The reality is that most players will need to set personal boundaries for what they will and will not grind in p4 and on which characters. It isn’t easy for most WoW players to recognize that this is ok (myself included), but it’s been done many times in the past. Look at TBC back in the day, where most players needed to choose a main char to grind attunements on and accept that their alts would likely be used for farming profs, kara, and some lightweight pvp. Having lots of content options for players to choose from allows for players to choose what works best for them and keep the world feeling vast, however it will require players to make that decision rather than forcing Blizz to choose for them. That said, I hope basic mechanics for alts (like runes and some emerald faction items) are made easier to attain, due to the seasonal nature of the server.
tbc is a really good example. the attunements forced players to focus on one character. and yet the experience for most was very positive. i think you are onto something there. maybe pushing us to have mains for 3-4 weeks then add in some easier catchup with rep etc. or account wide attunes..emerald items etc like you say
@@A_Goat oh that's hella nice! but still you only need 1 person with the pattern and in all actuality you donit need anyone with them as you can find the craft in trade chat
Yes, there is A LOT to do in P4. But having this much content will probably mean that you can go different directions for gearing. Some will go R10, some do the T0 questline, some will craft and some just farm gear in dungeons.
what do you think ppl will do first? i feel like it's the 0.5 questlines. which i've somehow never done. need to start prepping/researching since apparently they are expensive
I feel like if they did anything less, then people would have said "P4 dead on arrival I am raid logging week 2". A lot of people wanted SOD to be their 'full time' game. This will be great. Excited to feel overwhelmed with choice.
ya it's the opposite of p1 where it was very alt friendly and some players complained you couldn't focus on 1 character. now it's very much that 2004 1 character design again
i know it sounds ridiculous when you put it that way lol but the modern mmo business model has these drought periods where there's no content followed by a boom period where they get everyone back in. its not gonna change anytime soon but smoothing it out wouldnt be crazy
@@NOHITJEROME ye true mate! I was just trying be sarcastic. I think its possible to have a lot of content and be alt friendly. One thing retail does well with all the catchup mechanics. I think with classic we need to be careful though with catchup mechanics, it takes away the feeling of the 'journey'. But some minor things would be fine imo, since sod is experimental and not classic classic. One simple example is the rune where you have to kill all the Dark Riders around the world. I would not care if that rune is one you do once and unlock for all alts.
WOW players are simply IMPOSSIBLE to please so... 🤷♂️ Anyway... I'm sticking to Hardcore... Nice... Easy... And enjoyable!!! Even though the game is brutally unforgiving 😊 But at least you can level as many alts as you like, at a nice chillaxed pace 👍🏼
Guys, the content is optional. Most of your pre BiS gear you can leverage with ST. The other items are such a minor upgrade it’s not even worth farming unless you are bored. It’s not as bad as you think
i like it but its very retail. one idea also would be acc wide tarnished coins. so you get them on 1 char you can use them on another. means you can pick any character to play on anytime
@@NOHITJEROME very retail? Retail has never had account wide reps, that's apparently coming in the next expansion but it's taken 20 years lol. Account wide reps does nothing but let you play more alts should be ZERO push back against that.
make reps account wide (or have an automatic catch up mechanic that triggers for characters that have lower reputation than the highest rep held on your account) , make the tarnished coin account wide - that would make the phase more alt friendly to begin with. World bosses should be similar to WoD where they would respawn every 15 mins and had a universal tag + personal loot. Then we could focus on dungeons, pvp and raiding without feeling like our alts are being left behind.
acc wide reps feel very retail but the tarnished coins being account wide would be incredible. i love that idea because it lets you play any number of alts that fit best for the situation. id be swapping between 3-4 characters
I never understood why they made some runes such a pain in the rear to get (thanks, Greenfield). It's just even worse trying to get them all on alts. Thumbs up for great videos.
Wtf blizzard. Easiest addictive fix ..random drops with random stats and at least 7 sets. People woild be forced to play non stop like gambling. Diablo style loot. How hard is it to make a game fun?
I think this viewpoint is incorrectly assuming what WoW is… If there is little content for one character then there is little content for alts (alt friendly) So if it takes one character a ton of time to achieve whatever it is you want to achieve, then it will also take an alt a ton of time as well…, imo that is why the game is being played, not so we can do the same minimal steps on multiple characters but so that each character has the chance to be enriched in whatever new paths are afforded to us by the devs.
this is a good point. we all want an mmo that gives us meaningful progression. thats why i liked runescape so much. it's not a bad thing wow is going that direction
I love thay theres all the new content i think jts a good thing, gives people lots of stuff to do ! That was the problem before nothing to do but incursions and ST
I don’t have a problem with the higher selection of raids to choose from personally. For people who lack self control, which, to be fair, is most wow players, (and let’s not ignore WHY they do. The subscription requirement pressures players to always be trying to get their money’s worth out of each single moment, and it’s a big reason I think it needs to go) I understand they’ll feel like they have to do all the raids each lockout, but I don’t think the game should be designed around that mindset. What I do narrow my eyes at, though, is the faster lockout reset schedule. I guess mop remix was testing this kind of change by having its raids be daily resets, but that didn’t feel overwhelming cuz the power scaling made heroic raids feel like a normal dungeon. A daily mop remix world tour didn’t take you much time. But you take a faster lockout schedule with the much more normal scaling of sod where you’re actually DOING the raids? THAT sounds overwhelming
I mean the bosses will be instances but I feel they along with Onyxia count as a “raid”. You can crank out ony in a few minutes and that’s even for casuals. I’m stoked to have one toon to just get everything done on
Why dont they make a quest where you collect all the world buffs one time in a boon and bring it to Chromie or something. She then stores them and you can purchase them going forward with the currency from dungeon boss or the bew event. You can either run around and still collect them if thats your thing or purchase them. Maybe even a daily quest to go run a specific dungeon gets you a reward you turn into Chromie. Thoughts?
it's the best idea. i love the initial step of collecting them. and i love getting them from the vendor. and i like that you still would would get all the benefits/negatives of WBs. i think players would be happy
@@Keykeykadee it's a really great idea. at the very least you promoting that idea opens the door to more creativity with WBs. every raid lockout, a new set of WBs is available from chromie. costs ie 5 tokens + 1 chronobooned buff of some type that rotates. so every week its a different buff you have to bring her
July 11...nice...so basically 2 weeks till raid and OH WAIT...2 weeks till TWW PrePatch...RIP. Blizz is just plain dumb for having 2 of their products compete. Bad Bad Bad timing on this release. Sadface.
Alts are not meant to be played when new content is out. A month or 2 into the phase it will be back to raid logging mainly until a new phase, you’ll have plenty of time for your alts then.
yeah fair point. OR we get magtheridon level world bosses. feels like sod is going the way you said though with the difficulties outside the extra MC loot modes
Yeah it's too much... I won't be playing. It was much better when it was simple and alts were doable. This is ridiculous. People have jobs and lives outside of wow.
the problem is in p1 the complaint was the game was forcing alting because there wasn't enough to do on 1 character. now it's the opposite. middle ground is very difficult
@NOHITJEROME I agree. But I liked the simplicity of p1 2 and 3. It gave us time to play other games as well. Now it's too much and most of us just don't have time for it. 20 man's already hurt raiding in SOD. Add all this in.. and idk, seems like it's gonna make it crumble. Lots of complaints rolling in already.
Ridiculous indeed. I am courious who's SOD's target audience? I bet blizz have data show some info like '3 real play account can bring 20 bot accounts'.
the "All or Nothing Fallacy" Fallacy, People think theres an obvious "middle ground" but there isnt and theyre better off going balls deep one direction
Great video. I would say over 7 raid lockouts your maybe spending 4-5 hours doing them per week. Even with the gearing up process your going to be raid logging on 1 character in about 6 weeks, where as if they had less lockouts and content it would have been 3 weeks. After about 6 weeks your going to have plenty of time to get those alts caught up and with no more leveling by P5 it will be more alt friendly.
hi kalive, definitely a good point that 4-5 hours doesn't make it seem so bad. that's pretty much how much i spend in cata right now. the difference is in cata you aren't really forced to rank, it's a safe bet a lot of gear will be locked behind AV and ranking as well. but i hope you are right on p5, a very alt friendly bwl / zg would be perfect
I dunno if I'm gonna do the rep farms on my main, let alone an alt, lol. At least there's a crap ton of content to do, no more raid logging for sunken temple. ^_^
ptr is live id definitely recommend checking out the blackrock stuff if you get bored waiting for p4. pretty interesting dailies over there, and we saw kelris in one of the caves and he dust to dusted us lol
I swear no matter what blizzard does people complain. Also I already know people with 2 characters at 60 in no way will alts be dead and having lots of content in the endgame can only be good what else would you want from a subscription game?
The thing that I HATE with a passion is pointless rep grinding aka killing furbolgs for 24h + just to get a recipe, if they are bringing more of it, I'm out, I don't just want the rep to give better stuff, I want it not to be time consuming and boring like it usually is. It always feels like a horrible waste of time. One of the main reasons you make alts is for more professions, this need would be reduced if they gave you 3 (or more) profession slots instead of the regular 2.
The two lockout per week is what's killing alts more than anything for me. It's such s fucking bummer. Give us weekly lockouts for everything instead of this live on sod shit
It is definitely going to be very very difficult not only levelling and grinding on my 6 alts, but definitely feel will only have main time for all the things for one maybe 2 alts to get to raid status with. Depending on the levelling grind and how long that takes. Will be able to get them all to 60, but doing the raid content, definitely less.
hi budgy, 6 alts is insane. i will do 2 characters at first. i think if you prequest now that's your best bet. can get all 6 to ~54 and then either blizz buffs leveling 2 weeks later or you just use rested experience on the rest
@@NOHITJEROME I may have an Alt problem haha That is a good plan :) maybe the searing gorge dailies will be a good amount of xp to smash out for alt levelling in the side :)
Just wait a bit till after launch till they nerf all the grinding. I learned my lesson already, the people that grind their ass off early will regret it later on (exception of P3 incursions), since they will make things easier to obtain. Think about the Waylaid rep, Ratchet vendor, XP boosts etc.
I think alot of people are not getting what people are complaining about with content. Its because its a seasonal league. So its timed. Its better to have quality over quantity. With blizzards rep quality isnt there best area
Is it just me or aren’t we really getting anything groundbreaking new, other than the Eruption event? I mean yes, there is updated gear, world bosses and a new dungeon, but It still feels like they still lacked a lot of creativity. With the millions they have, they should be able to come up with some more exciting things than just repeating the same content over and over again? I’ve never done ST, since I didn’t want to just stick around for that raid in P3, but I heard that there is a boss that swaps every week for another? Wouldn’t it be fairly easy to have some more variety in the upcoming raids to have such a system? More bosses or mechanics inside to keep it kind of random and interesting? With certain exciting and unique loot? Or even some fun side activities or mini games? To bring people together and keep them entertained if they don’t feel like raiding or redoing the same dungeon 10 times a day? I don’t know, it still feels a bit bland and just a tedious sweat (rep) farm to get your set together, just to do it again when the next raid comes out.
just a few months ago ppl were wining about not enough get over it, there are what 6 max level dungeons and wrath is 13 lol the world tour is much less taxing and you dont need to do it for tier like wrath it is optional
ya fair, it's just the periods of inactivity followed by giant amounts of content. it's the modern mmo/service game business model. but could it be slightly outdated?
its more a point about the boom/drought cycles of modern mmo, we get either no content or insane amounts of it. never a middle ground where we get it all the time
It’s about the journey. We hear this all the time from players. Now there is a ton of content to journey through, so everyone should be happy. You don’t have to be all sweaty and do every grind every day/week. You don’t need to be in full BiS. You can experience the journey on many alts. Players should take their time and enjoy the game. If the content makes for a good journey, then enjoy it for what it is.
SOD was a nice try. Phase 4 is like a brez on main tank. Just going to check the gameplay if new raid coming and call it. Pvp going to get way worse. Huge amount of grief is coming. 😵💫😵💫
@@NOHITJEROME I am sure bilzz has prepared SOD players great designed content to work on in phase4. But I dont have to tell you that complains will always come along. After hype wave (if any), more complains follows, let alone a predictable worse-off pvp sitution.
Me and the new guild I joined to tank for ended up quitting for P3 because it got extended, we found it to be very boring but we are returning for P4. Even though previous phases were alt friendly, I still couldn't find myself to be bothered with doing any alts beyond leveling casually here and there. I'll be sticking with tanking on my paladin because that's what I enjoyed doing and wanted to experience in a lvl 60 classic WoW setting. For World buffs, I think they could add an NPC you talk to where they grant you the buff whenever you talk to them and then you can boon them with the chronoboon displacer once you have all your appropriate buffs. This would solve the world pvp buff griefing imo too. I don't know if I will pvp grind to be honest. I did try to bring myself to grind rank 7 in P3, but I really just didn't have the drive to do it and stopped at rank 5. I don't really care about pvp and rolled on a PVE server anyways specifically to avoid wpvp buff griefing since I am more of a PVE andy. Kudos to everyone who does the grind though. World touring doesn't necessarily bother me, most players nowadays play a lot better than how people played back in the day, I still get amazed by some of the new things people do and bring to the table for speed-running and pushing content along with the amount of theorycrafting and min-maxing that happens in the class discords at times. Fight club in particular during 2019 classic was probably some of my fondest memories in all of my time playing WoW. Best case scenario is that it's successful and stays well above water. (I honestly would love to experience 40 man Naxx in SOD since Naxx 40 is one of my favorite WoW raids of all time) Worse case scenario is SOD crashes and burns at phase 4, which if it does...there is other games to play in my free time anyways.
hi karimathras - glad you are returning for p4. it's definitely going to be a good time tanking on the paladin, you get to be one of the first ever to do it at 60. as for world buffs, i love the idea of an NPC selling world buffs. ie you kill 3 dungeon bosses you get 1 world buff token. as for the pvp grind, the question will be whether the gear is required for pve. i don't see them adding resil, so I'm curious what the stats will be like. i'm glad world tours don't bother you, frankly I look forward to doing all the dungeons with the boys. there aren't really other games to play other than elden ring for me. just going to have to lock myself in the basement for a while lol
I MUCH prefer this style of content. Having a lot of stuff to grind out on 1 character is much more akin to vanilla. I like having a main. Making alts, well, alts again and not completely finished characters is better imo. Also it is a nice safety net against FOTM rerolling. As someone who played alliance in SOD, the amount of shaman fotm re rolling that happened made me never want to queue up bgs, nearly every single one was MINIMUM 3 shaman, with the highest I saw being 8 of them in AB. Complete clown show.
yeah the big complaint in p1 was that it was all about unfinished alt characters and fotm rerolls. now you are getting the true 2004 style with 1 character focused on. nobody fotm rerolling at least once july 11 hits. right now EVERYONE is trying to figure out whats overpowered lol
Jerome i love your v ids! but here's my take on t he alts, vs raid l-ock out system, imo people who have multiple alts (including myself) have way to much time in the game, either that or there's not enough content on mains, I would much rather have 2 raids a week mc, aq, naxx etc so my main can do the content and steam roll it, and for the small few people who can do all of that and manage an alt, then that is good for them (myself is included in here). I'd much rather have too much on a main that have to cater to an alt
To be fair we dont know the level of entry for MC or the heat levels. As far as we know you can do MC as a fresh 60 and Heat 3 will be nothing but BiS needed. And if you have issues with how you might need to rep grind and do multiple world bosses a week to do higher heat levels then keep in mind then the content wasnt made for you. It would be like if a retail player who only does Raidfiner and Normal mode complained how they cant do Mythic raid on one or more characters without putting in the minimal time. And if your mindset is "I need to do every bit of content as fast and as much as I can" and call yourself a casual player, I'm sorry your not a casual player.
@@NOHITJEROME I see the change with the split lockout as critical , as one month in the phase everybody is through with the world bosses and then its again to one-time per week raidlogging for most players.
I had 600k honor at the end of the week.... I just Q ed av on day 1 hitting 60 and all Av s lasted 5 min and I won 99% of games as horde on lonewolf eu.... its not good, it feels sad....:(
Out of all the positives, you’ve made an entire video full of depression and highlighting the things you don’t like. Cmon man you can do better. You know you don’t have to live on wow. It’s a privilege. You make it a choir.
hi sumguy, i am really excited for p4. it's the business model of putting all the content out at once that i'm looking at in the video. all the things announced are looking fantastic
Did you get alts on vanilla ? Exalted on reps ect (Alteracect)? I didnt. Classic isn't retail and that makes it epic . But yeah its gonna be quite a lot
it's a true point. there is just not much time for alts in classic. but sod was all about playing a lot of alts and for the first time players have multiple characters at 50. so it's different somehow
i am really excited for p4 but the way they stack content is a biiiit outdated imo. we will have a long period of silence before p5 too. still they are doing a good job
@NOHITJEROME Its a good thing that the team already changed their minds over the backlash, lockouts will be the same. Only thing with twice-weekly lockouts will be the world bosses. Please pin so others can know.
The "completionist" mentality needs to go...anybody that isn't pushing for BIS and parsing and maxing literally everything is called a filthy casual...bro you can have alts and guess what, you can set your own goals in the game. Everyone needs to stop feeling like they have to be #1 at everything...because you aren't and never will be. Just relax and enjoy the game
yo i get that. it'd be nice to approach the game with a healthier mindset. but part of being really invested in these games means you end up with a personal stake in them. easy to get fomo
Rather play cata for easy pvp can be casual and then save energy for war within just hope the nerfing and buffing doesn’t happen as often as dragonflight , like twice a week sometimes just too much
ya cata is really nice right now raidlog/pvp when you want..very chill. WW will be good as well. nice thing is there is a lot to play if you are a wow fan. sod is just one of 3 choices
@@NOHITJEROME Not a chance. Blizz lost my faith and trust with not just the stupid Incursion system, but how awfully broken it was in the first 24 hours.
@@NOHITJEROMEi think blizz expect warlocks to just shadowbolt volley, even if we had seed, mobs die too fast in st, and we would lose dmg not having just casted shadowbolt volley, would be nice to have an aoe dot like spriest does for pvp, we can't crank out the same multidot pressure like they can...though next phase we can run soul link with nightfall so I'll try running shadowbolt volley for pvp and spamming corruption.
@@gallakailancer3692 that's a good point. i know shadowbolt volley is cool but seed felt like an obvious addition. it really explains the mindset going into MC though. these mobs are going to MELT
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It almost feel like Phase 4 has too much content, do you agree?
yes i feel overwhelmed already
Make rep bind on account... it's seasonal
phase will probably be 4 months long, so plenty of time to enjoy the content
Finally we have content so im happy
This is what happens when people complain there is not enough content
The reality is that most players will need to set personal boundaries for what they will and will not grind in p4 and on which characters. It isn’t easy for most WoW players to recognize that this is ok (myself included), but it’s been done many times in the past. Look at TBC back in the day, where most players needed to choose a main char to grind attunements on and accept that their alts would likely be used for farming profs, kara, and some lightweight pvp. Having lots of content options for players to choose from allows for players to choose what works best for them and keep the world feeling vast, however it will require players to make that decision rather than forcing Blizz to choose for them. That said, I hope basic mechanics for alts (like runes and some emerald faction items) are made easier to attain, due to the seasonal nature of the server.
tbc is a really good example. the attunements forced players to focus on one character. and yet the experience for most was very positive. i think you are onto something there. maybe pushing us to have mains for 3-4 weeks then add in some easier catchup with rep etc. or account wide attunes..emerald items etc like you say
They just announced MC will just be a 7 day lockout so
good change imo. still 7 raids a week is a lot
@@NOHITJEROME yea for sure I imagine kazzak and azuegos you won’t need but maybe 1 piece from if that
@chrisarnone8704
World bosses do also have a good drop rate for some top-tier recipes.
@@A_Goat oh that's hella nice! but still you only need 1 person with the pattern and in all actuality you donit need anyone with them as you can find the craft in trade chat
More content and the same content 5 times are not the same thing.
Yes, there is A LOT to do in P4. But having this much content will probably mean that you can go different directions for gearing. Some will go R10, some do the T0 questline, some will craft and some just farm gear in dungeons.
what do you think ppl will do first? i feel like it's the 0.5 questlines. which i've somehow never done. need to start prepping/researching since apparently they are expensive
@@NOHITJEROME yeah probably. The updated t0.5 looks good. But I wonder if its worth the hassle compared to random offpieces
there isn't it just recycled shit
@@Mengeneful omg they use classic content for a classic inspired seasonal server. How dare they
@@Mengeneful all wow is recycled at this point. retail does that, its hard to be original
I feel like if they did anything less, then people would have said "P4 dead on arrival I am raid logging week 2".
A lot of people wanted SOD to be their 'full time' game. This will be great. Excited to feel overwhelmed with choice.
yeah they had to overwhelm us with lots of new content. its like a husband bringing his wife flowers after working a lot lol
SOD will be dead by end of Aug
it's already dead 😂😂😂
@@justinmiil5389 For people like you, who play 8 hours a day?
if theres enough things to do so that all of your time is soaked up by a single toon, then thats a GOOD THING
ya it's the opposite of p1 where it was very alt friendly and some players complained you couldn't focus on 1 character. now it's very much that 2004 1 character design again
there is no enough things to so came shit cycled over and over
Players: We want more content!
Also players: There is too much content for alts!
i know it sounds ridiculous when you put it that way lol but the modern mmo business model has these drought periods where there's no content followed by a boom period where they get everyone back in. its not gonna change anytime soon but smoothing it out wouldnt be crazy
@@NOHITJEROME ye true mate! I was just trying be sarcastic. I think its possible to have a lot of content and be alt friendly. One thing retail does well with all the catchup mechanics.
I think with classic we need to be careful though with catchup mechanics, it takes away the feeling of the 'journey'. But some minor things would be fine imo, since sod is experimental and not classic classic.
One simple example is the rune where you have to kill all the Dark Riders around the world. I would not care if that rune is one you do once and unlock for all alts.
Don't worry he finds something to bitch about every video.
WOW players are simply IMPOSSIBLE to please so... 🤷♂️
Anyway... I'm sticking to Hardcore... Nice... Easy... And enjoyable!!! Even though the game is brutally unforgiving 😊 But at least you can level as many alts as you like, at a nice chillaxed pace 👍🏼
what content ? are dumb or shill 😂😂😂
Guys, the content is optional. Most of your pre BiS gear you can leverage with ST. The other items are such a minor upgrade it’s not even worth farming unless you are bored. It’s not as bad as you think
account wide reps should be standard for seasonal
i like it but its very retail. one idea also would be acc wide tarnished coins. so you get them on 1 char you can use them on another. means you can pick any character to play on anytime
Is it like that on retail?
@@NOHITJEROME very retail? Retail has never had account wide reps, that's apparently coming in the next expansion but it's taken 20 years lol. Account wide reps does nothing but let you play more alts should be ZERO push back against that.
make reps account wide (or have an automatic catch up mechanic that triggers for characters that have lower reputation than the highest rep held on your account) , make the tarnished coin account wide - that would make the phase more alt friendly to begin with. World bosses should be similar to WoD where they would respawn every 15 mins and had a universal tag + personal loot. Then we could focus on dungeons, pvp and raiding without feeling like our alts are being left behind.
acc wide reps feel very retail but the tarnished coins being account wide would be incredible. i love that idea because it lets you play any number of alts that fit best for the situation. id be swapping between 3-4 characters
im fine with the content overload. I like the idea of wiping out world buffs in any way they are zero fun to get
yeah i agree a new solution for WBs would be amazing. they are definitely fun to play with..but getting them is another story
I never understood why they made some runes such a pain in the rear to get (thanks, Greenfield). It's just even worse trying to get them all on alts. Thumbs up for great videos.
They need to make all reputations account-wide. Ffs.
i agree but its not really classic. i dont know the best solution
blizzard made it easy for me not to play.
was it the amount of content hvdiv? or the balancing
Wtf blizzard. Easiest addictive fix ..random drops with random stats and at least 7 sets. People woild be forced to play non stop like gambling. Diablo style loot. How hard is it to make a game fun?
that sounds like something they'll do at some point. it's such a no brainer but kills some of the wow classic nostalgia doesn't it?
That's good everyone having all nine classes it's kind of annoying
ya it doesnt feel like classic. but at the same time farming on a priest is miserable lol. very motivatd to have a hunter
They reverted the mc lockout to be just once a week now!
i saw that, it's a good change. was getting some gnomeregan on 3 characters flashbacks there lol
@@NOHITJEROME you and me both!
i'm motivated now to do an ele shaman on top of disc priest. 2 characters seems perfect. what will you be playing spider?
@@NOHITJEROME For me, I still cant decide between druid tank and shaman tank...
I think this viewpoint is incorrectly assuming what WoW is… If there is little content for one character then there is little content for alts (alt friendly) So if it takes one character a ton of time to achieve whatever it is you want to achieve, then it will also take an alt a ton of time as well…, imo that is why the game is being played, not so we can do the same minimal steps on multiple characters but so that each character has the chance to be enriched in whatever new paths are afforded to us by the devs.
this is a good point. we all want an mmo that gives us meaningful progression. thats why i liked runescape so much. it's not a bad thing wow is going that direction
You'll do all your lockouts get bis in 2 weeks then twiddle your fingers on what to do....Alts. Game dies in 3-4 weeks.
true. but then bwl hits and then aq and maybe a new raid they cook up
the change back to 1 week lockouts is good for sweaties but bad for everyone else.
its gonna be a good change i think. 8 raids a week was too much
I love thay theres all the new content i think jts a good thing, gives people lots of stuff to do ! That was the problem before nothing to do but incursions and ST
I don’t have a problem with the higher selection of raids to choose from personally. For people who lack self control, which, to be fair, is most wow players, (and let’s not ignore WHY they do. The subscription requirement pressures players to always be trying to get their money’s worth out of each single moment, and it’s a big reason I think it needs to go) I understand they’ll feel like they have to do all the raids each lockout, but I don’t think the game should be designed around that mindset.
What I do narrow my eyes at, though, is the faster lockout reset schedule.
I guess mop remix was testing this kind of change by having its raids be daily resets, but that didn’t feel overwhelming cuz the power scaling made heroic raids feel like a normal dungeon. A daily mop remix world tour didn’t take you much time.
But you take a faster lockout schedule with the much more normal scaling of sod where you’re actually DOING the raids? THAT sounds overwhelming
Make the World tour tokens account wide and rep aswell .. would be a huge improve
i like it. might be too retail. acc wide attunements at the very least
@@NOHITJEROME True. would be good agreement
I mean the bosses will be instances but I feel they along with Onyxia count as a “raid”. You can crank out ony in a few minutes and that’s even for casuals. I’m stoked to have one toon to just get everything done on
speak for yourself i remember 2019 ony with pugs taking like..4 hours lmao
I thought they said the dungeon tokens were gonna Drop once per day, not once per dungeon. Maybe i missed the logic here xD
You're not the only to be confused they initially badly worded it.
once per boss makes the most sense, unless it turns out these are chaos orbs
still enjoying the priest tank videos, i like the new threat item. getting some creative build ideas
Why dont they make a quest where you collect all the world buffs one time in a boon and bring it to Chromie or something. She then stores them and you can purchase them going forward with the currency from dungeon boss or the bew event. You can either run around and still collect them if thats your thing or purchase them. Maybe even a daily quest to go run a specific dungeon gets you a reward you turn into Chromie. Thoughts?
Make the turn in to chromie a weekly quest that resets each week. You have to collect the WBs only 1 time each week.
it's the best idea. i love the initial step of collecting them. and i love getting them from the vendor. and i like that you still would would get all the benefits/negatives of WBs. i think players would be happy
i like that a lot. preserves the concept without it having to be a chore to get wbs every 3 days
@@NOHITJEROME I've been trying to share this on the forums and Twitter and reddit but who knows what they'll do
@@Keykeykadee it's a really great idea. at the very least you promoting that idea opens the door to more creativity with WBs. every raid lockout, a new set of WBs is available from chromie. costs ie 5 tokens + 1 chronobooned buff of some type that rotates. so every week its a different buff you have to bring her
Just about to get my ALT ready to go for Raids/Arenas in CATA. Guess I’ll get back to getting my main ready for P4 in SOD. So much to do
what are you going to do first? i'm doing incursions (lol) and leveling an ele sham. gold is nice to have
once again Blizz developers trying to force players how to plat WOW
pushing us in a direction just makes sense from a business perspective. can focus the dev resources etc. i understand why it happens
Wish Lava Lash could transfer to Wild Growth or Crusader Strike
they really need to allow for transfers at this point lol. how is lava lash pop wise?
@@NOHITJEROMEhorrifyingly bad. There's not enough ally players to do dungeons.
How is Lava Lash pop these days? only have a 43 mage there.
July 11...nice...so basically 2 weeks till raid and OH WAIT...2 weeks till TWW PrePatch...RIP. Blizz is just plain dumb for having 2 of their products compete. Bad Bad Bad timing on this release. Sadface.
ya they do that on purpose so at least everyone is subbed i think lol. nice value for money at least
Alts are not meant to be played when new content is out.
A month or 2 into the phase it will be back to raid logging mainly until a new phase, you’ll have plenty of time for your alts then.
fair point. p1 had alts the 2nd week. this phase will have it within a month. i suppose that isn't a big difference
I'd think the worldbosses will be so easy you can just pug them and skip lockouts if the gear isn't worth it
yeah fair point. OR we get magtheridon level world bosses. feels like sod is going the way you said though with the difficulties outside the extra MC loot modes
I don't mind at all. I've never been keen on playing alts anyway. I always liked to invest all my time and efforts in a single character.
yeah im much more into 1 character runescape style. just interesting to see the shift after p1
Yeah it's too much... I won't be playing. It was much better when it was simple and alts were doable. This is ridiculous. People have jobs and lives outside of wow.
the problem is in p1 the complaint was the game was forcing alting because there wasn't enough to do on 1 character. now it's the opposite. middle ground is very difficult
@NOHITJEROME I agree. But I liked the simplicity of p1 2 and 3. It gave us time to play other games as well. Now it's too much and most of us just don't have time for it. 20 man's already hurt raiding in SOD. Add all this in.. and idk, seems like it's gonna make it crumble. Lots of complaints rolling in already.
Ridiculous indeed. I am courious who's SOD's target audience? I bet blizz have data show some info like '3 real play account can bring 20 bot accounts'.
the "All or Nothing Fallacy" Fallacy, People think theres an obvious "middle ground" but there isnt and theyre better off going balls deep one direction
bro kicking gnomes i subscribed instantly
ty the gnomes didnt like it but im glad you did
Not everyone plays for endgame.
true. but most do, don't they?
@@NOHITJEROME wow has always been carried by the casual majority. not sure about sod but its likely the same.
Not coming back to sod cata is way too fun but still gonna watch your sod videos🤗
yooo plantseeker im glad you are enjoying cata. outside raiding what have you been up to? i still need to get into rbgs
Great video. I would say over 7 raid lockouts your maybe spending 4-5 hours doing them per week. Even with the gearing up process your going to be raid logging on 1 character in about 6 weeks, where as if they had less lockouts and content it would have been 3 weeks. After about 6 weeks your going to have plenty of time to get those alts caught up and with no more leveling by P5 it will be more alt friendly.
hi kalive, definitely a good point that 4-5 hours doesn't make it seem so bad. that's pretty much how much i spend in cata right now. the difference is in cata you aren't really forced to rank, it's a safe bet a lot of gear will be locked behind AV and ranking as well. but i hope you are right on p5, a very alt friendly bwl / zg would be perfect
I dunno if I'm gonna do the rep farms on my main, let alone an alt, lol. At least there's a crap ton of content to do, no more raid logging for sunken temple. ^_^
no more raid logging is the best thing. ill probably focus on ranking over reps. you going to aim for r10 on any chars?
@@NOHITJEROME Oh lord no, I'm a casual player, haha. Only PvE content here ^_^
Get me in there coach! I know it's not perfect but I just want to get in there and see for myself at this point.
ptr is live id definitely recommend checking out the blackrock stuff if you get bored waiting for p4. pretty interesting dailies over there, and we saw kelris in one of the caves and he dust to dusted us lol
hope you feeling better now bozo! ❤
this p4 news cured all ailments i can sprint and jump like an 18 year old now
I swear no matter what blizzard does people complain. Also I already know people with 2 characters at 60 in no way will alts be dead and having lots of content in the endgame can only be good what else would you want from a subscription game?
Good thing I decided a long time ago that I will only play a single char in P4 😂
which char will that be? im maining priest here
@@NOHITJEROME going for my mage (heal) really enjoyed raiding with it, haven't missed a single ID since created, was originally planned as an alt
Easy fix. Make rep and coins BoA. Literally problem solved.
the coins being boa would be incredible. then you can pick which characater you fill dungeons with but still be working on alts
how is it 7 raids per week im confused
2x kazzak 2x ony 2x azuregos 1x mc. was 2x mc but people freaked out lol
@@NOHITJEROME oh thanks
The thing that I HATE with a passion is pointless rep grinding aka killing furbolgs for 24h + just to get a recipe, if they are bringing more of it, I'm out, I don't just want the rep to give better stuff, I want it not to be time consuming and boring like it usually is. It always feels like a horrible waste of time. One of the main reasons you make alts is for more professions, this need would be reduced if they gave you 3 (or more) profession slots instead of the regular 2.
The two lockout per week is what's killing alts more than anything for me. It's such s fucking bummer. Give us weekly lockouts for everything instead of this live on sod shit
they made MC 1 lockout a week now thank god xius
didnt they just recently say its not going to be 2 lockouts a week now?
everything is 2lockouts/week except mc now
I mean you don't HAVE to do every single piece of content every week. Why are people acting like they are forced to lol
the modern mmos feel like you have to do everything. maybe im just susceptible to fear of missing out
It is definitely going to be very very difficult not only levelling and grinding on my 6 alts, but definitely feel will only have main time for all the things for one maybe 2 alts to get to raid status with. Depending on the levelling grind and how long that takes. Will be able to get them all to 60, but doing the raid content, definitely less.
hi budgy, 6 alts is insane. i will do 2 characters at first. i think if you prequest now that's your best bet. can get all 6 to ~54 and then either blizz buffs leveling 2 weeks later or you just use rested experience on the rest
@@NOHITJEROME I may have an Alt problem haha That is a good plan :) maybe the searing gorge dailies will be a good amount of xp to smash out for alt levelling in the side :)
Just waiting for a classic fresh realm at this point
Phase 3 felt like it had nothing to do and now P4 will be way to much
yeah it's the boom/bust cycle of modern mmos. either nothing to do or way too much lol
Won't be playing P4
what's the biggest reason behind your decision zak? sorry to hear that
Ya you will you incel
Being able to purchase WBs is a good idea.
the fear of missing out is real
it drives us. im debating leveling an ele shaman and i had no desire to do that 2 weeks ago
It’s never been not real
Just don’t play lol
@@gregjross852 pretty much this
Got to get on that liquid diet and 4hours sleep schedule.
Just wait a bit till after launch till they nerf all the grinding. I learned my lesson already, the people that grind their ass off early will regret it later on (exception of P3 incursions), since they will make things easier to obtain. Think about the Waylaid rep, Ratchet vendor, XP boosts etc.
yeah within a month they will have some huge xp boost from 50-60 on top of the 50%. no question you are right about that lol
I think alot of people are not getting what people are complaining about with content. Its because its a seasonal league. So its timed. Its better to have quality over quantity. With blizzards rep quality isnt there best area
So much yes on the currency buying buffs. Would rather play the game than wait at a flower for 18 minutes...
20 man raids killed my guild :/
you would still be playing if 10mans? i felt that way at first, but lost my grp in gnomer
Is it just me or aren’t we really getting anything groundbreaking new, other than the Eruption event?
I mean yes, there is updated gear, world bosses and a new dungeon, but It still feels like they still lacked a lot of creativity. With the millions they have, they should be able to come up with some more exciting things than just repeating the same content over and over again? I’ve never done ST, since I didn’t want to just stick around for that raid in P3, but I heard that there is a boss that swaps every week for another? Wouldn’t it be fairly easy to have some more variety in the upcoming raids to have such a system? More bosses or mechanics inside to keep it kind of random and interesting? With certain exciting and unique loot?
Or even some fun side activities or mini games? To bring people together and keep them entertained if they don’t feel like raiding or redoing the same dungeon 10 times a day?
I don’t know, it still feels a bit bland and just a tedious sweat (rep) farm to get your set together, just to do it again when the next raid comes out.
I agree and what I told a lot of my guild was to just keep it to maybe 1 alt and your main
yeah 2 characters at 60 is perfect. for me 1 dps (for fun) and 1 heal (for helping the raid). disc priest + elesham. what about you?
@@NOHITJEROME my main is a rogue dps/tank depending on how rogue tank pans out and my alt is a shammy that’s a healer or tank
@@tw0spoonz rogue tank looks good, though all i can go off of is simonize tanking the blackrock eruption elites lol. basically mini-garrs
@@NOHITJEROME oh okay good to know they will be good with aoe
just a few months ago ppl were wining about not enough get over it, there are what 6 max level dungeons and wrath is 13 lol the world tour is much less taxing and you dont need to do it for tier like wrath it is optional
ya fair, it's just the periods of inactivity followed by giant amounts of content. it's the modern mmo/service game business model. but could it be slightly outdated?
Someone is complaining about having too many things to do ^^.
its more a point about the boom/drought cycles of modern mmo, we get either no content or insane amounts of it. never a middle ground where we get it all the time
It’s about the journey. We hear this all the time from players. Now there is a ton of content to journey through, so everyone should be happy. You don’t have to be all sweaty and do every grind every day/week. You don’t need to be in full BiS. You can experience the journey on many alts. Players should take their time and enjoy the game. If the content makes for a good journey, then enjoy it for what it is.
We need more content of you punting the gnomes
we are running low on gnomes they need to repopulate first
It is no longer on a twice a week lockout
they changed that ya but 7 raids a week still. will see if it's too much
P3 - Blizzard pls, there's not enough content.
P4 - BRA
SOD was a nice try. Phase 4 is like a brez on main tank. Just going to check the gameplay if new raid coming and call it.
Pvp going to get way worse. Huge amount of grief is coming. 😵💫😵💫
a brez on the main tank feels good but then the raid wipes anyways? lol
@@NOHITJEROME likley, but it could also means winning the fight. My point is on- going phases of SOD are going to be tough sells. Which is sad.
@@NOHITJEROME I am sure bilzz has prepared SOD players great designed content to work on in phase4. But I dont have to tell you that complains will always come along. After hype wave (if any), more complains follows, let alone a predictable worse-off pvp sitution.
@@NOHITJEROME But I like your work. Even SOD is a lost cost, yet you still put effort and creative ideas on this topic. 👍
Me and the new guild I joined to tank for ended up quitting for P3 because it got extended, we found it to be very boring but we are returning for P4. Even though previous phases were alt friendly, I still couldn't find myself to be bothered with doing any alts beyond leveling casually here and there. I'll be sticking with tanking on my paladin because that's what I enjoyed doing and wanted to experience in a lvl 60 classic WoW setting.
For World buffs, I think they could add an NPC you talk to where they grant you the buff whenever you talk to them and then you can boon them with the chronoboon displacer once you have all your appropriate buffs. This would solve the world pvp buff griefing imo too.
I don't know if I will pvp grind to be honest. I did try to bring myself to grind rank 7 in P3, but I really just didn't have the drive to do it and stopped at rank 5. I don't really care about pvp and rolled on a PVE server anyways specifically to avoid wpvp buff griefing since I am more of a PVE andy. Kudos to everyone who does the grind though.
World touring doesn't necessarily bother me, most players nowadays play a lot better than how people played back in the day, I still get amazed by some of the new things people do and bring to the table for speed-running and pushing content along with the amount of theorycrafting and min-maxing that happens in the class discords at times. Fight club in particular during 2019 classic was probably some of my fondest memories in all of my time playing WoW.
Best case scenario is that it's successful and stays well above water. (I honestly would love to experience 40 man Naxx in SOD since Naxx 40 is one of my favorite WoW raids of all time)
Worse case scenario is SOD crashes and burns at phase 4, which if it does...there is other games to play in my free time anyways.
hi karimathras - glad you are returning for p4. it's definitely going to be a good time tanking on the paladin, you get to be one of the first ever to do it at 60.
as for world buffs, i love the idea of an NPC selling world buffs. ie you kill 3 dungeon bosses you get 1 world buff token.
as for the pvp grind, the question will be whether the gear is required for pve. i don't see them adding resil, so I'm curious what the stats will be like.
i'm glad world tours don't bother you, frankly I look forward to doing all the dungeons with the boys. there aren't really other games to play other than elden ring for me. just going to have to lock myself in the basement for a while lol
@@NOHITJEROME DUNGEON GRINDING WITH THE BOYS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO! That alone just got me a lil hyped right there.
I MUCH prefer this style of content. Having a lot of stuff to grind out on 1 character is much more akin to vanilla. I like having a main. Making alts, well, alts again and not completely finished characters is better imo. Also it is a nice safety net against FOTM rerolling. As someone who played alliance in SOD, the amount of shaman fotm re rolling that happened made me never want to queue up bgs, nearly every single one was MINIMUM 3 shaman, with the highest I saw being 8 of them in AB. Complete clown show.
yeah the big complaint in p1 was that it was all about unfinished alt characters and fotm rerolls. now you are getting the true 2004 style with 1 character focused on. nobody fotm rerolling at least once july 11 hits. right now EVERYONE is trying to figure out whats overpowered lol
Ya I agree I get a bit overwhelmed when I have 5-6 char at level cap. Feeling pride in one main becomes difficult
Sounds like a serious dad gamer issue.
Do we know if theres gonna be darkmoon deck updated trinkets for phase 4?
we don't know yet. no datamining yet. but seems very likely there will be something expensive to buy
They will likely be updated
Jerome i love your v ids! but here's my take on t he alts, vs raid l-ock out system, imo people who have multiple alts (including myself) have way to much time in the game, either that or there's not enough content on mains, I would much rather have 2 raids a week mc, aq, naxx etc so my main can do the content and steam roll it, and for the small few people who can do all of that and manage an alt, then that is good for them (myself is included in here). I'd much rather have too much on a main that have to cater to an alt
To be fair we dont know the level of entry for MC or the heat levels. As far as we know you can do MC as a fresh 60 and Heat 3 will be nothing but BiS needed. And if you have issues with how you might need to rep grind and do multiple world bosses a week to do higher heat levels then keep in mind then the content wasnt made for you. It would be like if a retail player who only does Raidfiner and Normal mode complained how they cant do Mythic raid on one or more characters without putting in the minimal time.
And if your mindset is "I need to do every bit of content as fast and as much as I can" and call yourself a casual player, I'm sorry your not a casual player.
Ohhh nooo ..we have so much content ...we actually have something to do in the game, what a shame ..
well there's a risk we follow that up with 4 months of dead silence. i get it's the modern mmo business model, but it has risks
@@NOHITJEROME I see the change with the split lockout as critical , as one month in the phase everybody is through with the world bosses and then its again to one-time per week raidlogging for most players.
there isn't it just recycled shit
love the gnome kicking
thank you the gnomes don't like it at all though
Doing all 3 cata raids 11/13 h takes 2 sessions 1 2 hour and 1 1hour the next day
takes our guild like 8 hr and 8/13 atm aahh
@@NOHITJEROME time to replace some people in raid 😵
Done w SoD but can’t skip a Jerome video
yooo appreciate you spurmwhaleprototype. no chance of coming back for p4?
i said goodbye to alts a couple phases ago lol
ya classic endgame is not that alt friendly. come to think of it i didn't play alts in 2019. though most players do have multiple lvl 50s now
So phase 1? lol
Rank 10 was done by me in half a day, just like av rep. Half a day to both get max. gtfo man.
yo that's insanely good, how did you push that much honor? im getting maybe 50k a day right now
I had 600k honor at the end of the week.... I just Q ed av on day 1 hitting 60 and all Av s lasted 5 min and I won 99% of games as horde on lonewolf eu.... its not good, it feels sad....:(
Out of all the positives, you’ve made an entire video full of depression and highlighting the things you don’t like. Cmon man you can do better. You know you don’t have to live on wow. It’s a privilege. You make it a choir.
hi sumguy, i am really excited for p4. it's the business model of putting all the content out at once that i'm looking at in the video. all the things announced are looking fantastic
Did you get alts on vanilla ? Exalted on reps ect (Alteracect)? I didnt. Classic isn't retail and that makes it epic . But yeah its gonna be quite a lot
it's a true point. there is just not much time for alts in classic. but sod was all about playing a lot of alts and for the first time players have multiple characters at 50. so it's different somehow
@@NOHITJEROME agreed ! thx for your vids btw :) !
@@HL-pu7hh thanks a lot H L, hope you are having a great weekend
Wish living flame could transfer to crusader strike. The struggle is real
are there no transfers at all available yet?
Is the server dead now?
@@ralos329 living flame not really tho feels less
Crusader strike on horde has a bunch
Im class that MC is weekly... Im on vacation from 20.7 to 7.8 :D
Too much too soon, indeed. They could of had us been 60 doing things before raids already instead of dead p3
i am really excited for p4 but the way they stack content is a biiiit outdated imo. we will have a long period of silence before p5 too. still they are doing a good job
@NOHITJEROME Its a good thing that the team already changed their minds over the backlash, lockouts will be the same. Only thing with twice-weekly lockouts will be the world bosses. Please pin so others can know.
hi nokkturno, i see the change, i edited as many lines in the video to reflect it. still 7 lockouts a week is a //lot//. but that might only be 4-5hrs
SoD ON
you skipping it david?
@@NOHITJEROME NOOO! P4 hype.
yup dont do incursaons no rep grind.....
no incursions now they got removed and changed to dailies in p4
The "completionist" mentality needs to go...anybody that isn't pushing for BIS and parsing and maxing literally everything is called a filthy casual...bro you can have alts and guess what, you can set your own goals in the game. Everyone needs to stop feeling like they have to be #1 at everything...because you aren't and never will be. Just relax and enjoy the game
yo i get that. it'd be nice to approach the game with a healthier mindset. but part of being really invested in these games means you end up with a personal stake in them. easy to get fomo
Yeppp I am glad I went with 2 mains for P3. Now 2 again only for P4 for alt runs with the guild!
2 is the play. but you have to pick the 2. i'm likely doing disc priest + rdruid but dps is always more fun so idk
@@NOHITJEROME I’m doing disc + hpal/ret. Super excited for priest
that's perfect, i think you should play it as ret and not hpal. give yourself a dps to blast with after you carry the raid on disc
I wish I had time for 14 raids every week :)
@@SQuirellsOnNIkieZ eh I’m definitely not doing all lockouts on my second char! That just sounds like hell
Phase 4 hypEEEEEEE!!!!!11one
very excited nordicplantlover. is your avatar swifty lol
Rather play cata for easy pvp can be casual and then save energy for war within just hope the nerfing and buffing doesn’t happen as often as dragonflight , like twice a week sometimes just too much
ya cata is really nice right now raidlog/pvp when you want..very chill. WW will be good as well. nice thing is there is a lot to play if you are a wow fan. sod is just one of 3 choices
Just want to PvP without the grind.
hmm..av spam all day and night?
SoD Phase 4 HYYYPE!!!
yoooo jameson, are you gonna be playing? im excited
@@NOHITJEROME Heck yeah, however, I'm stuck on which class I want to play. I will be rerolling!
This may be true, but I want enjoy it while it is here! =P
People will still be bored of it in a month.
i dont want a dungeon boss token system at all.
it's very wotlk / cata esque. seemed to be positively received in those expansions. but it means you have to do a LOT more grinding per character
I am glad I left three days after Phase 3 began.
hi nathan, no plans to return? the news so far does look good
@@NOHITJEROME Not a chance. Blizz lost my faith and trust with not just the stupid Incursion system, but how awfully broken it was in the first 24 hours.
@@nathan43082 doomer
@@106adamm False. I am sure it will do fine. I am not playing it, tho.
just get rid of world buffs why farm for pre raid gear when level 50 epics are as good as level 60 rare dungeon items
Good that I leveled geared and proffed up 5 alts. Now it´s all for nothing. THis is horrible News and is tilting me very hard to be honest.
liked and commented just because of the gnome kicking. 9/10. not enough gnomes
How u doin Jerome ! What main an alt are you going run in p4
yooo matt disc priest + ele sham seems like the play. i always wanted an elesham. just need to level it now. what about you?
@@NOHITJEROME warlock main haven’t decided on a alt yet though.. wished I was horde to play sham though would deff alt one
weirdly warlocks never did get seed did they? 100% assumed they would get it at 60
@@NOHITJEROMEi think blizz expect warlocks to just shadowbolt volley, even if we had seed, mobs die too fast in st, and we would lose dmg not having just casted shadowbolt volley, would be nice to have an aoe dot like spriest does for pvp, we can't crank out the same multidot pressure like they can...though next phase we can run soul link with nightfall so I'll try running shadowbolt volley for pvp and spamming corruption.
@@gallakailancer3692 that's a good point. i know shadowbolt volley is cool but seed felt like an obvious addition. it really explains the mindset going into MC though. these mobs are going to MELT