GGG needs to stealth drop a waystone tab real talk. All this drama is very entertaining, but keeping it a hunnit, its wild a waystone tab isnt in the game yet.
With settlers of kallgur being my first league I'm sad we won't get 3.26 until who knows, I put 400 hours in before I was over it. I was excited to do league starts. I got poe 2 played 250 hours 4 characters it was fun but I hate tower juicing maps and not being able to craft better gear. This limbo of nothing is disappointing as a new player since I always heard people hyping up ggg for being decent game devs.
@@Slitheringpeanut overpromise? Yes. Underdeliver? Hell no. The current version of poe1 is the most balanced, streamlined version ever. Almost everything we had 3 years ago is now improved and stables of the game. I always say the skill tree is PoE's crown jewel but seriously, the atlas tree is getting closer and closer to the skill tree in terms of game changing modifications and probably one of the best things in the game rn
A regular weekly patch timeline for EA is the answer. If something isnt ready that week, it quietly doesn't go into the patch. We would never know. Consistency is the key. Some weeks might have more changes while others don't. At least we know every Friday there is something new to see.
How can you say this sentence with straight face "I should of predicted no one working on POE1 will lead to no work done on POE1" ??? and you needed 6 months to realize that ???
Obviously you did not get the Massage at all. But yeah, was maybe a little confusing. They thought they would get it done till the very end even if using poe1 core Team for poe2. But problems kept on rising so they decided they need to adress them first. They fucked up planning and were honest about it. But they could not have foreseen the troubles to be honest. Other Studios dont have to defend every small ingame decision they make because people dont feel so entitled. Maybe GGGs Problem is that they are to open to the community, which is sad. Sad how sad people are undermining the good relationship the Company had with their community.
For real. This entire situation is embarrassing as fuck for a dev team with 10+ years experience. There's zero excuse for them to release a sequel in a worse state than the previous game is currently in. It's no different than when Bungie released D2 with all the mistakes in it that they'd spent years fixing in D1.
@@moritze.7788 its just sad how unaware you are and blame entitlement of players, then they were literally doing nothing on poe 1 and lieing every month patch next month then no one was even working on it AND NO ONE STILL IS he literally said they will asign devs yhen they done with poe2 0.2.0... you literally dumb..
I just don't get this weird tribalism over this news. Poe 2 fans seem to be arrogant gloaters and poe 1 fans are being angry doomers. Gamers need to learn how to express their emotions in a healthy way lmao. This is undeniably bad news and (imo) shows mismanagement on ggg's part. However, since poe 2 was kind of boring to me I'm just going to do something else until they drop something interesting. Maybe try talking to a girl idk they seem scary
Honestly haven't seen a single person gloating over the news, although have no doubt they exists. After Ben's video it became very popular to hate on the POE2 side too. Now people unironically justify threatening developers because "they want to be heard", say GGG is the next Blizzard, both games are doomed, developers that made one of the best ARPG ever TWICE are "fully incompetent", etc. News are sad, but people act like entitled babies who've never heard word "no" in their life.
As a PoE2 enjoyer I don't think it was mismanaged from GGG's perspective. This is what they wanted and were trying to do from the very start and this whole "we thought we could pull off both" is just corpo speak to save face. We don't have the total numbers but on steam PoE2 is averaging what PoE1 peaks at day 1 of a new league. And unfortunately I don't think they will be developing both games at the same time. At every interview they keep yapping about how they had to increase scope because they had to rework things from the ground up and they still claim they can do both somehow. I think PoE1 will get 1 more league before PoE2 gets a full release and then it will be put on ice. No new content just re-release old leagues and shuffle them around every three months.
GGG - Sorry guys, we messed up Players - This really sucks that they messed things up Boot lickers - why are you so doom and gloom? everything they do is perfect. even my mom says Jonathan was perfect last night
@@gearhead417 I don't think you looked up the definition before posting a reply.... I never understand why people do that. it takes 2 seconds. now you just look silly.
People are out here acting like this isnt a free game that they have put thousands of hours into already. Like I know it sucks new content for PoE1 isnt coming out just yet. But this is like the biggest go touch grass problem ever. The world isnt going to end if PoE1 doesnt get new content for like a year. Go play other games. Hell go play other builds in PoE1. Its going to be ok.
People are out here acting like its not ok for people to have a salty taste in their mouths after a game that they like and play consistently stops receiving updates because the supporter pack money went towards a game they never asked for based on the mode that nobody played from the original. And that the news that they have no immediate plans for poe1 came conveniently after supporter packs sold. I agree with you, the world isnt over, but my supporter pack purchases certainly are!
@@KineticCode My guy its a free game. It didnt stop getting updates. Its just going to take longer for the next one. Also stop acting like you are entitled to how GGG spends the money they are given. Acting like no one asked for PoE2 when in its first month it has been more popular than PoE1 has even been is wild. PoE1 for as good as it is did not bring in new players. Which is something games like this needs. Settlers was a great league and was their most popular league and it still paled in comparison to PoE2 EA numbers. So yeah people were asking for PoE2. Also you seem to not understand how supporter packs work. Packs are used to help fund future projects. Not just PoE1. The whole point is you give the company money to "SUPPORT" them for the content they just gave you in that league. That is why they dont sell supporter packs for future leagues. So again stop acting entitled. If you dont want to spend your money on the game that is fine. But how that money is spent doesnt matter. You are supporting the studio not the game itself.
9:50 i'm really really really really hateful toward change on poe 2 crafting i think it was most stupid moronic self cuasing harm done by ggg. I was expecting them to give us simplified trimmed version of poe crafting and further develop crafting in both game same time and make sure crafting is basically become industry standart like wasd become from fps games. But they creating unnececery division and confusing like reversing tier order. T1 top tier is best because it simple easy to glance on items when you know all you need t1 and t2 maaaaybe t3. They creating more problems than solving. They wasting dev time on creating a shitty version of crafting. They creation division. Poe 2 also funnel to poe as well do they really want us to waste time on learning 2 different crafting system when they should kept 1 crafting system to double reward people learn crafting with 2 game? As a indie game developer myself i hope i can join ggg one day so i can push stuff XD Soo my unhinged hate reaction is wanting to join to ggg so i can voice my opinion inside ggg XD
I stepped away after necropolis as i was burnt out planning to come back the next league but then they just rolled necropolis into it and really looking forward to new league soon. Maybe poe2 and this break breaks my playing it all together
I just really hope that once they start working on 3.26, they don't just rush it to get something out quickly. If an extra month will help them make a better 3.26 league, they might as well just delay it for that extra month, we've waited this long already, I don't think people will notice that they needed an extra month. 3.26 better be another 3.18, but better.
11k hours here in poe1 and i am from taiwan, in our glob chat is all about who is the chad that rush 36 points unlock all skin and give everything out for free. and rest of player maybe my guild and my other friend guild are same. so 95% player in muti guild are playing poe1 to prove that they can rush 36 in week or two and be like "free all my item ggnoobs" i am sure there ALOT of other asian glob chat are the same. thats why i see alot of player in my guild for 2 weeks then empty down to like 2-5 player XD
I don't understand lily's point about "people buy supporter packs and feel like they're shareholders" as if mocking it. If I give ggg money it's because I like what they're doing and want them to continue. But if they suddenly change their perspective and do something I don't want, especially right after me giving them money, then it does feel like I've been scammed. The simplest way to explain it is that if I knew that this is the direction they would take, I would not have bought the supporter pack.
Because supporter packs are a thank you for the current content. That is why they release at the start of the league and not right before a new one. Also you werent scammed because they gave you something for supporting the game. Like its not hard to understand.
One of the reason for the massive lows for the game is definitely trade situation. Most people play sc trade and are used to trade being there. When that isn't there anymore, replayability hinders because people aren't used to farm out 'materials' for progression.
imagine giving someone an iV drip of dopamine for 13 years and then suddenly telling them it's existence is in question... its pretty obvious why people are pissed
I like how he's just, so full of shit about even trying to run both games simultaneously. If he actually wanted to do that he'd be putting the team back on PoE1, it's fucking obvious that he doesn't want PoE1 around anymore
PoE 1 is the greatest game I have ever played, it is a master piece (don't ask me why) PoE 2 is not even on my top 10 (it is a good game though, I had fun)
I've never been a doomer when it comes to GGG but this is some quit the game kinda shit for people who don't like POE2. Never thought I'd get the Blizzard treatment from GGG
Yeeeeeee. PoE 2 is going to be on fire, period. PoE 1 was starving for 2 or so years and got no food for half a year or so now. Out of the 10 last leagues, like 7 are basically gone or got their assets reused, and the 8th is undead. Probably they'll want to drop a PoE 1 league 2 months after PoE2(at least imo) , and with no timeline for the latter in sight, PoE 1 is like 3+ months out from now. Settlers wasn't that good that people'll show up for it's birthday party. As a company they probably made the right choice long-term. I just feel like they could have snuck in a legacy league right about now, possibly delaying 0.2.0 by a few weeks but making pretty much everyone a lot more happy, on average. Am I coping
They could take all the negative attention off PoE 2 by releasing 3.26, so that people could play a proper ARPG that everyone wants. Instead, we'll be stuck for a year with the "early access" of a game that's not even the game that people want to play. None of this is unexpected, but they simply shouldn't have made promises they should have known they wouldn't be able to keep. I guess we glazed GGG too much prematurely. At last, those who said they'd enjoy even playing Standard can savor their words.
I'm a little sad 99% of my mtx dont work in poe2. In general I think people would be more understanding if poe2 was fully out. The mix of poe2 being half baked and poe1 being starved feels a little unsetteling. Hope they find their footing.
I think it's just bottled up frustration. Like they were waiting for a league for some news, end of january comes so they hope for some news, and the news is that not only was GGG not doing the league before another poe2 patch, but also the fact that they didn't even start making a poe1 league in the first place.
@ and the devs wont be moved to poe 1 until poe 2 0.2 ? if i remember it right so yeah feels like ashit as someone who wanted the betreyal rework mark promised how ironic
@@Sinocrez they are basically on same 150 people they were last couple of years, NZ hiring is shit because hiring outside of NZ to NZ means they have to have a good declared reason why they need that person. That being said they had 3 years to sort this staff issue.
I would be 100% fine with the PoE1 delay if they'd just give Standard the currency exchange. I can't live without it anymore, and Standard, while maybe not as alive as temp league, at least has all my cool stuff in it.
They are opposed to events like the old Merveil/Piety/Dominus races b/c they don't improve any metrics for the company. IOW; they don't attract new players, improve retention rates, or sell MTX or supporter packs(according to GGG).
They can say this, but surely an economy reset with ANYTHING is a dramatic improvement. Pohx's private league has ~25,000 members in roughly a day, despite being 3.25 version 18 and only a few streamers talking about it. There is objectively some demand for SOMETHING.
To the shareholder investment comment, I mean this is completely the case, but it's not so much about money as it is about TIME. Think about all the time we have spent learning the game, testing builds, figuring out what works and what doesn't, and then money as well. PoE is a HUGE investment, and most of us aren't making money off of playing it like you streamers are. PoE is a game that asks a lot of the average player. So it's understandable that PoE 1 autists are going to be upset when the future of it suddenly becomes unclear.
One other point I'd like to add. The game has no modding community due to it being completely imprisoned on GGG's servers. If it had an offline mode that allowed mods, there would be a lot less people upset, as that alone can breathe a lot of life into the game, life that in the current situation is completely reliant on league resets.
Well that's pretty obvious because that would piss people off more. But the OP builds aren't necessary to play to "finish" the game killing all pinnacle bosses 4x times etc with normal and budget builds. Popular streamers have just given you this idea there is nothing else to play. So if you stop playing due to no economy reset that is just a dumb reason. Would make more sense to stop playing because you're not having fun. But if you're not having fun because you're comparing yourself to others then that is a you issue that you can fix.
just give us horizon orb where it's possible to reroll map based on biome, at least we could make the experience in mapping endgame a little less frustrating
I think the best way is to fix : 1. Waystone/Map Tab 2. Gem Tabs needs more space 3. Gem system needs revisiting cause a lot of builds are bricking up with 1 support gem rule for 1 skill gem 4. Spirit reservation needs more nodes on passive tree 5. Melee needs a rework/revisit 6. Trial of Sekhema/Chaos needs rebalancing cause how hard it is to just get your ascendancy 7. Price inflation needs fixing 8. Need more different types of orbs especially an orb that could turn anything to white rare back 9. Fragments and to find the key to the burning monolith and map quest is crazy rng 10. Bugs especially Traitor’s Passage and certain boss are not highlighted correctly after killing them 11. Certain skill gems bugged and could not be used after crafting
"I don't have empathy. It's a fucking video game go play something else" - You are only saying this because you are enjoying the new game. Are you saying you wouldn't be at least a bit annoyed if they also stopped the development of PoE2? You don't care because it doesn't affect you. That's a really shitty mentality to have.
I'm sorry but the people crying about all this is just sad and ridiculous. PoE 1 is 10+ years old now. If your life is turned upside down because a game at this age is having some delays in new stuff, I think you need to reflect on some life choices. Ben's take about the state of PoE2 was insane, he basically complained about it being a beta and being in a beta state (well no shit lol). If you worked on something for over 10 years and now you have something new to work on, of course you'd want to focus more on the new thing.
God forbid some people's 10+ year hobby be turned upside down and them be upset. Obviously the vast extremes are insanity, but it's completely fine to be sad that your primary hobby is being, at bare minimum, short term discontinued. Acting like it isn't is a really weird high-road better than you type argument, especially if it's because it's "just pixels bro". "I wouldn't be upset at all if something I've enjoyed for many years was discontinued for 6 months" is a crazy take.
@subparpt it's not like the game is being taken down or anything, it's just a delay in some new content. I'm more commenting on the people acting like this is the worst thing in the world and that GGG is doing some shitty. Ben's take were also a bit unfair too, basically complained about PoE2 being in a beta state while it being in a beta. Came out around the holidays, they took their time off as they deserve like anyone else and they put out some pretty quick patches for quite a bit already. Some grass touching is needed by some for sure.
@@ohitsjuddis not just a delay that's the problem. they didn't even gave a fresh start so people can play it again from scratch, we don't mind no new content for a while. we just wanted to have a league start again on a fresh economy, that's the main reason people come back to poe 1 league after league, don't need to put a lot of resources into developing anything new for a long time if the did that and could focus on poe2, but they chose to do jack shit for the people who supported them for the past 10 years
@@Francorocco valid point, could just do a simple restart, won't argue on that. I still think people are acting a bit entitled around all of this. Again it's not like they have taken the game offline. People are doing private leagues, can always do ssf, etc...
just play more other game, currently farming torchlight infinite, until feb 28 monster hunter launch, i'm glad that poe1 is delay not crash with other game launch time lol
@@alvo621 I mentioned that they should do a Legacy style league themed after PoE2 where each map randomly has a Delirium Mirror/Ritual/Breach/Expedition, then Sanctums and Ultimatums can have extra reward uniques. Settlers is already pretty good, and resetting to just more Necropolis and Settlers would be boring.
20k of us are doing just that with Phox's league, and the only reason it's not more is because that's the cap. So safe to say there's plenty of demand for a simple rest.
@@redaffix7320part of the end game complaint in poe2 is that you can't target farm as well as you can in Poe. I think doing that would just tick off players
i just hope if theres a new update theres no nore new mechanics cause there is really to much of it already its better to just work on it and make it better and if they want new just make a League with new rewards like colabing with other game to get there costume or something like in Black Desert colab with the witcher game
the players who played POE2 and are interested in POE1 will try out POE1 for the first time and 95% of those players will drop in the first 5 hours and thinking what a shit game it is. many POE1 players who played the game for a long time are just not able to see how bad the early game of POE1 really is for a new player.
That´s why PoE2 is the perfect TUTORIAL to get into PoE1. YOu are familiar with many of the systems and once you are in maps you see how much better the endgame is and won´t accpt the PoE2 endgame.
Oh we know. I have over 1000 hours and still have some difficulties, I've still never properly learned betrayal. I much prefer having crafting and Poe end game more than what I like in poe2
But poe 2 isn't original. It's just poe1 with minor changes, and poe 1 is just diablo 2 with some changes. Not to mention the fact that it's a sequel means that by definition it cannot be original
Embarrassing a team with 10+ years experience made these mistakes. If he couldnt see that removing people from one would cause work to slow down on one then he needs to be fired. Theres no way they didnt realise months ago where things were going and if they didnt realise then they should be fired. It was pride and areogance that caused this situation and their bs apology just showed the cracks in their process
I fully understand the strategic development direction and focus on POE2 and it is the right choice to make ! Even if PoE1 releases its best league yet in 3.26, its impact will likely remain limited to the existing PoE1 player base. Personally, I’ve tried PoE1 multiple times, but I just can’t get into it-the graphics, the overall feel... Sure, it has more content, "obviously," but as long as POE1 is frame in all these elements that made GGG create PoE2 (because PoE1 can't be better in those aspects), we can easily conclude that PoE1 has reach its max potential.
GGG spent so much more money marketing PoE2 than anything in history of poe 1 combined to get three times of the playerbase of poe 1. And poe 2 is literally years from being half decent game that people will spent money on every few months on the regular. It is strategic to develop poe 2 but shooting your main cash cow that was ultraprofitable for years is stupid 😂
@ marketing ? Where ? I didn’t see Megan Fox and McDonald’s x PoE like we saw for Diablo. Flying people to LA to test the game is a lot of marking for you ?
@DementoPowerful paying 1 per 2 subs to streamers of poe 2 for a while, spending money on making entire cinematic, they gave more interviews in two months than they did in last 13 years combined. I am not saying they spend marketing budget akin to other studios but for GGG it was a lot of money spent to promote it.
"I don't have empathy, play something else" Would be ironic if they stopped on PoE2 as well considering you stream this game. I don't have empathy for entitled streamers get a real job
Jesus Christ I thought the destiny community was emotional lol, people need to understand GGG isnt a giant studio and at least you're still getting poe 1 updates they may be later than expected but you are still getting them. Also if you really didnt see this coming you're kidding yourself.
Imagine having to play the same league in a game where you can literally choose the content you want to do! Does it suck ass? Absolutely! But let's not pretend most people aren't just gonna play the same builds, and run the same content they always do regardless if a new league is out.
Everyone who is upset couse of this decision is not normal, how many years is Poe1 free to play 10 years l think so why r people crying about grow up u will get the new content! GGG doesn't own u anything they made u a great 1st game 10 years of playing, yes u bought some cosmetics and other staff but that's ur decision not theirs! Go and play something else for a while and let them work and develop properly Poe2
they could have hired more people, they did not. they could not have released before going on vacation, no reasonable company does this, it is a fucking joke in software to release on a friday before a holiday - yet they did this they did all of this because they thought they could do it and the push back would be less than the profit.
There is no shot that many people coming into POE1 will enjoy it. Its not new player friendly, so i dont think their be much retention. I hope that both games get equal treatment in game development when POE 2 goes live. I have my doubts, considering Jonathan is the head guy and seems to be favoriting his passion project atm.
@@gearhead417 nope, the entirety of GGG is run by both Jonathan and Mark. I was shocked that Jonathan was speaking for POE 1 and seems to be ahead of both games.
We agree with Lily. All these YT Content Creators really need to take a concrete pill . Our Group have been playing POE (2010+) long before Streamers did and our advice is to stop getting all concerned about a game that in the end is free, and is just about being a pixelkiller of 2D and 3D images on a computer screen to relax from RL issues like work or study . People just need to relax and just accept things take time to develop and progress . If people are so bored and want to distract themselves about not getting POE Updates/fixes etc , do something else, play something else and have patience. Rage quitting or btching about issues etc isn't going to solve anything when people are doing what they can to solve the issues that we all as Players know about. The GGG Team are doing what they can when then can with the resources that they have . We have known them in Auckland since Chris had hair and they all ate less pizza. We play POE1 and 2 from Ukraine and work as Humanitarian Aid Workers etc and save lives daily. People should be more concerned in what is happening in the World and the waves that are being generated that will soon come crashing on everyone's shorelines.
ppl still have trust on ggg..they did recover from lots of shit stuff that happens...but let see how good poe1 new league will be..i didnt enjoy poe2 till they release more end game mechanics
GGG needs to stealth drop a waystone tab real talk. All this drama is very entertaining, but keeping it a hunnit, its wild a waystone tab isnt in the game yet.
ya kinda bs its not in yet, i dont have room for all of this shit and im not getting more tabs, esp after the poe1 thing
Yeah, it's bonkers they haven't adapted the Maps stash tab from PoE1 to work in PoE2 as Waystones stash tab. What are they thinking, really?
@HDJess they may be sharing assets so if they changed the tab maybe it would affect the poe1 map tab. Just spitballing
Unless whole system is on it's way into the carbage can
For real. They give us a flask tab but not a map tab?!
"OMG, why are you eating food?" - ds_lily
I think she is pandering into some fetish.
I think that is the first non-euclidian burp I have ever heard.
It's the kind of sound you really don't want to hear when it's dark out. I played too much left4dead dood
i guess ill just play minecraft or something for a couple months cause poe 2's endgame is pretty meh
lmao minecraft doesn't even have an end game shits made for kids
Looks like you never play Minecraft at least with good mods it not have endgame because it have gameplay through all game.
I'm playing Meatballcraft, it's pretty good if you like expert packs it's not grindy like others are but it's a hefty boi.
@ every game has gameplay throughout the game LMAO
@@CharltonHoward yes but not every game have a good gameplay through all game time
poe 3.26 - migration - you start poe1 client and poe2 client just starts
Lily sounded like a raptor when mathil came up 😂😂
With settlers of kallgur being my first league I'm sad we won't get 3.26 until who knows, I put 400 hours in before I was over it. I was excited to do league starts. I got poe 2 played 250 hours 4 characters it was fun but I hate tower juicing maps and not being able to craft better gear. This limbo of nothing is disappointing as a new player since I always heard people hyping up ggg for being decent game devs.
They are decent, this is just uncharted territory for them and they’re doing their best.
Imagine how broken poe2 would be without the best devs on it
These aren't the even good devs. This has been their pattern for the last 14 years. Overpromise, underdeliver.
@@Slitheringpeanut guess you never seen bad devs
@@Slitheringpeanut overpromise? Yes. Underdeliver? Hell no. The current version of poe1 is the most balanced, streamlined version ever. Almost everything we had 3 years ago is now improved and stables of the game. I always say the skill tree is PoE's crown jewel but seriously, the atlas tree is getting closer and closer to the skill tree in terms of game changing modifications and probably one of the best things in the game rn
Bro Poe 2 is so bad it feels like blizzard made it lol
@@Slitheringpeanutnah thats not true
A regular weekly patch timeline for EA is the answer. If something isnt ready that week, it quietly doesn't go into the patch. We would never know. Consistency is the key. Some weeks might have more changes while others don't. At least we know every Friday there is something new to see.
They killed poe 1 and gave us poe 1 from 2015.
becoming more and more obvious that Chris Wilson was GGG.
Getting mad Blizzard north death vibes.....
That's the same feeling I got. Hopefully we'll be proven wrong.
What i found helpful in situations like this one is to stop giving a f about video games in general and poe in particular. Chill out and relax bois
How can you say this sentence with straight face "I should of predicted no one working on POE1 will lead to no work done on POE1" ??? and you needed 6 months to realize that ???
That was a "fire me" statement. So weird
Saying it was a mistake but then also say you're not going to rectify it anytime soon
Obviously you did not get the Massage at all. But yeah, was maybe a little confusing. They thought they would get it done till the very end even if using poe1 core Team for poe2. But problems kept on rising so they decided they need to adress them first. They fucked up planning and were honest about it. But they could not have foreseen the troubles to be honest. Other Studios dont have to defend every small ingame decision they make because people dont feel so entitled. Maybe GGGs Problem is that they are to open to the community, which is sad. Sad how sad people are undermining the good relationship the Company had with their community.
For real. This entire situation is embarrassing as fuck for a dev team with 10+ years experience. There's zero excuse for them to release a sequel in a worse state than the previous game is currently in. It's no different than when Bungie released D2 with all the mistakes in it that they'd spent years fixing in D1.
@@moritze.7788 its just sad how unaware you are and blame entitlement of players, then they were literally doing nothing on poe 1 and lieing every month patch next month then no one was even working on it AND NO ONE STILL IS he literally said they will asign devs yhen they done with poe2 0.2.0... you literally dumb..
when mathil said touch grass i felt that 😂
I just don't get this weird tribalism over this news. Poe 2 fans seem to be arrogant gloaters and poe 1 fans are being angry doomers. Gamers need to learn how to express their emotions in a healthy way lmao. This is undeniably bad news and (imo) shows mismanagement on ggg's part. However, since poe 2 was kind of boring to me I'm just going to do something else until they drop something interesting. Maybe try talking to a girl idk they seem scary
@@a.t3415 this sounds accurate to me, well said
Honestly haven't seen a single person gloating over the news, although have no doubt they exists. After Ben's video it became very popular to hate on the POE2 side too. Now people unironically justify threatening developers because "they want to be heard", say GGG is the next Blizzard, both games are doomed, developers that made one of the best ARPG ever TWICE are "fully incompetent", etc. News are sad, but people act like entitled babies who've never heard word "no" in their life.
There are tons of gloaters and its dumb as hell.
thats poe base all along... since 2013, when devs needed to ask hardcore players to stop grieving softcore players. you must be new here...
As a PoE2 enjoyer I don't think it was mismanaged from GGG's perspective. This is what they wanted and were trying to do from the very start and this whole "we thought we could pull off both" is just corpo speak to save face. We don't have the total numbers but on steam PoE2 is averaging what PoE1 peaks at day 1 of a new league.
And unfortunately I don't think they will be developing both games at the same time. At every interview they keep yapping about how they had to increase scope because they had to rework things from the ground up and they still claim they can do both somehow. I think PoE1 will get 1 more league before PoE2 gets a full release and then it will be put on ice. No new content just re-release old leagues and shuffle them around every three months.
GGG - Sorry guys, we messed up
Players - This really sucks that they messed things up
Boot lickers - why are you so doom and gloom? everything they do is perfect. even my mom says Jonathan was perfect last night
I dont think you know what bootlicker means.
@@gearhead417 I don't think you looked up the definition before posting a reply.... I never understand why people do that. it takes 2 seconds. now you just look silly.
People are out here acting like this isnt a free game that they have put thousands of hours into already. Like I know it sucks new content for PoE1 isnt coming out just yet. But this is like the biggest go touch grass problem ever. The world isnt going to end if PoE1 doesnt get new content for like a year. Go play other games. Hell go play other builds in PoE1. Its going to be ok.
People are out here acting like its not ok for people to have a salty taste in their mouths after a game that they like and play consistently stops receiving updates because the supporter pack money went towards a game they never asked for based on the mode that nobody played from the original. And that the news that they have no immediate plans for poe1 came conveniently after supporter packs sold. I agree with you, the world isnt over, but my supporter pack purchases certainly are!
@@KineticCodecry harder
Amen
@@KineticCode My guy its a free game. It didnt stop getting updates. Its just going to take longer for the next one. Also stop acting like you are entitled to how GGG spends the money they are given. Acting like no one asked for PoE2 when in its first month it has been more popular than PoE1 has even been is wild. PoE1 for as good as it is did not bring in new players. Which is something games like this needs. Settlers was a great league and was their most popular league and it still paled in comparison to PoE2 EA numbers. So yeah people were asking for PoE2.
Also you seem to not understand how supporter packs work. Packs are used to help fund future projects. Not just PoE1. The whole point is you give the company money to "SUPPORT" them for the content they just gave you in that league. That is why they dont sell supporter packs for future leagues. So again stop acting entitled. If you dont want to spend your money on the game that is fine. But how that money is spent doesnt matter. You are supporting the studio not the game itself.
@@KineticCode nerd go touch grass
9:50 i'm really really really really hateful toward change on poe 2 crafting i think it was most stupid moronic self cuasing harm done by ggg. I was expecting them to give us simplified trimmed version of poe crafting and further develop crafting in both game same time and make sure crafting is basically become industry standart like wasd become from fps games. But they creating unnececery division and confusing like reversing tier order. T1 top tier is best because it simple easy to glance on items when you know all you need t1 and t2 maaaaybe t3. They creating more problems than solving. They wasting dev time on creating a shitty version of crafting. They creation division. Poe 2 also funnel to poe as well do they really want us to waste time on learning 2 different crafting system when they should kept 1 crafting system to double reward people learn crafting with 2 game? As a indie game developer myself i hope i can join ggg one day so i can push stuff XD Soo my unhinged hate reaction is wanting to join to ggg so i can voice my opinion inside ggg XD
I stepped away after necropolis as i was burnt out planning to come back the next league but then they just rolled necropolis into it and really looking forward to new league soon. Maybe poe2 and this break breaks my playing it all together
I just really hope that once they start working on 3.26, they don't just rush it to get something out quickly. If an extra month will help them make a better 3.26 league, they might as well just delay it for that extra month, we've waited this long already, I don't think people will notice that they needed an extra month. 3.26 better be another 3.18, but better.
11k hours here in poe1 and i am from taiwan, in our glob chat is all about who is the chad that rush 36 points unlock all skin and give everything out for free. and rest of player maybe my guild and my other friend guild are same. so 95% player in muti guild are playing poe1 to prove that they can rush 36 in week or two and be like "free all my item ggnoobs" i am sure there ALOT of other asian glob chat are the same. thats why i see alot of player in my guild for 2 weeks then empty down to like 2-5 player XD
I'll have forgot all about PoE2 by the time it's released.
Hire more people.....I want more Microtransactions right stat now
I'm shaken to the core, ive been getting consistent dopamine every 3 months and now I'm at 7 months cold turkey. Ofc I'm agitated.
time to get a life
I don't understand lily's point about "people buy supporter packs and feel like they're shareholders" as if mocking it. If I give ggg money it's because I like what they're doing and want them to continue. But if they suddenly change their perspective and do something I don't want, especially right after me giving them money, then it does feel like I've been scammed. The simplest way to explain it is that if I knew that this is the direction they would take, I would not have bought the supporter pack.
Because supporter packs are a thank you for the current content. That is why they release at the start of the league and not right before a new one. Also you werent scammed because they gave you something for supporting the game. Like its not hard to understand.
One of the reason for the massive lows for the game is definitely trade situation. Most people play sc trade and are used to trade being there. When that isn't there anymore, replayability hinders because people aren't used to farm out 'materials' for progression.
imagine giving someone an iV drip of dopamine for 13 years and then suddenly telling them it's existence is in question... its pretty obvious why people are pissed
Yeah, because they are not able to control their thoughts and emotions like little drug addicts. Tells a lot.
You all must be new to GGG. I've been playing since 0.8c and lemme tell ya, GGG are masters of overpromising and underdelivering. See you next patch.
Mathil the perfect voice of reason.
OMG WHY ARE YOU EATING FOOD
It's like getting a second child and suddenly you need to divide your attention raising 2 children
Yeah that was a really weird thing Ziz said. Like obviously the new child requires more attention.
@@gearhead417 a baby like PoE2 needs 24/7 surveillance while a teenager like PoE1 can go to the toilet on it's own. 😆
I like how he's just, so full of shit about even trying to run both games simultaneously. If he actually wanted to do that he'd be putting the team back on PoE1, it's fucking obvious that he doesn't want PoE1 around anymore
PoE 1 is the greatest game I have ever played, it is a master piece (don't ask me why)
PoE 2 is not even on my top 10 (it is a good game though, I had fun)
poe1 was garbage when it released my guy lmao
@@CharltonHoward Of course it was, I agree. But I am referring to what it is now.
I've never been a doomer when it comes to GGG but this is some quit the game kinda shit for people who don't like POE2. Never thought I'd get the Blizzard treatment from GGG
Same here.
I'm sure both games will have harmony and balance in the future, we must not lose hope exiles! :D
Yeeeeeee.
PoE 2 is going to be on fire, period. PoE 1 was starving for 2 or so years and got no food for half a year or so now. Out of the 10 last leagues, like 7 are basically gone or got their assets reused, and the 8th is undead. Probably they'll want to drop a PoE 1 league 2 months after PoE2(at least imo) , and with no timeline for the latter in sight, PoE 1 is like 3+ months out from now. Settlers wasn't that good that people'll show up for it's birthday party.
As a company they probably made the right choice long-term. I just feel like they could have snuck in a legacy league right about now, possibly delaying 0.2.0 by a few weeks but making pretty much everyone a lot more happy, on average. Am I coping
Poe 1 players seem like the most entitled players PoE has the most content any game has ever had and still want more
They could take all the negative attention off PoE 2 by releasing 3.26, so that people could play a proper ARPG that everyone wants. Instead, we'll be stuck for a year with the "early access" of a game that's not even the game that people want to play. None of this is unexpected, but they simply shouldn't have made promises they should have known they wouldn't be able to keep. I guess we glazed GGG too much prematurely. At last, those who said they'd enjoy even playing Standard can savor their words.
I'm a little sad 99% of my mtx dont work in poe2. In general I think people would be more understanding if poe2 was fully out. The mix of poe2 being half baked and poe1 being starved feels a little unsetteling. Hope they find their footing.
They just shouldn't have released poe 2 yet. It clearly wasn't ready.
I think some poe1 players would cry more over poe1 actually dying than their literal child, or at least the redditors
Chris was right, they have our souls. PoE is life.
poe is the reason i dont have a child
I think it's just bottled up frustration. Like they were waiting for a league for some news, end of january comes so they hope for some news, and the news is that not only was GGG not doing the league before another poe2 patch, but also the fact that they didn't even start making a poe1 league in the first place.
@ and the devs wont be moved to poe 1 until poe 2 0.2 ? if i remember it right so yeah feels like ashit as someone who wanted the betreyal rework mark promised how ironic
Maybe they can't figure out how to pump out mtx fast enough for both games
Theyre getting a lot of revenue, i dont understand how badly understaffed they must be
@@Sinocrez they are basically on same 150 people they were last couple of years, NZ hiring is shit because hiring outside of NZ to NZ means they have to have a good declared reason why they need that person. That being said they had 3 years to sort this staff issue.
The fact that GGG matched subs 2:1 makes all streamers have an incentive to stream poe2, and be reluctant to go back
I would be 100% fine with the PoE1 delay if they'd just give Standard the currency exchange. I can't live without it anymore, and Standard, while maybe not as alive as temp league, at least has all my cool stuff in it.
I just want them to merge the league into Standard. Been waiting for months to put all my stuff into my Standard stashes.
They are opposed to events like the old Merveil/Piety/Dominus races b/c they don't improve any metrics for the company. IOW; they don't attract new players, improve retention rates, or sell MTX or supporter packs(according to GGG).
Also 15:33 you're disgusting. :)
They can say this, but surely an economy reset with ANYTHING is a dramatic improvement. Pohx's private league has ~25,000 members in roughly a day, despite being 3.25 version 18 and only a few streamers talking about it. There is objectively some demand for SOMETHING.
To the shareholder investment comment, I mean this is completely the case, but it's not so much about money as it is about TIME. Think about all the time we have spent learning the game, testing builds, figuring out what works and what doesn't, and then money as well. PoE is a HUGE investment, and most of us aren't making money off of playing it like you streamers are. PoE is a game that asks a lot of the average player. So it's understandable that PoE 1 autists are going to be upset when the future of it suddenly becomes unclear.
One other point I'd like to add. The game has no modding community due to it being completely imprisoned on GGG's servers. If it had an offline mode that allowed mods, there would be a lot less people upset, as that alone can breathe a lot of life into the game, life that in the current situation is completely reliant on league resets.
"burbing" = +100 Moral
poe 2 bad
Deciding not to make big sweeping changes until an economy reset killed any interest remaining I had in poe2 for now
Well that's pretty obvious because that would piss people off more. But the OP builds aren't necessary to play to "finish" the game killing all pinnacle bosses 4x times etc with normal and budget builds. Popular streamers have just given you this idea there is nothing else to play. So if you stop playing due to no economy reset that is just a dumb reason. Would make more sense to stop playing because you're not having fun. But if you're not having fun because you're comparing yourself to others then that is a you issue that you can fix.
Cannot believe she is eating in this vid. The nerve.
I do not care. My opinion will not influence their development progress. So I might as well shut up and wait
I whish they did settlers + affliction league the hardnes on the end game maps will be insane
They're settling with settlers
15:35 what in tarnation?
hello fresh valid in all countries kappa chungus.. Rip south america
just give us horizon orb where it's possible to reroll map based on biome, at least we could make the experience in mapping endgame a little less frustrating
I think the best way is to fix :
1. Waystone/Map Tab
2. Gem Tabs needs more space
3. Gem system needs revisiting cause a lot of builds are bricking up with 1 support gem rule for 1 skill gem
4. Spirit reservation needs more nodes on passive tree
5. Melee needs a rework/revisit
6. Trial of Sekhema/Chaos needs rebalancing cause how hard it is to just get your ascendancy
7. Price inflation needs fixing
8. Need more different types of orbs especially an orb that could turn anything to white rare back
9. Fragments and to find the key to the burning monolith and map quest is crazy rng
10. Bugs especially Traitor’s Passage and certain boss are not highlighted correctly after killing them
11. Certain skill gems bugged and could not be used after crafting
"I don't have empathy. It's a fucking video game go play something else" - You are only saying this because you are enjoying the new game. Are you saying you wouldn't be at least a bit annoyed if they also stopped the development of PoE2? You don't care because it doesn't affect you. That's a really shitty mentality to have.
Most of us would play other games. You should do the same.
@@Azmodaii missing the point entirely. good job.
@@zerucos boo hoo, grow up.
@@Azmodaii I should grow up because you missed my original point? I honestly don't understand you.
Lol what an L take
10:10 "...Meth-il..." ay ya-ya
1.5 speed gang. I can fix her.
I've been telling plebs who got filtered by PoE2 to go back to PoE1, so what do I tell them now bros
Same... Game still here lol
OMG WHY ARE YOU EATING FOOD!
You'll eat your shoe if they cut full support to poe 1? good luck buddy looks like you're gonna be munching on some shoes in 2030
I'm sorry but the people crying about all this is just sad and ridiculous. PoE 1 is 10+ years old now. If your life is turned upside down because a game at this age is having some delays in new stuff, I think you need to reflect on some life choices. Ben's take about the state of PoE2 was insane, he basically complained about it being a beta and being in a beta state (well no shit lol). If you worked on something for over 10 years and now you have something new to work on, of course you'd want to focus more on the new thing.
God forbid some people's 10+ year hobby be turned upside down and them be upset. Obviously the vast extremes are insanity, but it's completely fine to be sad that your primary hobby is being, at bare minimum, short term discontinued. Acting like it isn't is a really weird high-road better than you type argument, especially if it's because it's "just pixels bro".
"I wouldn't be upset at all if something I've enjoyed for many years was discontinued for 6 months" is a crazy take.
@subparpt it's not like the game is being taken down or anything, it's just a delay in some new content. I'm more commenting on the people acting like this is the worst thing in the world and that GGG is doing some shitty. Ben's take were also a bit unfair too, basically complained about PoE2 being in a beta state while it being in a beta. Came out around the holidays, they took their time off as they deserve like anyone else and they put out some pretty quick patches for quite a bit already. Some grass touching is needed by some for sure.
@@ohitsjuddis not just a delay that's the problem. they didn't even gave a fresh start so people can play it again from scratch, we don't mind no new content for a while. we just wanted to have a league start again on a fresh economy, that's the main reason people come back to poe 1 league after league, don't need to put a lot of resources into developing anything new for a long time if the did that and could focus on poe2, but they chose to do jack shit for the people who supported them for the past 10 years
@@Francorocco valid point, could just do a simple restart, won't argue on that. I still think people are acting a bit entitled around all of this. Again it's not like they have taken the game offline. People are doing private leagues, can always do ssf, etc...
What are you even talking about people love poe1 can you imagine if blizzard stopped making WoW people would probably kill themselves get a clue
Ive been pretty disappointed in some of the POE community recently. Not you Lily, but seems like a lot of entitled thinking people in POE.
Just let POE 1 die, embrace POE 2, it's the future.
just play more other game, currently farming torchlight infinite, until feb 28 monster hunter launch, i'm glad that poe1 is delay not crash with other game launch time lol
If they did a fresh restart for settlers, would you play it?
It depends on if there's new content. I have done just about everything in the game besides dropping a raw mirror, so nothing new to see there ATM.
@@alvo621 I mentioned that they should do a Legacy style league themed after PoE2 where each map randomly has a Delirium Mirror/Ritual/Breach/Expedition, then Sanctums and Ultimatums can have extra reward uniques. Settlers is already pretty good, and resetting to just more Necropolis and Settlers would be boring.
20k of us are doing just that with Phox's league, and the only reason it's not more is because that's the cap. So safe to say there's plenty of demand for a simple rest.
@@kylechildress536 yep I did not get in
@@redaffix7320part of the end game complaint in poe2 is that you can't target farm as well as you can in Poe. I think doing that would just tick off players
i just hope if theres a new update theres no nore new mechanics cause there is really to much of it already its better to just work on it and make it better and if they want new just make a League with new rewards like colabing with other game to get there costume or something like in Black Desert colab with the witcher game
yooo i have the same reaction as lily when i see mathil
damnit now i want chicken wings.
I do kind of love this GGG was making fun of Blizzard for failing and now they are basically failing even worse love it
You mean the "damn good game"? 🤣🤣
the players who played POE2 and are interested in POE1 will try out POE1 for the first time and 95% of those players will drop in the first 5 hours and thinking what a shit game it is. many POE1 players who played the game for a long time are just not able to see how bad the early game of POE1 really is for a new player.
That´s why PoE2 is the perfect TUTORIAL to get into PoE1. YOu are familiar with many of the systems and once you are in maps you see how much better the endgame is and won´t accpt the PoE2 endgame.
Oh we know. I have over 1000 hours and still have some difficulties, I've still never properly learned betrayal. I much prefer having crafting and Poe end game more than what I like in poe2
a lot of people have never worked on making something original and do not understand how vague statements on results actually are
But poe 2 isn't original. It's just poe1 with minor changes, and poe 1 is just diablo 2 with some changes. Not to mention the fact that it's a sequel means that by definition it cannot be original
This is how drug addicts react when they can't get their drugs
I think the big issue is people not knowing how to let go of their old game.
20:21 Based
lil def keep it hairy
2:28 oooo
Embarrassing a team with 10+ years experience made these mistakes. If he couldnt see that removing people from one would cause work to slow down on one then he needs to be fired. Theres no way they didnt realise months ago where things were going and if they didnt realise then they should be fired. It was pride and areogance that caused this situation and their bs apology just showed the cracks in their process
why does lily talk like that
I fully understand the strategic development direction and focus on POE2 and it is the right choice to make !
Even if PoE1 releases its best league yet in 3.26, its impact will likely remain limited to the existing PoE1 player base.
Personally, I’ve tried PoE1 multiple times, but I just can’t get into it-the graphics, the overall feel... Sure, it has more content, "obviously," but as long as POE1 is frame in all these elements that made GGG create PoE2 (because PoE1 can't be better in those aspects), we can easily conclude that PoE1 has reach its max potential.
GGG spent so much more money marketing PoE2 than anything in history of poe 1 combined to get three times of the playerbase of poe 1. And poe 2 is literally years from being half decent game that people will spent money on every few months on the regular. It is strategic to develop poe 2 but shooting your main cash cow that was ultraprofitable for years is stupid 😂
@ marketing ? Where ? I didn’t see Megan Fox and McDonald’s x PoE like we saw for Diablo.
Flying people to LA to test the game is a lot of marking for you ?
@DementoPowerful paying 1 per 2 subs to streamers of poe 2 for a while, spending money on making entire cinematic, they gave more interviews in two months than they did in last 13 years combined. I am not saying they spend marketing budget akin to other studios but for GGG it was a lot of money spent to promote it.
cant you eat your food later. why on stream? oh my god
Are you high she stream like 12+ hours how you even think she can do this?
@Sonofhroft if you actually watch the whole video you'll get the joke. Maybe.
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"I don't have empathy, play something else" Would be ironic if they stopped on PoE2 as well considering you stream this game. I don't have empathy for entitled streamers get a real job
Hi what wing flavor you macking on, queen?
spicy garlic buffalo
@@dslily based
@@dslily thoughts on garlic Parmesan?
Jesus Christ I thought the destiny community was emotional lol, people need to understand GGG isnt a giant studio and at least you're still getting poe 1 updates they may be later than expected but you are still getting them. Also if you really didnt see this coming you're kidding yourself.
Imagine having to play the same league in a game where you can literally choose the content you want to do! Does it suck ass? Absolutely! But let's not pretend most people aren't just gonna play the same builds, and run the same content they always do regardless if a new league is out.
we just want a fresh economy, doesn't matter if they bringa new league or not
No empathy for the reddit elites. That sub killed all respect I have for those cry babies(case Bex).
Everyone who is upset couse of this decision is not normal, how many years is Poe1 free to play 10 years l think so why r people crying about grow up u will get the new content! GGG doesn't own u anything they made u a great 1st game 10 years of playing, yes u bought some cosmetics and other staff but that's ur decision not theirs! Go and play something else for a while and let them work and develop properly Poe2
Im lowkey glad PoE1 is getting delayed, it really shows that a hard reality check was needed for PoE1 community. Now cry about it.
Lol nope.
I think people keep forgetting how long it took for POE1 to get to where it is today. Give POE2 time to cook.
they could have hired more people, they did not.
they could not have released before going on vacation, no reasonable company does this, it is a fucking joke in software to release on a friday before a holiday - yet they did this
they did all of this because they thought they could do it and the push back would be less than the profit.
There is no shot that many people coming into POE1 will enjoy it. Its not new player friendly, so i dont think their be much retention. I hope that both games get equal treatment in game development when POE 2 goes live. I have my doubts, considering Jonathan is the head guy and seems to be favoriting his passion project atm.
Isnt PoE1 ran by a completely different guy?
@@gearhead417 nope, the entirety of GGG is run by both Jonathan and Mark. I was shocked that Jonathan was speaking for POE 1 and seems to be ahead of both games.
@@doozey365 So Mark runs PoE1 and Jonathan runs PoE2?
@@gearhead417 not sure that is the case.
We agree with Lily. All these YT Content Creators really need to take a concrete pill . Our Group have been playing POE (2010+) long before Streamers did and our advice is to stop getting all concerned about a game that in the end is free, and is just about being a pixelkiller of 2D and 3D images on a computer screen to relax from RL issues like work or study . People just need to relax and just accept things take time to develop and progress . If people are so bored and want to distract themselves about not getting POE Updates/fixes etc , do something else, play something else and have patience. Rage quitting or btching about issues etc isn't going to solve anything when people are doing what they can to solve the issues that we all as Players know about. The GGG Team are doing what they can when then can with the resources that they have . We have known them in Auckland since Chris had hair and they all ate less pizza. We play POE1 and 2 from Ukraine and work as Humanitarian Aid Workers etc and save lives daily. People should be more concerned in what is happening in the World and the waves that are being generated that will soon come crashing on everyone's shorelines.
such a nonsense problem. boohoo, updates are delayed on a free game. what a bunch of entitled children.
Poe1 andys 😂
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Release poe1 as an offline ssf game and move on, focus on poe2.
Poe2 is the new content for poe1
That is the problem poe2 is not new content, new campaign and butchered end game... Poe 1 has 1000% more end game content
ppl still have trust on ggg..they did recover from lots of shit stuff that happens...but let see how good poe1 new league will be..i didnt enjoy poe2 till they release more end game mechanics
ill send hate to whoever i frickin like... if they dont like it they can cry in their "safe" spaces.
"no poe1 update is like your parents not loving you and starving you to death... no hate though"
classic cry baby moment WAAHH WAAAH