‘WHAT?!’ ESPN FC crew divided over Martinelli’s red card 😬 | ESPN FC
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- The ESPN FC panel recap Arsenal’s narrow 1-0 win over Wolverhampton Wanderers, including Gabriel Martinelli’s red card midway through the second half.
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Refs love giving Arsenal red cards. That’s the best and simplest explanation.
Arsenal need to go and sign Sergio Ramos. That way we're guaranteed to play with 10 men and play better haha
Yes the best explanation is a conspiracy against Arsenal!
More like grant xhaka loves getting red cards
Assenal loves doing stupid sh*t...
There's absolutely no way they can keep doing it and get results, and even as an Arsenal fan I can't dispute the fact that Xhaka has a moment of foolishness almost every game.
But,
1) That was harsh today. The game was pretty heated up, give Martinelli 1 yellow there and just calm it down. I can admit both challenges could arguably have been yellows on their own, but man I've never seen just the double whammy like that.
2) It feels good to get that result in spite of the red. Some gutsy defending and I'm all about it.
Never seen anything like that tbh. Arsenal have the most red cards in the prem but only Leicester have committed fewer fouls...
Every red card for Gunnes is worth a £500 bonus for the referees. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's obviously because there's an agenda.
Yellow cards are referred to as "cautions" because it's telling the players that they'll be dismissed if they do it again.
Martinelli wasn't cautioned because he probably wouldn't have committed the second foul if he was.
In the rulebook, I can see why it was done but it's completely against the spirit of the game and is reasoned as a technicality. As Mikel said after the game the ref would have to have been very willing to do it to begin with.
He was probably fed up with our time wasting lmao
Isn't purposefully committing fouls against the spirit of the game?
if you look in the rulebook under they have a clause about 2 seperate yellows (under cautionable offences), and if you switch "entering the pitch without permission" for "pushing a player when taking a throw-in" it is a literal textbook double yellow and so a red
@@maxmontreality Martineli felt he was fouled. Hence his reaction pushing the player. Not saying what he did is right. But thats football.
@@tons824 totally brother not dissing Martinelli, I totally get it but a fouls a foul and two fouls are two fouls. Two yellows = red. I dont see how it's even remotely controversial.
Yellow means you are "warned." Martenelli didn't know he was warned after first challenge. Next refs will be giving yellow for something that happened 20 minutes earlier then draw a red.
Both challenges were yellow card. He didn't play the ball at all throughout the play. He tried to stop a throw with his hands and tried to stop the attack with a push.
you’re wrong. The yellow card is a punishment for committing a foul, aka breaking the rules that everyone is supposed to know. Martinelli delayed the restart of play which is a yellow 100% of the time and then goes and commits another very obvious yellow card foul. VAR would have said two yellows and red because that’s the rules. Plus, ref played advantage, which tells EVERYONE that a foul had just occurred. Martinelli should know better
You don't get a free pass on a 100% yellow just because the other team keeps playing.
@@nronan3 Delayed it by actually pushing/striking the thrower, so it's UB as well.
The ref didn’t stop the game to give him the first yellow, he allowed the game to flow, in advantage of wolves.
The refree was biased towards arsenal. There was a tackle on him first and the refree ignored it.
it’s called playing advantage
🧂🧂🧂
Steve Nicol is right! The player doesn't know he has a previous yellow card booking which affects his decisions making. If he knew he had a previous yellow card that will affect how tries to get the ball from his opponent
Thats the point he literally makes two professional fouls which everyone above the age of 5 knows is a yellow card offencce. He pushes the thrower which is a yellow. And then literally makes no attempt to win the ball and rams into the abck of another player again a yellow card offense.
It doesn't matter what we think should happen the referee has to implement the law. Thats like saying there was no one near the traffic signal at 3 am so i went out on a red that shouldnt be a problem. Hard luck the law doesnt say you can do that so you pay the fine.
@@harrismazari5484 I don't buy this "a player doesn't know" excuse. Everybody knew that he will get a yellow card 100% of the time for the first foul once the advantage is played off. It was so obvious, but we should believe that Marinelli somehow was not aware of that?
With this logic, if a ref plays advantage after you commit a yellow card offense, then during that advantage you have the freedom to do what ever you want. He commited two yellow card offenses, I dont think he deserve a warning after doing that.
He's a complete moron if he didn't realize he'd get a red for that antic!
@@ericroza98 Straight red can be still shown lol.
Above all of this:
are we not forgetting it was a foul throw?
True people arent talking about that, its a disgrace
There was no foul throw. When the ball was released both his feet were still on the ground. The ball was at least 2 feet away from his hands by the time his feet lifted because he was pushed off balance. You can freeze the frame and see for yourself.
Do they give a yellow card for a fowl throw?? Hmmm
@@erakoraoghenekevwe2275 No they don't, and in any case this wasn't even a foul throw.
Give a yellow card then the player will be aware of!
I've seen loads of actions like that in the past and players just getting warnings
Really? Name them.
@@BhukkasBhibbas problem is this something so unusual that it warrants talking about. I personally never consider this a red, so when I'm watching a game and someone commits 2 yellow card offences in the same play I think yellow card move on, you don't remember mundane things but I'm sure Arsenal fans are hard at work finding something.
@@ruadhanmacgearailt5861 they probably are, wouldn't be surprised. But I don't think they'll find any. That's why I commented bc I know that this guy is lying.
@@BhukkasBhibbas A recent example will be Arsenal Vs Burnley played a few weeks ago. A Burnley player ( I can't remember his name) committed a reckless tackle and was booked. Shortly thereafter he used his elbow on Gabriel's jaw/neck in order to stop the progress of an Arsenal attack. What happens to him? Nothing
@@ruadhanmacgearailt5861 You can't tell me in the almost 30 years of the Premier League's existence, there hasn't been an incident like this before. Yet, no player has had a sending off like this.
Whether it's deliberate (I don't think it is) or unconscious, referees, have a bias against Arsenal.
Now I agree, there could be betting on red cards in Arsenal matches. Did someone win a bet again? Am gutted. A referee should encourage sportsmanship.
The sportsmanship of fouling players twice in the same passage of play?
Encouraging sportsmanship is not allowing a player to make two consecutive fouls without receiving a punishment.
@@gabrieldamian9074 I'm pretty sure a yellow card is regarded as a punishment in football
Every red card for Gunnes is worth a £500 bonus for the referees. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its not funny its so corrupt its a joke
absolutely
@@TN-tn5pi For sure it's a joke. 🙄🙄🙄
He could just gave one yellow and a last warning that what good referee does
He appeared to be out of control. Shoving a player on a thrown-in and running another down from behind and cynically taking them down.
@@jjryan1352 the person out of control here is the ref bcz we never so two yellow cards flash out at once , if was out of control then he should told him to calm down and warn him like I said , he never broke anybody legs
@@fubub3595 you are just rationalizing. Plenty of players have been given direct reds without doing any damage and you know it. Double yellows are flashed all the time. Especially for fouls followed by overreactions. Doesn't matter if it happens an hour or a minute apart. Both were unsportsmanlike conduct, both attempts to delay the match with 1-0 lead with 20 minutes left, with zero intention to play football. YELLOW and YELLOW. Guess no one in EPL has attempted such a bonehead move. It's happened in other leagues. They all use FIFA rules. The players absolutely know the rules, and he broke them so stop your pathetic crying. Still won the match despite that ridiculous display which had nothing to do with pro football.
@@fubub3595 well always a first time for everything
@@jjryan1352 you must be a spur fan lol , who talking about retaliation here ?
Wait when he does that to your team then u will understand . I have watched game over 25 years, never ever seen thing like this , only you are an expert on this, u must must be proud of yourself while most of people from different teams think was harsh decision
The ref didn’t stop the game to give him the first yellow, he allowed the game to flow, in advantage of wolves who were in possession. End of
You can’t give advantage when the ball is out of play. Oliver should have stopped the game and booked gabi for the push at the throwing. Oliver fucked up and nearly cost us 3 points.
@@kingsaka5042 Law 12 of the FA rule book allows what he did.
@@leemaituer9033 he gave advantage for a foul throw. How is that fair
@@leemaituer9033 read it again it states something different
@@alfchlopecki7673you should read it again lol
It almost feels like the referee communities are putting bets within their own to compete who's giving the most red cards to Arsenal. Everyone thinks is OK to just simply show red card to Arsenal players, no problem there.
Pathetic victim mentality. Start looking critically at your own players. What is Arteta doing to instill some discipline in his players?
@@gustaaf1892 auba got binned because he was late for training how are you saying arteta doesn't have discipline in his players
@@junxiteoh3613 I'm talking about discipline on the park. Arteta wanted to get rid of Auba, which is why he took that action.
Every red card for Gunnes is worth a £500 bonus for the referees. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@olafweinzer5746 on top of their £100,000 a year salary!!
Every ref just can't help but just try and mess up arsenal's game. At this point it's just an unwritten rule of the PL.
They know we are coming back
@@SheffKhalid lol
Imagine playing advantage and giving two yellows lmfao
Arsenal is like the best team In the world playing with 10 men. I made a point about this a few weeks ago and here we are again.
It was a red card simply because it was Arsenal. Many times I've said that names count when decisions are made. Would this have happened to Man City, for example ? Of course not.
Michael Owen made a point in the studio last night that if you know you are getting a yellow card when play stops, many players feel they have a "free hit". So I think Martinelli makes the second challenge expecting to be booked on the first, thinking he'll get away with it. First incident is a booking, and the second incident is a booking. It's just a topic because it has never happened like that before, doesn't make it wrong
THE AGENDA IS CLEAR,
Oliver was spot on. If the precedent set is that that if an advantage is played for a YC offense, the offender has a time frame to commit another YC offense that will go unpunished……would be absolutely horrible for the ultimate goal of player safety
I actually think Micheal Oliver has an agenda against Arsenal.
Are Arsenal players have agenda to get red then blame the ref.
I concur.
I don't think you understand mate, we don't even get a benefit of doubt from them.
Martinelli was dumn, but you can't deny refs have a agenda against Arsenal.
I actually think you have a persecution complex.
Ref probably a Man U fan.
If that was a Liverpool or Man City player, it would have been nothing but a talking to quickly before resuming the game.... If that 🤣😁
One can only try to understand an equal, judgement occurs from a pedestal🎈
And i still remember David Luiz being sent of when his knee was kicked by Pedro Neto’s toe
FA rubbish referees
The referees are a disgrace
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Why is it so easy to issue a card to Arsenal for similar offenses that other teams commit?
I have been watching the game for over 35 years and have seen centuries of double tackles in which referees only call back play and issue a card for the first offense.
This is bizarre.
Well in fairness, back in the day you could make modern day red card challenges and as long as you got the ball, it was all good. Nowadays, if you touch a player the wrong way and they flop to the floor, it can be a penalty and a red card.
In Martinelli's case, they where clearly 2 yellow card offenses. However, the thing is we all know players may stop a passage of play in the form of a tactical foul and take the yellow card because that's better than getting countered without men behind the ball.
The difference is when players do this, they whether or not they've been booked before. In Marinelli's case, he didn't know he was booked for trying to block the throw...he technically wasn't on a yellow card. But if he knew he was on a yellow card, he wouldn't have stopped the passage of play. This is like double jeopardy.
I have also watched football for a long time and can't recall having ever seen a player commit two completely separate bookable offences approximately 6 seconds and 30 meters apart. They are separate incidences and not two offences in effectively the one incidence. If you have seen this before, please share those details with us.
Thank you guys
The Referees just love giving out Red cards to Arsenal players! It gives them inner peace I guess.
😂
Set of petulant mitches who love to play the victim.
It's Michael Oliver freestyling. He wouldn't dare do that against Liverpool. The officials always play too big a role in the matches. Our officials basically turn the league in to a farmers league.
So true
Oliver was 100% correct here. This was a great piece of refereeing that will be shown at the next referees meeting as the perfect way to handle this very unusual situation. It isn't often that you get an idiot committing two yellow card worthy fouls within 6 seconds of each other. He deserved to get punished for both.
I knew this was gonna be a hot topic for the ESPN crew.
if they are going to do that they need to be consistent.
They will be consistent.( only against Arsenal though)
I was a ref... When I saw a non violent yellow card that I allowed play on, because it was non malicious, and the player committed a yellow card malicious foul; then it would just reinforce my opinion to issue a yellow card. Since the player was still in the emotion of the first foul and because I allowed the emotion to build with play on. Can't fault the player for emotions that I create. If I allow a game of violent fouls to build then give a straight red in the 80' for one it makes no sense. The same goes for Oliver. He's a poor and biased official.
If the ref had played the advantage on the 2nd foul and Martinelli had gone on to commit a 3rd, what colour would the card be? This guy Michael Oliver just grinds my gears
still 2 yellows.
Depend on what colour his underwear because he will use it.
What if Martinelli was on a yellow before. How many yellows will he show to him then?
@@ezeugwukenneth6398 1.
Even if you go around kicking all your opponents , you still get 1 red card.
However, it effect how long you will be banned.
I appreciate the ref paying advantage and letting the game flow. You cant push a player to stop a throwin. Its a yellow. Cynical challenge preventing an attacking play, its a yellow. We WANT the ref to pay advantage, but we also want to make sure they bring the play back and give the yellows. Excellent refereeing.
He didnt show him yellow earlier then no way martinelli goes for the push. Bad management of the situation
Martinelli wouldn't have committed the second foul if the incidents were 10min apart. That's what makes it bad refereeing.
Ever since i started watching football that's my first time to see that
Maybe he deserves two yellows. The problem is that we have seen many players commit fouls worthy of two yellows and yet it is once again only Arsenal who get punished. I don't believe there is a conspiracy, because that seems so ridiculous, but there is no alternative explanation. Why have we never seen this before when we know for a fact that we have seen players commit 2 fouls in the same play which would deserve a yellow and yet still don't get the two yellows?
Exactly my opinion. Well said
If a player pulls down an attacker and the ball falls to another attacker, the referee plays advantage. But what happens when the same defender then goes and pulls down the other attacker? It should be two yellows and a red. Same exact thing here. Two obvious cautionable fouls that result in a red. The referee made the right call. It's not seen a lot, but it's absolutely warranted for what Martinelli did. He's stupid for doing it.
"we know for a fact that we have seen players commit 2 fouls in the same play which would deserve a yellow". I cannot recall ever seeing an example of this; can you?
@@mysteryman480 I've seen it a few times. One I remember where they got one card for a foul and one for dissent but both were presented at the same time. Also a couple goal celebrations I can think of where they got one for taking off their shirt and a second for climbing on the fence. Can't specifically remember one where they got cards for two separate fouls but confident this isn't the first time.
@@daviddinwiddie9253 I am in agreement with you. But I was responding to this (in my view dubious) comment "we know for a fact that we have seen players commit 2 fouls in the same play which would deserve a yellow and yet still don't get the two yellows"
Ref for it right. Two distinct offences and an escalation but the player. Whether a red outright or sequential yellows is a technicality.
How do you book someone who doesn’t know he is on a yellow?
Absolute joke
Because it's in the rule book...
Ref played advantage, which means a foul occurred, and he delayed restart of play, which the referee had booked Gabriel for earlier. Aka, Martinelli was dumb dumb and committed two yellow card fouls in five seconds
How do you let a player get in a free second reckless or unsporting act just because the ball hasn't gone of play?
Blame Martinelli for being a moron and committing 2 yellow car offences!
I'm an Arsenal fan and I totally agreed with the red. If either offense were marginal, then I would say only one yellow is justified, but both were clear yellow offenses. He had to see red.
Reading some of the comments & hearing some of these pundits across different networks, it’s clear to see a lot of you ( and them) don’t seem to understand the rules of football.
It cannot be a red card for the simple fact there was no advantage. The ball was out of play. He attempted to delay play by delaying a throwing. A bookable offence - yes. However, as the ball is still in the wolves players hands, it means that the game isn’t in actual play hence no advantage. Ref should have gave a yellow there and then.
I think Martinelli forced a foul throw because of the contact he made. Should have been pulled back and given a yellow before the second yellow offense.
Been scrolling through comments to see the best.. this actually is
He tried and failed in delaying the throwing. That is not bookable at all. Just like standing in front of the ball after a foul is given, but failing to stop the ball in getting to intended player. That is never a bookable offense
@@tuckerokaja The laws state that "failing to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a dropped ball, corner kick, free kick or throw-in" is also a cautionable offense, so it wouldn't have mattered whether he was successful in delaying the restart or not.
And standing in front of the ball on a free kick is considered under this portion of the law too. It's just not booked very often, but when I ref, I *strongly* tell players to back away from the ball when I can tell they're trying to prevent a quick restart. I make it very clear the yellow card will make an appearance if I see it again.
That was odd. The Ref should of given one yellow after he gave advantage and a free kick after martinelli committed the second foul.
Michael Masi. Now Michael Oliver. What is wrong with Michaels and questionable decisions?
Imagine something lime this happening to Klopp or Pep.
A caution/warning must be known to player being cautioned.
THE SOLE REASON OF HAVING YELLOW CARDS IS TO WARN THE PLAYER. YOU CANNOT GIVE 2 YELLOWS, THE CONCEPT IS NONSENSE
No, it was the right reason. VvD got injured for the entire season and Everton’s goalkeeper didn’t get a booking because VVD was offside. Martinelli pushes a guy and then kicked another player. He deserves the red
Absolutely wrong. The sole reason, per the Laws of the Game, for issuing a card is to discipline a reckless or unsporting act. If it happens to warn the player, that's a bonus. Of course you can give 2 yellows - Law 12 specifically demands it: "Where two separate cautionable offences are committed (even in close proximity), they should result in two cautions"
@@johnmcgimpsey1825 so why have the card? The reg could just keep track of an incident then later on, give the player a straight red?
@@yrekucf775 Because the referee is charged with punishing and recording individual offenses, and the cards are used to communicate, both to the player and to everyone else, what is being punished. Before 1970, when Ken Aston introduced the use of cards, what you stated was sometimes what happened.
Law 12 states, "If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play."
It just so happened the next time the ball was out of play was due to another separate cautionable offense by the same player.
Also, "failing to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a dropped ball, corner kick, free kick or throw-in" is a cautionable offense. Doesn't matter whether he was successful in stopping a promising attack, because that wasn't what the offense was.
The weirdest red card call i ever seen.
I remember very well in the 1st challenge ref had allowed an advantage and the game continued but then in the 2nd incidence I thought he would just have to punish him by showing him a yellow card and not two!
That ref will probably officiate another match and wouldn't make the same decision because he has feelings for the team. Those fouls were not malicious and 1 yellow card would have been very acceptable.
This footage will be shown at the next referees meeting and highlighted as the prefect way to handle this situation.
@@gustaaf1892 They could show it to them 100 times and ref will still use their discretion while officiating. Logic and emotion is what football is all about as regards players n ref
What happens to consistency in officiating?
I understand it's a red per the rules, but it's the same passage of play!!!
By this ref's logic if a player fouls two players in the same tackle (say three players come together), is that two yellows too because it was on two players?
It's not the refs logic, it's him applying the rules which, as you recognized, were correctly applied. As for your question, a player is booked solely on the basis of an individual action. Hence, if he commits a tackle and ends up fouling two (or more) opposition players, he's liable for only 1 yellow card.
Yeah I see what you are saying. It just seems a bit harsh since Martinelli had no idea that he was on a yellow.
@@pavanguitars101 Bull, any professional player would know he just committed a bookable offense, or at least they should, since it's Arsenal and they have demonstrated zero knowledge of the rules under Arteta I suppose you could be right. Two clear yellow card offenses, two yellows given per the laws of the game.
On top of what the others have responded with, it is actually two separate passages of play.
@@brianbates212 Sure so players should just assume that they are on a card based on the offense they have done in the heat of the game. So next time a player goes in with a high tackle, they should just walk out of the pitch even though they haven't got red carded?
I dont think it was a consecutive yellow. If it was two different players that committed a foul each it would be two yellows. Don't get me wrong, I want him to get the red just for playing for Arsenal, but I don't see the purpose of the second yellow.
The rules clearly state that two yellow card offenses, even in close proximity to each other, are to be given two yellows and the player sent off. This is obviously to prevent the sort of play in this instance where a clear yellow card offense is made but play continued due to an advantage. Without that rule there would be no reason for the guilty player not to commit a series of offenses until play is stopped...
What I want to hear is to mention any related rules and apply to this situation then if there is an opening for personal judgment then I understand. In the US sports such as baseball or American football if there is an unusual case, the group of umpires or referees will get together to discuss and the commentators will also raise the related rules to explain the audiences at home to understand what's happening and what calls should be made related to the rules. Opinions are not helpful in a situation like this. In the US, there are also unwritten rules that players should know and act to avoid troubles. These are never mentioned in soccer (football) and I can see why there are lots of retaliation and in many cases there are some avoidable injuries involved.
I may know not much about rules but the point of giving a yellow is to caution a player ...and there is no point in giving two yellow at the same time the yellow card looses all its meaning of giving a warning to player if he is ultimately sent off.
It happened in 2015 when a Northern Ireland player was sent off against Hungary for 2 yellow cards in the same phase of the game. As other ex-players have pointed out, this punishment prevents players thinking they can get away with a free hit if they only get one yellow card in one phase. It's unusual and seems harsh but it's based on logic and is the rules.
Refs giving arsenal a test to show how good they can be defensively these days.. And we come up trumps. Coyg
Both actions deserved a yellow each. But the ref waited for play to continue, then brandished 2 yellows for the 2 fouls. That's the heights of manipulating the rules. A yellow alerts a player to be cautious.
Refs wont book a player already on a yellow as a final warning, and youre trying to justify a double yellow without stopping play or caution??
It's not manipulating a rule at all. Law 12 specifically says "Where two separate cautionable offences are committed (even in close proximity), they should result in two cautions". He did exactly what the Laws required.
I think this is not the first time such incident has happened. Raul Jimenez also had a red card I think against Man City in similar fashion. He fouled a player around the center circle and was booked yellow card. After City's player had slightly touched the ball Jimenez took the ball trying to run with it to the City goal area and was booked again... It was in quick succession like Martinelli's booking. So, if the ref takes that decision, he's right
Agree and disagree. Red card if the second yellow issued to players after he is aware that he has been booked before that. This is unfair, the player doesnt aware he have been booked earlier on but the first chellenge by Martinelli is absolutely uneccessary. Kid need to learn a lesson here.
Michael Oliver, the referee, probably should have stopped the play when martinelli pushed that player on the sideline. I'm not sure if you was trying to play advantage to wolves because I didn't see any. They're both yellow card offenses, but perhaps Michael Oliver is that fault for allowing the play to go on after the first foul.
70% of the Ref in premier league don't like seeing Arsenal stepping ahead Manchester United. That's the truth
Arsenal always get this type of treatment. This sets a precedent. You’ll see this happen in another match and nothing will happen
When was the last time you saw a player commit two completely different bookable fouls approximately 6 seconds and 30 meters apart? I can't recall seeing a sequence like this ever before, but you obviously have. Can you tell us about those other very similar incidents please?
@@gustaaf1892 Rudigar, can't remember the game, might have been liverpool this season, didn't even get booked.
@@taiwowatson You'll need to be more specific. What were the separate offences and how far apart were the offences time and distance wise?
@@gustaaf1892 The problem here is referees are meant to try their best to keep 11 players on the pitch. That's the whole point of a yellow card usually called a caution. So a player knows he has been booked and must conduct himself accordingly for the rest of the match.
Martineli was not given that opportunity, almost as if the referee was looking for an opportunity to send him off. Which he can them ofcourse use the law to justify. That's is biased refereeing and indicates corruption.
Now with the Law. The rule states if a player commits a foul in a dead ball situation, that is when the ball is out of play, if the referee deems it a fouls, because the foul is directly from a dead ball situation, the referee must stop the play and book the player.
The referee cannot play advantage from a dead ball situation like a freekick or a throw in. Michael Oliver made up his own rule yesterday. Anyone defending him either do not understand the rules or are being deliberately dishonest.
It was never a sending off this happens all the time in football. But because its Arsenal the rules are bent to suit their narratives nonsense.
@@taiwowatson Wrong, wrong, wrong. It is not the referee's role to keep 22 players on the field, but to apply the laws of the game within the spirit of the game. There was no foul throw, so the ball was in play as the push took him off his feet fractionally after the ball was released. The referee should always look to play a clear advantage and issue a card later unless serious foul play or violent conduct has occurred. A player knows when he has committed a bookable offence, as Martinelli undoubtedly knew in this instance when he tried to stop a quick throw from being taken. Martinelli just didn't expect to a second card for the later offence or vice versa, but as they were separate offences in two different phases of play they were both correctly issued despite your protestations. There is no bias or corruption here, just a correct application of the football laws. Your bias towards Arsenal makes you blind to some obvious facts. This type of incidence hardly ever occurs and I can't recall having seen something like this previously. There were two separate and completely different bookable offences that occurred approximately 6 seconds and 30 meters apart. When have you ever seen that before? If you have, please share the details. I do understand the rules by the way because I was a referee at the national level. What are your credentials?
all the prem league reffs hate Arsenal todays game another example last time when we played here we had 2red card and played 11 agains 9men
Another interesting twist here, I'm an arsenal supporter and im going to agree with the two yellow cards though I feel law is applied with the word spirit. Now for arguments' sake, in my opinion since the referee dicided to go text book, i dont know why he allowed a foul throw from wolves when Martinelli pushed the wolves player?. So that throw was over looked because of what Martineli did?
What is foybles/foibles/foybals?
Where are they divided 🤔🤷🏾♂️did I not here clear
I’m not sure how that ref is still a ref his dreadful.
Michael Oliver loves giving Red cards to Arsenal players, this isn't the first one. Arsenal is used to these Refs
How many people in the world now are googling fireballs?????? Please Saka what is the meaning of fireballs
Micheal Oliver made it about himself. He didn’t have to sent Martinelli off but he wanted to. There’s a difference.
Martineli didn't have to put his hand on someone throwing the ball in. He also didn't have to shove the other guy from the back. Where was Tierney. Where was Xhaka.
That ref is annoying. What a pillock. When he first came on the scene he was very young, and nobody took him seriously. He wants to act arrogant and be center of attention, like that other muppet Mike Dean
Oliver just did exactly what the Laws of the Game demanded. Law 12, under Advantage: "Where two separate cautionable offences are committed (even in close proximity), they should result in two cautions"
Lmao...Ref "annoying" yet gets all the majority of the big games...and one of England top referee 🤷🏽♂️... To the main point of the post...1) he tried stopping the throw in which was a quick throw in he attempted to stop ( basically attempting to stop quick attack). 2) The foul is also another foul that stops an attack where wolves had a chance to do something in the attacking half outside the box...So he had all the right to card twice there, which is rare but does happen and deserved there.
That's the ref who didn't give Pickford a red for injuring VVD.
I blame Martinelli not the ref. He thought he could commit as many yellow card offences as he wanted to in the same passage of play and only be carded for one of them. What would have happened if he’d committed a 3rd yellow card offence in that same passage of play? Should he still only receive one yellow card?
The Ref's must be a Spurs fan. Tried desperately hard to give Wolves a helping hand
Two things here. ONE, Michael Oliver always has it in for Arsenal. If anyone goes through the history of Arsenal games officiated by Oliver, a pattern of bias is evident and clear to see. TWO, the player (Martinelli) was obviously trying to stop the play and willing to take a yellow to do so at that point in the game. He didn't succeed on his first attempt and so tried again. It's a one-card offense.
You would think they would show the red?
Come on the first yellow Gabby thinks its an Arsenal throw in, he is trying to get the ball for a throw in, it’s never a yellow, a shove on the shoulder in such an instance happens in every game without a yellow ever being given. Michael Oliver has history and was always giving a red card against arsenal in this game, just look at the odds, 1/8 for a red instead of 1/12 or 1/15 for a normal game.
it's simple. either you show yellow or you play advantage. if arsenal ruin advantage bring the game back to spot of the initial foul, that's what happens. this is just stupid. I don't think anybody would have complained if he got just a yellow.
From those odds Tottenham are Favourites to finish top 4 not Man Utd and Arsenal like Kay mentioned at the end.
You really don't know much about Statistics, do you?
@@sudiptagoswami327 You really don't have a life,do you?
Now that I know what the ref's agenda is. I will definitely be betting on Arsenal players getting red or yellow in games.
I think the rules says that you card more dangerous of the two offenses…
Nothing about that in the law chart.
ITS BUSINESS.....PERIODTT💯💯🤦♂️
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ESPN especially some of their staff but not Kay muri are very anti Barca especially that Ian guy I mean the Norwegian I think.Steve is also fair I love him
It was two yellows.They should allso book players for kicking the ball away trying to stop an advantage.
The law is only for Arsenal.
It wasn't a red cause the ref made the mistake of booking him in the wrong order. He booked him for the second offence first then booked him for the first meaning he shouldn't be able to show him 2 yellows as he wasn't on a yellow when the first offence took place
No direct red card is need, just double yellow card followed by red card, VAR checking is not needed!
Personally I don't think he should have been given a red. That's harsh. But I think the red was a result of the referee losing his patience with the arsenal players. Because ,if you notice, there was so fouls and time wasting from arsenal and the referee just took it out on poor martinelli.
That's poor refereeing isnt it?? Cant lash out at other players
What does Shaka have against Arsenal...had this incident happened to West Ham, Man Utd or Spurs would he have said the same? 🤔
The ref is a Tottenham fan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
it's true
Shaka is always honest in hi analysis. Of all these pundits on the platform, he is the only one who speaks some sense.
So the yellow card earned for the foul on the thrower - tell me that is not a foul throw (from the contact from Martinelli) therefore the game should be brought back and a yellow card awarded
I'm an arsenal fan. I think its the right decision. If I commit a stonewall yellow but advantage occurs. If I know I can't get a yellow again, it gives me cart blange to commit bad challenge with no consequences. Thus, I thibk u have to do it. It sucks and seems unfair, but u can't be allowed to make both challenges.
That rule is ridiculous
If it a straight red card offense within the same passage of play, would that ref brandish two red cards?
They are all forgetting that it was a foul throw
Maybe it was a foul throw because he got pushed over?
@@peterwilson5012 more reason you recall the foul to the first position... Its all happen in less than ten seconds ffs
@@francchuks True, I wouldn't have expected 2 yellows. Seems silly-- nothing dangerous.
@@francchuks but Wolves had the ball so it’s play-on. Both are yellow card offenses, but I don’t get why he should stay on the pitch if he commited 2 yellow cards offences.
@@Ben-G7 same ref, worse scenario in a match brighton vs Bournemouth he gave just 1yellow and I ask where is the consistency... I guess we know more than professionals that has played the game over 18years even ibrahimovic will tell you this is wrong..
he will never ignore the referee again
It's as clear as day what the referees in the premier league are doing to Arsenal.
Arsenal players are getting booked for fouls players of other teams are not being booked for.
For example; Arsenal had 5 players booked last night, Wolves had 2 players booked even though Wolves committed far more fouls in the game than Arsenal.
Arsenal should make a formal complaint against the English premier league referees.