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I dont mean to be off topic but does anybody know of a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I was dumb lost the account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Zane Zakai i really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and im in the hacking process now. I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
I remember helping a friend build his "Dragon" platform way back with a 4890 and a Phenom X3 720 unlocked to 4 cores It was the bomb cuz I was still on a 3850 512mb
This is a great video. While it might show some more games from that time, it still serves as proof that the Vega 3 is on par with the HD 3870, which was relased in november 2007. This essentially means that this little beast can run flawlessly any single game prior to 2008. That's a HUGE library of games, aside from a lot of newer games and emulators. This is a dream for HTPC builders.
4670? I got the DDR3 version! Most reliable card I have, no joke! Works flawlessly everywhere. All my Nvidia cards, with the exception of the MX440, died with around 1 year of use. :(
@@ThePortuguesePlayer I had one single nvidia card, that was in a laptop, the 8400M GS, which died - like many, many other 8xxxM laptops back in the day - www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective My HD4670 is nearing the end of it's life though, as since it's fan stops working frequently I idle at 90C. Goes up to ~120C when playing games, then shuts down. Served me well for 8 years, though.
Great work Mike! Interesting to see how much the performance differs per title. Also that looks like a great little case for a reasonable price. Looking forward to testing with DX11 cards.
This video makes me feel the 2200G would slap every card here into oblivion. Well, of course only when it's not bandwidth-starved, but the raw performance is there.
I've been waiting for this comparison for a long time. The vega 3 sits pretty close to where I expected it to sit. You used the 1gb of the 4850, while when I guesstimated I used the 512mb ver as a reference. Great video! You should test bioshock 2 with this setup. I was actually pretty let down by vega 3 in that title.
Great review, thanks for spending time doing this. The new APUs have the same performance has a 14 year old mid range GPU. Maybe we will see a big jump on performance when the new DDR5 compatible APUs arrive.
Vega 11 has been overclocked to 1600MHz which is a 60% overclock over this with double the rops and a bit less than 4 times the shaders. Then get a dual channel memory setup up to 2933 along side the rest of the system being overclocked and watch that destoy this. Also the major reason integrated can't be better is because motherboards do not allow high enough memory clockspeeds to feed that integrated GPU and the wattage is significantly limited. If the motherboards were better AMD would have sold you better chips. A console can which is why the Xbox One and PS4 have larger GPUs than this. The PS4 had 32 rops where this only has 4.
@@AeroFix94 that's unfair to say since it's literally the absolute worst igpu from amd, an oced vega 8 on the ryzen 3 2200g can match a gt 1030 and some older cards like the HD 7770
Great video, and as always i'm surprised as to how older cards can still handle present titles to some degree. The case is a bit lackluster but i agree with what you said, if the side panels were slightly better built it could be really nice HTPC. Especially if you can mount a more than half decent small form factor GPU to run arcade\vintage games or a PS2 emulator. (Currently using an old HP small form factor office pc as my living room PC) P.S I should have an old GTX460 lying around somewhere, in working order since i used it a few months ago for testing. Got a new for a another one?
I recently ugraded my Motherboard,CPU,RAM .I have the athlon 200GE clocked at 3.95GHz(4 was not stable) on a asrock x370 pro4 with 4gb(for now) 2666MHz(CL19).I still have my old PSU, HD 6970 and storage
A B350 is better suited with this CPU, because is cheaper, have VRM heatsink (Sometimes) to do the same overclock in this CPU and is upgradeable to Ryzen 5 and 7 with no problem... Well at least you have a beefier Motherboard to upgrade for Ryzen 3000!
I used to have the HD4850 1gb form xfx, I remember using it even to play farcry3 at 900p med/high sets around 30/40fps average. It was the card that I most enjoyed, really good memories with it. But I guess the 1060 6gb I'm using now it's going to steal it's crown because I don't plan to change it in a long while
Great video as always! How is this particular case for airflow though because I've always wanted to do an itx build with some high level hardware just because I can and this looks like it might be a case with enough airflow to pull that off
as always a very good video to people like me that like retro gaming. (dx9 and lower) now tbh i did like the 4850 paired with that cpu, it does give better fps and the power consumption is not that high.
I remember upgrading from my 8600gt to the 4850 for battlefield 3. It BLEW my mind lol. I'm glad it still holds its own today. My r9 390 8gb is gonna keep me good for a while though :)
Use Windows 10 ltsc/ltsb for driver compatibility on old devices due to it having WDM 1.0/1.1 support still. Youll be able to install last supported official ati/amd drivers on those old cards else use Windows 7/XP.
Oh man, that case is so awesome. So tiny lol, I'm mad because I should have bought that case for my mini itx build instead of the nzxt one I got lol, either way super nice video :)
Really like that case. Using a 2200g in an InWin BQ656, at hitting higher temps than I'd like. Added some 30mm fan to help exhaust heat, but wanted to see about increasing airflow and even trying to add a single slot gpu (a passive 1030 isn't much of an improvement over the 2200g... will just wait for the next APU at this point, the 3300g or whatever it will be called).
back then, even the most powerfull GPU like 8800 GTX are struggle to play Crysis with resolution larger than 1280x1024 nowadays, cheapo Ahtlon 200GE can play Crysis 1920x1080 with onboard Vega graphics.
Actually if you think about it, by extending the case to fit larger GPUs in, by leaving that open, you're not starving any airflow. Although I liked the cleaner look with the stock case length with a short GPU which makes it great for an HTPC, I wonder how far of a gaming PC you can take with the case you extended with the standoffs as well as the Flex PSU.
I think you should've tested the old cards on a legacy system. I think the cards are bottlenecked (PCI-E 2.0 x4) ? Still, kudos for the nice build and the work !
It’s actually PCIe 3.0 4X, which is enough for all of the cards tested. Windows 7 would’ve been more beneficial for the older cards, but I have tested a number of them in previous videos. Thanks
I had both two Sapphire 4850 1 GB OC cards in crossfire, and an MSI R4890 Cyclone OC once I realized multiadapter solutions were plagued with microstutter.
The hd 6900s and gtx 500 series are dirt cheap now, if you are on a low budget look for any of these. I got a 6950 for $27 and a gtx 580 for $35. It strange when people try to sell low end cards at the same price as old high end cards.
Reminds me of a HD 4850 i had that i got clocked to 850MHz with a pencil volt mod and a triple heat pipe CPU cooler i zip tied on ;-) i think i got it close to 1GHz but it ran hotter than i liked and at 850Mhz it was the sweet spot cool, stable, and super quiet. Also reminds me that stock coolers back then sucked really hard, they where garbage.
well, if you're into retro-ish gaming (with some hints of kindof new titles) on a really constrainted budget, pairing this CPU up with a modern day equivalent to the HD 4890 would actually be a decent deal!
Damn you're lucky. My old HD4890 could only achieved a meager 930mhz. I didn't have the heart to push it further as it already screams near 90C 5minutes in on Furmark.
@@rush21hit Furmark murders TeraScale cards because they don't have any power tuning. It doesn't show how the cards will run under any realistic stress. Run something more indicative of a real-world use, like 3DMark. With that said, most 4890s are running 1.3125v and 930-945MHz is the normal OC range. There are 1.4v and even 1.5v capable cards that go as high as 1050MHz on air.
@@FixedFunction I see. Its just that the mere thought of having my hardware dies on me send shivers down my spine. I retired my old 4890 to 750ti. I OC it few days before buying 750ti out of frustration. Because AMD classified it for Legacy driver from then on, even if I understood why. I just couldn't accept it. I wrap it on its box it came with in my cabinet. I am now using RX570 8gb, sold the 750ti. Since nobody wants to buy 4890 in this day and age :')
F2F Tech budget builds official did a video on it, they are a bit fiddly to get installed and working though. The link is in the description. m.th-cam.com/video/i8AuitM-HBo/w-d-xo.html
I can't help but wonder if the mid 2000s games wouldn't actually perform better on the Vega 3 via Linux and Gallium9, VK9, or whatever Proton and Steam Play use.
TBH I'm surprised it did this well against dedicated GPUs. The VRAM alone I figured would have put even a fast chip like this far below even the HD3870 when the HD3870 was running appropriately. From what I've seen online (I can only find mobile Athlon 200GE Vega 3 specs) this thing only has 4 rops. Does this chip really do this well with so few rops? I mean even the Radeon 9700 had double the rops of this
My Radeon HD 7750 Sapphire (2GB GDDR3) carried my my old rig for over half a decade and assists my Ryzen 3 2200G (not GE) with Vega 8 since it benchmarks just a few under it... Yes that's right a graphics card from 2011-2012 is in the high end... thats not because newer GPU's aren't decent but because the 7750 is one of the most stable radeon cards out there... Even now the only games it's struggling are brand new ones or ones that have photo realistic graphics such games like: Star Citizen, Black Desert, Dauntless, Anthem and Apex Legends... The general theme is it lags out around populated areas in these high end games I believe that's likely due to having to render so many custom characters in such a high fidelity it's a tough job for a 6-7 yr old card... I managed to pick up the slack in most of these games by Overclocking on my RAM, CPU and Graphics Memory Speed frequencies Getting from 2666mhz in RAM up to 2800Mhz, then the cpu from 3500mhz (2.5Ghz) to 3850Mhz and then managed to get the built in graphics from 400Mhz (for some stupid reason idk ask the man) up to 1600Mhz. Notice: Keep in mind i'm using a budget build so if you want a supercomputer to play the games i mention on ultra Ryzen 3 isn't enough for you! I saw a small improvement in Star citizen and VR Chat by 5 -10 more fps and that's in a 1080 resolution Golf with your friends saw absolutely no improvement at all... Black Desert now allowed me either option of 2560x1440 VSR (Virtual Super Resolution) with the same amount of frames I had prior in 1920x1080 or the option to switch on the remastered while running at slitghly better frames than before (which despite them saying it runs faster after the 1st day I cameback and was for some reason worse in optimisation) Dauntless: This saw the most dramatic improvement I was now able to manage playing the game faster in 1440 VSR than I did prior to the OC in 1080 this meant that when I played in 1080 with my desktop as 1440P It was almost completely smooth probable around a 20 to 25 frame gain although that maybe be due to optimisation since it's a new game... I'd test on anthem but I don't have it I just tried the demo which was running at 15fps but even if I could the full game is better optimised so I wouldn't be able to tell how many fps were gained from the oc! What I can tell you is that in every other game Elite, Defiance 2050, Warframe, Champions Online, and every other game older than 3 yrs will probably run at 4K when OCed some of which will probably run at factory settings... Remember to be careful and run tests when overclocking and only increase by increments of 0025mhz until the part you are overclocking crashes in the a benchmark test then put back it down by 25 and restart and that will be your limit (due to the lottery luck of overclocking you could reach as far as 4ghz but even if you do don't push past it or your cpu may melt down) and don't put your voltage any higher than 1.45v unless you wanna fry your cpu 1.35v is commonly reccomended this is generally cause of cpu temperature. mine gets to a toaster 45-55 Celcius while gaming! There is a Ryzen setting in power settings for windows 10 computers now I recommend using it! Sadly now my HD 7750 is the weak link compared to the DDR4 RAM 2666Mhz, 3.5GHZ processor, Vega 8 Graphics and A320M-K motherboard especially overclocked to 2800Mhz, 3.85GHZ and 1600Mhz... So I am probably gonna sell it and get a better discrete card so I can get better frames on the super high end games... atm it sits at around £115 which is funny cause when i bought it, the card was only worth £79.99 first hand this isn't inflation it's just it benchmarks well against new cards!
Hd 4850 is still a beast if only Navi would cost 199 like hd 4850 at launch which was beating 9800gtx that is like Navi beating rtx 2070 at 199.They would capture a huge market share but its not gonna happen.
Yeah, performance of the 2900 XT would fall pretty close to the HD 3870, so I figured I’d test the 2600 XT instead. I thought I was testing my 512 model...turns out I wasn’t 🤔
i sometimes wonder if the fact that some of these newer games are so incomparable with older cards , is not a hardware issue as much as it is a lack of driver support. because lets face it,, why support old hardware when you can force a sell of new hardware ;)
@@ismaelsoto9507 The reason I ask is that I use Linux Mint and apparently the drivers are not ready for the 200ge therefore I bought the gt710 (€57) as Nvidea writes drivers for Linux distros. The pc is setup as a server with basic video editing. Many thanks
@@badger67 Well for Linux distros, the NVidia GPU's have better support and drivers than AMD GPU's in general, but I think that AMD will have better Drivers for Linux in the future...
HD 2600XT, even with GDDR4 was piece of shit. I had that card and it was slower than GF 7600GT which i owned before... Tested in FEAR and Crysis back in 2008. I remember the distribution between HD3870, HD4850 and HD4870 cards (all 512 MB) in Crysis at 1680x1050, DX9, no AA, high settings: 22/33/44 FPS respectively (Windows 7).
So then the next logical step is 2200G and 2400G PS honestly AMD should retire the athlon name and should call these chips Ryzen1, dual core 4 thread chips, 4 & 8 MB L3cache, and various default frequencies. Ryzen 1, 1000 & 1100 Ryzen 1, 2000 & 2100
If they move the Ryzen architecture to 2c4t cpus, they would make a huge e-sport PC for the money, cause they are already making good high-end cpus, but the low cost is for i3, sadly.
AMD already said they weren't gonna have ryzen touch dual core, so they had to use some other name of theirs to justify dual cores (they should've used sempron instead)
@@valentinoishere1541 the Ryzen 1200/1300/2200G ($75-$95) competes with the i3-8100($115-120), i3-8300($135-145), and beats i3-7100, 7300, i5-7400, i3-6100, 6300, i5-6400, i5-6500 ($110-$140). Cheer up have a Ryzen3!
@@hughjassstudios9688 I hear ya but for non-pc enthusiasts who just look at store shelves product continuity is critical. When they are looking at a 4790k, or an 8600k they only gonna see an i7 & an i5 and choose i7 cuz i7>i5. They will see Ryzen 7, 5, 3 and ask what's an Athlon? Is that better or worse than Ryzen?
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I dont mean to be off topic but does anybody know of a way to get back into an Instagram account??
I was dumb lost the account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Gatlin Wesson instablaster =)
@Zane Zakai i really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and im in the hacking process now.
I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
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@Gatlin Wesson no problem :D
I remember helping a friend build his "Dragon" platform way back with a 4890 and a Phenom X3 720 unlocked to 4 cores
It was the bomb cuz I was still on a 3850 512mb
Good times 😄
This is a great video. While it might show some more games from that time, it still serves as proof that the Vega 3 is on par with the HD 3870, which was relased in november 2007. This essentially means that this little beast can run flawlessly any single game prior to 2008. That's a HUGE library of games, aside from a lot of newer games and emulators. This is a dream for HTPC builders.
My old & trusty GDDR2 HD4670 is racing with the VEGA3, makes me happy to see that. Great video!
4670? I got the DDR3 version! Most reliable card I have, no joke! Works flawlessly everywhere.
All my Nvidia cards, with the exception of the MX440, died with around 1 year of use. :(
@@ThePortuguesePlayer I had one single nvidia card, that was in a laptop, the 8400M GS, which died - like many, many other 8xxxM laptops back in the day - www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective
My HD4670 is nearing the end of it's life though, as since it's fan stops working frequently I idle at 90C. Goes up to ~120C when playing games, then shuts down. Served me well for 8 years, though.
Yes this is the shit I signed up for. Give me this good stuff.
This has to be one of the coolest small form factor builds I have ever seen. I am all giddy over it. Would be a fun daily driver.
Great work Mike! Interesting to see how much the performance differs per title. Also that looks like a great little case for a reasonable price. Looking forward to testing with DX11 cards.
Love the old tech vs new low-end approach! For us old geegs!
So GOOD content and so UNDERATED channel... I wish you to have more subscribers!
This video makes me feel the 2200G would slap every card here into oblivion.
Well, of course only when it's not bandwidth-starved, but the raw performance is there.
I've been waiting for this comparison for a long time. The vega 3 sits pretty close to where I expected it to sit. You used the 1gb of the 4850, while when I guesstimated I used the 512mb ver as a reference. Great video!
You should test bioshock 2 with this setup. I was actually pretty let down by vega 3 in that title.
Great review, thanks for spending time doing this. The new APUs have the same performance has a 14 year old mid range GPU. Maybe we will see a big jump on performance when the new DDR5 compatible APUs arrive.
Damn. Those 4000 series cards are still legendary.
Hehe I remember when people used to said that in the future you could run crysis on an integrated gpu at least at 30 fps.
You can. This is the cheaper version :)
Vega 11 has been overclocked to 1600MHz which is a 60% overclock over this with double the rops and a bit less than 4 times the shaders. Then get a dual channel memory setup up to 2933 along side the rest of the system being overclocked and watch that destoy this.
Also the major reason integrated can't be better is because motherboards do not allow high enough memory clockspeeds to feed that integrated GPU and the wattage is significantly limited. If the motherboards were better AMD would have sold you better chips. A console can which is why the Xbox One and PS4 have larger GPUs than this. The PS4 had 32 rops where this only has 4.
you can lol... just not on this ultra low-end one
You can on the 2400G
well the future never stops
Enjoy the video as always. Keep up the awesome work
The case looks like a McRonalds toy. It's so cute!
Thank you for the video. Always wondered how the athlon performed with some older games.
oh shti commented before Id seen all the benchmarks. It can run FH4 at playable settings? Holy shit
good job!
i really like this kind of comparison :)
We've come quite a long way with intergrated GPUs!
Almost 12k 3dmark06 is indeed a nice score for 70€ CPU's IGPU o_O
I would say no. 11 years and still not beating older cards.
@@AeroFix94 that's unfair to say since it's literally the absolute worst igpu from amd, an oced vega 8 on the ryzen 3 2200g can match a gt 1030 and some older cards like the HD 7770
@@bobsagget823 ??
@@AeroFix94 tell that to the 2400G ;)
Great video as always, thanks again F2F! Bashed Vega in the littlest Vega review was a nice touch.
Great video, and as always i'm surprised as to how older cards can still handle present titles to some degree.
The case is a bit lackluster but i agree with what you said, if the side panels were slightly better built it could be really nice HTPC. Especially if you can mount a more than half decent small form factor GPU to run arcade\vintage games or a PS2 emulator. (Currently using an old HP small form factor office pc as my living room PC)
P.S
I should have an old GTX460 lying around somewhere, in working order since i used it a few months ago for testing. Got a new for a another one?
Finally a good recomendation from TH-cam. Just subscribed ;)
Beautiful build
Happy to see my long owned HD4850 in this video. Still now, I like the performance of this card.
I recently ugraded my Motherboard,CPU,RAM .I have the athlon 200GE clocked at 3.95GHz(4 was not stable) on a asrock x370 pro4 with 4gb(for now) 2666MHz(CL19).I still have my old PSU, HD 6970 and storage
A B350 is better suited with this CPU, because is cheaper, have VRM heatsink (Sometimes) to do the same overclock in this CPU and is upgradeable to Ryzen 5 and 7 with no problem... Well at least you have a beefier Motherboard to upgrade for Ryzen 3000!
@@ismaelsoto9507 I plan to upgrade to ryzen 3rd gen
@@pesho9971 Yeah, this motherboard is good enough to upgrade to Ryzen 3th gen and even Ryzen 4th, what will arrive in 2020!
@@ismaelsoto9507 fingers crossed that 4th gen ryzen will still support AM4
@@longhairedanon Well is supposed to AM4 support Ryzen 4th Gen, because it will arrive, probably, in 2020...
After 10 years I recently changed my 4850 to rx 580. Gave 4850 to my friend which still runs like new without any problems.
Perfect compilation of tests..!!
I used to have the HD4850 1gb form xfx, I remember using it even to play farcry3 at 900p med/high sets around 30/40fps average. It was the card that I most enjoyed, really good memories with it. But I guess the 1060 6gb I'm using now it's going to steal it's crown because I don't plan to change it in a long while
The bloody Vega avatar.
Loved it.
Great video as always! How is this particular case for airflow though because I've always wanted to do an itx build with some high level hardware just because I can and this looks like it might be a case with enough airflow to pull that off
as always a very good video to people like me that like retro gaming. (dx9 and lower)
now tbh i did like the 4850 paired with that cpu, it does give better fps and the power consumption is not that high.
I switched last month from HD4890 X2... That was a TDP MONSTER.
Still have two XFX HD 4890s around :)
I remember upgrading from my 8600gt to the 4850 for battlefield 3. It BLEW my mind lol. I'm glad it still holds its own today. My r9 390 8gb is gonna keep me good for a while though :)
Fantastic video! Its a good option for cheap builds.
Use Windows 10 ltsc/ltsb for driver compatibility on old devices due to it having WDM 1.0/1.1 support still. Youll be able to install last supported official ati/amd drivers on those old cards else use Windows 7/XP.
Oh man, that case is so awesome. So tiny lol, I'm mad because I should have bought that case for my mini itx build instead of the nzxt one I got lol, either way super nice video :)
very cool video exactly what I wanted to watch
Nice comparison!
This one earns you my subscribe
Great video! TH-cam does occasionally make good recommendations ;)
Great work! Keep it up!
I'm glad that I clicked on this video
Very interesting comparison. Vega 3 winner but if you play older Retro Games you can go with an HD48xx card.
My boy 3870 in my Fx pc is still going strong. 💪
Really like that case. Using a 2200g in an InWin BQ656, at hitting higher temps than I'd like. Added some 30mm fan to help exhaust heat, but wanted to see about increasing airflow and even trying to add a single slot gpu (a passive 1030 isn't much of an improvement over the 2200g... will just wait for the next APU at this point, the 3300g or whatever it will be called).
Love your voice!
Really like your videos... Might not be a great comment but I really enjoy them
Great comment to me :)
back then, even the most powerfull GPU like 8800 GTX are struggle to play Crysis with resolution larger than 1280x1024
nowadays, cheapo Ahtlon 200GE can play Crysis 1920x1080 with onboard Vega graphics.
Actually if you think about it, by extending the case to fit larger GPUs in, by leaving that open, you're not starving any airflow. Although I liked the cleaner look with the stock case length with a short GPU which makes it great for an HTPC, I wonder how far of a gaming PC you can take with the case you extended with the standoffs as well as the Flex PSU.
I think you should've tested the old cards on a legacy system. I think the cards are bottlenecked (PCI-E 2.0 x4) ? Still, kudos for the nice build and the work !
It’s actually PCIe 3.0 4X, which is enough for all of the cards tested. Windows 7 would’ve been more beneficial for the older cards, but I have tested a number of them in previous videos. Thanks
I had both two Sapphire 4850 1 GB OC cards in crossfire, and an MSI R4890 Cyclone OC once I realized multiadapter solutions were plagued with microstutter.
A rare thing has happened ... I was correct when I predicted Vega 3 to be somewhere between 3870 and 4850 :-)
FEAR: Soft shadows with driver level FXAA/MLAA vs hard shadows and FSAA any day of the week
The 200GE can be overclocked to 3.9Ghz if used on an MSI board. It definitely has a lot of spunk for such a cheap CPU.
It can on this board as well. I've achieved 4.05GHz
Would of been interesting to see the GT1030 DDR5 and GTX750ti in the benchmark also
*wowza*!
The hd 6900s and gtx 500 series are dirt cheap now, if you are on a low budget look for any of these. I got a 6950 for $27 and a gtx 580 for $35. It strange when people try to sell low end cards at the same price as old high end cards.
hey man you said you'll upload your videos on another place (video hosting) but you don't leave the name of place or a link ...
I’m not sure what you mean? When did I say that?
I had Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 with Geofrce 7200 and 4GB ram
do the same with 2200g please.
Reminds me of a HD 4850 i had that i got clocked to 850MHz with a pencil volt mod and a triple heat pipe CPU cooler i zip tied on ;-) i think i got it close to 1GHz but it ran hotter than i liked and at 850Mhz it was the sweet spot cool, stable, and super quiet.
Also reminds me that stock coolers back then sucked really hard, they where garbage.
well, if you're into retro-ish gaming (with some hints of kindof new titles) on a really constrainted budget, pairing this CPU up with a modern day equivalent to the HD 4890 would actually be a decent deal!
HD 4890... ah, the first card I had which ran over 1GHz core clock.
Damn you're lucky. My old HD4890 could only achieved a meager 930mhz. I didn't have the heart to push it further as it already screams near 90C 5minutes in on Furmark.
@@rush21hit Furmark murders TeraScale cards because they don't have any power tuning. It doesn't show how the cards will run under any realistic stress. Run something more indicative of a real-world use, like 3DMark. With that said, most 4890s are running 1.3125v and 930-945MHz is the normal OC range. There are 1.4v and even 1.5v capable cards that go as high as 1050MHz on air.
@@FixedFunction I see. Its just that the mere thought of having my hardware dies on me send shivers down my spine. I retired my old 4890 to 750ti. I OC it few days before buying 750ti out of frustration. Because AMD classified it for Legacy driver from then on, even if I understood why. I just couldn't accept it.
I wrap it on its box it came with in my cabinet.
I am now using RX570 8gb, sold the 750ti.
Since nobody wants to buy 4890 in this day and age :')
Would be nice to see this with the 2400g and compare.It shows even on vega 3 new games are so well optimized.In the old days we didn't have that
That case makes me cringe so many better itx options that support full length gpus. But good information on the video!
Round 2, maybe see if the Vega 8 of the 2200G scales with the old titles
I wonder how good the 4890 and 4850 would do with the modded Crimson drivers.
Do you have a link? Wouldn’t mind trying them out.
F2F Tech budget builds official did a video on it, they are a bit fiddly to get installed and working though. The link is in the description.
m.th-cam.com/video/i8AuitM-HBo/w-d-xo.html
Yeah i need to try that one out again. Had some issues the first go round
I can't help but wonder if the mid 2000s games wouldn't actually perform better on the Vega 3 via Linux and Gallium9, VK9, or whatever Proton and Steam Play use.
TBH I'm surprised it did this well against dedicated GPUs. The VRAM alone I figured would have put even a fast chip like this far below even the HD3870 when the HD3870 was running appropriately. From what I've seen online (I can only find mobile Athlon 200GE Vega 3 specs) this thing only has 4 rops. Does this chip really do this well with so few rops? I mean even the Radeon 9700 had double the rops of this
I gave a friend an old HD 5770, and thought about him getting a Ryzen 2200g instead, and use that without the HD 5770.
Hope to create a similar test in the future.
Off camera , you can test some famous budget GTX card to see if 200GE hold the "Budget king" seat for another year ?
So basically the vega3 is on par with hd6670/r7 240 theoretically?
So cute mini build, is like a toy for a kid, and I am a kid ♥♥♥
Old tech rules on old software.
You need to make more videos.
Wish I could. I’m tapped atm
No thermal paste? Hmm, odd choice.
Great video either way.
Cheers
It’s pre-applied on the HSF. Shown in odd little squares on the underside.
Thermal paste is pre-applied as you can (very) briefly see as the grid of dots at 3:39.
Ha, didn't see you replied was at that part in the video when I read it.
@@F2FTech I did notice it after watching it again. That's my fault.
Now Overclock Vega3, then add to comparison Vega 8 and Vega 11)
You can't.
When something costs $59.95, just say "sixty dollars".
He will be wrong
I actually said $55 dollars so I'm wrong either way :)
My Radeon HD 7750 Sapphire (2GB GDDR3) carried my my old rig for over half a decade and assists my Ryzen 3 2200G (not GE) with Vega 8 since it benchmarks just a few under it... Yes that's right a graphics card from 2011-2012 is in the high end... thats not because newer GPU's aren't decent but because the 7750 is one of the most stable radeon cards out there...
Even now the only games it's struggling are brand new ones or ones that have photo realistic graphics such games like: Star Citizen, Black Desert, Dauntless, Anthem and Apex Legends...
The general theme is it lags out around populated areas in these high end games I believe that's likely due to having to render so many custom characters in such a high fidelity it's a tough job for a 6-7 yr old card...
I managed to pick up the slack in most of these games by Overclocking on my RAM, CPU and Graphics Memory Speed frequencies
Getting from 2666mhz in RAM up to 2800Mhz,
then the cpu from 3500mhz (2.5Ghz) to 3850Mhz
and then managed to get the built in graphics from 400Mhz
(for some stupid reason idk ask the man) up to 1600Mhz.
Notice: Keep in mind i'm using a budget build so if you want a supercomputer to play the games i mention on ultra Ryzen 3 isn't enough for you!
I saw a small improvement in
Star citizen and VR Chat by 5 -10 more fps and that's in a 1080 resolution
Golf with your friends
saw absolutely no improvement at all...
Black Desert
now allowed me either option of 2560x1440 VSR (Virtual Super Resolution) with the same amount of frames I had prior in 1920x1080
or the option to switch on the remastered while running at slitghly better frames than before (which despite them saying it runs faster after the 1st day I cameback and was for some reason worse in optimisation)
Dauntless: This saw the most dramatic improvement I was now able to manage playing the game faster in 1440 VSR than I did prior to the OC in 1080 this meant that when I played in 1080 with my desktop as 1440P It was almost completely smooth probable around a 20 to 25 frame gain although that maybe be due to optimisation since it's a new game...
I'd test on anthem but I don't have it I just tried the demo which was running at 15fps but even if I could the full game is better optimised so I wouldn't be able to tell how many fps were gained from the oc!
What I can tell you is that in every other game Elite, Defiance 2050, Warframe, Champions Online, and every other game older than 3 yrs will probably run at 4K when OCed some of which will probably run at factory settings...
Remember to be careful and run tests when overclocking and only increase by increments of 0025mhz
until the part you are overclocking crashes in the a benchmark test
then put back it down by 25 and restart and that will be your limit
(due to the lottery luck of overclocking you could reach as far as 4ghz but even if you do don't push past it or your cpu may melt down)
and don't put your voltage any higher than 1.45v unless you wanna fry your cpu
1.35v is commonly reccomended this is generally cause of cpu temperature.
mine gets to a toaster 45-55 Celcius while gaming!
There is a Ryzen setting in power settings for windows 10 computers now I recommend using it!
Sadly now my HD 7750 is the weak link compared to the DDR4 RAM 2666Mhz, 3.5GHZ processor, Vega 8 Graphics and A320M-K motherboard especially overclocked to 2800Mhz, 3.85GHZ and 1600Mhz...
So I am probably gonna sell it and get a better discrete card so I can get better frames on the super high end games... atm it sits at around £115 which is funny cause when i bought it, the card was only worth £79.99 first hand this isn't inflation it's just it benchmarks well against new cards!
Long life to integrated graphics !!!
The only iGPUs worth using for gaming today are the Vega 8 and 11.
I would think thermals would be way easier with the 35watt apu
Too bad they don't ship to Europe :( That case could be just what I need
If you really want it then you could get someone on eBay to import it
Hd 4850 is still a beast if only Navi would cost 199 like hd 4850 at launch which was beating 9800gtx that is like Navi beating rtx 2070 at 199.They would capture a huge market share but its not gonna happen.
this wat i like and want pc classic people forgot from where we came to ur gtx srry RTX2080Ti...
Where did you get working Windows 10 drivers for these old AMD cards?
They auto install with Windows update
Well, that's interesting... Win10 couldn't find a driver for my HD 3450. Ok thanks for checking this out. :)
I'm thinking the Vega 3 might be memory bandwidth starved in some of these games.
I'm surprised you tested the 2600XT and not the 1GB HD2900XT or HD2900 Pro. For that matter they did make a 1GB HD2600XT.
Yeah, performance of the 2900 XT would fall pretty close to the HD 3870, so I figured I’d test the 2600 XT instead. I thought I was testing my 512 model...turns out I wasn’t 🤔
radeon x1300xt old school radeon AMD phenom 9850 black edition old school procesor cpu
7:26 Meh, I don't think it looks too bad. Could always just ask my mom to crochet a cover for it.
i sometimes wonder if the fact that some of these newer games are so incomparable with older cards , is not a hardware issue as much as it is a lack of driver support. because lets face it,, why support old hardware when you can force a sell of new hardware ;)
Now compare it to the last good APU, the A10 7890k
"""Good""" those apus have aged horribly from what i remember
Does the Vega3 outperform a 2gb GeForce gt710?
Yes the Vega 3 outperform the GT 710 and even the GT 730...
@@ismaelsoto9507
The reason I ask is that I use Linux Mint and apparently the drivers are not ready for the 200ge therefore I bought the gt710 (€57) as Nvidea writes drivers for Linux distros.
The pc is setup as a server with basic video editing.
Many thanks
@@badger67 Well for Linux distros, the NVidia GPU's have better support and drivers than AMD GPU's in general, but I think that AMD will have better Drivers for Linux in the future...
You are welcome!
@@badger67, I installed Linux Mint 19.1 and the HDD is flashing once every few seconds, do you have this problem before adding the GT710?
humm... Interesting.
At that price, I'd rather get an inwin chopin case instead.
For an APU I’d agree, but for POWAH! This case isn’t much bigger and can house a 500w PSU and a GTX 1080/2070 SFF GPU.
HD 2600XT, even with GDDR4 was piece of shit. I had that card and it was slower than GF 7600GT which i owned before... Tested in FEAR and Crysis back in 2008. I remember the distribution between HD3870, HD4850 and HD4870 cards (all 512 MB) in Crysis at 1680x1050, DX9, no AA, high settings: 22/33/44 FPS respectively (Windows 7).
Yeah performance under Windows 10 hasn’t been kind to early TeraScale cards. Using XP or Vista would show better performance.
Is Ryzen 2500U With vega 8 graphicd good?
Yeah, certainly not bad for a mobile chip. Just need to have realistic expectations. Plenty of videos on TH-cam showing performance
So then the next logical step is 2200G and 2400G
PS honestly AMD should retire the athlon name and should call these chips Ryzen1, dual core 4 thread chips, 4 & 8 MB L3cache, and various default frequencies.
Ryzen 1, 1000 & 1100
Ryzen 1, 2000 & 2100
If they move the Ryzen architecture to 2c4t cpus, they would make a huge e-sport PC for the money, cause they are already making good high-end cpus, but the low cost is for i3, sadly.
AMD already said they weren't gonna have ryzen touch dual core, so they had to use some other name of theirs to justify dual cores (they should've used sempron instead)
@@valentinoishere1541 the Ryzen 1200/1300/2200G ($75-$95) competes with the i3-8100($115-120), i3-8300($135-145), and beats i3-7100, 7300, i5-7400, i3-6100, 6300, i5-6400, i5-6500 ($110-$140). Cheer up have a Ryzen3!
@@hughjassstudios9688 I hear ya but for non-pc enthusiasts who just look at store shelves product continuity is critical. When they are looking at a 4790k, or an 8600k they only gonna see an i7 & an i5 and choose i7 cuz i7>i5. They will see Ryzen 7, 5, 3 and ask what's an Athlon? Is that better or worse than Ryzen?
intel cire series exists?