Cross Training Is Bad And You Shouldn't Do It | How To Improve Your Martial Art
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- All too often, 'cross training' is thrown about as the solution to poor martial art ability. If you can't strike, you need to cross train with boxing, if you can't grapple, you need to cross train with jiu-jitsu. In today's video, I go over why this is horrible advice and you need to stop doing it.
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Before back injuries pretty much ended any serious training for me, I spent years training in two and sometimes three different arts at a time. The different arts gave me different perspectives on what each art could do and how it could work against fighters with different styles. Training in multiple styles also helped me find better ways to used the techniques in the different styles and their weaknesses.
Here is how I have always viewed cross training, and you did a nice job on breaking this down. If I am talking strictly jiu jitsu and lets say I am preparing for a tournament, I will train with my core group initially. However, as the tournament gets closer, I start to train at other bjj gyms (usually open mats), so that I get tough rolls in with people I am not familiar with which allows me to get a sense of what I need to fine tune. As you said, because we are not familiar with those training partners, we will be able to get a better overall idea of what we need to improve, etc. From a self defense perspective, I love training in multiple disciplines, but not for the sense of I need to learn EVERYTHING! Mostly because I want to hear and see different approaches or philosophies that will challenge me to think or approach a specific situation differently. This helps with the creative process, and so for this component I alone I am a big fan of cross training with an open mind. At the end of the day, you keep what is useful for you specifically and toss the rest.
Cross training is awesome. Loads, of folks do it. On Wikipedia it gets a great review. But it used to be called circuit training. 😉 I saw you, doing head locks and was quite impressed. 🇬🇧
Well, if you carry on competitive Ju Jitsu, the folks, will be looking for, moves, you don't know how to deal with. So, it's useful to analyse your losses and, seek support.
Like, I kept getting caught with right hands, from one guy in particular.
He, was a Hitman.
'Why did you attack me?'
"Someone gave me a fiver, to do it!"
I kept getting caught by his punches. One, time, I nearly walked into traffic . In fact, I did walk into traffic.
I asked police Advice and, they suggested running onto camera.
Unfortunately, I got caught a few times, and I think they're looking for opportunities when, nobody is around.
I never, looked for Street Fights really but. Going, to a martial arts class, might change a person's mindset.
How are the competitions going? 😁
Tl;dr: If you haven’t already got a foundation in something, don’t do other martial arts. If you want to improve your individual style, then you can either fight other styles, or learn them.
Sometimes I see your video descriptions and I'm like wtf. I go watch the video and you make valid points lol. Thanks for the videos.
Clickbait works, unfortunately.
I will say, when my training partner knows what my game is, it’s really hard to be successful with my favorite techniques. However, it makes me way better at executing those same techniques when I train with someone who has no clue what I’m gonna do. Great video man.
Thank you!
You are sooooo right! Once your training partner has you clued in, you have to up your game, you have to continually use your skills to change, alter and create new ways of attack, especially deception to keep em quessing.
I generally agree with your perspectives. One aspect of training in other styles you didn't touch on is the "historical nerd" aspect. Yes, a few of us are complete geeks. We're interested in where our main style originally came from. So, for instance, the art I practice evolved from Southern Chinese Kung-fu, transplanted to Okinawa by Kanbun Uechi. In the past few years, I've had the opportunity to practice with a Ngo Cho Southern Shaolin Kung-fu practioner. This practice has given me a better understanding of my Uechi-ryu (plus, it's very fun for me). It doesn't change my style, it just deepens my practice. Not really all that important when it come down to how I punch or kick maybe, but it is interesting to me as to WHY Uechi-ryu looks the way it does today. Anyway, great topic, keep up the good work. 👍
Ah Uechi-ryu, my favorite Karate style. Do you practice Ueihi in the old shool way, with hardcore Kote Kitai conditioning and heavy body checks to test your Sanchin?
I did address that though, I said people can do whatever they want that makes them happy
@@evilemperor5325 we practice Kote Kitai and conditioning, but in a gradual and (I believe) intelligent manner.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist as I said, I agree with your perspectives. And very good video.
I think constraining can also be very beneficial as far as rule sets are concerned. I have found that sparring under different rule systems has given me a lot of insight on how to better use certain tools in my tool box.
Cross training is fine if you understand the first art fundamentals. EG. You can get the stances mixed up, foot work. Too risky if you are taking too many strike arts as a beginner.
Cross training is fine just be smart
I think I now understand Bruce Lee better, when he said he doesn't understand masters who don't study other arts and what those arts have to offer
HOW DARE YOU!!!!!.....bring logic and reason to the argument.
(s). You have brought a no-nonsense, common sense approach to the 'cross training' idea and it's refreshing.
I’m sorry, I’ll never do it again
I crosstrained Judo and Sambo at my gym,it was an excellent combination ,because one focused on clean base technique, while the other expanded the field and was full on practicality.
A combination of specific and expanded ,to specialise and generalise.
If given the chance,i would do something similar with Boxing and Muay Thai.
I cross train kung fu and BJJ. I like Kung Fu for the weapons training and history. I train BJJ because my Kung Fu gym ignores wrestling and I think it’s more applicable in self defense.
Been competing and teaching taekwondo for over a decade, I am now starting from ground zero in Jiu-Jitsu and I could not possibly do both at once it would have hindered my progression
I crosstrain because I want to learn the other arts too. I started boxing, expended into kickboxing (muay thai here is not popular), I like these two but not as sport aspect more what they give me (certain techniques, powerful punches and kicks, I now train BJJ but I also trained Judo because I like throwing people and bjj standup game is weak, none of them fully appeal to me except MMA but good MMA gyms that don't just focus on the pros are rare, I want to know bit of everything, not trying to be a pro just like martial arts.
Great points...
The different sports have different rules systems...
Can boxing and judo be trained simultaneously?
I don't see why not.
Taekwondo has the same problem with forms. There is a ton of grappling, frames, and limb control in the forms but it’s either been lost due to misinterpretation or dumbing it down for children.
Dumbed down for tournament point scoring
@@grantsolomon7660 in some cases yes. But this is actually a
Problem with any martial art looking to be a sanctioned sport. BJJ, Karate, and Judo are all seeing the “sportitfacation” of their traditional martial art. The same thing would happen to Muay Thai if they tried to make it an olympic sport.
@@Epok17 I remember in the 70s Tae Kwon do was regarded as a formidable style that had something like kata and weapons.Now the majority is dancey freestyle point scoring and no kata no foundation.
@@grantsolomon7660 that’s under the assumption that everyone teaches that way now. There a lot of people still connected to the old way of training.
So it is okey to learn other martial arts if they want to? Can a person make that work?
Learning other martial arts for fun is never a problem. Purposely training in a style that doesn’t teach you what you want to learn is stupid.
Would it be a good idea to train at a wrestling club to help a my BJJ?
you tha man
Kajukenbo is a martial art originated from a group of martial artist crosstraining. Duh....
Of course you can talk broadly about a martial art. It is clear that BJJ or kickboxers have a far greater ability to win in a fight than a practitioner of Tai Chi. Thousands of videos online are testament to this.
Tai Chi wasn't designed for combat really so I mean not sure I'd consider that flex at least I'd hope people don't.
If only we could let go of the ego and acknowledge that all martial arts have something good to offer, even if it isn't fighting. That's why they're called "arts." The vast majority of us will never be in a real fight, so it's even sillier to think yours is the best martial art. Whatever lets you walk away from situations is the best martial art, at the time.
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@@FreestyleMartialArtist I like it, a scientific approach. We should apply that or think about that stuff much more these days. Gives one more confidence in what you're doing.
But I think you're on the "will it work in a fight against anything" mentality. Nothing wrong with it, it just ignores the less quantifiable stuff known as "character or spiritual development." Being self-aware, awareness of environment, perception, being calmer in more trying circumstances, being generous and patient, knowing how to avoid trouble, etc. Most of us will never be in a real fight in our lives, so to me, if I can avoid trouble, I won't have to find out and still be safe. That's why I don't mind the term "arts."
@@scottzappa9314 martial arts has always been about learning combative techniques to defend yourself…that’s it..ever since this self perfection movement started martial artist get beat up.we gotta go back to self protection
@@AyeJordan7 You can have both, chief. They are not mutually exclusive. If you get beat up a lot, it could be your "martial art", or you. They are not used to fight wars now, so this attitude about it is really not needed when you can just as easily get shot. There's your "martial art." In terms of martial arts, yes it's been watered down. But now always. Furthermore, the martial arts have been used for character/ moral development at the Shaolin Temple for centuries.
@@scottzappa9314 😂😂😂
Okay. You get a lot about "crosstraining" wrong.
1. I don't know why you are even talking about the "Dojo-Storm"-bullshit. This really has NOTHING to do with crosstraining. It is just toxic behavior.
2. Crosstraining is either really taking longer classes in two different Martial Arts or two diferent styles, but it can also be visiting "seminars".
3. No, it can make sense for a Taekwondo-practicioner to crosstrain in Muay Thai. For example when he or she wants to compete also in Muay Thai (ever thought about "Kwonkicker" when you came up with this example?).
A bit more common is the example of Karateka or Taekwondoka who want also to compete in Kickboxing (either american rules or japanese/dutch rules) and have to crosstrain a bit for the missing offensive and defensive parts needed for the ruleset.
Actually for Kickboxing I still go sometimes to seminars for crosstaining, the last one was to learn the Frontkick and some footwork of Savate.
4. The Kata statement...
Rob, you are from Kajukenbo, right? Kajukenbo Katas are really a bit weird. The "Palama Sets" are not really coming from Okinawan or Japanese Karate and I think Emperado or others just made them up from scratch, to make Kajukenbo a bit more "Karate lookalike", but without much sense.
In Okinawan in Japanese Karate this is a bit different. At least the original Katas from the predecessor styles were the base for the development of Karate styles. And even the same Kata can differ a lot, because of different principles of punching and kicking, breathing, height of stances power generation and so on from style to style.
That Karate totally changed since the 1940s because of the development of sparring, competition and including Kicks from other arts (neither the Round-Kick nor the Hook-Kick are from from Karate), is another story.
Take a look at the use of "Sanchin" in Goju, Uechi and Kyokushin, which is about breathing and body conditioning. Do you have something like that in the Palama Sets?
karatekas need to crosstrain in muay thai to make karate work. that's a fact
The question then is why not just do Muay Thai
@@FreestyleMartialArtist bc a lot of ppl care about there art and want it live on 😂if your martial art was designed for fighting and self defense,you should evolve your art bc times will change and when times change ppl will change.and the way they fight will change ,many ppl don’t know this but boxing was around BEFORE karate was even called karate.but why don’t ppl call boxing a “traditional “art,bc it’s evolved,I’m not saying karate needs Muay Thai bc it dosnt I’m jus sayin there are arts out there that are designed for fighting and want to live on,like wing chun…that needs to evolve,and how can it?by adding in arts that have evolved effectively.sure it might not be “traditional “wing chun,but it’s effective wing chun,I think the same thing goes for boxing,u try using 1800 boxing nowadays…u won’t make it,especially we’re I grew up..but boxing today would absolutely destroy most of deez”street niggas”or Gang members today😂but yea…I believe all martial arts can help each other out,there shouldn’t be this debate we’re combat sports is better then non combat or non combat is better then combat.plus the biggest problem with”traditional”martial arts is they hold on to tradition…and not evolve into more effective ways of training and techniques
So are you trying to say that Tae Kwon Do should not to learn how to box even if they can't use hands like any other styles can?I would say Mike Tyson was not doing kata to be good in boxing.And he was not cross training.There is no easy answer.And in my opinion doing kata all the time without aplication is piontless.I prefer two or tree first moves and how to use it in real kumite than going and doing something you don't know what it is for.How many times you have made Age Uke in real fight and how many times in doing kata?I don't see any Age Uke in octagon.Don't do cross training.But be aware of that you will end up on the ground.One day you will.So you better learn how to kick in this position as well.You will be down one day.
In the video I said there’s no issue with someone studying different areas of combat to fill in what their style doesn’t teach them. I’m saying going to another style to teach you what your style SAYS it’s teaching you is a problem
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Ok because i was a little confused myself.
Amen to that!!!! The Humble will be exalted and the Proud will fall!!!!!
Master one style before you Master a new one!!!!!!
We saw in fight with gracie opponent didnt gave one strike on gracie so is bullshit
wow, you're a genius
I just want to be a well balanced fighter that is capable of kicking any average persons ass if they decide to mess with me in person. But also, I enjoy my BJJ training. I’m thinking of joining Muay Thai so I’m good at my striking. Gracie Barra incorporates takedowns so I think the wrestling is covered with my jiu jitsu