Hey First of nice Video ^^ atmora Level Design lead here. You have some nice points. At the end of the day we are volunters we are people with privat lives, contected in a amasing hobby. I can only say that progress is always going on but sometimes we have bottle necks like a dungeon Set which needs 3d work. Wenn stuff like this happens we need to wait until somebody whit the skills needed Shows up. ^^ But anyway i can say that in the last 3 years in which i am a Part of the Bs teams i saw some amasing progress and i can say that some work is going in the Direktion of a Release... but it needs time. In some weeks many people have time and a lot of progress happens in a short amount of time and then there are weeks were most people are occupied with theire own lives.
@@eldermasksama6055 that's it. People can't always work on these. Or life comes in and turkey slaps and they need to step away from The project. It's easy to judge from the outside.
@@SenturosGaviannusI for example was part of the QA testers for Cyrodiil a few years ago. I saw the whole of Cyrodiil and I did test quests all across. Life struck me and I haven't been able to come back sadly, but I can confirm that the work of the teams is awesome and if people want the provinces to come out, they should be thinking about truly contributing to the projects. But contributing isn't just a walk in the park, to hold up the quality that the projects have, you have to follow the rules and procedures so that every cogwheel works with another and nothing gets stuck
The gall, the brass balls, the fact they are all volunteers who do not get paid, and yet definitely continue to work on a project a decade old... I Salute you! Godspeed Beyond Skyrim Team! And thank you for Bruma! 🙏
That’s the point. They want you to move on from Skyrim and buy their crappy new releases that are filled with equally crappy CC nonsense that nobody wants to get you to shell out even more money and at the same time re-releasing Skyrim every 5 years to start the cycle all over again.
@@user-pm2ip1oy2y Unless it be one last time to do what you should've done in 2016 which is FUCKING ADD FALLOUT 4'S INNOVATIONS TO SKYRIM GODFUCK IT!!!!!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Dev here, I've been working on Cyr for 10 years come last month, and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think we had a chance of making something truly amazing and actually releasing it. I appreciate your vid, and we'll keep fighting to get it done as fast as possible without losing the quality we had in Bruma! ps. We don't actually have 15 settlements per county, though. We still have only a reasonable number more like 5
My Skyrim modding dream: BS Cyrodil BS Atmora, BS Roscrea, BS New North, Fat Skyrim, Aptheosis, Skyrim extended cut and LOTD+OOTD. Knowing that OOTD won't go to Cyrodil, I believe these should be fairly possible. If I'm able to play this run in 2030, I'll be happy. At this point, this is basically Skyrim 2.
@@CommunistHydra BS New north is on the verge of coming out, Cyrodil Atmora and Rocsrea are pretty advance, Apotheosis intends on releasing 2025 and OOTD is well underway. I think 2030 is realistic.
Another interesting thing I've notice is that once BS Cyrodil is released, the prerelease to BS Elswey and BS Valenwood is going to be accessible by land from Cyrodil. The integration is going to be far better.
@@NOVAsteamed yea. By then cyrodill will need to be done. That's why we get a pre release for Morrowind and Cyrodill and highrock from Skyrim. But vallenwood and elsywer are ages off.
As a 2 people team trying to recreate a real life place whilst filtering some brands, changing most art with interiors and more, we have worked over 2 years on this and we are under 25% of the way I can understand the reason, these people are building 2x skyrim into the game itself, just like we are trying to build a real life area... but i also understand the people too, i can understand the wait i keep seeing to explore the streets and hear all the sounds of a complete ambience... The people must all be very excited to explore and sometimes that hype we feel can get us angry sometimes, but see this as a crop field, it takes time to grow and perfect into high quality food, we can be quick by making the food less tasty or even worse, but we want to enjoy the harvest, therefore we put extra work! Again, i understand the hype even i am hyped about the BS upcoming releases, same as i am with my project, but we just need to wait, which the modern world and its way of doing things does not help and cause us to be angry as we wait, dont worry guys, sometines the wait just makes momemtum for a real long-lasting great time! Thanks for reading and sorry for this long message, just wanted to let people understand the weird situation where developers try so hard to do great and the people who really like the idea sometimes feel bored on the wait, both sides have good intentions though... Have a great day guys and hope the best for everyobe abd the BS team (idm this comment being spreaded if it helps with anyone as i think it is important for people to understand both sides)
I totally get it, but it’s been almost a decade at this point. I get that it’s a huge undertaking, but this has been coming out for years now. I’m not complaining here, but I’m just saying that I understand both sides and lean a bit towards the people who just want it to come out.
LOL ME TOO, ey lets see i heard a lot for 2025, assuming that skyblivion comes out as BS releases cyrodil im not sure, but seeing with the charts i do see a release likely in 1-3 years assuming they maintain workflow
11:05 I liked Oblivion more than Morrowind, and I liked Skyrim more than Oblivion. But after seeing Skyrim get microtransactions (such as a dwarven blunderbuss for $30...), and after playing the very awful Starfield, I am unsure of what to expect with TES VI. The gaming industry as a whole is leaving a lot of people sour because it's been colonized by suits after they realized how much nerds are willing to pay for garbage.
The truth is, Beyond Skyrim is biting more than they can chew. I admire the passion behind the project, but a handful of modders working voluntarily on the entire Tamriel map, and at a scale bigger than what Bethesda's tackling, is just too much. They should downsize their ambitions or else they'll never have the motivation to get to the finish line. The map doesn't have to be 1:1 scale, even Bethesda isn't crazy enough to attempt that.
@@fikrijuanda6321 I think... They should just do what they want... As the modders making those older tes titles like skyblivion and skywind are doing....
For a mega project like Beyond Skyrim to be made, you do have to understand that it will absolutely take a long time to make. Each team working on each province of Tamriel (including Roscrea and Atmora) are working as hard as they can, and you do have to understand that these individuals behind each project are people too. Each person will experience burn out eventually, personal lives, too. Like the phrase that Rome was not built within a day, you should not expect these mods to come out when the fan base want's them to come out. Each region of each project being released one by one instead of a pre-release then whole project would be unrealistic for what the project is doing, since they would have a whole workload that seems unreasonable for this scale. What BSK is doing for each county in Cyrodiil, as you mention, yes, it's rather ridiculous, but you do have to understand that it is so the province does not feel empty or lifeless, at least what it seems in my eyes. Yes, it is in their free time to work on these projects, and they are willing to do it. If they dislike doing it, they have the option of opting out of continuing their role, otherwise they stand passionate and willingly working on said project they're apart of. You're correct on the fact that a project like Valenwood is far from release, only because a project like Valenwood is newer to the Beyond Skyrim branch and did not have much work done when it first became apart of it, on the other hand, a province like Cyrodiil might have only another 1.5 years or even 2 at most before it's release. Seeing all of their work done through their yearly Creation Mod Con that they put together shows even greater than each pre-release that they're managing to do these projects, and even in their Discord server, they're even communicating with people who are willing to either join or even just give support socially. At the end of the day, you have to understand that these people are willingly working on something they love doing, no need to bash them because they are working perhaps their hardest for what they want.
So how many people are going to die waiting for this? One of the saddest Skyrim stories is Eric The Slayer. A sad story of a young fan waiting for Skyrim. He lives on in the game but it’s still very sad.
@@nikobellic9140 and as I told him... The BS teams can't control life or death. It's called honestly... Welcome to the channel! I'm as blunt as they get.
You make a lot of valid points. But some of it is stuff we've heard a million times...over half a decade ago. I think people are well within their rights to want to see more tangible progress. The video you linked showing off Cyrodiil's completion is definitely a good example of this. Another thing I'd mention is that the statement about how much of a headache it would be to retroactively link quests together: Sure that works for the case of Cyrodiil. But that doesn't exactly apply to cases like Atmora or Roscrea which one would reasonably think would be isolated from the mainland Tamriel. And if anything it's disheartening that with those two examples, they've apparently gone through so many revisions and complete re-does of the ideas behind the place. I'm fairly certain Atmora started off as an unrelated mod with a fairly rudimentary landmass demo which then got brought into the fold of BS...and somehow that has stalled or even reversed its progress when every logical assumption would have you think the opposite should have happened in all the years since. The obsession with revision and perfection before release is all the more frustrating as we're seeing it be far more mainstream in the AAA games industry for fully priced new games to rely on patching in updates later. Some games are outright broken lol.
I want to do a vidoe on those 2 BS Islan mods. Becase there is a point to being upset with projects like theres. And This was more of a backing BS, the other one will be kind of on the upset fans side of things.
I'm not on Atmora so I can't speak for it or why they did what they did, but Roscrea hasn't changed its vision. What you are thinking of is the landmass fix they had to do a year ago and that was mechanically necessary. The legends busted it out in a year about and are now very close to release - so don't get discouraged for that one. Check out the recent CMC to see what I mean!
I’m not complaining. Projects like this take a long time to make but I think it would be awesome to see. If people have a problem with it, nothing is stopping them from trying themselves
What I find sad is that BS bruma released 7 years ago and was only meant to be a pre release "taste test" of what we could expect, and we haven't had any other release since then. Half a year before Bruma released the team posted a video where they said every content there was completed, and they only had QC left. It took them 6 months to quality check tiny Bruma when ALL the content was completed. 6 months. And we haven't had any releases since then. How in the world are we supposed to get Cyrodiil? let alone all the other places. There are still a couple pre releases that are supposed to come, but they haven't even been announced. If they release next year (unlikely as hell) and we follow the same timeframe of bruma then we won't get the full release of the nation minimum 7+ years after (and still going). Do you honestly believe people will continue working on this mod in the late 2030s? I don't. The sad truth is that this team bit of way more than they can chew. And the god's honest truth is that it will most likely never be released. I don't even have faith BS cyrodiil (or any other full nation) will be released.
Well. They have bitten off more then they should have. But Skyrim has lasted 13 years. And i believe its still going to be charging strong into Tes 6. All they really need is to get cyrodiil out the door and shit will move fast. That could be like atleast 2 more years off I'd say since they're working on IC assets and storylines. Still much to be done though.
I just hope that Legacy of the Dragonborn and the Beyond Skyrim mods will have a patch . I am playing with Legacy and Bruma in the L.O. and the Auryen send me to Cyrodil to find him a dagger . Playing with this 2 mods together is so good . I also start at Bruma as a bard with the become a bard mod . Can´t wait to play the full mod but i will . Take your time guys and thanks so much for the hard work .
We are trying our damnedest to get it done, and we are still moving at the same fast paced on Cyr and the pre-releases, but it's just hard with a volunteer team. I pretty much work BS as a second full time job and it's just never enough time. It will pay off, just need to wait unfortunately
I've never had a problem with the wait. It's a group of massive projects. Effectively seven or eight different entire Skyrim sized games or bigger for the most part. Building up from the ground with sometimes very little lore to work from in the case of Roscrea and only a few words about Atmora. And all that done by people volunteering their personal time. If we get to see even a couple of the projects to completion it's a massive success. I so wanted Bethesda to do something with Atmora and the Sea of Ghosts during their Skyrim development period. They'd built up such a mystery to what happened there as well as the Sea itself and then did nothing with any of it.
I saw somewhere else there are some interactions with Skyrim qeusts, for example, the "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood"/Dark Brotherhood Questline connects with one of the big Cyrodil quests. Basically, you can lock out the two Skyrim Dark Brotherhood branches in a Cyrodil quest (but you do get warned).
@@SenturosGaviannus im trying to multiply my playtime not play a new game. so I'm doing everything and when i get tired i'll do what I usually do and murder the whole world. but I want a solid playthrough first. I know I won't get tired.
As much as I love this project and the hours volunteers have put in it, they have failed the PR massively. They've hyped people up with something that might never see the light of day, and has grave uncertainties. It would've been better if they kept their progress on a low profile, to not build any false expectations. Fallout London did this very good
It's some backward thinking, to be honest. First of all, it's going nowhere if they never show it. They won't pull in people who have the skills and interest in making this come out. And it might not, but it might. And the more they come and add in, the closer it comes to being completed. It's not a guarantee, it's never been. It's a dream. It's a dream they're working on for it to become real. Fallout is like 1/10 the size of anything that The Elder Scrolls has to do in scale. There's so much more going into TES games than Fallout games. If you look at all the crazy shit they have done with Cyrodiil you will see theres no lack of movment, they are very far ahead. And moving at a good pase. for a free mod, that outdoes Bethisda on every level. And since its free the people making this have to live their lives and work. So it will take 3x aslong to make then a paid game by Bethisda. Just my 20c
Will someone even care about TES 6 ? If you can start your Skyrim and go everywhere will you even care about TES 6 ? There mission will probable be better from what Todd is doing . The work have more passion . And we can mod skyrim to make her look like she was make with Unreal Engine 5 at this point . We all see how Starfield look and play .
That's what I've been saying to people. My current Skyrim game with Bruma, and hopefully in the future all of the beyond Skyrim projects will be far more fun and immersive than any official ES Game could be.
I can respect the delays. I think they want to put out a superior product, not one like most game companies throw out there that needs patching on the day of release. I hope I'm right in the fact that they strike me as having the opinion and attitude of "if you're going to do it, do it right the first time".
I think they run into the same problem of any game that takes too long, especially any beth game....modding modernizes the current releases in the eyes of the player. Beyond skyrim content looks outdated because it is being built in the style of a 5 or 6 year old skyrim...so as they finish this massive project they have to continually be updating assets, lighting, weather, textures, character models to meet a standard that is constantly improving due to skyrim. Even if they release the game will probably be insufficient graphically and will be needing modders to update it to be as populat as it should be.
Ive thought about lending a hand in npc templates for them to use so they can add npcs's rapidly, but i assume they already have a modders resource for it.
@@PrestonGarvey69 probs do. I mean atleast in cyrodill. Can always ask. There's newer projects that don't even have NPC built yet like vallenwood or maybe even elsywer
We can always use more people who know how to work with NPCs! Even if just a small contribution, join the AU or apply for a team! It's a fun time anyway
just a guess but,. they still looking for volunteers to do quests, levels, voice, navmesh, etc etc etc . They start these things without the people required to do it and then hope to get all these professionals (because the people putting mods onto the nexus aren't good enough for them) to do the things for free. I'm guessing that most of the people who they had at the start have left for paid work or careers or whatnot. The Cynic in me says they milk it for their own ends, for their own skill demonstrations or god forbid youtube views and are therefore actually not really in much of a hurry for that to end. Hey but I'm just a skeptic who didn't take the covid vax so what do I know. Most MODS because that's what they are get released way before being finished and then get added to over time AND other modders release stuff for them like patches fixes voiceing like Vigilant and Glenmoril. Look at Beyond Reach that is a great mod and grew into that by being released and added to by independent modders. That's the thing they want ownership, the final say in everything about the mod, when the whole reason for Skyrim's success is because it is so customizable with mods.
I have to agree, no one expects beyond skyrim to be perfect, and people should expect it to still be developed after release because mods are. I dont understand why they don't release portion by portion, it would take the same amount of time to integrate the portions together, and they would gain even more support to motivate them, and motivation is key to unpaid modders. I can imagine BS cyrodiil releasing, but the other projects may not
@@joshsmith6995 probs has Less people... And it's like nowhere near as known as Skyrim. So it would be hard finding people interested in modding it. Unless they are people that played that game
In some streams, they have stated they don't use ESO lore unless it's fairly compatible and not nonsensical, for example, there will be no dragons in Beyond Skyrim Elsweyr from The Halls of The Colossus, and of course, no Ithelia etc. You don't have to worry, all good, they said also they don't have to adhere to ESO, because they were writing for Beyond Skyrim before ESO was released.
@barbaarcapibara6287 well it's good to ignore it hilarious because she very well will be imprisoned and forgotten again. And I don't mind the dragons, likenthey would have fled skyrim when aluminium was defeated. And went south... they have wings so they don't have to follow boarders. Anyway someone would add their own eso mods to such a project when it releases
Really bad take. If anything, I'd play this rather than ES6. This mod will include all of tamriel and be the perfect, complete elder scrolls game. ES6 will never match that scope.
I’m afraid that The Elder Scrolls 6 will be released before Beyond Skyrim is released. I must say though that of all the games I have I mostly play Skyrim SE/AE. I always have Bruma in my play through and I’m looking forward to The rest to be released.
Even if ES6 releases, there's so many conditions that have to be met for it to be competition for beyond Skyrim. It has to be good on release for a start which Bethesda have been pretty incapable of since Skyrim. It's also not going to be anywhere near the scope. Unless Bethesda release a game that covers the entirety of nirn, beyond Skyrim will always have its niche and purpose.
I'm happy with them taking their time cause what their teams have shown so far is so beautiful and detailed. Honestly, I think their stuff has such polish and lore awareness that at this point I think it would make sense to make a Beyond Skyrim: Skyrim! 😆
people dont like DEI/Blackrock and woke forced politics into games, thats why there is complaining, bethesda deserves to be bashed. this "modern audiance" trash is destroying media and fans
AI voice acting tends to be trashy and robotic. AI also can't produce original art and doesn't have a good understanding of objects or design so it can't do much for concept art.
its a bit mindboggling in their showcase videos.. they never use any of the lore friendly mods like Bosmer have antlers or the breton have elf ears... like why? i get it to keep it skyrim vanilla style.. but still ESO did it
@@samuelsun3560 vallenwood has only just started.... There's not much to show. There doing the fur stocks for the khajiit so they probs adding antlers.
Yes they are.... and they're really bloody close.. they just put out a community post on youtube looking for VA for the new north. And that means, they are really close to release, Within the end of the year or start of next maybe. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxCljWlZLIbWZSGndSurOjnokQPwdaTJ7T We'll hear more next month with Modcon!
bro were you tired in this vid😂? anyway, i wont lie i have kinda given up hope for the beyond series. I loved bruma but i just dont see where they release it before tes6. You are right that they are creating incredible quality during their free time but at a certain point, too much time has passed.
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Hey First of nice Video ^^ atmora Level Design lead here. You have some nice points. At the end of the day we are volunters we are people with privat lives, contected in a amasing hobby. I can only say that progress is always going on but sometimes we have bottle necks like a dungeon Set which needs 3d work. Wenn stuff like this happens we need to wait until somebody whit the skills needed Shows up. ^^ But anyway i can say that in the last 3 years in which i am a Part of the Bs teams i saw some amasing progress and i can say that some work is going in the Direktion of a Release... but it needs time. In some weeks many people have time and a lot of progress happens in a short amount of time and then there are weeks were most people are occupied with theire own lives.
@@eldermasksama6055 that's it. People can't always work on these. Or life comes in and turkey slaps and they need to step away from The project. It's easy to judge from the outside.
@@SenturosGaviannusI for example was part of the QA testers for Cyrodiil a few years ago. I saw the whole of Cyrodiil and I did test quests all across. Life struck me and I haven't been able to come back sadly, but I can confirm that the work of the teams is awesome and if people want the provinces to come out, they should be thinking about truly contributing to the projects. But contributing isn't just a walk in the park, to hold up the quality that the projects have, you have to follow the rules and procedures so that every cogwheel works with another and nothing gets stuck
@@DrJamesOnjen Got the good ol fashion turkey slapped!
@@SenturosGaviannusYoud think they'd at least be done with the rest of cyrodil by now.
@@iso-didact789 I don't think you understand how big that task is... It's like making Skyrim x5
The gall, the brass balls, the fact they are all volunteers who do not get paid, and yet definitely continue to work on a project a decade old... I Salute you! Godspeed Beyond Skyrim Team! And thank you for Bruma! 🙏
I just hope that after this mod finished, Bethesda fkn stop updating Skyrim and destroy my load order.
Yeah were sick of their bs
That’s the point. They want you to move on from Skyrim and buy their crappy new releases that are filled with equally crappy CC nonsense that nobody wants to get you to shell out even more money and at the same time re-releasing Skyrim every 5 years to start the cycle all over again.
I always just downgrade to 1.5.9.7 that's where my load order is based on. I don't care about fishing lol
@@user-pm2ip1oy2y Unless it be one last time to do what you should've done in 2016 which is FUCKING ADD FALLOUT 4'S INNOVATIONS TO SKYRIM GODFUCK IT!!!!!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Meanwhile they don't touch skyrim vr lmao
Dev here, I've been working on Cyr for 10 years come last month, and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think we had a chance of making something truly amazing and actually releasing it. I appreciate your vid, and we'll keep fighting to get it done as fast as possible without losing the quality we had in Bruma!
ps. We don't actually have 15 settlements per county, though. We still have only a reasonable number more like 5
My Skyrim modding dream: BS Cyrodil BS Atmora, BS Roscrea, BS New North, Fat Skyrim, Aptheosis, Skyrim extended cut and LOTD+OOTD. Knowing that OOTD won't go to Cyrodil, I believe these should be fairly possible. If I'm able to play this run in 2030, I'll be happy. At this point, this is basically Skyrim 2.
@@NOVAsteamed I'm looking forward to Skyrim souls next year... I'm not I to that sort of gaming... But I do like my Daedric realms!
2030 sounds optimistic
@@CommunistHydra I think there's atleast 2 more years for cyrodill or 3... The others... They're 30s for sure 😅
@@CommunistHydra BS New north is on the verge of coming out, Cyrodil Atmora and Rocsrea are pretty advance, Apotheosis intends on releasing 2025 and OOTD is well underway. I think 2030 is realistic.
I would imagine there will be a modder who makes an AI procedurally generate a tamriel by 2030 using skyrim assets uploaded to an engine.
Another interesting thing I've notice is that once BS Cyrodil is released, the prerelease to BS Elswey and BS Valenwood is going to be accessible by land from Cyrodil. The integration is going to be far better.
@@NOVAsteamed yea. By then cyrodill will need to be done. That's why we get a pre release for Morrowind and Cyrodill and highrock from Skyrim. But vallenwood and elsywer are ages off.
@@SenturosGaviannus That's a great planification.
As a 2 people team trying to recreate a real life place whilst filtering some brands, changing most art with interiors and more, we have worked over 2 years on this and we are under 25% of the way
I can understand the reason, these people are building 2x skyrim into the game itself, just like we are trying to build a real life area... but i also understand the people too, i can understand the wait i keep seeing to explore the streets and hear all the sounds of a complete ambience...
The people must all be very excited to explore and sometimes that hype we feel can get us angry sometimes, but see this as a crop field, it takes time to grow and perfect into high quality food, we can be quick by making the food less tasty or even worse, but we want to enjoy the harvest, therefore we put extra work!
Again, i understand the hype even i am hyped about the BS upcoming releases, same as i am with my project, but we just need to wait, which the modern world and its way of doing things does not help and cause us to be angry as we wait, dont worry guys, sometines the wait just makes momemtum for a real long-lasting great time!
Thanks for reading and sorry for this long message, just wanted to let people understand the weird situation where developers try so hard to do great and the people who really like the idea sometimes feel bored on the wait, both sides have good intentions though... Have a great day guys and hope the best for everyobe abd the BS team (idm this comment being spreaded if it helps with anyone as i think it is important for people to understand both sides)
I totally get it, but it’s been almost a decade at this point. I get that it’s a huge undertaking, but this has been coming out for years now. I’m not complaining here, but I’m just saying that I understand both sides and lean a bit towards the people who just want it to come out.
LOL ME TOO, ey lets see i heard a lot for 2025, assuming that skyblivion comes out as BS releases cyrodil im not sure, but seeing with the charts i do see a release likely in 1-3 years assuming they maintain workflow
That old grandma who plays skyrim will hopefully live long enough to play the mod when its finally done.
I think she has a better chance of playing tes 6. and thats more to her taste i think xD.
I really hope so, that would make all of our days - nay, our lives xD
11:05 I liked Oblivion more than Morrowind, and I liked Skyrim more than Oblivion. But after seeing Skyrim get microtransactions (such as a dwarven blunderbuss for $30...), and after playing the very awful Starfield, I am unsure of what to expect with TES VI. The gaming industry as a whole is leaving a lot of people sour because it's been colonized by suits after they realized how much nerds are willing to pay for garbage.
You can never dodge the suits. Games earn more money then music and movies combined
The truth is, Beyond Skyrim is biting more than they can chew. I admire the passion behind the project, but a handful of modders working voluntarily on the entire Tamriel map, and at a scale bigger than what Bethesda's tackling, is just too much. They should downsize their ambitions or else they'll never have the motivation to get to the finish line. The map doesn't have to be 1:1 scale, even Bethesda isn't crazy enough to attempt that.
That what makes it so fun. Imagine this coming out... the shame and standard it puts paid games into.
They should just focused remaking older elder scrolls instead bringing every maps. Like GTA mod is not that crazy building entire US
@@fikrijuanda6321 I think... They should just do what they want... As the modders making those older tes titles like skyblivion and skywind are doing....
They should just do one region at a time to completion 😅
@@silverhand8744they have different teams, afaik, the people working in Cyrodiil isn't the same people who is working in morrowind
For a mega project like Beyond Skyrim to be made, you do have to understand that it will absolutely take a long time to make. Each team working on each province of Tamriel (including Roscrea and Atmora) are working as hard as they can, and you do have to understand that these individuals behind each project are people too. Each person will experience burn out eventually, personal lives, too. Like the phrase that Rome was not built within a day, you should not expect these mods to come out when the fan base want's them to come out. Each region of each project being released one by one instead of a pre-release then whole project would be unrealistic for what the project is doing, since they would have a whole workload that seems unreasonable for this scale. What BSK is doing for each county in Cyrodiil, as you mention, yes, it's rather ridiculous, but you do have to understand that it is so the province does not feel empty or lifeless, at least what it seems in my eyes. Yes, it is in their free time to work on these projects, and they are willing to do it. If they dislike doing it, they have the option of opting out of continuing their role, otherwise they stand passionate and willingly working on said project they're apart of. You're correct on the fact that a project like Valenwood is far from release, only because a project like Valenwood is newer to the Beyond Skyrim branch and did not have much work done when it first became apart of it, on the other hand, a province like Cyrodiil might have only another 1.5 years or even 2 at most before it's release. Seeing all of their work done through their yearly Creation Mod Con that they put together shows even greater than each pre-release that they're managing to do these projects, and even in their Discord server, they're even communicating with people who are willing to either join or even just give support socially. At the end of the day, you have to understand that these people are willingly working on something they love doing, no need to bash them because they are working perhaps their hardest for what they want.
People will come and go. and some will return. It will take time to make. But when we have it, All we have is time xD
It can be done, but it is absolutely a lifetime commitment.
So how many people are going to die waiting for this? One of the saddest Skyrim stories is Eric The Slayer. A sad story of a young fan waiting for Skyrim. He lives on in the game but it’s still very sad.
@@jamesquinn8558 they can't control life now can they 😂 those that get to play it will honour those that didn't
@@SenturosGaviannus that is a very disrespectful answer
the commenter talked about a fan death and u put an emoji and write sarcastically
@@nikobellic9140 and as I told him... The BS teams can't control life or death. It's called honestly... Welcome to the channel! I'm as blunt as they get.
@@nikobellic9140 people die. It's not the modders fault. Get a grip.
I just hope I'll be alive long enough to see it released and then complete it.
@@orzorzelski1142 same... Not even 30 yet 😂
You make a lot of valid points. But some of it is stuff we've heard a million times...over half a decade ago. I think people are well within their rights to want to see more tangible progress. The video you linked showing off Cyrodiil's completion is definitely a good example of this.
Another thing I'd mention is that the statement about how much of a headache it would be to retroactively link quests together: Sure that works for the case of Cyrodiil. But that doesn't exactly apply to cases like Atmora or Roscrea which one would reasonably think would be isolated from the mainland Tamriel. And if anything it's disheartening that with those two examples, they've apparently gone through so many revisions and complete re-does of the ideas behind the place. I'm fairly certain Atmora started off as an unrelated mod with a fairly rudimentary landmass demo which then got brought into the fold of BS...and somehow that has stalled or even reversed its progress when every logical assumption would have you think the opposite should have happened in all the years since.
The obsession with revision and perfection before release is all the more frustrating as we're seeing it be far more mainstream in the AAA games industry for fully priced new games to rely on patching in updates later. Some games are outright broken lol.
I want to do a vidoe on those 2 BS Islan mods. Becase there is a point to being upset with projects like theres. And This was more of a backing BS, the other one will be kind of on the upset fans side of things.
I'm not on Atmora so I can't speak for it or why they did what they did, but Roscrea hasn't changed its vision. What you are thinking of is the landmass fix they had to do a year ago and that was mechanically necessary. The legends busted it out in a year about and are now very close to release - so don't get discouraged for that one. Check out the recent CMC to see what I mean!
I’m not complaining. Projects like this take a long time to make but I think it would be awesome to see. If people have a problem with it, nothing is stopping them from trying themselves
What I find sad is that BS bruma released 7 years ago and was only meant to be a pre release "taste test" of what we could expect, and we haven't had any other release since then. Half a year before Bruma released the team posted a video where they said every content there was completed, and they only had QC left. It took them 6 months to quality check tiny Bruma when ALL the content was completed. 6 months. And we haven't had any releases since then. How in the world are we supposed to get Cyrodiil? let alone all the other places.
There are still a couple pre releases that are supposed to come, but they haven't even been announced. If they release next year (unlikely as hell) and we follow the same timeframe of bruma then we won't get the full release of the nation minimum 7+ years after (and still going). Do you honestly believe people will continue working on this mod in the late 2030s? I don't.
The sad truth is that this team bit of way more than they can chew. And the god's honest truth is that it will most likely never be released. I don't even have faith BS cyrodiil (or any other full nation) will be released.
Well. They have bitten off more then they should have. But Skyrim has lasted 13 years. And i believe its still going to be charging strong into Tes 6. All they really need is to get cyrodiil out the door and shit will move fast.
That could be like atleast 2 more years off I'd say since they're working on IC assets and storylines. Still much to be done though.
I just hope that Legacy of the Dragonborn and the Beyond Skyrim mods will have a patch . I am playing with Legacy and Bruma in the L.O. and the Auryen send me to Cyrodil to find him a dagger . Playing with this 2 mods together is so good . I also start at Bruma as a bard with the become a bard mod . Can´t wait to play the full mod but i will . Take your time guys and thanks so much for the hard work .
Because it’s super difficult and they’re doing it for free on the side. I’m getting a little impatient, but I get it.
We are trying our damnedest to get it done, and we are still moving at the same fast paced on Cyr and the pre-releases, but it's just hard with a volunteer team. I pretty much work BS as a second full time job and it's just never enough time. It will pay off, just need to wait unfortunately
Just look at the Skywind project. It’s been so many years.
@@cassusgames they just put out a casting call. So that's always a good sign.
I've never had a problem with the wait. It's a group of massive projects. Effectively seven or eight different entire Skyrim sized games or bigger for the most part. Building up from the ground with sometimes very little lore to work from in the case of Roscrea and only a few words about Atmora. And all that done by people volunteering their personal time. If we get to see even a couple of the projects to completion it's a massive success.
I so wanted Bethesda to do something with Atmora and the Sea of Ghosts during their Skyrim development period. They'd built up such a mystery to what happened there as well as the Sea itself and then did nothing with any of it.
Yea. I'll be happy with cyrodiil coming out. everything after that gts out faster.
I saw somewhere else there are some interactions with Skyrim qeusts, for example, the "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood"/Dark Brotherhood Questline connects with one of the big Cyrodil quests. Basically, you can lock out the two Skyrim Dark Brotherhood branches in a Cyrodil quest (but you do get warned).
That's really cool. It'll help tie it all in and make it feel like one world rather than a whole bunch of disconnected provinces
That's one of the few. We try to avoid vanilla edits where possible, but that one is absolutely necessary for one of our main questlines.
yeah i wanna start in skyrim then ill probably work my way out.
@@selfishbeats lies 😂 this comes out Skyrim is getting cancelled in everyone's playthrough 😂
@@SenturosGaviannus im trying to multiply my playtime not play a new game. so I'm doing everything and when i get tired i'll do what I usually do and murder the whole world. but I want a solid playthrough first. I know I won't get tired.
As much as I love this project and the hours volunteers have put in it, they have failed the PR massively. They've hyped people up with something that might never see the light of day, and has grave uncertainties. It would've been better if they kept their progress on a low profile, to not build any false expectations. Fallout London did this very good
It's some backward thinking, to be honest. First of all, it's going nowhere if they never show it. They won't pull in people who have the skills and interest in making this come out.
And it might not, but it might. And the more they come and add in, the closer it comes to being completed. It's not a guarantee, it's never been. It's a dream. It's a dream they're working on for it to become real. Fallout is like 1/10 the size of anything that The Elder Scrolls has to do in scale.
There's so much more going into TES games than Fallout games.
If you look at all the crazy shit they have done with Cyrodiil you will see theres no lack of movment, they are very far ahead. And moving at a good pase. for a free mod, that outdoes Bethisda on every level. And since its free the people making this have to live their lives and work. So it will take 3x aslong to make then a paid game by Bethisda.
Just my 20c
5:26 brings back fun old memories.
@@hexafluoride9899 as in you did some LVL design?
No the ringing in the background of the video.
@@hexafluoride9899 Was me Tinder going off.
Will someone even care about TES 6 ? If you can start your Skyrim and go everywhere will you even care about TES 6 ? There mission will probable be better from what Todd is doing . The work have more passion . And we can mod skyrim to make her look like she was make with Unreal Engine 5 at this point . We all see how Starfield look and play .
That's what I've been saying to people. My current Skyrim game with Bruma, and hopefully in the future all of the beyond Skyrim projects will be far more fun and immersive than any official ES Game could be.
I can respect the delays. I think they want to put out a superior product, not one like most game companies throw out there that needs patching on the day of release. I hope I'm right in the fact that they strike me as having the opinion and attitude of "if you're going to do it, do it right the first time".
Its a mod for a beth mod.... Its going need patching day 1 xD. but yes, they want to bring out the best we can.
I think they run into the same problem of any game that takes too long, especially any beth game....modding modernizes the current releases in the eyes of the player. Beyond skyrim content looks outdated because it is being built in the style of a 5 or 6 year old skyrim...so as they finish this massive project they have to continually be updating assets, lighting, weather, textures, character models to meet a standard that is constantly improving due to skyrim. Even if they release the game will probably be insufficient graphically and will be needing modders to update it to be as populat as it should be.
Ive thought about lending a hand in npc templates for them to use so they can add npcs's rapidly, but i assume they already have a modders resource for it.
@@PrestonGarvey69 probs do. I mean atleast in cyrodill. Can always ask. There's newer projects that don't even have NPC built yet like vallenwood or maybe even elsywer
We can always use more people who know how to work with NPCs! Even if just a small contribution, join the AU or apply for a team! It's a fun time anyway
just a guess but,. they still looking for volunteers to do quests, levels, voice, navmesh, etc etc etc . They start these things without the people required to do it and then hope to get all these professionals (because the people putting mods onto the nexus aren't good enough for them) to do the things for free. I'm guessing that most of the people who they had at the start have left for paid work or careers or whatnot. The Cynic in me says they milk it for their own ends, for their own skill demonstrations or god forbid youtube views and are therefore actually not really in much of a hurry for that to end. Hey but I'm just a skeptic who didn't take the covid vax so what do I know. Most MODS because that's what they are get released way before being finished and then get added to over time AND other modders release stuff for them like patches fixes voiceing like Vigilant and Glenmoril. Look at Beyond Reach that is a great mod and grew into that by being released and added to by independent modders. That's the thing they want ownership, the final say in everything about the mod, when the whole reason for Skyrim's success is because it is so customizable with mods.
yandere dev type malevolence? i kinda agree... all volunteer work and the guy who came up with the concept just takes all the profits...
I have to agree, no one expects beyond skyrim to be perfect, and people should expect it to still be developed after release because mods are. I dont understand why they don't release portion by portion, it would take the same amount of time to integrate the portions together, and they would gain even more support to motivate them, and motivation is key to unpaid modders. I can imagine BS cyrodiil releasing, but the other projects may not
It will be great (again). ❤eventually lmao
@@Laaonne all good things take time. And each day gone makes the finish line closer
I'm more concerned about how long tamriel rebuilt is taking lol
@@joshsmith6995 probs has Less people... And it's like nowhere near as known as Skyrim. So it would be hard finding people interested in modding it. Unless they are people that played that game
im just worried that they will use eso lore...
@@liamlinson7563 what's wrong with ESO lore?
In some streams, they have stated they don't use ESO lore unless it's fairly compatible and not nonsensical, for example, there will be no dragons in Beyond Skyrim Elsweyr from The Halls of The Colossus, and of course, no Ithelia etc.
You don't have to worry, all good, they said also they don't have to adhere to ESO, because they were writing for Beyond Skyrim before ESO was released.
@barbaarcapibara6287 well it's good to ignore it hilarious because she very well will be imprisoned and forgotten again. And I don't mind the dragons, likenthey would have fled skyrim when aluminium was defeated. And went south... they have wings so they don't have to follow boarders. Anyway someone would add their own eso mods to such a project when it releases
My understand is eatch landvis get its own release frist with cryodel the morrowwind and the others
elder scrolls 6 is gonna be out before they're done, so few people are gonna play the mod
you think TES 6 is going to kill skyrim.... xD For about afew months. Then skyrim back.
@@SenturosGaviannus nice take 🤡🤡🤡
@@hoagie911 💧😢👸
Really bad take. If anything, I'd play this rather than ES6. This mod will include all of tamriel and be the perfect, complete elder scrolls game.
ES6 will never match that scope.
@@mrwabbit9576 Keep pumping that coin, I'm sure it'll go to the moon 🚀
I think Cyrodiil and Roscrea will come out before 2030. Maybe even the Morrowind prerelease too, or Atmora.
@@peterduprey7286 Morrowind pre release is very soon... They've announced they're looking for voice actors, that's the next thing to come out.
I’m afraid that The Elder Scrolls 6 will be released before Beyond Skyrim is released. I must say though that of all the games I have I mostly play Skyrim SE/AE. I always have Bruma in my play through and I’m looking forward to The rest to be released.
Even if ES6 releases, there's so many conditions that have to be met for it to be competition for beyond Skyrim.
It has to be good on release for a start which Bethesda have been pretty incapable of since Skyrim.
It's also not going to be anywhere near the scope. Unless Bethesda release a game that covers the entirety of nirn, beyond Skyrim will always have its niche and purpose.
@@mrwabbit9576 I must agree with 100%.
I'm happy with them taking their time cause what their teams have shown so far is so beautiful and detailed. Honestly, I think their stuff has such polish and lore awareness that at this point I think it would make sense to make a Beyond Skyrim: Skyrim! 😆
people dont like DEI/Blackrock and woke forced politics into games, thats why there is complaining, bethesda deserves to be bashed. this "modern audiance" trash is destroying media and fans
I think they should just use ai for coding, concept art, maybe even voice acting
AI voice acting tends to be trashy and robotic. AI also can't produce original art and doesn't have a good understanding of objects or design so it can't do much for concept art.
its a bit mindboggling in their showcase videos.. they never use any of the lore friendly mods like Bosmer have antlers or the breton have elf ears... like why? i get it to keep it skyrim vanilla style.. but still ESO did it
@@samuelsun3560 vallenwood has only just started.... There's not much to show. There doing the fur stocks for the khajiit so they probs adding antlers.
Eso was genuinely one of the worst games ever made BS team have much more sense
@@snaker9er Okay???
@@snaker9er was like a sniper round... Come out of fucken nowhere... And still candy find em...
arre they still releasing The New North?
Yes they are.... and they're really bloody close.. they just put out a community post on youtube looking for VA for the new north. And that means, they are really close to release, Within the end of the year or start of next maybe. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxCljWlZLIbWZSGndSurOjnokQPwdaTJ7T
We'll hear more next month with Modcon!
@@SenturosGaviannus What's the date exactly of modcon? (cant find it on google)
@@SenturosGaviannus omg nice! thanks for all that info bro - watching ur new video about the VA recruiting right now lol
bro were you tired in this vid😂? anyway, i wont lie i have kinda given up hope for the beyond series. I loved bruma but i just dont see where they release it before tes6. You are right that they are creating incredible quality during their free time but at a certain point, too much time has passed.
@@Violesada I was holding back afew yawns... But even if it doesn't come out before tes 6 Skyrim won't be dead.
@@SenturosGaviannus Just look at TAmriel Rebuilt on Morrowind
@@SenturosGaviannusVery true. We don't even know if TES 6 will be as modding-friendly as TES 5.
gotta understand that they make 5 skyrims in one. this is a lifetime commitment. if the full release is in 2070 then i will be there for it
@@veryrare432hz 😂 I fucken won't be... I'll be dead and the world will be waiting for elder scrolls 9....