Haha yes that would be really awesome. I’m building the 428 for the galaxie so I’ll see how she handles. Might change plans after I do some burnouts haha
As soon as I saw your heads and exhaust manifolds, I new it wasn't a CJ....or even a GT or PI. In 1995 I bought a 69 factory replacement complete Q code 428 CJ engine assembly, pan to air cleaner, O.E. distributor, bell housing, clutch, fuel pump, flywheel, accessory drive, distributor, alternator, and aluminum finned valve covers, exhaust manifolds - everything, in like new condition with only 700 miles on it, for $1500. The add came out late Thursday evening. I skipped work the next morning so I could drive half a day to get there first. While I was loading the engine onto my truck, the guy's phone was ringing off the hook. He'd just pick it up and say "sorry, it's sold - another guy is loading it up right now", put the phone back down just to immediately start ringing again. I drove back home and right away turned it over to a friend for the $1500, plus my gas money - because he had bought a R-code 1969 Mustang GT convertible chassis missing its engine. A worthy cause, I figured. At the same time, I also bought the matching big spline Cobra Jet 4-spd Toploader, a set of never used Hooker big-tube headers for an FE in a Fairlane or Torino, and a new old stock still unopened in the box Hurst "Competition Plus" shifter to go with the transmission - all for another $400. But for whatever reason, he wouldn't sell the N-case Traction - Lock rear axle - he was firm about keeping that. Then I spotted a drivable, virtually rust free 1969 351W Fairlane 2-door hardtop in the far corner of his yard, so after some inquiring, he told me it had a swapped 68 428-4V Police Interceptor engine, Cobra Jet C6 auto trans, and a WAR case 31 spline 4-pinion traction lock diff in it. A little persuasion and another $2000 - I drove it home a week later.
Haha wow man you got some nice finds. I think nowadays it’s definitely a lot harder to find any of this stuff but those who know will get some good stuff
What state was the R code GT convertible found? I came across a 1969 Mustang GT convertible R code Drag Pack missing the engine many years ago. That car was located in MA near the coast.
Omar, you just brought back so many memories of arguments about ford big blocks from my teen years. Anyone that had a ford big block FE all claimed it was either a 427 or 428.(never the 332, 352, 360, 390 or 406 or 410) Being raised in a family that followed STOCK CAR Racing I was aware of the many differences. My dad and uncle raced at a local track. Ford used these engines in so many displacement configurations that people still argue about. It was my understanding also, the CJ and SCJ started life as police interceptor engines. Love your videos. I am now a new follower. Also, I think some of the 390GT heads made it onto the early 428s. Exhaust bolts were at 10 & 4 o'clock positions. I'm now subscribed.
Thanks Neil, these engines definitely have a ton of history and a hundred uses. The FE engine has to be my favorite engine so far, I would t mind having a couple of 390s and 428s!
Feliz cumpleano Omar. I'm an old FE guy myself, bought my first FE in 1974. After all these years, I only have one FE now, and it's pickled in a drum of diesel fuel. It's *special*, one of 50 built, one of two that escaped to the wild. In 1964, Ford built 50 390's with 4 bolt mains, radical solid lifter cams, 12.5:1 compression, rods that look like Lemans rods, and medium riser heads, 2x4bbl. Experimental, all 50 went to the Wisconsin State Patrol, and were supposed to come back to Ford. 48 did. I found mine in a rural junkyard in Iowa a long time ago, way before internet. Mailed all the numbers I could find (many with XX's) to Ford archives, they said they didn't know the engine. I found one last number, on the face of the camshaft, under the cam gear - sent that to them, and they asked where the engine was, wanted it back. NOPE. MINE. I ran it in 7 different vehicles over about 15 years, then pickled it, to wait for the perfect old Ford, which I've never found (yet).
@@CoyoteFTW Never dynoed mine, but my butt tells me around 550 hp, huge torque from midrange to wherever you let out of the throttle. When I first got it running, it was hard for me to believe that they turned this loose in a patrol car - the cam is wack-radical and doesn't slack off even when you know you're turning it too tight. Amazingly well balanced.
Great story I like those I bought a 4 bb.fe.at a yard sale late on Sunday thay were shuting it down and as I was looking this old feller said to me I have something here that might work well in my 63.5 galaxy and I said what's that he said it's probably better than the engen in your car I told him it was a 352 pi.4v engene he pulled up this clear plastic cover and thair was this fe 4v. Block with aluminum fined valve covers but nothing else it had a price on it for 1200:00 dalars I said I don't have that kind of money but it shure is pretty it was complet it had a scoop in the air cleaner I had no idea what it was he asked me how much money i had I was 19 years old I had 400:00 dalars at home he said you go get it and hury back and you can have it I just want it gone and this was in 1979 I did but didn't really want to spend all my money and wish I had said I only had 300:00 any way I went back gave him the money and he put it in my trunk on some boards and y had air shocks he aired them up I went to my uncle's to use his back hoe to get it out and all this time I'm thinking wat did I just do I wasn't really happy but I checked it out and found out it was a 1969 428 scj. Out of a shaker mustang even had the correct exzost manifolds wat a deal and I still have it
There was a time when FE blocks were readily available from salvage yards. Many years of racing, truck pulls, etc., have really reduced available inventory for classic car guys. Nice deal on this one, I hope this block can be saved for rebuild. Looking forward to the head install coming up!
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Don't forget to torque the heads bolts, our Yankee neighbor said he has built over a 1000 engines yet he didn't know about dog and.....etc
In the late 1970's, the service replacement engine blocks for the 428 were 391 truck engine blocks, bored out and the external oil line hole had a plug put in it. That's the way they came from Ford. A friend bought a 1970 428 police car at a government auction. It had the cast iron Cobra Jet intake manifold, anti-pump up hydraulic lifters with adjustable rocker arms. The police engines had the GT camshaft, but unlike the CJ, the crankshaft gear did not retard the camshaft 8 degrees. The CJ crankshaft gear retards the camshaft. The police crank gear has the timing mark in line with a gear tooth, while the CJ gear has the mark between gear teeth.
Some 428s came in thunderbirds as thunderjet 428, they were basically police interceptor style engines but were 428s instead of 390s. Still a great engine. Most a FE blocks say 352 on the side of the block. A 352 will not allow overbore to 428 cubes.
Very nice find, you got a great deal. The crankshaft is worth more than what you paid. I have a new set of Racetech pistons for a 4.155 bore. I would give someone a deal. If you block would clean up, would be nice. Take care, Ed.
I've been a mechanic for 55 years I did heads for 20 years along with other parts and I also used to go to swap meets and sell parts not flea markets! You probably have truck heads or the truck top end the exhaust manifolds are car or truck because they're flat if you just have two bolts on the heads I can't see through the grease on each Port then you got a standard head look at the valves they're a little bit bigger on 428 and there's multiple exhaust holes on the head cuz I've had Cobra Jet manifolds for 390 and the manifolds are more round like a pipe and they're bent downward instead of out somebody could have sold the 428 top end or the heads? But you have regular 390 or so heads they heads aren't covered yet the block is hard to say without hot tanking it cuz there's too much crap on it I had my own hot tank once everything's hot tanked you can expect to see everything but like I say you can put a 428 crank in a 390 block but you also have to look at what the Pistons were because they are flat and not dished most Cobra Jets have only two valve relief some of them have only one it depends on the compression but after you've hot tanked all that crap you'll know but if you have two bolt holes on the heads those are standard 390 or 428 standard then look at the T-bird when it had a 428 the T-bird did not have Cobra Jet Parts on it so you could have a T-Bird motor you could have a Mercury motor cuz Mercury did not have Cobra Jet top end
A 428 eh, I got a story that will break your heart! Back in 2010 was having income problems and couldn't keep up monthly payments on my storage unit and ended up losing the whole thing. In that storage unit was a complete 1965 427FE top oiler with medium riser heads, Ouch! I bought it from my dad when he built another one to swap it out of his F250, just time he decided to try a different setup of cam and heads! Mine had been in his truck since 1977 and was still a runner! I subscribed to watch your project come along, should be fun!
Oh right on you have a 64 Galaxie! I had a 64 XL 500, blew up several 390's 410's, finally went to a medium riser 427 with a baby c6 and what a difference , it used to snap drivers side engine mounts frequently . Used to collect FE engine parts , still have a couple 427 side oilers waiting to find a nice comet or a fairlane to put one in.
Congratulations. I have built several of these engines. I used to own a 1968 GT500KR. Presently I have a 452 cu. in Shelby aluminum blocked FE with Edelbrock heads. It has a street roller cam, fuel injection and an stack intake system. The engine made 550 hp and 600 lb.ft of torque. It is in my 1968 fastback. It has run a best of 7.18 sec in the eight mile (about 11.3 quarter mile). If you want any advice on cam selection or head selection, I'd be happy to help. I have a new solid flat tappet cam you can have if you pay the shipping. 248/256 6.10/6.20 on a 110 LCA. I also have a used street roller solid cam with similar specs if you want it. I recommend the TFS heads, if it's in your budget. If you wish to contact me, let me know.
turbo32coupe, I just bought a 1967 Fairlane GTA convertible with a C8ME-A engine, which tells me it is not numbers matching. Is there any fast way to confirm it's at least a 390?
@@brianboyle3998 Ford didn't put the 352 in the Fairlane, so you have a 390 most likely. I have a used 428 crank which would make it a 410 if its a 352. If you pull the pan, look at the crank. The 390 crank will say 2U or 2UA
428 cobra jet pistons say 428 SUPER on them. Even the regular CJ. The CJ also had 13/32 rod bolts a bit bigger than other FE rods. 428 used a high volume water pump so that would have value.
Good find! Many years ago we got an FE core from a customer that bought a 390. As soon as I saw the hatchet spacer I told the core guys not to tear it down. Turned out to be a ‘70 SCJ.
Yes you got it right.. 4 bolts to each port on the heads.. I had a 68 1/2 ford mustang fastback 428 cobra jet with the top loader 4 speed as my 1st car at the age of 16 (0: Those 4 bolts with headers are a nightmare to put in... And that clutch was hard to hold down also... It was a fun car... I guy i sold it to 40 years ago still has it.. But he has a 351 Cleveland in it now... I did have problems with cracking heads and losing head gaskets so water got into the block.. It did this twice to me... Simple fast cars to work on.. This stuff they make now is total crap... Every time a modern car goes to hell on me... I put old school stuff from older cars,,,engines and wiring to them... So I never have to put up with all these chips and sensors any more... It's a racket to just steal all your cash...
I don't know the casting number of them but I had a set of 16 bolt exhaust heads from my 67 Fairlane GTa in my dad's barn because I was running some rebuilt police T bird heads that had smaller chambers at the time. Long story short my step brother pitched my heads on his load of scrap metal. I was not a happy camper! And you are right those FE cast intakes can give you a hernia.
An edelbroc top end and the right cam would make it a great street beast ! I love the FE motors , cut the weight and they are perfect ! Torque and power with decent fuel milage .
Torque and power, yes! Decent fuel mileage, what are you smoking! I'm old enough I put gas in them! Like to see someone convert one to modern fuel injection and crank triggered ignition! The external dimensions and weight weren't bad if you ditch that 80lb intake for aluminum! Think the Cobra jets had 440 ft pounds of Torque, and the 335 horsepower rating was bs! 400hp is much more believable!
@@markmccarty9793 I have a 54 ford cp , 10 over 390 , with 60 over 352 pistons , rods and crank , flat top pistons , 292 duration , 512 lift hyd cam , intercepter heads , aluminum intake and a 750 on it , backed by a toploader and a 9 inch with 355 gears i get 27 mpg open highway . Loves to run about 80 mph lol
I have a good set of 428 cobra jet heads from a 69 Torino GT (fastback), yes has the 16 bolt pattern on the exhaust. And I absolutely know that to be true because I've had them since they were removed from the car in 1975. Replaced it with a 427 side oiler.
Just putting together a new engine for my sons 67 Galaxie. Was a C scratch block block we put in 16 years ago. made it 70k miles, and an intke water leak hydro locked it and bent a rod. The one going in as a 434c.i. bored, and stroked (4.125 steel crank) 360 block, with billet cross bolted mains, roller cam, and ported Edlebrock heads. Love the FE's, and the small blocks for that matter. Nice score on the block. I bet it can be saved. Cheers, Mike
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Yes lots of torque, and that's what you want for the street. The more common stroker crank is 4.25, which gives you around 445ci. Makes for a real stump puller.
I don't know much about Ford engines but I would have bought this myself. My mechanic would love it. I hope you have a Happy Birthday. Picking up one of those old intakes is like picking up an overweight bulldog. Lol.
Happy Birthday!! You have some cool cars and parts there. Some FE heads are better than others. That book you have is a good one for sure. Helps identify just about everything for those engines. The guy that wrote it is the FE guru.
I am an old school Ford man for those who do not know this every 428 on the right side of the freeze out plug in the middle has a stamp for 428 check it out see if I'm right. Ford a better idea💡
I had set of cross bolt FE heads with intake.....Believe it or not someone stoled them along with all my high performance parts...They also cleaned out all of my flathead parts...That was good deal on any 428....
Redemption! And happy FE birthday Omar! That was a nice find 👌 assess the block and who knows? It could be a great engine for your Mustang project. Much cooler than the coyote. There are some good fuel injection options for the Ford FE now to help keep these great old engines running reliability. Enjoy your birthday 🥳
I had a 1968 and a half Mustang Fastback,A long time ago now. At the time I bought the car (1985) I had no idea of what it was, except that it was a Fastback and it had a Big Block which I initially thought was a 390. The engine was no good,the heads had been taken off and left on the ground under the car,Water had gotten into the block and it had 3 cracked pistons,and at least 2 hairline cracks in the block.. yeah they were big cracks I could see. Anyway I did salvage the crankshaft, camshaft, and the heads...I traded those parts and $100 for a running 428 from a Thunderbird and put that in the Mustang,I drove it until 1997-98...I did learn the car was in fact a 68 1/2 Cobrajet but I didn't have the money or space to restore it properly,and I sold it. The 428 I was running didn't perform as well as the original 428 Cobrajet but she was no slouch either,I like those 428s
Oh mannn, I’ve heard lots of stories where people sell their cars and later regretted it. But I guess back then they weren’t that valuable as they are now
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie back in the 80s you could still find 60s 70s Mustangs,Camaros,Chargers for 3k-5k still running...of course they were pretty beat up and nothing special or rare but they were still fun. And back then,not alot of research was being done on Muscle Cars except the high-end well known models. And so cars like my 68 and 1/2 sort of slipped through the cracks...I had never heard of one..the only Factory Big Block Mustangs I had ever seen were the 67-68 390 cars. Good luck with your Mustang!!
Yes 85 lbs. Try having to lift one out over the fenders or front support. I had heard that ford recommends a cherry picker to pull them. I never did but it sounds like the way to go. Going to an aluminum intake is 50lbs less right there. Performance gain and less weight off of that pathetic spindly ford front suspension
I have 68 coup I put a 428 out of a mercury marquis and it runs like a scalded dog it is a tight fit with top loader 4 speed and borgusen power steering and long tube headers.
I’m going to guess what you have there is a 4 brl truck engine. A 428/4V engine. I once drove a 3,000 gal 6 wheel F750 oil tanker, that was powered by a 428/4V, with a low hole 5 speed with 2 speed rear with 5:88 posi, that was to help deliver heating oil in bad weather. As it’s illegal for tire chains on oil trucks. The owner of the fleet had 4 or these, the others were just like, but had Cat V8 diesel, that would hold speed on hills, but took longer to get up to. With headers and short dual exhaust they sounded awesome! Especially with a small load split shifting at full throttle! Side by side with the Cat Diesel it was no contest 0-65! That was top speed in the diesel, but the gas could get over 75, that was at 4,400 rpm red line. The diesel ran for 300,000 miles easily between rebuilding, but the 428 gas was lucky to get 160,000 on a original, but mine never used any oil and ran for 175,000, before it developed a rod knock.
Years ago I went to look at a 390 for one of my trucks. Got to the guy’s farm and it was literally sitting upside down in a pig pen. Can’t even remember his asking price but I turned to the seller and said “I’ll give you fifty bucks”. He started squealing so I turned and walked towards my truck. Dude must have needed cash cause I got it for fifty. Tore it down and it had a set of 428 SCJ connecting rods - apparently from the factory. Sold them at a swap meet for good coin. It’s like the old box of chocolates. You never know what you’ll get. Just subscribed!
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Yep. Found one of those too. Older guy. Ford hoarder. Had a whole field full of old Fords - mostly convertibles, wasting away. Went to look at the 427 side-oiler bare block he had for sale. It was indeed a side-oiler but it was already marked .030 over and was lying on the ground out in the open. Took a pass on it. At $750.00 I probably should have taken a chance. This was about thirty years ago. Can’t buy ‘em all, I guess.
I have a 428 that has a heavy duty block with the reinforced main bearing webbing and they are even thicker than the ones in this video. There are plenty of them out there that were service/replacement blocks and they have no vin numbers like mine. It's a 1974 D4TE block with a mirror image 105 on the front. It's bored .030 over 428 standard bore size and it never even gets close to overheating. It's absolutely impossible to know my engine is a 428 by external examination as with lots of these FEs today since they've got so many mixed up parts in them.
My dad found a 428 block like this. He built it up to lots of HP. Filled the block water jackets filled in. Big power bored stroked blueprinted 428 was crazy power 1200 plus HP on bottle
I love your channel! I have a 63.5 Galaxie and would love a 427 SOHC... I've been on the hunt for a 64 Galaxie 2 door club sedan. Not as desirable as the fastback, but I like that oddball stuff. Keep up the great content!
Back in the day, early 80's, a friend of mine from school wrecked his mustang. I asked to buy the 428 CJ from him. We pulled the motor and loaded it into my truck. I paid $385 for everything from the fan to the bell housing, including the shaker hood scoop. I put the motor in my 76 Ford 4x4 truck, lifted with 37" tires. Had the hood scoop stashed in the barn at my parents house. They rented the barn out to some people and it was stolen.
The 1965 and 1966 352 and 390's were put into production too early. Many had to have the cylinders worked, to make the rings seat when they were new. Chevy ran into the same problem and introduced the 402, a bored out 396. The BBC's wouldn't seat the rings. Most of the 1970 454 had to be worked over at the dealer.
As a solíd GM guy, I do love FE Ford's! Thing is when you look at this greasy mess and that intake, etc, they just don't look like much of a performance engine at first. I really like what this Robotnik guy here in Michigan has done for the FE world. Also love hearing those big Galaxies and Starliners running 8.90s carrying the front wheels 330ft while banging gears!
Haha man that’s awesome. I love seeing these big cars going down the track as well. I almost bought a starliner if it wasn’t for my trailer messing up on me I would’ve had it!
As a performance engine, the standard FE was actually pathetic in comparison to its BB and even some SB competition. Only the rare "special" versions (406, 427, and SOHC) made competitive power. I worked at a performance engine shop that built them all but only raced Fords ourselves for years. Our own 351C engines were much more race worthy than our 428 CJ ever could hope to be. In my opinion, the 429 - 460 Ford BB is the best standard production BB engine of them all for the 60-70's era for power potential. Same for the 351C compared to the other SB's of the era.
@@scottb8175 I loved and hated the 390 based FE I had in my 67 Fairlane GT and agree with everything you said. I made mine run good and won some street races but for what I spent and did I would have been better off going to something different. But it was all fun.
@@bw3506 One thing the FE had over just about all other engines was how easy they were to work on for the average shade tree mechanic. Besides the fact most parts interchanged, distributor is in the front, the damper was a non-interference fit, one piece oil pan gasket w/o separate end seals, rods had full floating wrist pins held with snap rings, lifters came out with the heads in place, no special bolts or installation procedures, most everything was accessible with basic tools, especially once the engine was out of the car. No special tools really needed at all. The only tricky item to install was the rear main cap side seals.
@@scottb8175 Yep you definitely know them! I was just a pup when I started messing with them but I got an education thrashing on it. I once had a guy arguing with me how there was no way I was doing a cam change without pulling the intake. Honestly I had forgotten about the flat pan rail on them. My big Mopars have that too.
In some older tech literature on the 428 it was stated that the crank IDs reveal what type of 428 you have: A 1U means 66-70 Q or P- code 345hp; 1UA denotes a CJ and the 1UB means SCJ ...... Is that true? Also you had different balancing specs from Ford for each type and THEN another set of specs depending on whether you had 4-SP or C-6. That means SIX different weight specs for all 428s. Piston weights varied between 682 to 712 grams. It was a jungle and also the main reason why they had consistent failure on the #5 main bearing after parts swapping by people who did not know what they were doing. Severe vibrations. (unless the engine had been dynamically balanced.) Which most were not. Most were built in your home garage and then on to the boulevard. The ´67 block I have was damaged this way. A 4sp was installed in the car and the flywheel was a zero balance unit off of a 390 engine. It was rebuilt each time and no one had a clue as to why it failed every time.
What is the bore, 4.13" or 4.05"? It could be a 410. Check that book you referenced and it tells you how to check the cylinder casting thickness using a drill bit as a go / no go gauge after pulling the freeze plugs. If it's a 410 with the thick cylinder castings it could be over bored 0.080 and now you have a standard 428.
I think the "GT" and Police Interceptor 390/428 had bigger rod bolts than the standard 390/428 rods as well. I also seem to remember the SCJ 428 got different rods than the standard CJ, too. Maybe even the 427 side-oiler's "Le-Mans" cap screw rods? I know when my boss was racing his 69 428 SCJ, his engine had the cap screw rods in it.
A MACHINE SHOP IN YUCAIPA CALIF (GONE NOW) STILLMAN & DODD...HAD THE BEST EQUIPTMENT OF ANYBODY I KNEW AT THE TIME...EARLY 80'S...FANTASTIC MACHINE WORK...THEY HAD SUNNEN MACHINES!!! I SPECD A 327 SMALL BLOCK...I Wanted 0.15 thousands on main & rods...it was RIGHT ON TARGET...THAT ENGINE RAN HARD WITH SMALL VALVE HEADS AND A 3 SPEED STICK IN A 65 EL CAMINO...IT PULLED SO HARD DAN RACED ALOT OF OTHERS AND WON...THEN WE WANTED 2.02 HEADS...OH BOY...IT MADE IT VERY QUICK...HE SMASHED HIS KNUCKLES ON THE DASH T OO MANY TIMES...LOLH
I recommend getting a truck mounted engine hoist, you can get them second hand for $100 or less. It makes losing and unloading so much easy. It also folds out of the way when not in use.
That's an authentic 428-CJ block with the reinforced center main webs (they also had higher nickel content) and a 1U crank. The heads are not CJ, which have 16 cap screws on the exhausts I have the correct 1UA crank in my SCJ with "hatchet spacer" and heavy dampener. The 428-SCJ also differs from the CJ by using the stronger 427 "LeMans" capscrew rods.
There is another trick for positive identification as a 428. If you pull the freeze plugs 428 is cast into the block, I just can't recall the exact freeze plug location. Use a strong flashlight. I know for sure this is true on 1969 428CJ blocks but can't say for sure that it applies to all of them. Many years ago I was also on the hunt for a 428 and it is harder than it might seem at first. Good luck with your projects.
I have a orderd 1971 LTD with a 429 4bbl not shure if its a cobra.it has factory bucket seats .auto shifter on floor. Power disc brakes and a 3.25 rearend.every one i talked has hurd of this package but never seen one.
I am not an FE expert by any means but one look at the exhaust manifolds points to an ordinary 428. True Cobra Jet exhausts resemble a shorty style header. The valve covers should have been chromed, but of course they could have been removed. My guess, based on the strengthened block, is that it's police engine.
@@shonbratton1906 Did not know that. Considering the age of this engine we don't know what it came with from the factory. It's odd that it looks to be a CJ block with standard 428 intake, heads and exhaust. From what I have read the CJ and police blocks were the same design.
I had a 68 PI 428 and it had 6 exhaust bolt heads (same pattern as a GT390), an iron intake, and a FoMoCo tagged Holley 735 cfm 4-barrel. Not all 428 CJ's had chrome valve covers, either. I bought a one owner 70 R-code 428 4-spd Mach 1 and it had painted valve covers, and plain steel wheels with standard 70 Mustang hub caps.
@@scottb8175 What style were the exhaust manifolds on your PI 428? From what I remember the 390GT had standard, log type exhaust manifolds. My first car was a 69 LTD with a 2bbl 390. It ran on regular gas which in retrospect was one of Fords better idea's.
@@briansearles4473 The manifold bolt pattern was different, at least that is what I remember. The heads had 14 exhaust manifold bolt holes vs. 8 for the standard versions. Some ports of the manifolds used the horizontal holes vs. the standard versions that used only vertical pairs of bolts accross each exhaust port. The "GT" style heads only were offered in 390's in Mustangs, Cougars, Fairlanes, and Comets, and the 428 PI. My guess was that the extra holes were because there wasn't enough room around the shock towers to use the standard bolt pattern in the narrower body cars. I know the 67 Shelby GT500 used the 428 PI with GT heads - a friend had one.
What you have appears to be a 428 CJ shortblock with regular 390 passenger car heads and 390 S code intake. If it still has the original camshaft, pull it out and get the part number off it (they are the same cam as the 390 GT engines), and also 428 CJ's had an oddball connecting rod bolt size, bigger than the normal 3/8" size......I want to say 13/32" inch??...if thats the case, then it would indeed be a 428 CJ shortblock, regardless of what vehicle it was intended for. Either way, good score for 200 bones!
I Just Subscribed if you look in the water Jackets. The number 428 is cast into the block. On both sides below the center freeze plugs. and at the very back of the water jacket thru the gap in the mating surface. We have a 67 Q code T Bird. 428 car. A Mirror 106 casting 390 block can often safely be bored to a 428.
Yes I’ve heard of the 428 stamp. I’ve also read about fitting a certain sized drill bit in between the cylinders. I’ll have to take a look and see if this block has it. And I think those mirror blocks are from trucks if I remember correctly
Take heads and pistons from 460 and intall onto that. Makes 500hp. Without any other mods. An Old drag racer trick that I was clued in about a few yrs back
Hey bud happy birthday to you and keep on trucking used to into three 90s back in the day the ones with the two Bolt engine mounts castings had a 66 two-door post Fairlane and a 67 Ranchero used to blow the doors off the kids in the Camaros anyways those intake manifolds are a little heavy aren't they want to know a trick I'm sure you already know those cast iron intake weighs 75 lb aluminum 18 lb besides better breathing raises the front of the car up about a half an inch okay have a good one and again happy birthday enjoy listening to you keep up the good work
That's a lot of good information. 60s Fords are famous for being puzzles too, I guess. LOL. Weren't some of the Mercs made with CJs and even some Cougars with SCJ too? Just curious what your HP target is on the build you've working. I've not kept up but I can remember guys getting 550 - 600HP without getting crazy. Very streetable. Good torque and didn't need to be revved to drive fast.
Hey John, yes lots of mercuries came with the CJ engine. I know where there’s a 68-69 mercury cyclone with a CJ but owner won’t really sell it haha. I’m shouting for 500hp but realistically end up around 400hp. I might get it dynoed!
Some of the big Merc's got reinforced blocks anywhere from 390 up. Could be one of those 🙃 Clean it up and see if it'll sleeve OK on that rusty cylinder ... Then you can make a decision on what bore to take it to 😁
my 69 mach 1 was a 428 4spd car with 430 gears,,its a cj...sad it did not have it when i got it,,,had a junk oil burning 427 out of a auto matic ,,well it had no pilot bearing in it..trashed the toploader....i traded my 66 polara 500 ragtop for it in 77...now has a 302 with a c4 in it now,,,,i like it better that way
Back in my day we used to say boys build small block chevys and men built big block Fords because they can lift the intake manifold, notice the notches in the middle of the pistons to push the valve back in straight when it flotes out instead bending it
Had a complete engine but the heads were off Ended up selling the heads for 800 a pop just the way they were needing rebuilt These engine have a good power
I worked for guy that built fraudulent clones of these and that's not all he did. We parted ways because of the crooked things he did but I learned alot
I know the Cobra Jet Clevelands have XXX stamped on the block. I have no idea about the FE blocks. It’s crazy how hard FE Ford blocks/heads are to tell apart. And just how many different factory options Ford V8’s came with from about 1964 to 1971.
The era of really confusing branches of the FE family started in 1961, with the solid lifter only high-performance 390's. The early ones most people have forgotten about - the 61-62 HP 390, 62-63.5 406, 63.5-64 427 Top-Oiler. the Mercury 410....
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Oh it had lots of guts. The old man seldom let me drive it because he knew it was pretty fast and I would drive the hell out of it.............which I did when I got the chance. It was no 428 but still, pretty quick.
It doesn't matter too much anymore if it's not a 428 Cobra Jet. All Fe blocks are very well hot rodded with all the stroker kits and aftermarket parts they have available today. Even the 352 Fe can produce 600 horsepower with the stroker kit.
@@dougquon1174 I think it’s because the 428 cobra jet is a pretty good package the way it is. It has a 4.13 inch bore x 3.98 inch stroke. Versus the Ford 427 4.23 inch Bore x 3.78 Inch stroke. We all know the longer strokes make big torque and 3.98 inch is pretty big not to say it couldn’t be made longer but it just seems to be a good combination. It makes way more than 335 hp as advertised.
I read once where Ford Called them an FE because of the mount of Iron required to build them... Iron is a chemical element with symbol Fe (from Latin: ferrum) and atomic number 26. It is a metal that belongs to the first transition series and group 8 ... Atomic number (Z): 26 Atomic radius: empirical: 126 pm Oxidation states: −4, −2, −1, 0, +1, +2, +3, +4, ... Density (near r.t.): 7.874 g/cm3 ha ha ha 😁😁
Happy Birthday !!!...great find at a great price. now to decide FE in the fastback or the coyote my 2 cents is the coyote. My 17 gt runs great has the 727hp roush SC kit on it and STILL gets 28-30 mpg on the highway with the ac going. in town....well iam happy at 14 lol
All the factory performance stuff back then came from the agricultural commercial and industrial departments , I've seen what you have mounted to pumps and generators
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I would say instead of coyote swapping that fastback do a 428 with like a 6 speed. Would be pretty sweet!
Haha yes that would be really awesome. I’m building the 428 for the galaxie so I’ll see how she handles. Might change plans after I do some burnouts haha
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie t56 fits right because similar transmission design
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie that 428cj needs to go into something that deserves ut,like a mustang or a torino, a fairlane
Coyote swaps are so grossly OVERrated.
@@460duck Torino GT. Perfect for that.
As soon as I saw your heads and exhaust manifolds, I new it wasn't a CJ....or even a GT or PI.
In 1995 I bought a 69 factory replacement complete Q code 428 CJ engine assembly, pan to air cleaner, O.E. distributor, bell housing, clutch, fuel pump, flywheel, accessory drive, distributor, alternator, and aluminum finned valve covers, exhaust manifolds - everything, in like new condition with only 700 miles on it, for $1500. The add came out late Thursday evening. I skipped work the next morning so I could drive half a day to get there first. While I was loading the engine onto my truck, the guy's phone was ringing off the hook. He'd just pick it up and say "sorry, it's sold - another guy is loading it up right now", put the phone back down just to immediately start ringing again. I drove back home and right away turned it over to a friend for the $1500, plus my gas money - because he had bought a R-code 1969 Mustang GT convertible chassis missing its engine. A worthy cause, I figured.
At the same time, I also bought the matching big spline Cobra Jet 4-spd Toploader, a set of never used Hooker big-tube headers for an FE in a Fairlane or Torino, and a new old stock still unopened in the box Hurst "Competition Plus" shifter to go with the transmission - all for another $400. But for whatever reason, he wouldn't sell the N-case Traction - Lock rear axle - he was firm about keeping that. Then I spotted a drivable, virtually rust free 1969 351W Fairlane 2-door hardtop in the far corner of his yard, so after some inquiring, he told me it had a swapped 68 428-4V Police Interceptor engine, Cobra Jet C6 auto trans, and a WAR case 31 spline 4-pinion traction lock diff in it. A little persuasion and another $2000 - I drove it home a week later.
Haha wow man you got some nice finds. I think nowadays it’s definitely a lot harder to find any of this stuff but those who know will get some good stuff
What state was the R code GT convertible found? I came across a 1969 Mustang GT convertible R code Drag Pack missing the engine many years ago. That car was located in MA near the coast.
Omar, you just brought back so many memories of arguments about ford big blocks from my teen years. Anyone that had a ford big block FE all claimed it was either a 427 or 428.(never the 332, 352, 360, 390 or 406 or 410) Being raised in a family that followed STOCK CAR Racing I was aware of the many differences. My dad and uncle raced at a local track. Ford used these engines in so many displacement configurations that people still argue about. It was my understanding also, the CJ and SCJ started life as police interceptor engines. Love your videos. I am now a new follower. Also, I think some of the 390GT heads made it onto the early 428s. Exhaust bolts were at 10 & 4 o'clock positions. I'm now subscribed.
Thanks Neil, these engines definitely have a ton of history and a hundred uses. The FE engine has to be my favorite engine so far, I would t mind having a couple of 390s and 428s!
Feliz cumpleano Omar. I'm an old FE guy myself, bought my first FE in 1974. After all these years, I only have one FE now, and it's pickled in a drum of diesel fuel. It's *special*, one of 50 built, one of two that escaped to the wild. In 1964, Ford built 50 390's with 4 bolt mains, radical solid lifter cams, 12.5:1 compression, rods that look like Lemans rods, and medium riser heads, 2x4bbl. Experimental, all 50 went to the Wisconsin State Patrol, and were supposed to come back to Ford. 48 did. I found mine in a rural junkyard in Iowa a long time ago, way before internet. Mailed all the numbers I could find (many with XX's) to Ford archives, they said they didn't know the engine. I found one last number, on the face of the camshaft, under the cam gear - sent that to them, and they asked where the engine was, wanted it back. NOPE. MINE. I ran it in 7 different vehicles over about 15 years, then pickled it, to wait for the perfect old Ford, which I've never found (yet).
How much power did they make?
@@CoyoteFTW Never dynoed mine, but my butt tells me around 550 hp, huge torque from midrange to wherever you let out of the throttle. When I first got it running, it was hard for me to believe that they turned this loose in a patrol car - the cam is wack-radical and doesn't slack off even when you know you're turning it too tight. Amazingly well balanced.
Thank you! That sounds really cool, never heard of that before.
@@maniyan_wanagi 550hp in the 60’s wow! You are lucky to have such a cool experience thank you for sharing great story.
Great story I like those I bought a 4 bb.fe.at a yard sale late on Sunday thay were shuting it down and as I was looking this old feller said to me I have something here that might work well in my 63.5 galaxy and I said what's that he said it's probably better than the engen in your car I told him it was a 352 pi.4v engene he pulled up this clear plastic cover and thair was this fe 4v. Block with aluminum fined valve covers but nothing else it had a price on it for 1200:00 dalars I said I don't have that kind of money but it shure is pretty it was complet it had a scoop in the air cleaner I had no idea what it was he asked me how much money i had I was 19 years old I had 400:00 dalars at home he said you go get it and hury back and you can have it I just want it gone and this was in 1979 I did but didn't really want to spend all my money and wish I had said I only had 300:00 any way I went back gave him the money and he put it in my trunk on some boards and y had air shocks he aired them up I went to my uncle's to use his back hoe to get it out and all this time I'm thinking wat did I just do I wasn't really happy but I checked it out and found out it was a 1969 428 scj. Out of a shaker mustang even had the correct exzost manifolds wat a deal and I still have it
There was a time when FE blocks were readily available from salvage yards. Many years of racing, truck pulls, etc., have really reduced available inventory for classic car guys. Nice deal on this one, I hope this block can be saved for rebuild. Looking forward to the head install coming up!
Yes I guess those salvage yard days are over. Not too many good parts left if any. Just received the heads! Excited to put them on
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Don't forget to torque the heads bolts, our Yankee neighbor said he has built over a 1000 engines yet he didn't know about dog and.....etc
was the block salvageable?
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In the late 1970's, the service replacement engine blocks for the 428 were 391 truck engine blocks, bored out and the external oil line hole had a plug put in it. That's the way they came from Ford. A friend bought a 1970 428 police car at a government auction. It had the cast iron Cobra Jet intake manifold, anti-pump up hydraulic lifters with adjustable rocker arms. The police engines had the GT camshaft, but unlike the CJ, the crankshaft gear did not retard the camshaft 8 degrees. The CJ crankshaft gear retards the camshaft. The police crank gear has the timing mark in line with a gear tooth, while the CJ gear has the mark between gear teeth.
Some 428s came in thunderbirds as thunderjet 428, they were basically police interceptor style engines but were 428s instead of 390s. Still a great engine. Most a
FE blocks say 352 on the side of the block. A 352 will not allow overbore to 428 cubes.
I remember see so many 428s in Tbird s. Buddy of mine had one in his Tbird
Great video Omar! You are SO right about the confusing world of FE motors. Takes a lot of research at times to know what you have.
Very nice find, you got a great deal.
The crankshaft is worth more than what you paid.
I have a new set of Racetech pistons for a 4.155 bore.
I would give someone a deal.
If you block would clean up, would be nice.
Take care, Ed.
I will keep you in mind and see how well this block cleans up!
What a find
Great info about these engines and you know your stuff.
Keep em coming
I've been a mechanic for 55 years I did heads for 20 years along with other parts and I also used to go to swap meets and sell parts not flea markets! You probably have truck heads or the truck top end the exhaust manifolds are car or truck because they're flat if you just have two bolts on the heads I can't see through the grease on each Port then you got a standard head look at the valves they're a little bit bigger on 428 and there's multiple exhaust holes on the head cuz I've had Cobra Jet manifolds for 390 and the manifolds are more round like a pipe and they're bent downward instead of out somebody could have sold the 428 top end or the heads? But you have regular 390 or so heads they heads aren't covered yet the block is hard to say without hot tanking it cuz there's too much crap on it I had my own hot tank once everything's hot tanked you can expect to see everything but like I say you can put a 428 crank in a 390 block but you also have to look at what the Pistons were because they are flat and not dished most Cobra Jets have only two valve relief some of them have only one it depends on the compression but after you've hot tanked all that crap you'll know but if you have two bolt holes on the heads those are standard 390 or 428 standard then look at the T-bird when it had a 428 the T-bird did not have Cobra Jet Parts on it so you could have a T-Bird motor you could have a Mercury motor cuz Mercury did not have Cobra Jet top end
A 428 eh, I got a story that will break your heart! Back in 2010 was having income problems and couldn't keep up monthly payments on my storage unit and ended up losing the whole thing. In that storage unit was a complete 1965 427FE top oiler with medium riser heads, Ouch!
I bought it from my dad when he built another one to swap it out of his F250, just time he decided to try a different setup of cam and heads! Mine had been in his truck since 1977 and was still a runner!
I subscribed to watch your project come along, should be fun!
Oh mannn, someone got a good find! That sucks. Maybe someday you’ll find another!
Oh right on you have a 64 Galaxie! I had a 64 XL 500, blew up several 390's 410's, finally went to a medium riser 427 with a baby c6 and what a difference , it used to snap drivers side engine mounts frequently . Used to collect FE engine parts , still have a couple 427 side oilers waiting to find a nice comet or a fairlane to put one in.
I’m building a 428 for the galaxie so I guess we’ll see how many mounts it will break haha
Congratulations. I have built several of these engines. I used to own a 1968 GT500KR. Presently I have a 452 cu. in Shelby aluminum blocked FE with Edelbrock heads. It has a street roller cam, fuel injection and an stack intake system. The engine made 550 hp and 600 lb.ft of torque. It is in my 1968 fastback. It has run a best of 7.18 sec in the eight mile (about 11.3 quarter mile). If you want any advice on cam selection or head selection, I'd be happy to help. I have a new solid flat tappet cam you can have if you pay the shipping. 248/256 6.10/6.20 on a 110 LCA. I also have a used street roller solid cam with similar specs if you want it. I recommend the TFS heads, if it's in your budget. If you wish to contact me, let me know.
turbo32coupe, I just bought a 1967 Fairlane GTA convertible with a C8ME-A engine, which tells me it is not numbers matching. Is there any fast way to confirm it's at least a 390?
@@brianboyle3998 Ford didn't put the 352 in the Fairlane, so you have a 390 most likely. I have a used 428 crank which would make it a 410 if its a 352. If you pull the pan, look at the crank. The 390 crank will say 2U or 2UA
@@turbo32coupe Thank you.
Glad to find another FE enthusiast, you got me glued my seat. A built FE is worth the blood sweat tears a-z. Just ask my 390 🏁
Haha I love the FE. Best engine in my opinion. I think it’s the most versatile engine out there.
428 cobra jet pistons say 428 SUPER on them. Even the regular CJ. The CJ also had 13/32 rod bolts a bit bigger than other FE rods. 428 used a high volume water pump so that would have value.
Good find! Many years ago we got an FE core from a customer that bought a 390. As soon as I saw the hatchet spacer I told the core guys not to tear it down. Turned out to be a ‘70 SCJ.
Wow very cool!
Great video. I enjoyed the engine archeology. Look forward to the upcoming shows.
Thanks bob!
Yes you got it right.. 4 bolts to each port on the heads.. I had a 68 1/2 ford mustang fastback 428 cobra jet with the top loader 4 speed as my 1st car at the age of 16 (0: Those 4 bolts with headers are a nightmare to put in... And that clutch was hard to hold down also... It was a fun car... I guy i sold it to 40 years ago still has it.. But he has a 351 Cleveland in it now... I did have problems with cracking heads and losing head gaskets so water got into the block.. It did this twice to me... Simple fast cars to work on.. This stuff they make now is total crap... Every time a modern car goes to hell on me... I put old school stuff from older cars,,,engines and wiring to them... So I never have to put up with all these chips and sensors any more... It's a racket to just steal all your cash...
I don't know the casting number of them but I had a set of 16 bolt exhaust heads from my 67 Fairlane GTa in my dad's barn because I was running some rebuilt police T bird heads that had smaller chambers at the time. Long story short my step brother pitched my heads on his load of scrap metal. I was not a happy camper! And you are right those FE cast intakes can give you a hernia.
An edelbroc top end and the right cam would make it a great street beast ! I love the FE motors , cut the weight and they are perfect ! Torque and power with decent fuel milage .
I would put some elbow grease into that 428 and make it a better performer than a stock CobraJet...
Yes I’ve got the Edelbrock heads coming. Next video will be the install!
There’s far better options than edelbrock heads for the same prices
Torque and power, yes! Decent fuel mileage, what are you smoking! I'm old enough I put gas in them! Like to see someone convert one to modern fuel injection and crank triggered ignition! The external dimensions and weight weren't bad if you ditch that 80lb intake for aluminum! Think the Cobra jets had 440 ft pounds of Torque, and the 335 horsepower rating was bs! 400hp is much more believable!
@@markmccarty9793 I have a 54 ford cp , 10 over 390 , with 60 over 352 pistons , rods and crank , flat top pistons , 292 duration , 512 lift hyd cam , intercepter heads , aluminum intake and a 750 on it , backed by a toploader and a 9 inch with 355 gears i get 27 mpg open highway . Loves to run about 80 mph lol
I have a good set of 428 cobra jet heads from a 69 Torino GT (fastback), yes has the 16 bolt pattern on the exhaust. And I absolutely know that to be true because I've had them since they were removed from the car in 1975. Replaced it with a 427 side oiler.
Just putting together a new engine for my sons 67 Galaxie. Was a C scratch block block we put in 16 years ago. made it 70k miles, and an intke water leak hydro locked it and bent a rod. The one going in as a 434c.i. bored, and stroked (4.125 steel crank) 360 block, with billet cross bolted mains, roller cam, and ported Edlebrock heads. Love the FE's, and the small blocks for that matter. Nice score on the block. I bet it can be saved. Cheers, Mike
Wow would love to try out a stroked FE I bet it just has gobs of torque. If I can get 70k miles of fun out of my 428 I think that’s worth it haha
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Yes lots of torque, and that's what you want for the street. The more common stroker crank is 4.25, which gives you around 445ci. Makes for a real stump puller.
I don't know much about Ford engines but I would have bought this myself. My mechanic would love it. I hope you have a Happy Birthday. Picking up one of those old intakes is like picking up an overweight bulldog. Lol.
Thanks William! I agree, you’ve got to watch your back with these lol
Happy Birthday!! You have some cool cars and parts there. Some FE heads are better than others. That book you have is a good one for sure. Helps identify just about everything for those engines. The guy that wrote it is the FE guru.
Appreciate it! Yes the book is great and I agree, Barry is the FE Master
I am an old school Ford man for those who do not know this every 428 on the right side of the freeze out plug in the middle has a stamp for 428 check it out see if I'm right. Ford a better idea💡
Also the 428 head's have a taller intake port. I got some 390gt head's with the 16 bolt holes.
I had set of cross bolt FE heads with intake.....Believe it or not someone stoled them along with all my high performance parts...They also cleaned out all of my flathead parts...That was good deal on any 428....
Redemption! And happy FE birthday Omar!
That was a nice find 👌 assess the block and who knows? It could be a great engine for your Mustang project. Much cooler than the coyote. There are some good fuel injection options for the Ford FE now to help keep these great old engines running reliability. Enjoy your birthday 🥳
Thanks Nigel. Very true, if this block can be saved a 445 would be pretty awesome in the mustang
I had a 1968 and a half Mustang Fastback,A long time ago now.
At the time I bought the car (1985)
I had no idea of what it was, except that it was a Fastback and it had a Big Block which I initially thought was a 390.
The engine was no good,the heads had been taken off and left on the ground under the car,Water had gotten into the block and it had 3 cracked pistons,and at least 2 hairline cracks in the block.. yeah they were big cracks I could see.
Anyway I did salvage the crankshaft, camshaft, and the heads...I traded those parts and $100 for a running 428 from a Thunderbird and put that in the Mustang,I drove it until 1997-98...I did learn the car was in fact a 68 1/2 Cobrajet but I didn't have the money or space to restore it properly,and I sold it.
The 428 I was running didn't perform as well as the original 428 Cobrajet but she was no slouch either,I like those 428s
Oh mannn, I’ve heard lots of stories where people sell their cars and later regretted it. But I guess back then they weren’t that valuable as they are now
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie back in the 80s you could still find 60s 70s Mustangs,Camaros,Chargers for 3k-5k still running...of course they were pretty beat up and nothing special or rare but they were still fun.
And back then,not alot of research was being done on Muscle Cars except the high-end well known models.
And so cars like my 68 and 1/2 sort of slipped through the cracks...I had never heard of one..the only Factory Big Block Mustangs I had ever seen were the 67-68 390 cars.
Good luck with your Mustang!!
That's pretty much my reaction every time I pick up one of those stock intakes too.
Lol have to watch my back with these
Yes 85 lbs. Try having to lift one out over the fenders or front support. I had heard that ford recommends a cherry picker to pull them. I never did but it sounds like the way to go. Going to an aluminum intake is 50lbs less right there. Performance gain and less weight off of that pathetic spindly ford front suspension
I have 68 coup I put a 428 out of a mercury marquis and it runs like a scalded dog it is a tight fit with top loader 4 speed and borgusen power steering and long tube headers.
Haha man I hope mine runs like that. Excited to start up the 428 build
I’m going to guess what you have there is a 4 brl truck engine. A 428/4V engine. I once drove a 3,000 gal 6 wheel F750 oil tanker, that was powered by a 428/4V, with a low hole 5 speed with 2 speed rear with 5:88 posi, that was to help deliver heating oil in bad weather. As it’s illegal for tire chains on oil trucks. The owner of the fleet had 4 or these, the others were just like, but had Cat V8 diesel, that would hold speed on hills, but took longer to get up to. With headers and short dual exhaust they sounded awesome! Especially with a small load split shifting at full throttle! Side by side with the Cat Diesel it was no contest 0-65! That was top speed in the diesel, but the gas could get over 75, that was at 4,400 rpm red line. The diesel ran for 300,000 miles easily between rebuilding, but the 428 gas was lucky to get 160,000 on a original, but mine never used any oil and ran for 175,000, before it developed a rod knock.
Years ago I went to look at a 390 for one of my trucks. Got to the guy’s farm and it was literally sitting upside down in a pig pen. Can’t even remember his asking price but I turned to the seller and said “I’ll give you fifty bucks”. He started squealing so I turned and walked towards my truck. Dude must have needed cash cause I got it for fifty. Tore it down and it had a set of 428 SCJ connecting rods - apparently from the factory. Sold them at a swap meet for good coin. It’s like the old box of chocolates. You never know what you’ll get.
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Haha wow that’s awesome. I’m waiting for my turn to find a 427! Maybe someday I’ll come across one
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Yep. Found one of those too. Older guy. Ford hoarder. Had a whole field full of old Fords - mostly convertibles, wasting away. Went to look at the 427 side-oiler bare block he had for sale. It was indeed a side-oiler but it was already marked .030 over and was lying on the ground out in the open. Took a pass on it. At $750.00 I probably should have taken a chance. This was about thirty years ago. Can’t buy ‘em all, I guess.
Happy Birthday bro, good things happen to good ppl n ur good ppl man. Thank u for putting out these vids with so much great info. East coast fan
Haha appreciate it Lewis. Thanks !
I have a 428 that has a heavy duty block with the reinforced main bearing webbing and they are even thicker than the ones in this video. There are plenty of them out there that were service/replacement blocks and they have no vin numbers like mine. It's a 1974 D4TE block with a mirror image 105 on the front. It's bored .030 over 428 standard bore size and it never even gets close to overheating. It's absolutely impossible to know my engine is a 428 by external examination as with lots of these FEs today since they've got so many mixed up parts in them.
My dad found a 428 block like this. He built it up to lots of HP. Filled the block water jackets filled in. Big power bored stroked blueprinted 428 was crazy power 1200 plus HP on bottle
Great video ! I recognize myself with engines that comes Into my workshop
Mostly Chrysler but sometimes other makes.
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I love your channel! I have a 63.5 Galaxie and would love a 427 SOHC...
I've been on the hunt for a 64 Galaxie 2 door club sedan. Not as desirable as the fastback, but I like that oddball stuff.
Keep up the great content!
Very interesting 👌 THANKS FOR KEEPING THEM GREAT FORD'S GOING 🙂
Back in the day, early 80's, a friend of mine from school wrecked his mustang.
I asked to buy the 428 CJ from him. We pulled the motor and loaded it into my truck.
I paid $385 for everything from the fan to the bell housing, including the shaker hood scoop.
I put the motor in my 76 Ford 4x4 truck, lifted with 37" tires.
Had the hood scoop stashed in the barn at my parents house.
They rented the barn out to some people and it was stolen.
The 360 truck engines also have the 3 fingered webbings..... mostly... variations as you said.
The 1965 and 1966 352 and 390's were put into production too early. Many had to have the cylinders worked, to make the rings seat when they were new. Chevy ran into the same problem and introduced the 402, a bored out 396. The BBC's wouldn't seat the rings. Most of the 1970 454 had to be worked over at the dealer.
I had to buy that book because the great info you shared. Thanks for looking out for the rest of us.
It’s a great resource, I’m also going to buy Jay Browns Great intake Comparo. He dyno tested many intakes and other parts on the ford fe
As a solíd GM guy, I do love FE Ford's! Thing is when you look at this greasy mess and that intake, etc, they just don't look like much of a performance engine at first. I really like what this Robotnik guy here in Michigan has done for the FE world. Also love hearing those big Galaxies and Starliners running 8.90s carrying the front wheels 330ft while banging gears!
Haha man that’s awesome. I love seeing these big cars going down the track as well. I almost bought a starliner if it wasn’t for my trailer messing up on me I would’ve had it!
As a performance engine, the standard FE was actually pathetic in comparison to its BB and even some SB competition. Only the rare "special" versions (406, 427, and SOHC) made competitive power. I worked at a performance engine shop that built them all but only raced Fords ourselves for years. Our own 351C engines were much more race worthy than our 428 CJ ever could hope to be. In my opinion, the 429 - 460 Ford BB is the best standard production BB engine of them all for the 60-70's era for power potential. Same for the 351C compared to the other SB's of the era.
@@scottb8175 I loved and hated the 390 based FE I had in my 67 Fairlane GT and agree with everything you said. I made mine run good and won some street races but for what I spent and did I would have been better off going to something different. But it was all fun.
@@bw3506 One thing the FE had over just about all other engines was how easy they were to work on for the average shade tree mechanic. Besides the fact most parts interchanged, distributor is in the front, the damper was a non-interference fit, one piece oil pan gasket w/o separate end seals, rods had full floating wrist pins held with snap rings, lifters came out with the heads in place, no special bolts or installation procedures, most everything was accessible with basic tools, especially once the engine was out of the car. No special tools really needed at all. The only tricky item to install was the rear main cap side seals.
@@scottb8175 Yep you definitely know them! I was just a pup when I started messing with them but I got an education thrashing on it. I once had a guy arguing with me how there was no way I was doing a cam change without pulling the intake. Honestly I had forgotten about the flat pan rail on them. My big Mopars have that too.
C8OE-N heads are also drilled and tapped for smog tubes.
In some older tech literature on the 428 it was stated that the crank IDs reveal what type of 428 you have: A 1U means 66-70 Q or P- code 345hp; 1UA denotes a CJ and the 1UB means SCJ ...... Is that true? Also you had different balancing specs from Ford for each type and THEN another set of specs depending on whether you had 4-SP or C-6. That means SIX different weight specs for all 428s. Piston weights varied between 682 to 712 grams. It was a jungle and also the main reason why they had consistent failure on the #5 main bearing after parts swapping by people who did not know what they were doing. Severe vibrations. (unless the engine had been dynamically balanced.) Which most were not. Most were built in your home garage and then on to the boulevard. The ´67 block I have was damaged this way. A 4sp was installed in the car and the flywheel was a zero balance unit off of a 390 engine. It was rebuilt each time and no one had a clue as to why it failed every time.
Look in the middle freeze plug you will also see it in the bottom casting of the jacket
If you’re checking the block, check the casting and also the stamping number on the block.
What is the bore, 4.13" or 4.05"? It could be a 410. Check that book you referenced and it tells you how to check the cylinder casting thickness using a drill bit as a go / no go gauge after pulling the freeze plugs. If it's a 410 with the thick cylinder castings it could be over bored 0.080 and now you have a standard 428.
428CJ rods use a 19/32" nut. Standard FE rods use a 9/16" nut.
I think the "GT" and Police Interceptor 390/428 had bigger rod bolts than the standard 390/428 rods as well. I also seem to remember the SCJ 428 got different rods than the standard CJ, too. Maybe even the 427 side-oiler's "Le-Mans" cap screw rods? I know when my boss was racing his 69 428 SCJ, his engine had the cap screw rods in it.
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I recommend getting a truck mounted engine hoist, you can get them second hand for $100 or less. It makes losing and unloading so much easy. It also folds out of the way when not in use.
That would be really sweet, I’ll have to look into it!
First-time viewer, great video, a good explanation for us non-auto guys, and Happy Birthday, Omar
Appreciate it thank you!
The FE block 352; 360; 390; 409; 427; 428 are all the same block just bored and stroked for cubic inch display.
That's an authentic 428-CJ block with the reinforced center main webs (they also had higher nickel content) and a 1U crank. The heads are not CJ, which have 16 cap screws on the exhausts
I have the correct 1UA crank in my SCJ with "hatchet spacer" and heavy dampener. The 428-SCJ also differs from the CJ by using the stronger 427 "LeMans" capscrew rods.
Good information To Know & I'm Happy you Got A Good FE ,Block To Rebuild 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
For 200 you did well. Good cores are getting harder to find and I'd bet it'll clean up fine.
Yes I think for $200 it was a good gamble. I think it can be saved
There is another trick for positive identification as a 428. If you pull the freeze plugs 428 is cast into the block, I just can't recall the exact freeze plug location. Use a strong flashlight. I know for sure this is true on 1969 428CJ blocks but can't say for sure that it applies to all of them. Many years ago I was also on the hunt for a 428 and it is harder than it might seem at first. Good luck with your projects.
Yes I’ve seen that 428 cast in the rear water passage. I’ve also heard of a certain size drill bit fitting In between the cylinders.
Right side middle freeze plug on my 2
I owned a 69 torino scj drag pack special. Had factory Lemans rods, the whole package.
I would say by looking at the pistons that its a smog engine
I have a orderd 1971 LTD with a 429 4bbl not shure if its a cobra.it has factory bucket seats .auto shifter on floor. Power disc brakes and a 3.25 rearend.every one i talked has hurd of this package but never seen one.
You can look through the deck inside the water jacket and see “428“ down in the bottom of the water jacket.
You have got a 428 p.I. Block, and crank, 390 rods,heads intake and exhaust manifolds.etc.
Always keep a positive mind set. Words of wisdom. Thank you.
Thanks Larry!
I am not an FE expert by any means but one look at the exhaust manifolds points to an ordinary 428. True Cobra Jet exhausts resemble a shorty style header. The valve covers should have been chromed, but of course they could have been removed. My guess, based on the strengthened block, is that it's police engine.
Read that police interceptor 428’s had aluminum intakes
@@shonbratton1906 Did not know that. Considering the age of this engine we don't know what it came with from the factory. It's odd that it looks to be a CJ block with standard 428 intake, heads and exhaust. From what I have read the CJ and police blocks were the same design.
I had a 68 PI 428 and it had 6 exhaust bolt heads (same pattern as a GT390), an iron intake, and a FoMoCo tagged Holley 735 cfm 4-barrel. Not all 428 CJ's had chrome valve covers, either. I bought a one owner 70 R-code 428 4-spd Mach 1 and it had painted valve covers, and plain steel wheels with standard 70 Mustang hub caps.
@@scottb8175 What style were the exhaust manifolds on your PI 428? From what I remember the 390GT had standard, log type exhaust manifolds. My first car was a 69 LTD with a 2bbl 390. It ran on regular gas which in retrospect was one of Fords better idea's.
@@briansearles4473 The manifold bolt pattern was different, at least that is what I remember. The heads had 14 exhaust manifold bolt holes vs. 8 for the standard versions. Some ports of the manifolds used the horizontal holes vs. the standard versions that used only vertical pairs of bolts accross each exhaust port. The "GT" style heads only were offered in 390's in Mustangs, Cougars, Fairlanes, and Comets, and the 428 PI. My guess was that the extra holes were because there wasn't enough room around the shock towers to use the standard bolt pattern in the narrower body cars. I know the 67 Shelby GT500 used the 428 PI with GT heads - a friend had one.
What you have appears to be a 428 CJ shortblock with regular 390 passenger car heads and 390 S code intake. If it still has the original camshaft, pull it out and get the part number off it (they are the same cam as the 390 GT engines), and also 428 CJ's had an oddball connecting rod bolt size, bigger than the normal 3/8" size......I want to say 13/32" inch??...if thats the case, then it would indeed be a 428 CJ shortblock, regardless of what vehicle it was intended for.
Either way, good score for 200 bones!
Good info, I’ll be taking it apart and cleaning it up. See if the machine shop can fix it
IMHO it's still a cool engine and a great find!!! Good for you.
I Just Subscribed if you look in the water Jackets. The number 428 is cast into the block. On both sides below the center freeze plugs. and at the very back of the water jacket thru the gap in the mating surface. We have a 67 Q code T Bird. 428 car. A Mirror 106 casting 390 block can often safely be bored to a 428.
Yes I’ve heard of the 428 stamp. I’ve also read about fitting a certain sized drill bit in between the cylinders. I’ll have to take a look and see if this block has it. And I think those mirror blocks are from trucks if I remember correctly
1U crank is for a full size car(Galaxie Police) . 1UB is CJ 1UA SCJ
Love these videos Omar. Holy Cow is right! That intake is crazy heavy bro. BTW my Edelbrock FE heads shipped! Ya baby. BOOM!
Hahaha yes mine shipped too!! Finally
Take heads and pistons from 460 and intall onto that. Makes 500hp. Without any other mods. An Old drag racer trick that I was clued in about a few yrs back
looks like I had one and didn't know what I had put it in a 1960 T-Bird Convertible and sold it but this was back in 1996
Hey bud happy birthday to you and keep on trucking used to into three 90s back in the day the ones with the two Bolt engine mounts castings had a 66 two-door post Fairlane and a 67 Ranchero used to blow the doors off the kids in the Camaros anyways those intake manifolds are a little heavy aren't they want to know a trick I'm sure you already know those cast iron intake weighs 75 lb aluminum 18 lb besides better breathing raises the front of the car up about a half an inch okay have a good one and again happy birthday enjoy listening to you keep up the good work
Appreciate it! Haha that’s cool I would love to own a 67 ranchero. I agree, the aluminum intake is a good upgrade. But I don’t mind them on pick ups!
That's a lot of good information. 60s Fords are famous for being puzzles too, I guess. LOL. Weren't some of the Mercs made with CJs and even some Cougars with SCJ too? Just curious what your HP target is on the build you've working. I've not kept up but I can remember guys getting 550 - 600HP without getting crazy. Very streetable. Good torque and didn't need to be revved to drive fast.
Hey John, yes lots of mercuries came with the CJ engine. I know where there’s a 68-69 mercury cyclone with a CJ but owner won’t really sell it haha. I’m shouting for 500hp but realistically end up around 400hp. I might get it dynoed!
Yep, Mercury used the same engines as the Ford line did. I had a 1970 Cougar Eliminator with a 428 SCJ.
also looks like 352 the correct heads and valve covers and the block u have c7 67 the parts c8 parts from 68
Look on the piston connecting rod's if it has SUPER in raised letters you got a 428 super cobra jet
Some of the big Merc's got reinforced blocks anywhere from 390 up. Could be one of those 🙃
Clean it up and see if it'll sleeve OK on that rusty cylinder ... Then you can make a decision on what bore to take it to 😁
Installing that manifold in the vehicle is a nut buster.
I learned to drive stick in my brothers 428CJ. That car had balls.
The log manifolds and heads say it all . But it's still a nice 428 core
my 69 mach 1 was a 428 4spd car with 430 gears,,its a cj...sad it did not have it when i got it,,,had a junk oil burning 427 out of a auto matic ,,well it had no pilot bearing in it..trashed the toploader....i traded my 66 polara 500 ragtop for it in 77...now has a 302 with a c4 in it now,,,,i like it better that way
Back in my day we used to say boys build small block chevys and men built big block Fords because they can lift the intake manifold, notice the notches in the middle of the pistons to push the valve back in straight when it flotes out instead bending it
Haha yep these intakes are heavy. Didn’t know that about the notches
Haha yep these intakes are heavy. Didn’t know that about the notches
Had the exact same motor in my 1968 Ford Galaxie XL
Had a complete engine but the heads were off
Ended up selling the heads for 800 a pop just the way they were needing rebuilt
These engine have a good power
Very cool, would love to find some CJ heads
I worked for guy that built fraudulent clones of these and that's not all he did. We parted ways because of the crooked things he did but I learned alot
nice find and great price. building an FE myself currently
Mine had 4 bolt holes for each exhaust port. 32 header bolts.
Happy birthday! Another great video !!
Appreciate it!
I know the Cobra Jet Clevelands have XXX stamped on the block. I have no idea about the FE blocks. It’s crazy how hard FE Ford blocks/heads are to tell apart. And just how many different factory options Ford V8’s came with from about 1964 to 1971.
The era of really confusing branches of the FE family started in 1961, with the solid lifter only high-performance 390's. The early ones most people have forgotten about - the 61-62 HP 390, 62-63.5 406, 63.5-64 427 Top-Oiler. the Mercury 410....
It was also an option on the 69 Fairlane. My dad went for the 302 much to my teenage dismay.
Haha yes. I will say the 302 in my 68 Torino runs really smooth
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Oh it had lots of guts. The old man seldom let me drive it because he knew it was pretty fast and I would drive the hell out of it.............which I did when I got the chance. It was no 428 but still, pretty quick.
Great Video, great accuracy, Happy Birthday Brother!
Thanks appreciate it!
It doesn't matter too much anymore if it's not a 428 Cobra Jet. All Fe blocks are very well hot rodded with all the stroker kits and aftermarket parts they have available today. Even the 352 Fe can produce 600 horsepower with the stroker kit.
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I think it’s because the 428 cobra jet is a pretty good package the way it is. It has a 4.13 inch bore x 3.98 inch stroke. Versus the Ford 427 4.23 inch Bore x 3.78 Inch stroke. We all know the longer strokes make big torque and 3.98 inch is pretty big not to say it couldn’t be made longer but it just seems to be a good combination. It makes way more than 335 hp as advertised.
The thing you're doing most correctly is using Barry's almost definitive book. Nice video
I read once where Ford Called them an FE because of the mount of Iron required to build them...
Iron is a chemical element with symbol Fe (from Latin: ferrum) and atomic number 26. It is a metal that belongs to the first transition series and group 8 ...
Atomic number (Z): 26
Atomic radius: empirical: 126 pm
Oxidation states: −4, −2, −1, 0, +1, +2, +3, +4, ...
Density (near r.t.): 7.874 g/cm3
ha ha ha 😁😁
Hahaha oh man I’m having flashbacks from the chemistry classes I took in college.
Happy Birthday, Omar! And thank you.
Thanks Darryl!
Happy Birthday !!!...great find at a great price. now to decide FE in the fastback or the coyote my 2 cents is the coyote. My 17 gt runs great has the 727hp roush SC kit on it and STILL gets 28-30 mpg on the highway with the ac going. in town....well iam happy at 14 lol
Thanks Brian, dang that sounds like a lot of fun haha. An FE would be really cool but really leaning towards the coyote!
All the factory performance stuff back then came from the agricultural commercial and industrial departments , I've seen what you have mounted to pumps and generators
Very cool, I’ve heard of them being in irrigation pumps. But I would love to see one in the field, now that’s awesome
Happy birthday Omar, great deal on the block for 200 bucks! I think the block would clean up on a .030 over.
Thanks Doug! Yes it looks rough but I think it can be saved. Will be taking it to the machine shop!
Really love what your doing here, we gotta save these classics before there gone👍
Thanks!
Anytime you can get a decent FE Its a good day. Cobra Jet or not it's all good. Ford man here.
Haha very true, love getting more FE parts for the stash