The Sonic Adventure Iceberg Explained

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  • It's time to explore the Sonic Adventure iceberg. Join me as we dive into the waters and explore how deep this iceberg goes starting with some more well-known facts in the shallow waters and descending down into the more obscure and weird nuggets of knowledge below in the depths.
    Chapters :-
    00:00 Introduction
    01:20 Tip of the Iceberg
    07:51 Below the Surface
    15:26 Middle of the Iceberg
    21:53 Bottom of the Iceberg
    28:19 The Depths
    Sonic Adventure, as Sonic's first 3D adventure, is such an interesting game and I had a great researching and talking about some of the game's obscure lore.
    Here is the original, more detailed version of the iceberg by SPEEPSHighway:-
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    Recommended videos :-
    - "Sonic Adventure - Hidden Details and Secrets" by SPEEPSHighway ( • Sonic Adventure - Hidd... )
    - "Easter Eggs & Beta Secrets! Episode 1: Sonic Adventure" by ElectroNuke Mods ( • Easter Eggs & Beta Sec... )
    - "Sonic X: The ACTUAL Director's Cut" by Windii Gitlord ( • Video )
    Links to more Sonic resources :-
    - Sonic Stadium - board.sonicstadium.org/
    - Sonic Retro - sonicretro.org/
    - The Cutting Room Floor - tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor
    Music Credits (all music is taken from the Sonic Adventure soundtrack) :-
    - "Welcome to Station Square"
    - "The Air for Windy Valley"
    - "Egg Carrier, A Song That Keeps Us On The Move"
    - "Twinkle Cart for Twinkle Park"
    - "Red Hot Skull for Red Mountain"
    - "Tricky Maze for Lost World"
    - "Mystic Ruin"
    Finally, follow me on Twitter if you want :- / thejohnnyvector
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  • @UnWeyCualquiera
    @UnWeyCualquiera 3 ปีที่แล้ว +302

    15:52 i can't believe they actually fucking sent Sonic to Brazil.

    • @kerosan138
      @kerosan138 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It's downright criminal, really.

    • @xxxtefennixxx
      @xxxtefennixxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      if you look closely he even bonks his head on the plane door before dropping at 16:11

    • @compromisedreality8827
      @compromisedreality8827 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      *tragic events in history: sonic's death, when jumping out of a plane he forgot his parachute and fucking died*

    • @ChloeChloesChlideos
      @ChloeChloesChlideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xxxtefennixxx i don't know if he died or he just bonked

    • @Flare8295
      @Flare8295 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're going to Brazil

  • @Justin-yv8mr
    @Justin-yv8mr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +842

    I always thought that the unknown metal sonic was actually silver sonic from sonic 2 but he got upgraded in SA1

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +137

      Cool theory, they definitely look kind of similar

    • @Sonicjan
      @Sonicjan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Kinda makes me think, it's a Sonic version of Mecha Knuckles from Advance 2 (or was it Advance 1?)

    • @axleblaze7455
      @axleblaze7455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Yeah, I took always thought it was just Silver Sonic, just looking different because it was being rendered in 3D for the first time

    • @taputrainer8463
      @taputrainer8463 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I mean why reference metal sonic then present a brand new metal sonic that wasn’t in the game anywhere else? It clearly wasn’t mecha sonic so it has to be Silver Sonic from Sonic 2 especially since in the Archie comics encyclopedia does refer to the robot as Silver Sonic

    • @bonaelzee
      @bonaelzee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I thought the same thing

  • @youtubelouise
    @youtubelouise 3 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    The creepy egg carrier jingle is actually used when the egg carrier changes mode in the story.

    • @garsrandom4358
      @garsrandom4358 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what do you mean

    • @BintonGaming
      @BintonGaming ปีที่แล้ว

      @@garsrandom4358 when egg carrier extends its wings th-cam.com/video/chJQduP70Og/w-d-xo.html

  • @star7communicator434
    @star7communicator434 3 ปีที่แล้ว +237

    "Sorry, Charlie" was the slogan of Starkist Tuna for decades, and became sort of a popular catchphrase for a while. In the USA, at least.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Oh wow that's interesting. I am not sure I've ever seen that brand over here in the UK but that might explain the monitor message. Thanks!

    • @weotu
      @weotu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      My dad would say it all the time in the 90's so it was definitely in the general lexicon, as in it was common enough to have lost its association to the commercials. Well, until kids like me would ask the same question, "Who's Charlie??"

    • @duckface524
      @duckface524 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      also it's a title of a great Ween song :]

    • @alexjackson1130
      @alexjackson1130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is funny ! I know if laugh at this , even if it was my own joke

  • @thatguyknownaswill8180
    @thatguyknownaswill8180 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Amy with inhibitor rings: piko piko hammer
    Amy without inhibitor rings: piko piko Mjolnir

    • @Alex_Off-Beat
      @Alex_Off-Beat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just look at Amy in SA2's 2 player mode, she can use Chaos Control even better than Sonic and Shadow!

  • @FreakinSweet1987
    @FreakinSweet1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +289

    THAT'S what causes the Big the Cat texture glitch? When I first got my Dreamcast I didn't have a VMU until a month or two later, so I ran through Sonic Adventure in a single sitting and experienced this glitch one single time. All these years and I could never recreate it. I told friends and they thought I was making it up like it was some kind of urban legend... I feel vindicated!

    • @UtfanYT
      @UtfanYT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Same!

    • @Boysermusic
      @Boysermusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ok

    • @FreakinSweet1987
      @FreakinSweet1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Boysermusic Weird response...

    • @Boysermusic
      @Boysermusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      FreakinSweet1987 ok

    • @FreakinSweet1987
      @FreakinSweet1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Boysermusic Ah, gotcha. You're one of those failure trolls that quickly backs themselves into a corner by repeating one response in the hope of minor annoyance. The catch 22 is that you can't defend yourself because you'd be saying something other than "ok," but saying "ok" now would just mean you played into my hand after calling you out.
      This is always such a satisfying anti-troll. I await your response (or lack thereof in this case).

  • @inendlesspain4724
    @inendlesspain4724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +300

    In his parody of Sonic Adventure, Roger van der Weide made everyone in the cast abuse the Chao throughout the whole video, justifying Chaos's motivation to destroy Station Square.

    • @fabianugalde3789
      @fabianugalde3789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Exactly, this also reminded me of that video lol. Tails and Eggman used Chao in karate battles, Knuckles killed a Chao by overfeeding him, Amy whacked a Chao egg with her hammer, Knuckles' tribe attacked the peaceful Chao, and even the General was punching a Chao through the whole video. That's why Chaos wanted revenge on everyone, and he disappointed his honorary father

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Very interesting! Sounds like the theory that snuck into this video might've been inspired by van der Weide then, thanks for sharing.

    • @benjaminamudoaghan
      @benjaminamudoaghan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JohnnyVector Imagine XD

    • @gooolixx
      @gooolixx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      damn that video is nostalgic

    • @trymsan4368
      @trymsan4368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      everyone except Sonic abused the Chao, explaining his confusion about why Chaos would be angry

  • @PigBoy99
    @PigBoy99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +326

    The thing with the Sonic plushies being found by a tribe was actually an April Fools joke.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

      Yep. I thought it'd ruin the fun if I said it outright so mentioned people should check out the date on the article.

    • @PigBoy99
      @PigBoy99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@JohnnyVector ha, nice.

    • @user-qw2hn3yk1n
      @user-qw2hn3yk1n 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      April 1

    • @nngnnadas
      @nngnnadas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep, but knuckles really is a real estate moghul.

    • @boomhauer5928
      @boomhauer5928 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I wonder what really happened to the plush.

  • @saxthephone
    @saxthephone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    8:33 I just love how Eggman just walk normally, while also running, and running away from a giant snow ball. Is just so funny seeing it.

    • @OrdinaryAVX
      @OrdinaryAVX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This is why Eggman can outrun Sonic.

  • @unwrittenearth9230
    @unwrittenearth9230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +255

    You can talk to a gambling addicted mother, a man in an affair, and a woman who is swimming as you are drowning
    Sonic the hedgehog: A family friendly franchise

    • @blutagg63
      @blutagg63 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      remember the ova

    • @avserenity7240
      @avserenity7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      When you realize Sonic NPCs are some of the most relatable in gaming history

    • @blutagg63
      @blutagg63 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @AVSerenity f

    • @catfrombowsersfury1654
      @catfrombowsersfury1654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Rouge the bat: yeah family friendly

    • @ferdinandroig3460
      @ferdinandroig3460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Princess Sally nearly fucking dies

  • @mcqueenspartyisinhell2013
    @mcqueenspartyisinhell2013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +409

    One thing that i absolutely love about Sonic Adventure, is that it takes a lot of inspiration from south american and latin american (specially México) culture, i think that it gives the game the sensation of an actual adventure because of the different places it takes in, also since Pachacamac and Tikal are based on Mexican culture that makes me love this character a ton since i'm a mexican myself

    • @tish733
      @tish733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      This is one of my favourite aspects of the game too. And since I first played it many years ago, it has been my dream to go to Mexico and visit Tikal. I finally managed to do it in 2017 😁 it was a bucket list moment for me

    • @14Cathy14
      @14Cathy14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      isn't tikal in Guatemala

    • @tish733
      @tish733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@14Cathy14 haha yes it is. On my Mexico trip we went to Guatemala and Belize too. I just call it my Mexican trip for short. I realise now it looks like I'm talking shit 🤣

    • @14Cathy14
      @14Cathy14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tish733 no worries, sounds awesome though!

    • @arturoz.enriquez9480
      @arturoz.enriquez9480 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wenas carnal

  • @skyty0
    @skyty0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    "Sorry Charlie" comes from a series of Sun-Kist commercials from the 70's/80's. It's become a really common American expression, especially in the north-east. It has a pretty similar meaning to "too bad" or "that sucks." I hear it almost every day.

    • @alexanderadams9058
      @alexanderadams9058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly. I was confused when he didn't know what it meant and wanted to know who "Charlie" was...

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Thanks! As a Brit, I've honestly never heard the expression before. That's one mystery solved for me.

    • @skyty0
      @skyty0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@swisserty EWould say that's annoying, but it's kinda funny. Sorry Charlie.

  • @nonebusiness7723
    @nonebusiness7723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Chaos used to be a chao until it touched the master emerald and mutated,
    In the Japanese version it makes chao noises

    • @avserenity7240
      @avserenity7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Well that’s horrifying

    • @nonebusiness7723
      @nonebusiness7723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@avserenity7240 a reference to this is the light chaos chao from SA2

    • @m.greenfield6328
      @m.greenfield6328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yall have a video of this? im curious.

    • @MSPaynt
      @MSPaynt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      i'm a bit surprised this wasn't on the iceberg actually

    • @solgaleo3533
      @solgaleo3533 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Really? I thought it was like the god of the chao and the emeralds.

  • @UltraHorseBoots
    @UltraHorseBoots 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Fun fact about that drawing for "Sonic the Human" the patch on his sleeve is actually a "section ID" insignia from Phantasy Star Online, which many members of Sonic Team also worked on.
    In PSO when creating your character you'll get assigned a section ID based off the hex data of characters used to make your name and your section ID would actually influence the drop weights of certain weapon types and even have some drops be exclusive to certain IDs to encourage trading online. The one on "Sonic the Human" was Oran, which made daggers drop more often but rods rarer.

  • @awesomeguy2009
    @awesomeguy2009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Actually, the Egg Walker map for Tails is using a slightly older version of that part of the hub world. (From the AutoDemo). That's why The Man 3 poster is there. Those posters were all over the AutoDemo, and got changed to the regular Chao in Space posters you see in the final game. If the Egg Walker map was using the finished version of the hub world, the poster would've been the regular Chao in Space

  • @hillhank3070
    @hillhank3070 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I remember hearing a rumor on the internet several years ago that there was a Shadow the Hedgehog easter egg in the DX version of the game, underneath one of the waterfalls in the Perfect Chaos level.

  • @noodlebakeellie8243
    @noodlebakeellie8243 3 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    I’m pretty sure the 666 thing is just a coincidence because if I’m correct 666 doesn’t mean anything in japan.

    • @noventaporcento
      @noventaporcento 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Here in Brazil, it does

    • @noodlebakeellie8243
      @noodlebakeellie8243 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@noventaporcento hmm then that’s weird

    • @EvangeRei
      @EvangeRei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Yeah, it means nothing there. 666 comes from christianity, which is roughly 1% of population in Japan. They are more superstitious towards numbers 4 and 9. So if it had something like 444 in Ace Combat 7 or 4444 in Neo Contra then yeah

    • @bryanmoyna9715
      @bryanmoyna9715 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The native american cultures either, but theyre inspiration for the game ¬¬.

    • @amelialonelyfart8848
      @amelialonelyfart8848 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@EvangeRei I mean just because they're not Christian doesn't mean they can't be influenced by Christianity. I'm pretty sure the creator of Samurai Jack isn't a Hindu, but he still put explicitly Hindu imagery in the series. Granted I think it's just a cooincidence to but that's a weak argument.

  • @chimericalical
    @chimericalical 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Here’s something I noticed while playing the game that you didn’t mention: the story you see in game is the character you’re playing telling their side of the story and not 100% what actually happened.
    When tails and sonic run into knuckles for the first time in the story there are 3 different sets of dialogue and scenes for example. It’s slightly skewed in such a way that it implies this isn’t accurate to what happened as much as it’s whatever character you’re playing as telling you what happened and thus slightly skewed.
    If you’re playing as sonic for this scene the dialogue has knuckles being confused and refusing to listen to sonic while tails is kinda irrelevant.
    If you’re playing as Knuckles sonic and tails are a bit more antagonistic and knuckles wins the fight against sonic (lol, okay sure... ) and then fights Chaos 4 and beats him.
    If you’re playing as Tails sonic doesn’t really say or do anything antagonistic to knuckles and knuckles is a bit more antagonistic and tails beats Chaos 4 instead.
    All 3 yolo soloing the boss may seem like just a gameplay aspect that tosses the story out the window. But the slight dialogue changes in every shared scene and those changes being in a way that it’s biased to the point of view of which character you play as implies that these 6 stories aren’t what actually happened.
    It’s 6 characters telling you what happened, and as people do when they tell a story, also either intentionally skewing a few details of not remembering them correctly.

    • @Don-ri5ve
      @Don-ri5ve ปีที่แล้ว +5

      18:42 I don't know if this has something to do with that, just tought I'd leave the timestamp here if eventually relevant

    • @christiancanalishimizu9116
      @christiancanalishimizu9116 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Perhaps all 3 stories are incomplete as all 3 charactrrs fight chaos 4 at the same time, but only speak of their own victory

  • @bugpaw
    @bugpaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    the thing abt amy potentially wearing inhibitor rings gave me a headcanon idea. mayb she can run as fast as sonic, but wears the inhibitor rings so she can live a normal humanlike lifestyle (since she's seen carrying groceries in the beginning of her story meaning she probably even has her own apartment, and way of earning money) and doesnt want to tear around everywhere too fast. and she doesnt take them off bc shes so used to them being on, that she forgets they're even there! (and shes not really the sharpest tool in the shed...)

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Interesting theory, I like it!

    • @tl1882
      @tl1882 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      she does have an apartment in sonic battle, also the not taking them off might just be a stylistic choice

  • @solumanblevins5906
    @solumanblevins5906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Two things I feel should've been added.
    1) Game Apologiest found out that the mysterious Metal Sonic is actually a MechaGodzilla reference, as his design is heavily based on the mecha.
    2) Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #4 (2021) actually has a villan's hideout be a 1 to 1 recreation of the SA1 casino, down to the floating hint computer outside.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, I remember Nick's video came out a few days after mine and he replied to a comment on this video about the MechaGodzilla revelation.
      Regarding the Batman fact, that's really cool, thanks

    • @solumanblevins5906
      @solumanblevins5906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JohnnyVector I like to think it's in reference to how Roger Craig Smith voiced Batman in Arkham Origins.

  • @traktor420
    @traktor420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Bruh Big got the good shit 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

    • @3mar00ss6
      @3mar00ss6 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the eddi peddi cat nip ฅ^•̀ﻌ•́^ฅ

  • @srbrant5391
    @srbrant5391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Discovering the jingles as a kid in the sound test was a very creepy experience that casted the game in a really dark way.

  • @BWF6_Official
    @BWF6_Official 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Classic characters (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and Amy) can be seen in the Slot Machine in Casinopolis. For some reason they used Classic designs and not the Modern ones even though it's just pictures and not 3D models. So in conclusion Sonic Adventure contains the first appearance of Classic versions of the characters in a Modern Sonic game way before Sega seperated the two universes in Sonic Generations.
    Also the other thing that is often missed is that the Sonic 3D Blast music that appears in the game is based on the Demo Takes for 3D Blast (which are basically MIDI versions of the music). Main theme for Twinkle Park for example is an unused song from these Demo Takes called "Bonus Knuckles".

    • @wgbee1242
      @wgbee1242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It’s probably because Modern Sonic used to be a redesign instead of separate character

  • @hypershadix1
    @hypershadix1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    The sorry Charlie one is actually a reference to the starkest tuna fish mascot Charlie where at the end of each commercial they would say “sorry Charlie” when something bad happened to Charlie

  • @MishKoz
    @MishKoz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    27:48 I noticed this when playing Sonic Adventure 2 as well. There's a part towards the end of the game where Knuckles is holding the Master Emerald, but it's pretty much the same size as one of the regular Chaos Emeralds. Though I guess if these emeralds can do things like warp you through space or give you godlike powers, I guess it's not out of the question that they'd be able to change size.
    Also Amy clearly wears inhibitor rings because she's the ultimate _ultimate_ life form, the most powerful being in the universe. Trust me, my uncle works for Sega.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Haha, thanks for the Amy confirmation from your uncle. Gerald Robotnik shouldn't have created an edgy Sonic clone, he should've created an edgy Amy clone!

    • @alexjackson1130
      @alexjackson1130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Knuckles is the most powerful

    • @Temmie_gaming
      @Temmie_gaming 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Personally I don't agree with her wearing inhibitor rings at least they weren't designed too be in my opinion because shadow was made in the next game sa2 so they were at least not designed too be because shadow and the inhibitor rings didn't exist yet

    • @vxcvxmcrposfdsdfulpdfg
      @vxcvxmcrposfdsdfulpdfg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Temmie_gamingit was a joke dumbass he was being facetious lmao

  • @blekiscooler
    @blekiscooler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    28:06 the Chaos Emeralds usually turn super when powered up by the Master Emerald, so I feel like this was intentional

  • @twoforfive9228
    @twoforfive9228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Something I want to add is that when playing as Sonic, even when Knuckles story is still going on, if you travel to Angel Island the emerald will be intact.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Interesting, thanks for that

    • @shyguy85
      @shyguy85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually it has a little teeny bit missing but it is hard to see

  • @KingdomHeartsBrawler
    @KingdomHeartsBrawler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    I could be wrong, but I don't think Knuckles ever had a different voice actor in the E3 demo. I just think Michael McGaharn played him differently originally and then he had to re-record his lines for some reason. Honestly, I think his first take was better.

    • @ucielsan
      @ucielsan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wasn't Scott Dreier the one who got into the final release?

    • @KingdomHeartsBrawler
      @KingdomHeartsBrawler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@ucielsan Scott Dreier didn't get the role until Sonic Adventure 2. In SA1, it was Michael McGaharn.

    • @ucielsan
      @ucielsan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KingdomHeartsBrawler Oh! Really? Wow, thanks!

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Ah, thanks for clarifying that one!

    • @HeavyRaiden
      @HeavyRaiden 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I prefer the final version

  • @tlaloqq
    @tlaloqq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Both sonic adventure games were so mysterious to me. I played them back in the early 2000s on the game cube. At that time the internet wasn’t was popular ,especially for a kid in a family that didn’t use computers much , so finding weird mysterious things in the game was so crazy cus only the only people you could talk to were kids at the playground or siblings

  • @JSpyx
    @JSpyx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    "The Fugitive escaped from jail, in burning Hell." - this riddle quest has always been imprinted into my mind as a kid because I thought this line was pretty scary.
    (It's the items you could find in DX, they were all hidden and only to be found by riddles. This particular one was for Red Mountain act 2, aimed towards the figures inside their jails...in "burning hell".)

    • @MrShadic140
      @MrShadic140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's from the "Mission Mode" if I recall, not really an item as much as a "hint" on how to complete the "Mission"

  • @srbrant5391
    @srbrant5391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have another theory that _Sonic Adventure_ and _Sonic Adventure 2_ were inspired by _AKIRA._ The destruction of Station Square (by a blob monster no less) and its flooding is very reminiscent of how Neo-Tokyo looked as it was being destroyed. Shadow is a hidden military experiment hidden away in stasis accessible via a funicular tunnel like the manga's namesake and Dr. Eggman's english voice sounds similar to Colonel Shikishima's voice in the Streamline dub of the film.

  • @TheFloodFourm
    @TheFloodFourm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    You know ts gonna be good when you're finding out new things about your favorite game before you even hit the water.

  • @copilots3159
    @copilots3159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    If Big was canonically a stoner I would unironically love him.

  • @howdy90
    @howdy90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Who remembers Sonic being in NBA 2K1 doing his Sonic Adventure pose holding a basketball?

  • @PhilMcCool
    @PhilMcCool 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    26:40 - There’s also a 1998 SEGA arcade game called SpikeOut which has some prototype Sonic redesign artwork (with green eyes) displayed on a wall in the SEGA Mall level.

  • @darthflipyap7040
    @darthflipyap7040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A Note about the title card jingles; the Egg Carrier jingle is used in the final game during the Egg carrier transformation cutscenes. The Station Square jingle was used in a PC demo for Sonic Adventure DX. After completing any of the demo levels a screen would appear saying, "Thanks for playing, see you in the retail version!" The jingle would play over that screen.

  • @alexfield290
    @alexfield290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You know, I never expected someone to actually use one of my clips (14:43, Alex's Craphole is my secondary channel, also, the Red Mountain tutorial is a leftover from the TGS 1998 demo which had Red Mountain as Knuckles' stage).

  • @AmazingSpider-Man
    @AmazingSpider-Man 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    When I saw the thumbnail I said "what is Michael Jackson doing there?"

  • @MarioSpivey
    @MarioSpivey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I swear everytime I hear about the DX version and the loop in Emerald coast makes me face plam everytime, since it only glitches if you were to stop your moment for whatever reason. And some people just don't seem to get that

    • @ThatBugBehindYou
      @ThatBugBehindYou 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      >complain that Sonic Adventure is on rails and has too many spectacles that locks you in running straight only
      >try to do literally everything other than running straight during every spectacle moment in the game
      >complain that the game is broken
      It's like they understand the game completely and are complete morons who can't comprehend the understanding they have at the same time.

    • @grilledcheese9297
      @grilledcheese9297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Still doesn’t make it okay tho..

    • @mesothelimoa341
      @mesothelimoa341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The small fact that you can easily fall through the terrain beforehand though isn't something that can be brushed off.

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThatBugBehindYou to be fair the game would be so much better without the automated segments, its why the new games are unplayable for me since they quadrupled down on auto-game spectacle.

    • @ThatBugBehindYou
      @ThatBugBehindYou 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KaiserMattTygore927
      To be Fair automated segments were the backbone of Sonic since the loop in Sonic 1 and the automated segments could be messed with in the original adventure game just like they could in Sonic 1.
      I agree that the level of On-Rails experience we have now is outrageous but big spectacle moments in at least one or two stages that only last 5% of the stage itself are enjoyable to see and it's really honestly hard to agree that the game would be better without them.
      Regardless none of this has to do with my snarky crap comment, the thing I was describing was my frustration with people KNOWING something won't work and complaining about it only to pretend like they never knew doing the thing they complained about not working, shockingly, doesn't work.

  • @fizzyfuzz5878
    @fizzyfuzz5878 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    While the GC version of DX has worse controls and lighting vs. the Dreamcast version, the GC version had skippable cutscenes, better water textures, actual rewards for getting emblems and an improved Station Square Chao Garden.

    • @mothfemale
      @mothfemale 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      and arguably the best part: twice the framerate

    • @trymsan4368
      @trymsan4368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      good thing we got the better SADX mod

  • @friendlycryptid6797
    @friendlycryptid6797 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Gogdamn! This is fascinating.
    The only bit of trivia I can offer is in the "Sold Out" port of SADX has the Japanese dialogue present- and can be played in a CD Player (thats how I accidentally found the dialogue).
    I did this as I heard the "Xplosive" ports work in CDPlayers- I can at least say the Sonic R port dose & doubles as a music CD (the Xplosive port of SADX is impossible to find).

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! That is really interesting. I actually have the "Xplosive" Sonic R somewhere and I never knew you could pop it in a CD player. Awesome.

    • @friendlycryptid6797
      @friendlycryptid6797 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JohnnyVector Just a little warning Track 1 should be unplayable as that's most likely the game data - but I found out some CD players try to interpret it as sound resulting in digital screeching.

  • @Listania
    @Listania 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The Egg Carrier jingle plays during the transformation of the Egg Carrier scenes.

  • @JohnnyVector
    @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Corrections :-
    A few slips of the tongue...
    - SADX is an enhanced port, not a remake
    - Mexico is in Central America, not South America. I didn't make that distinction when discussing the team's trip!
    Credits :-
    - SPEEPSHighway - th-cam.com/users/JmTsHaW
    - ElectroNuke Mods - th-cam.com/channels/QhaqEDVMSyonBmPwVv9JOw.html
    - Windii Gitlord - th-cam.com/users/Windii
    Chapters :-
    00:00 Introduction
    01:20 Tip of the Iceberg
    07:51 Below the Surface
    15:26 Middle of the Iceberg
    21:53 Bottom of the Iceberg
    28:19 The Depths

    • @ChipyM
      @ChipyM 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Epic!

    • @Schnort
      @Schnort 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was found by Chariii5 in his can you beat sa1 as Big and as Gamma challenges that in Tails's story, Sonic will stop if he gets too far in front of Tails. This is not just a bug because when Tails races Eggman, he does not wait. That proves that this behavior was coded in on purpose.

    • @hyperballic
      @hyperballic ปีที่แล้ว

      Mexico is in North America, not Central America

  • @moki4011
    @moki4011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’m pretty fucking sure Knuckles’ E3 voice actor is non other than Ryan Drummond himself... and that makes this hilarious.

    • @Jaysterrr
      @Jaysterrr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No Ryan Drummond didn’t get to play Knuckles until Sonic Shuffle the E3 voice is still Micheal mcgarhan (I probably spelled his name wrong)

  • @EmmaMareeUrquhart
    @EmmaMareeUrquhart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Really enjoyed this! Fantastic details and I really appreciated the choice of footage to add to each point.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Glad to hear you liked it

  • @MellowMarsh85
    @MellowMarsh85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    *sonic adventure iceberg is uploaded*
    Me:aW YeAH tHiS iS HAppenING!

  • @TSMSnation
    @TSMSnation 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    wasn't chaos already a sympathetic badguy?

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ha yeah, fair point, my bad! Meant to say even more hyper sympathetic

    • @joshshrum2764
      @joshshrum2764 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He is, but i feel like Shadow, is even more sympathetic than Chaos.

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes.
      The Echidna trampled over his brethren (the chao) thus causing Chaos to go mad and slaughter their civilization.
      you know, for KIDS!

    • @robocu4
      @robocu4 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KaiserMattTygore927 no they didnt

  • @pgj1997
    @pgj1997 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    14:07 It's a reference to a brand of tuna called StarKist Tuna, whose mascot is a blue tuna named Charlie. In the commercials, Charlie wanted to be caught and used in StarKist Tuna because he "had good taste" (because pun). But people would tell him "Sorry, Charlie" because it would result in his death.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Seems I missed out on this one as I've never seen that brand over here in the UK

  • @ocarinaofsociety
    @ocarinaofsociety 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    God, I really need to replay the adventure games again. So many good childhood memories with friends, playing through the levels and the Chao garden.

  • @evanlandis990
    @evanlandis990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:13 Game Apologist showed that it was like a mecha-godzilla version of a sonic robot

  • @handlethis78
    @handlethis78 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The title card jingles are really cool. The third is especially creepy, but in a good way.

  • @quantaviousdingleberry4335
    @quantaviousdingleberry4335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:04
    There is a Possibility that, That Robot Is Silver Sonic, which is the Pre-Final Boss in Sonic 2 when you get to Death Egg, but we'
    ll, everyone can think differently, this is just my guess!

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A lot of people refer to him as Silver Sonic Mark 2, or something similar. It turns out he's actually based off of Mecha Godzilla! The Game Apologist has a video on it.

    • @quantaviousdingleberry4335
      @quantaviousdingleberry4335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnnyVector oh,thanks!

  • @tacticianmagician4716
    @tacticianmagician4716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That Egg Carrier jingle for the loading screen matches up with the Egg Carrier Transforming cutscenes

  • @Quartzer.
    @Quartzer. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fun Fact: Johnny was in an early version of what I'm pretty sure is Sonic SatAm (aka only in concept art to my knowledge)

  • @KaiserMattTygore927
    @KaiserMattTygore927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The egg carrier Adventure field jingle is actually used during the Egg Carrier's transformation phase before Sky Deck.

  • @skoopercantdraw
    @skoopercantdraw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The title card jingles really are creepy
    Just close your eyes and imagine being in a foggy lake hearing mystic ruins 2nd title card jingle

  • @mr.e330
    @mr.e330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never played Sonic Adventures but I had fun watching this video and I was engaged throughout, keep up the good work :)

  • @MetaKnuxXbeats
    @MetaKnuxXbeats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love the Sonic 3 & Knuckles iceberg video so it is a treat to see this being made too. The Adventure games seem to have a lot of intresting behind the scenes and beta stuff though that can be thanks to it being the first really 3D games of the series. I am surprised that the Archie Sonic Adventure aduptation wasn't mentioned because looking back at that aduptation, it is pretty bizarre.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I've not read any of the Archie Sonic run, but I've always wanted to because it looks pretty interesting to say the least. I'll have to check it out!

  • @danvselise
    @danvselise 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is my favorite iceberg video of all time! Thank you, Johnny for making this video, and furthermore, thank you Sega and Sonic Team!

  • @TheDudeontheTube
    @TheDudeontheTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If there is ever a Sonic Adventure 2 iceberg, the Snapcube Gag Dub has to be included on there.

  • @wesleylantz9491
    @wesleylantz9491 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Sonic X as the actual Director's Cut video has been removed from YT...I was really looking forward to watching it. But overall great video! I thought I knew most of the obscure trivia about Sonic Adventure but I guess I hadn't even scratched the surface.

  • @Xesh
    @Xesh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i threw the burgerman into the ocean and it creepily slid back up the beach to me.

  • @tish733
    @tish733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You've managed to find new information from SA1 that I had no idea about. That's not easy 😅
    Excellent video. New sub for sure

  • @CC-lm1tw
    @CC-lm1tw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love SA1 and SA2 so much ! The music is just *chef kiss

  • @mrwaxwave
    @mrwaxwave 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’d have loved to see a Saturn Sonic Adventure!

  • @Kurisu545
    @Kurisu545 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your channel is great! I've fallen in love with your content, keep up with the good work.

  • @biygas
    @biygas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    “Sorry Charlie” is a Starkist Tuna reference

  • @Nextliar
    @Nextliar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In the dreamcast version if you have 3 joystick conected at the same time with a VMU inserted in the 3th controller and you enter en in hub world, when you press start button in that 3th controller, you will get a Chao puzzle game in the display of that VMU.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very cool, thanks for sharing!

  • @TiagoMonteiroArt
    @TiagoMonteiroArt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    10:55 That's actually not the Knuckles' "oh no" which is used in the final game and is now a meme. The "oh no" you're talking about is slightly quicker, and Knuckles says it a little later on in the cutscene you showed.
    Here: th-cam.com/video/eHbUc8Te3aw/w-d-xo.html
    Other than that, great video! Lots of stuff I didn't know about. Keep up the great work!

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for clearing that up

    • @TiagoMonteiroArt
      @TiagoMonteiroArt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnnyVector You're welcome! 👍

  • @Macistefx
    @Macistefx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Any video that has Shadow on the thumbnail I'll immediately like, subscribe and hit that notification bell.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thanks fellow Shadow fan!

    • @jamiemanning4944
      @jamiemanning4944 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Of course

    • @_Tzer
      @_Tzer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      time to see if your a true sonic fan
      Shadow isnt edgy he is just angry and sad.

    • @jamiemanning4944
      @jamiemanning4944 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@_Tzer I wouldn't even say that he is angry. He was in adventure 2 but I have never thought of him as an angry character.

  • @BrianBurke06
    @BrianBurke06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Man you just keep covering my favorite games! SADX is the game I play the most on the GameCube along with Madden 08. Amazing video, hope you continue to make more.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. I have fond memories of SADX for the GameCube as well!

  • @dan_man3087
    @dan_man3087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Actually, the Egg Carrier jingle is used in the game durning Egg Carrier transormation.

  • @KaiZenAmen
    @KaiZenAmen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not capping, one of the best TH-cam videos I've seen this year. Criminal how low that subscriber count is. Can't wait to see more content like this.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the video!

  • @megablueman
    @megablueman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pretty good video however you made a few mistakes.
    Knuckles's "Oh No" scene wasn't when he was fighting Chaos but shortly after that when Angel Island was begining to fall.
    You forgot to mention that Pleasure Castle's music was also a Sonic 3D Blast track that was unused in the final game. GameHut uploaded the demo tape of it on his channel.
    Also I'm pretty sure the burger statue taking trips was a reference to hint you can pick him up and carry him around.

  • @tamed4171
    @tamed4171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow I've been playing this game since I was like 5, and I didn't even know some of the stuff at the tip of the iceberg. Great vid!

  • @LARKXHIN
    @LARKXHIN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those Unused jingles are cool as heck tbh I want one for my ringtone.

  • @TheZeroNeonix
    @TheZeroNeonix ปีที่แล้ว

    About Chao talking. The original Sonic Adventure games had Chao Adventure mini games on the VMU called Chao Adventure and Chao Adventure 2. In these, the Chao will stop occasionally to ask the player a question about themselves.

  • @omegaflowey9932
    @omegaflowey9932 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    14:07
    Creepypasta should take some notes on this!

  • @TheRailFanDog64
    @TheRailFanDog64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes! Two Icebergs on my 2 favorite sonic games!

  • @Papapaya101
    @Papapaya101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your channel, not only are your videos pretty good but you also got a lot of variety!

  • @jjoshi4858
    @jjoshi4858 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About the Dred Foxx thing and about scamming fans, that wasn't him. That was Hunnid P, the guy that does the Knuckles raps from Sonic Adventure 2

    • @jjoshi4858
      @jjoshi4858 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Chip Wiseman Oh shit OH SHIT OH SHIT
      Parappa will never have a voice again :(

  • @TimTH
    @TimTH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About NPCs lines. Trial demo used text that closer to japanese. Final release used edited version of npcs text.

  • @theRantingTroper
    @theRantingTroper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    24:50 Sonic Battle shows that Amy wears weights so she can train herself to be faster so she can catch up to Sonic (or at least I *think* that's what the reason is--it's been a while since I played it)

  • @thatonepersonainp5793
    @thatonepersonainp5793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My reactions to the adventure field jingles
    Ss 24:16 : that's a very nice sounding jingle you've got there
    Mr 1 24:21 : that reminds me of crash bandicoot music
    Mr 2 24:30 : *THIS DOES NOT REMIND ME OF CRASH BANDICOOT AT ALL*
    Ec 24:39 : actually that sounds like something related to eggman

  • @s0r03
    @s0r03 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The knuckles “oh no” line comes during the actual fight when you hit knuckles not the cut scene

  • @monochrome64
    @monochrome64 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the video, it was really interesting! Keep it up!

  • @SetSaturnST
    @SetSaturnST 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn, now I'm curious about that mysterious e-mail...

    • @avserenity7240
      @avserenity7240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was likely just referencing some small element they forgot to include in the games, or some newsletter that they’d send out during that time period

    • @SetSaturnST
      @SetSaturnST 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@avserenity7240 that can be a posibility

  • @neonkenomi320
    @neonkenomi320 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome work on the video there! SA2 might be next on the list for an iceberg I'm guessing, or something else? Would you possibly be interested in doing an Iceberg video for another Sega property in the near future? Like perhaps Phantasy Star or Streets of Rage?

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I am considering starting SA2 after my next video. I'm not too sure what will come after that, but I am a big Streets of Rage fan so that's a possibility.

  • @M3rtyville
    @M3rtyville 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pretty sure the Chaos Emeralds used to be Super Emeralds at the past and Sonic 3 and Knuckles just give the chance to play through a "what if" by letting Sonic turn these back to their original form to become hyper.

  • @Gator159
    @Gator159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm exclusively a Sonic Genesis Era/Collection/Origins Fan I'm just here for the Michael Jackson cameo you had in the thumbnail, and I got a bonus half life fact. Thank you for not disappointing good sir, have a great day.

  • @conic2721
    @conic2721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A thing - You can play the OG Sonic Adventure on Xbox 360.
    One time Sega launched a collection of games, with Space Channel, Crazy Taxi, Bass Fishing AND Sonic Adventure.
    It's not widescreen, it's still 4:3 but it's on Xbox 360, that is what matters

  • @_Tzer
    @_Tzer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    heres something to think about
    sonic adventure was the first game to introduce positive and negative chaos energy
    the first time chaos actually destroyed the world the emeralds looked rather large.... like in a certain and knuckles game... hyper seems to use all chaos energy within its emeralds... which is why it was much more powerful
    also a bit of trivia for shadow the hedgehog
    it expands on the use of positive and negative chaos energy shadows signature move chaos blast is a negative chaos energy move he even has a mode when he uses it called dark shadow....
    shadow also uses guns because what compitent military doesnt give its weapons guns.

  • @Mr_Gamer-Random
    @Mr_Gamer-Random 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:15 the reason the man 3 appears is because the Egg Walker fight was built of, of an older map which had the man 3 and could actually be seen in the auto demo although the texture was messed up

  • @AxelWedstar411
    @AxelWedstar411 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imagine being an Amazon tribesman and one day an effergy of an animal-headed god falls from the sky.

  • @woweezowie5826
    @woweezowie5826 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really, REALLY great video! So many interesting details. ONE thing though, when you were talking about the Chaos amoeba, you referred to it's prominent membrane, when I think you meant nucleus. IM SORRY I CANT HELP IT

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Haha, good spot, my biology teacher would be shaking his head at that one.

  • @BlizzardWindowsNT
    @BlizzardWindowsNT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Johnny, glad someone was able to make this iceberg. I was actually going to do it myself but, I been going through a lot of personal stuff lately. Regardless, I'm really happy that you were able to do, this is an amazing iceberg video you've done here!

  • @Sapphireeyes104
    @Sapphireeyes104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The egg carrier field jingle was reused for the transformation scene after one of the Sky Chases.

  • @jacobwylie3001
    @jacobwylie3001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey love the video. Been playing sonic adventure for years I noticed 3 things werent mentioned. The first being that theres an easter egg in the mystic ruins on the side of the pyramid. There are some ancient echidna statues. If you hide from them and see them from a distance they will appear fully but if you run up to certain ones they will retract as if hiding. The other thing not mentioned is that amys reflection during her mirror castle in dx is actually her og sonic adventure sprite! Also 3rd which is minor. In the xbox 360 version of sonic adventure you can play missions that have you interact with billboards. Some of the billboards have updated pictures. One being sonic unleashed and a few newer sonic x pics.

  • @omegaflowey9932
    @omegaflowey9932 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    19:44
    Amy forgot to put her pink fur paint on! XD

  • @maxtoncooke1726
    @maxtoncooke1726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The “Sorry Charlie” monitor is also present during the other stories as I’ve seen it on Sonic and Tails’ stories as well. It’s also slang for “get over it!”