Billy Corgan talks about smashing pumpkins on Howard Stern Show 6.19.12
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- Billy Corgan talks about smashing pumpkins on Howard Stern Show 6.19.12
Billy Corgan, former Smashing Pumpkins lead singer (and current front man of the new Smashing Pumpkins) gave a great interview to Howard Stern yesterday morning. In the mind of Corgan--he held together the very dysfunctional Smashing Pumpkins.
This interview was the best interview I ever heard with Billy. Howard got him to go real deep. It would be great if someone would upload the full thing!
Turns out he didn't like the 2012 line-up either.
Is there a particular interview somewhere on TH-cam where he's slagging them?
If so please link it.
He can say what he wants about them, and I'll admit Billy always was the driving force behind it all and he's a musical genius, but the band has never been the same since the four of them were together. It might be because his style and ambitions have changed, but he hasn't put out anything close to as great as those first three albums and probably never will. I think he knows that and deep down he's disappointed that it fell apart. But I think there's no one in particular to blame, it was a combination of Billy being a control freak, Jimmy's drug problems and the others wanting to be in the spotlight.
Just because Billy is being frank and personal about his experiences with his band with Howard, doesn't by default make him an "egomaniacal douche", as I see in a lot of these comments. In contrast, it actually makes him seem more down to earth; I respect his candor and honesty. In my opinion, a self-absorbed rockstar would just sit there and barely succumb to reveal anything truly personal, only superficially plugging whatever his world is at the moment and what he's doing. Billy's earned his stripes and is a true genius and made the Pumpkins. James and D'arcy were jealous, insecure, and ultimately ungrateful. That's basically it in a nutshell.
the other people aren't smart enough to get what you say. good comment.
agreed. the pumpkins have always been billy corgan's vision that he shares with a group of people. and he is very articulate in what he wants the band to be. i respect that perfectionism and singleminded pursuit of the idea that is the smashing pumpkins. however, not to defend the others, but billy also is also culpable for the old band's breakup. we all know that he was a far better musician that james and d'arcy. however he acted upon it and they, particularly james, got pissed about it. particularly the let it come down argument. james chose to express himself outside of the band, and billy was hurt basically because he wasn't involved.
This is all remarkably true. I am a huge Pumpkins fan, and just as much a fan of Billy. However, if we look back at the height of the band in the 90's, when they put out and were touring in support of Mellon Collie, the band were bombarded with every possible indulgence you can imagine, playing about 200 shows in a single year, and were thrown large sums of money. As a band solely beloning to Billy, it was his responsibility to maintain good morale and sustain a sense of leadersip internally. When Jimmy went off the deep end, and when Darcy confided that the tour was too much, he kept prodding them forward when really, he should have listened to Her to take time off.
I do hold Billy accountable for many things that only now in recent interviews he acknowledgeshave resulted in his short sightedness during that period. Had he been more on point as being the leadertype, it could have prevented a lot of things that later happened down the road.
Okay, I love Billy as an artist, don't get me wrong, SP is my favorite band, but when he talks about James making his own solo album record deal without telling him.... Like, come on dude, why does he have to tell you? Billy even says when he found out his reaction was like, 'Oh okay, that's cool, I've been encouraging him for years to do his own thing.' Clearly, though, that's not how he felt if he goes on to say, 'He didn't even ask for my opinion as a friend, I woulda even probably like shadow wrote some of it so it would be better.' Okay, sure, I can see why Billy might be hurt on a personal level by someone who he saw as a friend keeping that secret from him, but like, isn't the whole point of it being a solo album that he doesn't want anyone's help writing it? And if he did want help he would ask. Like, how can Billy accuse James of being insecure and having a big ego when Billy's the one saying, 'Okay, I'm glad he's trying to make his own music, good for him, but he coulda asked me to help him, I woulda even wrote some stuff for him. At the very least he coulda asked my opinion.' Like, what? And to be clear, I think Billy is very clearly a much more talented musician than James, so I'm not biased towards James or anything.
Billy understood that Iha didn't have the talent to be a successful solo musician on his own. He was right. But his mistake was in not just letting Iha fail and learn it the hard way. He wanted Iha to succeed.
I can totally understand that James wanted his solo album to be his own thing, artistically speaking.
OK if Jimmy Darcy James didn't matter and Billy is the golden goose why is it not working out for Billy with the "new" Pumpkins? It's a collective effort but media always gos to the front man and that won't change. Chemistry with the originals is what delivered that beautiful sound. I still love the pumpkins either way but its obvious they all had their demons.
Fuck their new stuff, they were better in the 90s. Billy wasn't the only songwriter either, James wrote a lot of their stuff to help, so it's no wonder he might've been pissed. Jimmy and D'arcy were always kind of crazy, but in the end they were probably the best band that lasted through 90s.
James Iha deserves more credit billy
totally agree, i'm someone that usually doesn't care about that type of thing but james wrote a lot of parts with billy on a lot of their hits i thought billy should've given him way more credit. not saying it was all james but james wrote some key parts on 'soma' 'cherub rock' 'mayonaise' i could go on but you get it lol
Why? Billy wrote 98% of the songs.
Respect the dude making you millions . Golden goose
@@allsystemsgo8678 lmaooo James Iha wrote Mayonaise, Soma, and Farewell and Goodnight so he definitely deserves credit. Sorry dude James Iha is underrated as fuck
@@ian7388He co-wrote them with Billy if Im not mistaking.
Corgan's comments regarding not being consulted about Iha's solo album are ridiculous. Even if his suggestions could have improved the record, surely the whole point of Iha recording his own album was that it didn't have anything to do with Corgan!
It would probably have been better with Corgans involvement, seeing as Ihas album was really quite boring and average. Iha should be more grateful towards Corgan seeing as he would probably never have gotten a record deal without his Pumpkins fame
Leo B but that's missing the point. sure, let it come down may have had stronger songwriting had billy joined in, but the point of james deliberately securing his own record deal without billy's involvement was so he could put out his own music and his own music only after a decade in the pumpkins. now, i don't want to defend james too much, as he is the main reason the original pumpkins stay broken up, but for billy to insist that james was incapable and needed his help during that one specific album puts him at fault and only keeps james from seeking his help even more. i remember billy saying time and time again how it's stupid for the public to latch on to one conception of the pumpkins (that being the hit-generating machine of the siamese dream and mellon collie days) and then not want the band to grow artistically. thus it's hypocritical for billy to say that, then not want james to be free to do his own music.
John Smith I think what Billy is saying is that the record would have been better with his involvement, and as James friend and bandmate, he wanted him to succeed
y0sh1100 personally i think it's very magnanimous for billy to want his bandmates to be personally and artistically successful. however, in the case of james' album, he missed the point entirely, because while i trust he supported the idea of james being successful he didn't support the idea of james being successful alone. i think that james is kind of forcing things by making a point of making the album solely his own, but billy probably should have respected james' decision, because james expressing everything he wanted to express is what billy has been going for his entire career. this is a very sensitive topic that can and does go both ways, and there are argument for and against both sides. i guess it's up to the public to figure out for themselves who they side with.
Yeah, what the hell? The whole point of a solo record is that it’s a solo record lol. He wanted to do his own thing, it had nothing to do with Billy. It’s incredibly narcissistic.
The crazy thing is, james and Darcy were well known. Smashing pumpkins was one of the few bands that everybody knew every members name
@americanspyfox hey spy fox 🦊
The thing that never ceased to amaze me about this bit of interview is when Billy is talking about James' first solo album. Well, Billy, maybe James didn't ask for your imput and want your imput because it was his SOLO album ? To think that he, Billy, could make it better is a very arrogant thing to say. I love Billy, but honestly, I think he's burned out. He wrote so many songs over the years. I didn't like Oceania (I preferred some stuff on "Zeitgeist" actually). And he's surrounded by yes men and "yes band members"...
Yeah he doesn't get that. He's a control freak. But I get it. Every band has to have the guy that pushes you. In The Beatles it was Paul McCartney. George Harrison was good, but there's recordings of Paul telling him what to play on certain Paul songs. Paul's bassline on Something completely makes the song. So yeah it's easy to get jealous, but guys like Billy and Paul know how to make a song a hit. Billy Corgan is good because he pushes himself. Iha never made it because he didn't have that internal voice saying "Do another take. Do another take. Make it perfect." Billy Corgan has that and, like it or not, you need that. Paul McCarney had that. So if Iha wanted to make a solo album to make a solo album, that's cool. But it sounds like Billy wanted him to be successful in it. Iha might have just wanted it off his chest. Didn't care if it flopped. Billy doesn't think like that. He thinks perfection. Iha probably gave him advice too so he probably took offense to it in saying "Oh I share my work with you and let you critique it, but you hide yours from me?" I used to think Billy was a dick (and he is), but I understand his madness a lot more lately. Billy isn't cocky because he thinks he's some divine gift to earth and songwriting. He's good because he is confrontational and he works hard. He doesn't cry when the label tells them one of his song sucks. He stays in the studio until songs are perfect. That line about Iha being 7 feet away on stage is very true. There's a lot of effort that goes into what he does.
dummytree friends talk about music together, if my band mate (granted we aren’t famous but even MORE now in my case) but if my own band mate did a solo record and DIDNT SAY A WORD to anyone in my band, I’d be pretty upset too
@@projecticeman365 Agreed. It's a little weird James doesn't mention it. I don't think it's all that arrogant for a guy who's already several dozen songs, multi platnuim albums to think maybe I could give a few pointers to a guy who's never written a song on his own.
dummytree Oceania was a pretty nice album with a unique sound in my opinion.
At the moment the guy felt that way because there was no way anybody could improve his by-then songs. I'm not saying they're perfect, I'm not saying everyone all around the world likes those songs but every instrument, played key, and drum beat is where they belong. If someone could make a better *version* out of that work then it'd be a cover, not an improvement by changing the songs as they were made.
He just said "I could make his songs better" and I bet that would've happened.
Everybody seems to hate the guy who's too talented...sad but true. Everybody always supports the others in the band, feeling sorry for them and bashing the leader. Well you know what? That's fucking wrong. Iha and D'arcy were acting like brats, butthurt brats and its obvious Billy was trying hard to keep the band together but they just couldn't stand it that he was so much bigger as a persona and artist.
you know it all, because im sure you were in the band..ha gimme a break
John Bobie
I feel like I was, reading Billy's diary. :P
Yeah...however, I wouldn't count Jimmy among them, he was always fair to Billy and except from his drug addiction, didn't create problems for the band harmony. Great drummer too.
***** Correction: Billy AND Jimmy made the band. Jimmy was in the studio almost as much as Billy was. Listen to Billy when he says "Jimmy is one of the greatest drummers ever".
***** lol well written for an uneducated moron. Stay in school. Mom and dad would be so proud of you
If Stern gets his head any further up Corgans butt he may meet Billy in there! Corgan is a genius and I love the pumpkins but come on. I can't believe he said he would have offered to shadow write some of James's solo album. Classic!
lmaoo
Billy is looking at it from a purely business point of view - how to get the most sales and publicity. He wasn't considering it from the perspective of a guy who wants to do his own thing and be his own man, separate from Corgan and the Pumpkins. On the other hand though, Iha never would have gotten that opportunity if it weren't for the fact that he was riding on Corgan's genius for so long. He didn't seem self-aware enough to realize that he just didn't really earn that opportunity on his own (and the end results prove that). I don't think either of them were in the right.
I don't like hearing Billy criticize James' solo album, because i love Be Strong Now, and i don't see how James' solo album is any of Billy's business. I love the originally Pumpkins, but BIlly needs to realize that James is a HUGE talent, and Billy you DON'T have a right to tell James how to make his solo album. James' solo album is great,
It's one thing to meet him as a fan. Of course he's going to be nice to fans. It's another thing to work with him. I work in the entertainment industry. I see the two sides of musicians and actors all the time.
Funny hearing him trash and talk so much shit about James here. And now they are back together lol James has the patience of a saint to deal with Billy's shit. And yeah yeah I know Billy is a talented genius. Still he needs to humble himself a bit and realize he got to the top with James, Jimmy, and D'arcy. It sucks that Jimmy and D'arcy were so heavy into drugs. Still Pumpkins are one of the best bands of any era. Feel like they get overlooked a lot.
i disagree. james' solo album was one of the albums of my teens yearsm, and me and my best friend listened to it every day. it's a great album. and james has proven what a great musician he is in his work since the pumpkins, with a perfect circle. James was absolutely a a world class musician when he was with the pumpkins.
nobody said james isn’t a good musician even Billy said he’s a good musician he’s just not Billy Corgan.
I like Billy Corgan. Great musican, well spoken, and very smart. I like Iha too.
Howard big time projecting onto Billy. Howard is thinking about Stuttering John and Jackie Martling with these questions. However, unlike Howard, Billy has shown an ability in recent years to forgive and self reflect.
"I would've been the friend that would've said, you could write a better...I would've even shadow wrote some of the stuff for him and never even said a word" -
Geez Billy, I wonder why he didn't tell you. Seriously, Corgan's ever-swelling ego has become nauseating.
+Daniel Sacilotto He would have pushed him, not take over his project.
Historically, people who speak the whole truth are often considered "egomaniacs". IE: John Lennon, Salvador Dali, etc. I believe Billy fits into that group; an incredibly honest person who happens to also be incredibly talented. It's not his fault that he was a genius, when none of his other bandmates were (besides Jimmy).
cant stand the man, loved the albums
i think its ironic that billy replaced james and darcy with a half asian and a girl, and jimmy with a drummer that has a style like jimmy and who's favorite drummer is jimmy. Either everything is one big coincidence, its like he's going so far to recreate the pumpkins
Billy Corgan is a badass and right.
if billy is such the musical god you people proclaim him to be then why hasn't his music with out the other 3 members been as good or half as good?
that is a matter of opinion. you know that, right ?
pertaining to what?
Oceania is actually pretty good. I would say that it's as good as Machina/Machines of God. While James Ihas solo stuff is really average. As for D'Arcy, well, she didn't release any material as far as I know
i think that oceania is a fantastic album. just because it doesn't crack the top ten doesn't mean it sucks compared to pumpkins version 1993. i personally think billy has grown a lot artistically and it's a delight to hear that on the new album. the fact that he has been able to sustain a career for 20+ years based on a single, ever-evolving vision proves enough. actually, it's your kind of attitude that actually makes people see the new pumpkins as weak, because a lot of people have been attached more to the idea of the smashing pumpkins as four people rather than an idea conceived by billy and shared with whom he chooses. and because of that, a lot of diehard fans won't even go near the new stuff, simply because james, d'arcy, and jimmy aren't on it.
i personally don't have a problem with the newer stuff.im not saying it isn't good music or great music,but the fact that people always downplay everyone excluding billy really bothers me.they all had contributions to the band and pretty big ones,but the billy fan club can't see past what they want to believe and read.again i like his music as a whole but people made it seem like he was the only reason why the albums/songs/music were as great as it was back then and now a lot frown at it because it can't live up to the past
Cause he's not actually helping James or letting him follow his dreams (like he said) by ghostwriting his songs. Jams Iha actually had some okay solo stuff. Howard Stern is only trashing on it cause he's on Billy's D.
I've been looking up Iha interviews, and it's strange but whenever the subject of the SP days are brought up he just "laughs" and says "I hardly remember." He really avoids speaking about it, no matter how many people ask him to.
jimmy chamberlain is an incredible drummer
Well they've all made up, so let's forget this interview ever happened lol
They have? Are they coming back?
uh, with exception of Darcy, but yes for the most part.
Agreed! Except the 1st statement. Calling him an ego-maniac is sorta a cop-out. It's like calling someone "crazy", it's vague and lazy. Billy was in control of that band because it was HIS creation, his idea, his songs. They all knew their roles, just didn't play them. Billy was sneaky at times, but always for the music's sake. I'm glad he did what he did. Anyway, I'm willing to bet he would have had the best intentions in that hypothetical. And yes,Iha could have used some pointers.
I've been listening to the pumpkins for about a year and it's upsetting to find out billy has gotten such bad press, etc. He's such a talented guy.
Corgan is the Smashing Pumpkins.
You know a band is quirky when the guy who OD's on Heroin is the most normal of the bunch
And before anyone mentions Darcey female bass players are NOT normal - she was a first born i just know it. Like my older sister
@RockMeAmadeus oh
Billy might be a self-centered egomaniac, but damn could he write a song
MrFreeGman he should just hire guy like Bob Dylan does
The thing Billy just does not get is despite him being a genius, it was Jimmy's drumming that was the beating heart of the Pumpkins. That heart controlled even Billy without him realising the importance of it.
he says over and over again Jimmy’s one of the best drummers.
Corgan is a hero of mine. I'm not a musician, but I admire genius of all kinds greatly.
JoJo McJoJo lmao. You have no idea. I am your messiah
Billy, just get Jimmy and James back, for the love of all that is holy... please.
figu7716 He got Jimmy back.
Welp, James and Jimmy are back now!
And I am so happy!!! I saw it and I couldn't believe it. \m/
figu7716 its over
It is kind of hard to believe the problem was all James, Jimmy, and Darcy. And so what if she wanted to be an actress? You need them back. They were interesting people.
+Nick Machiavelli eh, Darcy was the least important person
***** I just think she had a certain interesting personal style person that became memorable while playing with the rest of the band, not that she was particularly talented. If I hadn't been a teenager then where their images were ingrained in me, I would only consider Corgan important.
Nick Machiavelli Yeah, I wasn't around then so Billy is the only one that matters to me... Well, Jimmy Chamberlin isn't replaceable but the rest are.
He never said Jimmy had an attitude problem. And have you ever seen an interview with Darcy? She's a smug asshole. And James seems like a bit of a dimwit.
herbie747 agreed. every interview I've ever seen of Darcy is is just a straight bitch.
There are many bands which hit it big where one member was the primary creative force, yet the creative input (however small) of the other member was still very essential to the end product. Melissa AufDerMauer once said that Billy could create an album with any musicians and it would still be a Smashing Pumpkins album. True, yet have any of the post-Jimmy, D'Arcy, and James SP albums been as good as those with them? For SP, I think the early years just happened to be Billy's creative peak years
very well put =)
This remark killed me when I first heard it. Billy thinks he would have made James' album better with his imput. True or false, that was JAMES' album, and he wanted to do it his way! And the other remark "write your own fucking songs"? James did, songs that ended on his solo album were demoed for "Mellon Collie"...
Maybe James didn't want Billy's input? Maybe he wanted to do his own thing?
Just listened to some of Iha's solo record & he's a much better singer. Impressed.
It's all good until the money and fame hits then self entitlement takes over. It should be discussed up front. Hey this isn't a band! I'm a solo artist. We are not equal! You are my employees!
I realize you're being sarcastic, but that's how they should of thought of it. When you're in a band where the singer is also the guitar player, writes all of the lyrics and 98% of the music you should know he's calling all the shots. How naive do they have to be they're equal. They didn't even play on the first two albums, lol
Howard sucks but the interviews with WPC were always interesting to listen to. I remember the 2012 interview with Billy.
5:06 Billy answers his own question I think. James did a SOLO album. It was James's album, so why WOULD he ask for Billy's help?
wannabe stern, talking to corgan like hes a fellow band member and knows exactly what corgan is going through, too funny
i think a lead singer has certain qualities that make them a good lead, but those same qualities at times come off as negative when the cameras are off.. so its a situation where the band must take the bad with the good to succeed.. but they only wanted the good... like my dad can be annoying but he is also super reliable.. so its like i have to accept him fully, i cant just say “be this today and be that tomorrow” or in their case “be this on stage and be that behind the scenes” .. they need to give him room to breathe
Almost feels weird knowing James ended up back in The Pumpkins hearing all this.
Oceania sucks! Sorry to say, but it does, and if someone want to go and do a solo album it doesn't reflect on the band. Acting is a different thing, but as far as music goes--When Billy came out with his own solo album that also sucked. It sucked in the way that I cannot remember one single song off of that album and it's been almost a decade when it came out. The Smashing Pumpkins are done! Time to change the name, it's long over due. Just go with Zwan pt. 2
Billy is a boss!!!
lol not
Bands only last when everyone knows their place and is happy in that place.
Maybe he just didnt like you. I met him 3 times after various shows over the past few years and hes always been great.
I don't think it's fair to criticize either side, we were just never involved with it, i'm sure that most of it was mis-communication and just a bunch of misunderstandings, as Billy indirectly says here, they're all great talent, and James said that he's not gonna say he's "never" going to reunite with the rest of the Pumpkins, so whatever happens happens, as much as I love the old guys, and the new guys.
What Mr Corgan isn't talking about is that he overdubbed everyone's part on the entire Adore record without telling them about it, I'd be pissed as hell at him too.
That’s a false claim. James was entirely involved in the recording of Adore and his guitar playing is all over the record. D’Arcy was rarely present in the studio, because she had problems. Billy has said that Shame was the only song they recorded all three of them live together in the studio, so that automically makes your claim “entire Adore record” untrue.
It is not known how many other songs on Adore have D’Arcy’s playing. In any case, D’Arcy has always been very open about Billy recording bass on Gish and Siamese Dream, and while she has accused Billy of many things in recent years, she never said that Billy overdubbed/re-recorded anything without her knowing it.
Iha's kind of useless, in terms of being a guitar player growing up loving the Pumpkins, you knew it was all Billy. There was no James Iha sound, or technique.
founded a perfect circle? he was like their 3rd guitarist
No he wasn't. He joined in 2003 as a rhythm guitarist replacing Danny Lohner. The lead guitarist is Billy Howerdel who's an actual founding member. James didn't even play on the first 2 perfect circle albums.
Because they're not a 4 pc band and he's not the only guitarist. You realize there's this thing called the internet where you can watch their concerts or read about their line ups on Wikipedia.
What have I been wrong about?
Current members
Maynard James Keenan - lead vocals (1999-present)
Billy Howerdel - lead guitar, backing vocals (1999-present)
James Iha - rhythm guitar, keyboard, backing vocals (2003-2004, 2010-present)
Matt McJunkins - bass, backing vocals (2010-present)
Jeff Friedl - drums, percussion (2011-present)
Producer...DJ? That doesn't mean his guitar playing is anything special. Just means he knows how to work a computer. Again there is no Iha sound, or technique. He's just a run of the mill rhythm player who apparently had problems laying down simple tracks.
Corgan was the musical talent behind SP and a bloody intelligent guy but to be fair, Jimmy was a good drummer. Iha and D'arcy were rubbish -you could have substituted them with any other two-bit guitarists and SP would have been just as successful -in fact probably more so. Iha's solo album was comically bad!
MsPark i agree..James n Darcy along with their musical talent provided edge, style, attitude n image to the band that was important.
I think Iha's album is great. An average singing voice, sure but nothing offensive and more importantly, his compositional style is really strong.
James is a killer guitar player
I am real! OK?
Billy saying that he was "willing to shadow write some of Iha's solo album" shows that Billy is indeed an egomaniac and far from innocent in the band's inner conflicts. I don't doubt what he's saying about James and D'arcy is true, but it's just half the story. And in the end, I'm sorry: but none of the members have done a solo album that even comes near the genius of the original SP albums.
thw whole interview is on vevo... I love your songs billy and i hope one day you reform your friendship . I dont know why but I can feel some sadness in their words (billy and james) they need each other like brothers,. Don't wait until someone dies , same happened to the stone roses .. and it could happen to the smashing pumkins,
this is a James interview watch?v=5Ri70WV7tiY
I know James and Jimmy reunited recently with billy hope this leads to new material. You never know
+Jere M Whatever configuration of the band Billy ends up putting together, Jeff isn't going anywhere. Jeff is as much the Smashing Pumpkins now as anybody ever has been.
Yes, this is true, but you know how there is one person at work that is just a pain to deal with? That's Billy Corgan.
and what happened with marcy?
did she up'n'runoff with hu-ha then?
gad dang,see i'm always the last to know these things
He doesn't mean that James was beholden to him in any way. He's just saying that even though James knows that Billy's really talented and would be willing to help him in any way, he didn't go to him because of his ego and because their friendship wasn't really happening at that time.
Can you post the full Billy Corgan interview please?
yeah APC are cool. but early pumpkins were so much better. Though i have to say, i really like the new line up and the new album. its great. Pumpkins is pretty much Billy corgan with a great drummer and other musicians that are good at playing and interpreting billys songs in a non egoic way
He wants people to like the new stuff more than just liking the old stuff, what he is saying, is that he's just there, people want to hear the old stuff, and the new stuff I great I'm not complaining, Im glad there still making music. It's kinda how people only wanted to hear it smells like teen spirit by nirvana, that's the only thing they came there for, kinda like the same with the smashing pumpkins, people want to just go there for the old stuff.
The money does it every time- I would probably have tried to strike a deal where the writer(s) split the first 20 percent, and the remaining 80 is split 4 ways or something like that. It incentivizes everyone to write. When one guy is making 10 times what the rest of the band is making, it's not going to be a band for long.
i never said anything about the solo album, i said take me down off of mcis was atrocious. most of the songs off tafh were pretty bad too. He wa snot a greta musician, especially if this same guy didnt write any material for little under a decade
if only billy stick up to his smashing pumpkins band mate on this interview, not played along with this interviewer who praised him so much whilst bashing the other band member, maybe there's a chance that we can see the old smashing pumpkin return. and this is clearly my opinion now, its Billy who still stuck on the past, he want james and darcy back but still want everything according to his way. well he certainly cant have that with james and darcy. so either be happy with his band as it is (which i still like), change his way of thinking and ask them to start again, or hoping and waiting for the other two to ask him to take em back . talking shit about them on an interview is just not right even if you think you're on right side, right? all and all, i like Billy's work i hope for the best to you man.
sorry, don't know how great the drumming was, having grown up with a great drummer, that was and stilll does clean the floor with most, but addicts are a problem, having covered for a couple, i can tell you addicts, can f up your life
what did hu-ha do---see anyone could've played his parts--are they even audible?
Zwan was more Smashing Pumpkins than the 2012 lineup of Smashing Pumpkins
So many cheap shots lol o well musicians are fucked. I’m Guilty :3
i hope one day i can write with you. he's just answering the questions he's being asked, although i will agree he is very harsh in what he is saying about his old band members. who knows if he could have made things better or not, betterment is an opinion.
but none of you are looking at the obvious point that he sings and plays the songs at the same time very well. He has all 4 musical instruments lamented to his voice and guitar.
i've been their, done that & it still hurts Billy so i know! who will ever know that the group i was in would of been the opening band for The Smashing Pumpkins???? till this day i'm baffled & asked myself why with no answers. just facing reality & moving on...
I think everyone knows the story with D'arcy. James and Billy had different goals, and it made them resent each other.
he's damn symmetrical and a great guitarist. billy is fucking fine.
I'm not egotistical at all. I work with all kinds of people. Some are nice, some are jerks. That's all there is to it.
This actually explains alot about why pumpkins broke up. I actually think i see why billy and james hate each other so much
Jimmy is on a level even dave grohl hasn't reached
He said Bon jovi wrote his own songs... Ha.
Speaking of A Perfect Circle, Howerdel is one of my favorite guitarists, along with Mikael Åkerfeldt and Chris Squire.
There's a few drummers I'd talk to. RIP Neil.
Bums that were there since the 80s, that is some commitment to be label bums. Bums that after all these years Billy still has resentment and animosity towards them for leaving the band. Bums that were in almost every Smashing Pumpkins video/ Bums that played together all over the world in sold out shows and stadiums. I'd sure like to have these bums in my band if given the chance.
I've met him personally, so yeah I do know him.
I didn't say I didn't meet him. I gave a general overview of his personality.
so linear and judgmental Howie
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What a great clip, love Billy so much.
Billy is a genius-they are always misunderstood.
What in the name of god did that gob shite Dave Fanning say to them?
7:43 - 8:20…. Sums it up. Say what you want about Billy; but that's cold.
I wish he wouldn't rag on James like that! It possibly speaks volumes to why the original lineup doesn't want to be in the same room as him! Then again I'm just a chump on TH-cam!
Corgan should just retire gracefully....but we know that's not going to happen
why should he? Oceania was a good album
I will never understand how people think the bald pale look is a good look, it's not.
Love, hate, or just think he's funny lookin SP simply not could have broke through without a guy like billy
But I've worked with a number of extremely talented individuals with not-so-great people/managerial skills so I kind of sympathize with him
Wow, I can't believe in 2012 there is still so much animosity.
This is how much of a megalomaniac Billy is: he doesn't even understand that the whole point of Iha doing his own solo stuff was to NOT use his opinion. He still holds a grudge for Iha expressing himself without the approval or input of the Great Billy.
Did you even really listen to the audio? I'm no great Billy fan but he actually sounded pretty normal here and just pointed out the obvious.
I caught that too, in the "Graceful Swans of Never" documentary, one of the earliest things Billy said about James was when he was criticizing one of James' riffs, telling him to rearrange something, James got offended and wouldn't talk to him for like a month or something. I understand why James didn't want Billy's opinion about his solo album.
Seriously. Can't believe he said he would even ghost write the songs and not take credit. What? Seriously? Sounds like he has no idea how to back off.
Collin Smith Yeah, it reminded me of that part of the documentary, too. Though there, I think Corgan says "me being me" he was telling James what to do. So, at least there, he was acknowledging it. Here, he sounds oblivious. He thinks its some kind of generous offer to ghost write material? No wonder James wanted to get away from him.
***** I agree of course that Billy made the Smashing Pumpkins the success they were. He's incredibly driven. I still think it's crazy of him to complain that James Iha was going to run off and do a solo album without consulting him. And that "he would even shadow write songs" and not even take credit! How generous! Did it not occur to him that maybe James wouldn't want that? It doesn't matter how much better a songwriter he is, he should know to back off of someone else's solo project. Sounds arrogant. I doubt I would want to work with someone l like that.
Don't know how james put up with billy for all those years...
Money. Have you ever asked how people could shit their pants on a street corner daily and still have the balls to ask all the people on their way to work for money.
Don’t know how billy put up with ANYONE in that band for so many years. No disrespect to the other members but without billy they are nothing and would have never grown from that
@@projecticeman365 very true. maybe James would have been okay on his own from the very beginning, but the exception is Jimmy. he has always been a truly gifted musician, with or without Billy. let's not even talk about D'arcy.
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Yeah, I think James and Jimmy would have found their path, but they got attracted to the proper flame.
@@illerac84 yeah, for sure. ironically, i can't even picture the OG lineup in any other form unless it was those 4. there was something magical about it being those 4. despite all the tensions and passive aggressive dynamics, they make it work and the band cannot ever be in those great terms unless it was those 4. that being said, I'm glad the 'reunion' was successful even though Billy and D'arcy had their own rebooted fall out 2 years ago that resulted in her not being a part of it. too bad that didnt work out, but things happen for a reason.
anyway, Jimmy's 'Complex' band is great. Billy's solo stuff is okay too. And then James' solo work and his involvement with APC is all pretty great too. It is just that SP of all things considered, was that magical ticket that was the one thing that blasted them into the stratosphere together.