunes but not AWD where understeer can’t be always be tuned out without introducing new problems like mid turn oversteer which causes bouncing
Awesome video. Would also like one on tuning a street car!
Thanks, brother. I can definitely look into it! Thanks for the support!
@@ConnerSpeed6 I goota get my tuning game on point. And that vid really helped with my rally setups
@@whiteyg2455 good to hear, man. FH5 is a lot different, but easily figured out!
This is very helpful, thank u sir! Really love rally, for me forza horizon 5 is kind of dirt rally 3 simulator lol, but rally cars in forza horizon are not so strong, my test results now group B rally cars only rs200 and metro 6r4 are good for S1 rally, opel manta good for A rally, mordern rally cars both sti and evo are good for A rally, ford fiesta rally edition is good for S1 rally
Good! Thank you so much for the support! The Puma FE is also amazing in S1 class!
Hey man, I have looked everywhere and nobody has done a tune guide on the trophy trucks. There are a bunch of these badass rwd trucks, and I end up making them all wheel drive because I cant get them setup right when I keep em rear. Any help on that and a proper off-road setup period would be great! Like how to tune a good offroad SUV, the jaguar fpace is a beasttt but havent quite got it right yet.
Hey! Yeah, man. I would love to get an offroad truck/cross country build video going. Problem is... Everyone online will have AWD and that is the OP way to go.
I always keep cars on the stock drivetrain unless they're FWD then I change em to AWD because I like to keep the cars kinda authentic, but I love old escorts and keep them RWD. How would you change this for RWD? Just adjust the suspension to give more understeer?
RWD requires some decently soft rear springs and ARB's. Plus, lowering the rear accel on your diff to around 20!
Quick question about damping. Around minute 14:20;
So far, I understood that the softer the setting, the less resistance in the spring, hence the faster the actuation. If this is what you meant then ignore below, else... well, here it goes;
For example, if the rebound was set to a softer setting, it would lower the resistance of the rebound/bounce back. Hence a faster actuation as there is less force to overcome. Making the tires return to the ground faster as the spring decompresses faster.
If the rebound was set to a stiffer setting, this would in turn increase the resistance of the rebound/bounce back. Hence a slower actuation as there is more force to overcome. Making the tires return to the ground slower as the spring decompresses slower.
TL;DR:
soft = less resistance = spring actuates faster = (rebound) tires bounce back to ground faster
stiff = more resistance = spring actuates slower = (rebound) tires bounce back to ground slower
I'm just not sure what's what anymore, someone please enlighten us.
So, updating this guide a bit. I have been putting my rebound around mid to high 6's, and my rear rebound about 5-8 points higher than front. Bump is about 60% of those values. So slightly stiffer Damping is actually better to keep the car from being too bouncy
Having trouble with the turn in using awd cars on the road sections of some tracks they just don’t want to make the turn unless I really slow down unlike rwd, any suggestions?
That's a common thing. Especially if you are using offroad tires. The rally tires will have better turn in and more grip on tarmac sections. Offroad are far better in all roads that are not tarmac. Maybe lower your front ARB's down to single digits, and rear ARB's to about 25. See if that helps. Also, lower your front accel on dif to 0.
So when i Tried to Tune the springs they both were 0.1 of and i tried to change it but it didn’t work fx my front is ethier 372.6 or 373.1
Lower your springs almost the way down soft. Like. Literally almost all the way soft. After that. Make your front rebound about 6.5, rear about 7.2. The bump should be about 60% of the rebound front and rear. Lower your front ARB's to 6.00, rear to about 24.
Nothing beats the Peugeot 207 Super 2000 2007 with a certain A800 tuning setup. Literally nothing.
Thanks for the information. One question, why don't you play on the steering wheel?
I do at times, but the controller is far quicker in Horizon!
@@ConnerSpeed6 I have sensitivity in the application Logitech by 80%
I guess I'm the only one that puts the Diff Center Balance less than 50% (40-45% these days). Maybe it's because I've spent most of my life driving front-wheel drive cars. I like to enter turns relatively slowly and hit the acceleration early. With more front bias, the car launches out of the turn without coming around. It works great on pavement and seems to work best for me on dirt as well.
I have basically changed to that as-of late.
Front-A 60-65
Front-D 20
Rear-A 40-50
Rear-D 10-20
@@ConnerSpeed6 Yes, that is a significant difference. I'm watching your Dec 2 video (again) right now, and even then your settings had changed.
I was referring to the Center Balance, and I seem to be the only player on the planet that prefers front bias.
@@kijekuyo9494 oooh, yeah. My center is dependent upon the drive of the car. AWD I typically throw it to the rear. Up to like 75 at times!
For the life of me man, I can't figure out how to stop my back end from bouncing if the car leaves the road and lands. Any suggestions on the fine tuning?
Try to soften springs way lower, and stiffening the Damping settings.
I would love to see a Unimog build
Oooh, would be fun
Can you link the tune code? That we can load it in horzon 5?
Sorry for my bad english.
Don't apologize for your English! You sound great! I don't have the share Code available. Search my gamertag. CONNERSPEED6
Awesome video can you do a forza tune vs your own tunes to se if a app realy is better than cars that you tuned your self
Forza tune? App? What is this?!?!
@@ConnerSpeed6 a app that you can use fore tuning cars in forza games i have one fore forza horizon 4 and motorsport 7 and is called forza tune pro if i remember it right
@@tobiasholst8946 oh. Wow. Never seen that before! I'll look into it 👍
@@ConnerSpeed6 you defently chould
Forza tune is great app indeed, especially if u do alot of tuning, fast, simple and effective. Just be wary that rally tunes seem to have way too soft springs for tracks, otherwise I haven't ran into any problems with it on fh5. App will probably get updated spring calculations soon anyways now that the game is out.
Also going to hijack this comment and ask about transmission in general, not just for rally. Is there any benefit on running 7-10 gears on cars or should I always just stick with regular 6?
Why don't I have the rally spring and dampers or rally tyres? I have snow tyres and off-road spring amd dampers
What vehicle?
@@ConnerSpeed6 same one as in the video also Subaru impreza wrx sti 04/05
couldnt find your gamer tag to find you tunes is it not connerspeed6?
My gamertag is CONNERSPEED6 yes
@@ConnerSpeed6 sweet ill add you
now i will try with a new V8 Mustang!! XD
Let's go!!!!! Ha! Thanks for the support!
As a completely new player and one who wants to feel at least a little competitive online (offline is a joke in any car) I'm basically copying this build entirely, but out of curiosity are there good databases or websites dedicated to people sharing their entire build and tunes? I'm not educated enough on the subject to even consider attempting this stuff on my own and it doesn't seem like something I will pick up and understand well enough any time soon.
Hey! I hope it helps for you. Maybe a bit tight off of big jumps on landing, but it's grippy!
As for tunes, get in the car you want to get a tune for, pause the game, right bumper once, click on tuning, press action button (middle left button on controller) and then click load tune. That will pull up shared tunes for that car from the community!
@@ConnerSpeed6 Yeah I was picking other peoples onlines but most of the cars I tried are underdogs and have a bunch of 1 star tunes. I had no problem finding pre-made ones but I have no idea just exactly how competitive they are, and that's where I think I'll improve my knowledge and car roster by finding experts or good websites for specific DIY tunes. Plus the random ones I tried online haven't all been great and they lock me out of tweaking.
@@DirEnGay mmm, yeah I know what you mean. Check the rivals leaderboards to see what cars people are using!
When you set your front diff that low it doesn't really lock at. It's not 10% locked, it's 10% of the locking force. Even at 100% the diff isn't 100% locked.
I've made big adjustments to the tuning lately. Front accel 50 ish
Rear accel 40 or more depending on handling
I've always used near 100% front and rear accel, and lower decel. Using a 50/50 split and a little throttle control, understeer isn't an issue through the corner and you carry a ton of speed
The high hp s1 awd monsters are too fun
will this work for all rally tunes???
Most rally builds, yes!
it took me a year to get tuning down in fh4 ... here we go again ...
It's a lot different... And the AI is WAY more difficult.
Why you have smoke in your nose?
The most important upgrade that you can do to ensure your success is to have rally lights. The more lights you have, the faster your rally car goes.
I've never heard a more true statement in my life 🤣🤝
HokiHoshi says the break balance is reversed in his latest vid. Is that true?
It depends on the car. If you are locking the front often, take more to the rear! Mostly AWD cars prefer rear bias! Slight adjustments though
If anyone is reading this, I am having trouble rally tuning a Honda S2000 currently. I cannot get it to grip the dirt, and I cannot get it to take corners well no matter what I change. Help would be greatly appreciated, as I want to learn how to do this myself!
That's a tough one. Without seeing your build and tune I'm not sure how to help. What are your ARB's set at? Also, what is your alignment set to?
@@ConnerSpeed6 I got it somewhat functional using your guide, but for some reason the car really likes the offroad tires more so than the rally tires, plus I found it did better with PSI 18-19 rather than the typical 23-24 I usually use. My Caster is at 6.5 degrees (don’t really feel much difference when changing) and I currently have my alignment at -0.4 and -0.4. It works alright, just took so much fine tuning, and I am not a car nut that understands all the settings!
@@superstarftw7712 offroad tires you say? 😉
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Conner speed can you lower writh of your camera
Lower what on my camera???
As an owner of both horizon 5 and Motorsport 7 I feel like the horizon series feels a bit to unrealistic. You can definitely feel tires gripping better in Motorsport 7.
Yep. Horizon is the more arcade of the two and always has been!
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