Did this once, they wanted to fire me, and the district manager kept saying "you are resigning", I kept repeating, "no, i love my job (which i really did) and refuse to resign." I said that about 10 times before he finally said, "okay, you're fired." Old me is so proud of young me right now.
@@bingobertha8750 The most companies can say is if you're eligible for rehire or not when asked. You getting fired doesn't follow you around like some kind of permanent record. Getting pressured to resign robs you of unemployment. It's always better to force a company to fire you.
I was asked to "resign" or be fired. When I asked what I was being fired for, they said I mis-used equipment I had been trained on. Equipment I had never used or been trained on. They weren't thrilled when I asked to see the signed document saying that I had received training. HR manager panicked and said, you know we don't have records like that. I said, so you are going to fire me without cause? Should I start looking for an employment lawyer now...? They gave me a severance package and didn't fight me on unemployment. I hated that company.
I started a job I was still on my 90 days my boss threatened to fire or threatened to wait until my 90 days was up. I have never been fired from a job before and I was not gonna drive to the job just to get fired. Two hours a day, 60 miles a day all for 13 an hour. So I never went back.
The sad thing is not all states require reason for termination in the u.s.a in the state I grew up in you could be fired at any time for any reason wrongful termination simply isnt a thing
@@SparklingQueenLuna that hasn't been true for a couple generations now. For example, if you are part of a protected class (race, religion, ethnicity, country of origin, disability, sex) they can't fire you for being part of that class. They can't fire you for being pregnant. The reason they gave me was because they didn't want to have to pay me unemployment, but we all knew it was bogus. At a previous job, when I had been younger, they told me "You just aren't a good fit," and if I'd been wiser I would have known that I could have sued because the real reason was religious discrimination. (Boss found out I was Wiccan and told me in front of the whole department that I was going to burn in Hell. The firing happened a couple weeks later after a glowing performance review.) Now, the reason given can be as ridiculous as, "I don't like red shirts, so everyone wearing red is fired," but they have to fire everyone. The moment they say, "everyone who is wearing a red shirt is fired, except Sally and Bill," they are now facing a wrongful termination suit.
This happened to me once. I told them no I was not resigning. Came to work the next day as usual. They sent in two top people from the main office to continue telling me that I had resigned I continued to say that I did not. They then sent me an email saying we accept your resignation effective immediately. I sent them an email back saying that I had not resigned. And we went back and forth for a few hours. When they decided to call the police to escort me off the property. I called legal aid and they gave them a call. Got full unemployment and it was extended an extra 5 months. Screw that place.
It’s funny because I had a bad boss that did the opposite of this. I resigned, and told her that it was due to her bad treatment. She immediately fired me. I got my full unemployment and a couple of weeks off…
@@IVvOOvVIyou qualify for unemployment when you’re fired or laid off. You don’t qualify if you quit. The only exceptions are if you’re fired for cause and the employer can challenge your collection. Being let go at will is not being fired for cause.
I had a manager who did everything possible to make my job miserable while not firing me, in an effort to make me quit. I did and still got unemployment because the state office spoke with HR from the company I worked and concluded that I was coerced into quitting. Haha!
Your unemployment was probably cheaper than if the state sided with you to go after them, lol. You lucked out that HR's interest for the company and your interests aligned.
You didn't luck out, you got scammed. You could have gotten 100,000+ by pressing charges, thats why HR took the opportunity to make it unemployment instead.
Ditto. My coworker told me that the boss told them to harass me into quitting. Joke was on them. I don't quit and I knew they had a hard time finding qualified workers. I medicallly retired from there 10 years later
Another things is if you get suspended. They have to tell you the moment you're suspended for how long you are being suspended. They can't tell you "go home and will call you to tell you for how long" or "we'll call you when you can come in". I was suspended in a job once and they told me "we'll call you". I called the department of labor that same day and they told me I could collect because whern you are suspended, they have to give you a time frame. If not, it's considered wrongful termination. I collected for 52 weeks.
I did this, knew they wanted to fire me as the manager hated me but I just kept working until they gave me the papers, then I thanked them and they were surprised, I told them they did me a favour as I wanted to quit. They tried to backtrack and say it was illegal as I wanted to leave so they weren't firing me, told them it was too late, again thanks and walked out. Her expression turning from satisfaction to oh fck MADE MY FREAKING YEAR. Still makes me smile.
Correct. Last November it became very obvious that I was about to be let go, and I made it known to my supervisor, in writing, that I would like to resolve our issues and keep my job. During the actual meeting in which they fired me, the supervisor and HR manager kept trying to bait me into an emotional response, like they were hoping I'd tell them to shove the job because I quit. I never took the bait, even when he made a false accusation with ZERO evidence. The longer this went on, the more visibly they squirmed, and I loved every second of it. By the end, they were practically begging me to give them something: "Isn't there ANYTHING you want to say?!" And my reply remained "No, nothing I say matters because you've already made your decision." The HR lady was PISSED and it was hilarious. I walked out with my head held high, got to keep my sign-on bonus, and was hired for another job (with a much better work environment) within 2 weeks. Screw those insignificant little dipshits 😂
And no parting shots. Write: "I love my job and the company and do my very best every day see you in the morning". One day you'll be able to bring that note out in court.
Very true, I worked in an office and it was the worst place ever. I worked in billing and they canceled my Hawaiian vacation so I could fill in for a receptionist because she put in for vacation before me. We NEVER EVER have covered for a receptionist, not even for lunch break. She did this because she knew that I knew how our new billing system worked better than her and I discovered close to a million dollars was gone, just gone, in a one year period and she was afraid I would say something. I really could have cared less because I didn't like any them. So I found a new job that would let me start after I got back from Hawaii but I wasn't giving my employer 2 weeks notice. I told her I WAS going on my vacation and she told me I had to resign. This place has never paid out unemployment for anyone, ever. She had the papers all typed up. I told no, I'm not resigning, they said I HAD to, I said, no I don't. We went back and forth until she finally said I was fired, 3 hours later. I smiled a big sh*t eating grin because I knew they didn't want to pay unemployment. I already had my personal things packed up. I opened my closet, grabbed the box and left. I still had 2 weeks before my vacation so I filed for unemployment, I wasn't due to start my new job for a month. Sorry so long, but I did send an anonymous letter to the big boss with proof of all the money that was gone and also reported them for insurance fraud!!!
Also never fall for the “Well you can resign or we will terminate you” Make them terminate you. Next employer doesn’t care how or why you left the last job these days. Get that unemployment bag.
@user-ji1ks3vd9g "Wrongful termination with an explanation of what they did", if the new employer doesn't take you, then they aren't worth your time to begin with
@@adolphgracius9996This is an insane answer, anything with a clearance cares, lots of great jobs don't want people who have been fired for cause. We all ask if you are eligible for rehire, if you're not it's a flag.
@adolphgracius9996 lol becuase that makes you sound like someone that is a joy to work with. No, much more likely, you're a shi employee and tried to get your former boss on technicalities. Regardless, no my problem when I have 97 resumes for 1 opening
JUST went through this. They conveniently gave me a "2 week notice" that I was being laid off due to over-staffing and refused to give me anything in writing. I quickly realized they were trying to pitch it to HR that I had given notice. It totally backfired once I got HR involved and refused to communicate outside of email. Excellent lesson learned - always have written correspondence! If you have a verbal conversation, follow it up with an email stating what was discussed. Employees have WAY more rights than employers let on.
Dude tried to get me to resign at my job years ago. Told him if he didn’t want me there he was going to have to fire me. 10 years later I still work there. Point is he had no legal reason to fire me and knew it so he tried to get me to quit.
@@sterlingstrand1432 no, the manager was hated by the majority of the workforce. It’s a great place to work and I enjoy my co workers company and have a great boss. Sometimes people make it in to positions they shouldn’t be in and he is now gone and I’m still there making 50k a year on part time postion. Point I’m trying to make is sometimes when you are being dealt an unfair hand you just have to play it out and sometimes the flop has 3 of the 5 you need for a flush
@@powpowouchy5 In my state, unemployment is taxed at 10.3% The amount of tax is based partly on how many unemployment claims the business has against them-- which is why they want you to quit so they don't owe you a penny.
I once resigned from a job with a months notice. The boss gleefully accepted the resignation and wanted me to leave so badly (she had personal beef with me). But her bosses pulled me aside and offered me a huge raise to stay. I still didn’t take it I wanted out. But then after I quit they fired her and people told me that her making me quit was the final straw.
@@barbarahendryx809 they were going to but had a replacement plan. I was her assistant and right under her in line so I guess I was part of that plan but me quitting screwed that up.
I had my last employer fire me. They also tried to pull a fast one by suggesting they change the date of termination to April 1st. It was March 31. As it came to light, April 1st 2010 rules changed for Cobra, health insurance employees pay after termination. I told them leave it be the original date. If I hadn't done that I'd be responsible for 100% of the cost. They were responsible for over 50% of cost which came to about 750.00 per month for duration of over 1 year! Know your rights. Also had to pay my unemployment!
lol, they definitely fucked up there. They knew about the April 1 thing and probably went something like "right, so we fire them March 31st then right, and their first day without a job will be April 1 which is when the new rules enter into effect". And then they figured "oh fuck, no, it needs to actually be April 1!"
@@peep3208 Wow, I have to spell it out? Comment was Home Depot fired him over health issues and there wasn’t a damn thing they could do to keep him from collecting. Then I commented that states require a current and constant employment seeking effort in order to collect and maybe his health issues might prevent him from seeking a new job. I hope that clears it up as to my point.
@@D_Parks not necessarily, if The Home Depot requires them to be on their feet all day, and they can no longer do that, they can still search for other, suitable work. They can still collect unemployment.
Friends this is 1000% true. I once sat in a “meeting” where they intended to fire me but instead started off with a long list of wild claims which I countered point by point (shoutout to my manager who gave me warning of their shenanigans) and eventually I asked what the intent of this meeting was. Essentially they tried tooth and nail to get me to resign. No ma’am Pam. I got fired properly (for no reason, along with other colleagues as they swept the department one by one), and collected my unemployment until I found a much better placement. Don’t fall for this trap and do not get excited with the “u can’t fire me! I quit!” nonsense. They love that!
@@aprilvrsmith Massively unhelpful comment. Unless there are states where the opposite is true (where you can ONLY collect unemployment if you quit, and CANNOT collect unemployment if you get fired), then this is good advice for everyone to follow by default. If the situation in some states is more worker friendly, people can find that info if they're considering quitting. But that should be the (probably rare) exception to the rule.
@Wes Kingston Wasn't really trying to be helpful. Just was stating a fact, as in some case its actually better to quit and keep your experience on your resume. It doesn't always mean you won't get your unemployment. It's up to each and their own to do their research on their state guidelines for unemployment regarding quitting vs termination.
I work at a job once where the boss would fire you, they would tell you to your face that you are fired, but would leave you on the schedule so when you didn't show up for your assigned shift for three straight days.....they would claim you quit.
My last employer fired me, but called it an "Indefinite Suspension"....I filed for Unemployment.....was denied because I was only "Suspended". Had to file an appeal.....took 3 weeks for the hearing.....this after the first 2 weeks. They argued I wasn't terminated, only Suspended....the Judge asked when would I be returning to work.....they then said it was "Indefinite".....the Judge told them they had 3 days to put me on the schedule. When I went in to check.....I was told I'd been terminated for "No-Call / No-Show" .....I went back to Unemployment.....had to re-file....employer said it was justified.....I had to file another appeal....almost 4 weeks later, ended up in front of same Judge. She grilled them like she was homeland security, later got letter that the decision was in my favor.....got a check that covered 9 weeks of benefits pay. I milked those weekly benefits for as long as I could. What they did to me should be illegal.
I have absolutely been through this. I applied for a transfer and my boss hauled me into his office with a HR woman there (his secret mistress that wasn't so secret) and told me I had just resigned. He was pissed that I requested a transfer and wanted to make me pay. I absolutely refused to sign any papers or meet any other of his demands. They lied and said I resigned. I went higher up and he ultimately ended up getting fired. But I was put through absolute hell by him and I really hope karma gets him.
Never quit if you are being intimidated. Shut off your emotions if you can, show up, do a reasonable amount of work and collect your check until you have a backup.
True. AND... I tried changing jobs twice.. Thing was it was TAMU and the same HR all 24 years. I hadn't gone to HR originally, so I didn't realize HR was after Me. It's a long 24 year experience that began with being depicted in the University newspaper as a "Parking Nazi". The 2nd job wrote Me up for "being female". The 3rd job was way more passive aggressive, by shunning Me & denying training, promotions or appreciating the good work I did.. then yelled at Me while beating on the desk during a witnessed meeting, to attempt to Gaslight Me. Then TAMU lied and claimed it was Me that yelled. My unemployment documents are stamped COURTESY. STXCOURT Judge Sim Lake is a TAMU alumni = there was no hearing, no settlement & the clerk misfiled the AUDIO & transcript of the meeting where TAMU yelled at Me for over an hour. No Lawyer would defend My case because I refused to settle out of Court & TAMU has Public Funded TXOAG for representation. I qualified for Legal Aid but They don't help with "fee generating cases" like employment law. If anyone is a "Nazi" it's HR. 🙄
If reasonable = the least you can possibly get away with, then yea. I agree If they want you gone make them do it. If they fire you for not working fast enough then unemployment is on the table. At least in Ohio.
That’s horrible advise. Never erase emails, make copies of HR complaints, look into being able to record at work and then go to the labor rights in ur state, seek a lawyer and go to a doctor for ptsd for mental abuse. U can sure as hell get workers comp AND unemployment. I quit when I was 25 and disputed the unemployment & won. And also, stop living above ur means so u can quit. I drove a beater and had a roommate. U shldnt be having a massive car payment if u can’t even save emergency $.
Was forced to resign from a job ("Sign this or we fire you effective today" was the quote), ended up going to a lawyer about unemployment. Found out at the last minute he was talking with the corporate lawyer off the record. I dropped the guy the day before the unemployment hearing and had a cousin -- yes, he was also a real lawyer -- represent me. The corporate lawyer looked REAL surprised when we walked into the room... and I walked out with unemployment approved in under 10 minutes. :-)
An ex boss of mine said this exact thing to me. It was after being written up. My boss asked me while “writing me up”, “what’s going on? Talk to me.” I said I did feel like I belonged there anymore. Cut to next Monday they pull this on me. She said we accept you resignation. I didn’t want to resign. I tried to get my unemployment and YES they tried denying my unemployment but I filed a protest. You can talk to an unemployment rep. I explained I wasn’t trying to resign. I felt she was firing me and I didn’t have a choice. Which was true. My ex boss even went as far as contacting an ex employee to try and dig up some evidence so I wouldn’t get the unemployment. Anyways I ended up get my unemployment.
Pretty insane to me that in the US unemployment pay comes from your former employer? Or have I got that wrong? Cause I live in a place where it doesnt make sense to me why an ex-employer would care one way or another whether or not you got unemployment pay, because it wouldnt affect them whatsoever.
@@fungdark8270 always be the best employee that you can be, avoiding being fired for cause. If a company can get you to resign then the company saves on unemployment costs. If you are layed off or fired without cause you may qualify for unemployment. Me, I left w2 employment years ago and am Self-employed.
You can get UI even if you quit, if you can demonstrate a deliberately hostile work environment i.e. all your family's here and they arbitrarily transfer you to Alaska.
I was asked for my resignation some time ago and I was told that resigning would look better on my job record/resume or whatever. I was really inexperienced, so I went along with it. A year or so later, I learned about this and I was pissed. That absolute PoS. I'm quite sure he knew exactly what he was doing.
This happened to me. They said at midnight on Friday that I could be fired or come in and resign on the following Monday. While hovering over my space heater cuz I ran out of propane that Saturday night, I applied for unemployment online. I got a call Monday morning saying why did you no call/no show? I was like, you said I could be fired or resign; I choose to be fired. They tried to say I "abandoned my job" but the timing of it was what screwed them. I drew the unemployment
"if you don't come Monday, you get to choice between two choices, one that benefits you and one that doesn't!" "okay, I pick the one that benefits me" *surprised pickachu face*
I worked at a small little machine shop as a tooling engineer and one Friday afternoon, the owner sent over my supervisor to tell me that they had to cut my pay by 25% (right as Covid was starting to hit) and that I had to accept the offer right then and there or I would be forced to resign. I said I'm not signing and that I'll need the weekend to look and think it over. Next morning I get a call from my supervisor saying that he really needs me to sign that offer letter because the owner chewed him out for letting me take the letter home with me. What he didn't know is that I stayed up until 2am the night before looking up if I would still qualify for unemployment if I was forced to resign. I WROTE to him in a message that I was willing to compromise on the pay reduction and/or the hours I would be working but he WROTE back that none of that was negotiable and I either accept it or will be let go. Long story short, I got unemployment plus all of the Biden bucks, went to school online for CNC programming for free and found a kick ass job after being off for 6 months. It was the best summer of my life lol
A long time ago I worked for a big grocery chain. At the time I was a couch surfing 16 year old. I had no stable home environment. Some nights I would sleep in cars and I ended up catching pneumonia. I could not go into work and spent a couple of nights in the ER. I went through the right processes of calling in and letting my managers know the situation as well as providing documentation and proof of illness. I was fired on my next shift after I got better. They claimed they "never received the documents" which was bullshit bc I handed them in myself even though I had 100° fever. I cried and begged for another chance. I wish 16 year old me knew how much shit they could of gone in if I had actually contacted the department of labor.
My first professional job, I had to take a medical leave and when I came back they said my position was filled and my income was reduced from 18 to 15$ an hour. Now I was about to get married so I needed any money and my pride didn't matter much at this point so I said, "happy to be back" They probably expected me to quit in rage, it came back to bite them, because ever day I continued to work there I was a physical reminder to the rest of the staff that their employer doesn't give a damn about them.
My manager gave me the number for the NY Dept of Labor and I called them. The fella at the other end of the phone agreed that I was getting screwed over, but he also said that they did not do anything illegal. And you wouldnt believe this,.. 4 years later, those psychopaths begged for me to come back. (Don't enter healthcare, kids) @@jeremypresutti
I put in my resignation and next day the GM came to me said i can leave now instead of 2 weeks cause we have you covered. She refused to let me work it out. Filed for unemployment for wrongful termination. Went to phone court and judge caught her in 3 major lies. I go t back pay as well. Once a formal resignation is submitted, they can not fire you except very serious reasons. Or in MN 15 years ago it was that way.
I'm pretty sure they can "walk" you as long as they're willing to pay you for the two weeks you were willing to work. In which case, score for all parties I guess?
@@patrickwoltersen9531 I've seen that happen. Sometimes it's a risk to keep unhappy people around so it's best to have them not come in but yeah they are still considered employed and have to be paid until the date of resignation.
Unemployment Insurance isn't the company paying for something as a punishment. It's a benefit you pay for. It's part of your compensation package. A subtle change in viewpoint, but a vital one. Take the power back from employers.
It's both. You pay in and the company pays into unemployment. I worked for a company that routinely fired almost everyone with in 90 days of hire. They would lie about why they fired people to the unemployment agency. That way they didn't have to pay benefits and they didn't have to cover unemployment. AND I was mandatorily referred to them by the unemployment agency. This company knew how to game the system. I fought the former employer and won the unemployment to be able to have income while looking for work. It was 21 years ago.
@@darththeo true. But it’s part of the compensation package. Just like for most health insurance, even if completely employer funded, is part of the compensation package.
@@NickCBax I don't think it's accurate to say it's part of the compensation package because it's required by law and the premiums are paid to the government.
I always accepted the resignation ploy… one, I negotiated a 12 month severance and release of my non compete. It has worked out extremely well. As a now retired VP, I fondly look back at my successes…
Thanks for all of your helpful content Ryan! I hope more people see your content so they don't get screwed over like I was at my nightmare of a first job.
At one job my husband had, he got called on out of the blue and told, “If I didn’t like you so much, you’d already be gone.” He was stunned as he had been fixing all their mistakes of client networks and heard zero complaints. A friend of ours who was a business owner pushed us to reply in writing asking them to clarify every allegation. That way it had to go in his file. Next meeting, they “looked forward to working with him for many years to come” but had brought in a witness and refused to sign their clarifying letter. Hmm ok. So we knew he was out as soon as the busy season was over. Sure enough, he got called in on first Friday in September and told not to return Monday. BUT all our in writing work saved his unemployment, which we needed as I was starting a business. Found out later from another fired employee that trashing the employee months in advance was their standard move to avoid paying unemployment. Epilogue: the company laid off 2/3 of their people in the aftermath of the 2008 recession and got bought out.
Happened to me like this. They did a review where the things they picked at were just the tiniest things like" you didn't put a comma in this sentence, so you have terrible writing skills but when I took it to a strong writer they said well that was a matter of opinion on that"... They did a bunch of that. When they went to "fire me" they messed up and said they hired me without 50% of the skills I needed lol mmm ok so when HR called I told them that and said I expected severance because they should have better vetted my skills and not had me leave my last job if they didn't properly vet and explain that there was another 50% of the job I wasn't going to be able to do and they were not going to train me on after deciding to hire me and their leader admitted as much. I got the severance and then a bunch of ppl were laid off behind me and said they ended up with the same shinanigans... Just tell ppl you lost business instead of lying
@@jeremyhall7951 ain’t no way you’re a real person, this is objectively wrong The way people do business is unnecessarily cut throat. Especially when people are doing their job well. This isn’t slavery man
I quit one of my first jobs after being lied to for 2 years, got a promotion but no pay increase. I was working one day and my soon to be boss called me and asked if I could be there the next morning. I said yes. Finished what I was doing, and said to my boss "Today is my last day, I'll finish today out if you let me, but I'm done." "We require a 2 week notice" "I require a pay increase with a promotion." Then I turned and walked away.
@@ravens6286 I told them to get lost when I left. This was almost 2 years ago and the company still hasn’t filled the position. Best part is, about 8 months after I left, they called me and offered me $25/hr to come back. I still made more than what that came out to be so I declined and told them that if they want me back they will have to pay $30/hr and they pay benefits and 401k or for $35/hr flat. They did the $30/hr, so I went to give my 2 week notice to this boss, he asked how much. I told him and he said he would pay me $280/day to stay (I only worked maybe 5-6hrs a day). I called the old boss back and told them the offer and they said they can’t compete. My current boss actually values us and will go above and beyond to keep a good worker. I love working for these guys and I wouldn’t take it any other way.
@@actuallymario7676 2 years of $10 an hr and a promotion where the last guy (who I had more experience than) was making $20 an hr. They gave me that promotion and didn’t give me any sort of raise. Right now I’m making almost $2000 a week and from Thanksgiving until early January I’m making about $2300 a week.
I dealt with this once, at a job with certifications required for it....I was told to resign and if not they'd fire me AND then put in requests to the state agency to revoke my certification which would prevent me from getting another job in that field. So of course they contested my unemployment based on the fact that I "willingly resigned". I explained it to the arbitrator who flat out went "So you did tell him that, if he didn't sign the resignation letter that YOU wrote up? You did, eh? So he only resign under duress and threats.....you know that's illegal, right?" :D
Shit, I just realized my parents were telling me the wrong advice my entire life. They told me that HR telling people to resign is them being "kind" because being fired will reflect negatively on their resume. I just realized they've been gaslighted to think that way 😱
In fairness, it probably wasn't bad advice when they first heard it. When I started working, I had more than one boss say that early in their career, they were told that the company would not hire anybody who'd ever been fired.
@@almostfm How would they know that you've been fired? There is no permanent record and you don't have to say why you left on your resume. The employer almost definitely will not answer any questions about why you left if asked, they'll just confirm the start and end date of your employment. They don't want to get sued by you later on for hampering your future earning potential.
@@valeskavictoria1278 The last time I filled out a job app, it had a section on whether you'd ever been fired. And if you lie and get hired, if they find out, they'll fire you for that.
@@almostfm They can't find out and I have never seen that except for government jobs. The vast majority of jobs are in the private sector and do not ask that. But again, they can't find out because your former employer is not allowed to tell them that stuff.
My workplace knew better and was very kind and respectful in their handling of the situation. Corporate wanted us gone, but inhouse loved us, and so when the team was scrapped we were let go fair and square for the sole reason of another team member violating a policy, creating a strike three for the entire team, resulting in me and my fellow coworker becoming eligible for unemployment which was happily paid to us. And thank goodness too, cause I need the money.
I was wrongfully terminated from a job over something I did not even do they refused to pay my unemployment after I filed it. I got a call from an investigator asking me to describe what happened at work I told her and she said oh don't worry about it they're going to pay you and they damn sure did end up paying me. And I drew every single penny from them.
I lost like $10,000 I was supposed to get it from a job telling me to go on unemployment and then they'll bring me back in 3 months and then they denied my unemployment brought me back for one day after 3 months and fired me. I tried to fight it but this was during covid and it took nine days to get anything done. Never saw that money
Being fired for something you didn’t do is not wrongful termination. Wrongful termination is terming you in a way that violates a contract or some type of covered discrimination, which is hard to prove. If what you say is true, then you didn’t get every penny from the employer. You got it from the state. UI is funded by a tax that employers pay into for each employee. It’s serves them no purpose to deny claims or even create situations that lead to claims. For this, your story is very suspiciously, umm, bull shit.
@@thisguy7392 let me rephrase this story so it won't be bulshit for you. I picked up a pre-loaded trailer the inside load was not properly secured and it was not my job to secure the load because it's preloaded in locked. I was merging onto the highway into a curve that was moving left the load shifted and flipped the truck over not my fault. They fired me for that the safety department said it was my fault and they denied my unemployment. I got hold of the Texas Workforce Commission told them my story and in about an hour later the woman called me back and said you'll be getting your unemployment from them. I am not an attorney or I would have known the proper definition for what actually happened to me in that scenario but in my heart I felt like I was wrongfully terminated if not in the legal actual sense. Glad I could clear my bulshit up for you mister attorney.
I learned this the hard way. I was asked to resign and was told if I resign then I can reapply for a different position later, but if I'm terminated I can't. After I resigned, I was informed that A. everyone who resigned couldn't file for unemployment. B. I wasn't allowed to reapply at another location because I "quit". Felt so stupid, but I was only 21 at the time. :|
You absolutely can reapply at another location if you resign. In fact, usually getting fired prevents you from being able to be rehired by the same corporation, as they'll usually blacklist you.
This does happen. I had a higher manager take over a store that just stopped scheduling me hours. When I walked in she said "You may leave." She absolutely refused to say I was terminated or fired or anything (and I pressed her hard). All she would say is "You may leave." If I had wanted to fight, I could have, but it was just 1 or 3 part time jobs I was working at the time so I was glad to be rid of it.
I had a retail store manager who told me that if I didn't resign from my position, he would make my work life a living hell ! I was told to think about it during my lunch hour . I called the unemployment office and gave them specific details of the conversation, including names, times, and locations ! I went back after lunch and resigned ! I was paid unemployment ! The manager was fired a few months later for violation of store policies !
I had a similar situation happen in 2020. I was hired for a temporary position, knowing my job would be irrelevant after August. However, I knew that if I resigned as soon as my job was done, I wouldn’t get anything from unemployment and the COVID stimulus package. So I just kept showing up for another month until they decided to let me go. This kept me financially stable until I found another job, whereas if I quit, I wouldn’t have been able to afford rent for a couple of months. Don’t quit unless you have another job lined up. Unemployment benefits could end up being the only thing keeping you afloat if you haven’t already signed on with another company.
Thank you for this, I've been locking horns with my current manager for like a year now. Even though nothing hes done has ever stuck, I'm concerned that he may try something like this. Knowledge really is power sometimes.
I said this once. I had just taken over a department and an employee we had been having some issues with said she wanted a raise so she asked for a meeting. In the meeting she placed her resignation letter on my desk. She then said she had a better offer elsewhere and if I couldn't match or beat it, she was leaving. I stood up, picked up the letter and said, "I accept your resignation; you will be missed."
Tried this one time. The boss cut my hours to 2 hours a day. During those hours I had to sit through constant lectures and interrogations on why I used the word “no” in a phone call. Did I understand how damaging that negativity was to the company? Did I sign the employee commitment to stay away from negative speech at the company? Did I understand what I signed? Did I understand the importance of the contract and it’s importance to the company? Was I lying when I signed it? Did I wake up that morning decide to hurt the company by using this negative speech on the phone? We’re literally talking about saying, “no, I’m sorry we don’t have any appointments today, but I can give you our first available.” Did I mention where the lecherous, old, boss booked us a single room with only a king sized bed for an out of town business trip???🤬🤬🤬
@@MichiaMakes I was suggesting looking into recovering something on the grounds of Labor and employment violations in your state according to your state law code as a first step, but I imagine this boss already knew what he could get away with on scheduling. The other potential crime was sexual harassment or something like conspiracy to commit a sexual crime, if this could be happening more frequently or involving more people than you know about personally.
Where I am, there is a minimum requirement of 4 hours. So that move alone was probably illegal. But booking a single for you both? Talk about a fat lawsuit for sexual harassment.
@@firestarterri because I was out of town and we had driven in his car, I was forced to sleep in the bed with him. At one point he climbed on top of me stating he wasn’t well and needed to do this to stay warm. He was much larger than I. I ended quitting after realizing he punishes females into quitting.
Never resign. Make them fire you. I had a university president try this BS on me when he was firing every single director and VP at the university because he wanted to "run it like a business", which entailed bringing his corporate cronies (from Pepsi!) in. Of course, if he laid everyone off, the university would be paying a TON of unemployment, so he tried to get as many people to resign as possible. He was so sleazy, and the massive brain-drain that resulted from him laying off so many knowledge workers at once damaged the university in a way that it STILL hasn't recovered from.
@@readyfuels17 Did you miss the part about the University suffering MASSIVELY for over a decade since the departure of all the knowledge workers? The people who were let get were not C-suite executive equivalents; it was the Directors of Admissions, the Director of Operations, the Registrar, the Director of Financial Aid, the Director of IT, the VP of Enrollment Services, the VP of Student Life. It was all the people who know how the computer systems run and how to navigate the VERY complicated Federal Financial Aid system and the people who find, admit, and help onboard the students for the next class. Even now, more than 11 YEARS since that fateful event, the University hasn't recovered. Its class sizes are smaller, it had to end two academic programs because of lack of enrollment, and its tuition has STILL increased every year. I'd bet you don't know a god damn thing about running ANY part of a University. You're just yet another person who read something somewhere and now THINKS you're an expert, even though you are FAR to the left on the Dunning-Kruger Curve.
I made this mistake once. I was working in a country where the employer needs to prove that you repeated the same malfeasance 3 times. I didn’t realize until about a week later why they had me sign a resignation paper. I was so confused at the time.
Something I've come to learn growing up, is the "have it in writing" portion. When it comes to matters especially concerning money, not just business, have everything in writing, every time, no exceptions. Even if you think they're your friend, anything short of family gives you 0 right to remotely think you shouldn't have it in writing. And honestly, for some people, even being family isn't enough. Note: This is coming from somebody with family outside of the U.S.A. who had to have this drilled into my head. People in the U.S.A. care about what's in writing, and what is legally binding. If they're your friend, they will put it in writing. If they aren't your friend, they won't, or they'll try something else, and it absolutely sucks. In modern day America, your "word" has little more meaning than how far you can throw a rock.
I'm disabled and have both quit and have been fired from a few employers. I didn't know my rights and quite frankly would never have the money to pursue a lawsuit. Sometimes I still have a defense mechanism that convinces me people want me to resign. At least now I know that I am allowed to ask for more support and can fight my own defeatist instincts. Wrongful termination is pretty difficult to prove. From what I understand people need to collect screenshots before they lose access to their work accounts.
There are many law offices that offer services that merely take a cut of the pot after the fact and will bill very minor if there's a loss. Always search your options even if you believe there are no options.
My sister was a drug addict who worked in the service industry being a waitress. She got caught doubling billing and she used the addict excuse so when they fired her. She got unemployment for 4 months. Another time she was late everyday for a year. Then out of nowhere they started documenting it and she got fired. Went to unemployment and because they set a precedence for that behavior of being late. Those write ups were unlawful so another time got unemployment for 6 month. They were paying her 700 a fuxking week for 6 months. And she would legit nod while taking orders.
@@Scyborg832 some lawyers will even do it completely free if you're lucky. I have a friend who is paralyzed from the neck down and his landlord tried some bullshit to kick him out so I let him know about the pro Bono disability lawyers. He ended up getting paid a few grand which for him was a huge amount.
Employee abuse lawyers are like Social Security lawyers; you don't pay them, the employers are forced to or you pay a reasonable percentage when you get paid.
A few months ago one employee started a fist fight with another during work hours, so i fired her. She said i had to fire her mentally handicapped nephew too since she was his ride. So i fried him too. He showed up to work the next day, hiding every time i walked past for about a week even though I could clearly see him from the office... He still works here to this day.
When I was fired from Ed Feks Office they fought my application for unemployment. When I attended the hearing only I showed up and they only sent the paperwork, the hearing officer considered that hearsay and I ended up getting my benefits.
A company once terminated me because the work I was hired to do never arrived to be done. They reported that I chose to quit, which caused unemployment to question the validity of my claim. Like he said, get everything in writing.
@@TheZephyExperience Well, this isn’t just about what others think of you. For matters like these, it’s good if you look into it since it legally affects you.
When I was 16 and living independently, my job iced me out. I have many health issues that made me have to sit down and use the bathroom more frequently than other employees because he legally couldn’t fire me, he stopped scheduling me. I was forced to quit
I had a problematic employee once who angrily announced "I quit!" and left for the day. Came back the next day to start working, trying to brush off the previous day's action as "of course I was joking." I told him I accepted his resignation and he didn't need to stay anymore.
I had a boss who, if he wanted to get rid of someone, he would make their work environment terrible. Take away hours, short turn arounds, be passive aggressive. Then when you went to him to complain he would just push a resignation letter to you.
And you keep these things documented a court can seem that behavior as functionally during you with an attempt to evade legality questions. Courts have repeatedly held these activities to constitute termination.
It’s legally called constructive dismissal and it’s very common in the US. There are also zero laws against it and the onus is on you to prove it happened it court, however you may be eligible for unemployment benefits
I got fired from Walmart for having too many points on their system, even though they knew I had a standing Dr appointment every Monday, and assured me that if I got points for it they would take it off.5 years down the line I was fired and when I filed for unemployment they lied and said I walked out mid shift and didn't return, so they were forced to terminate me. I asked the unemployment person to check the camera, and it would show who was lying, but they wouldn't. I was denied.
@@mandarb23 truthfully you just gonna find the right person. Some older ladies and stuff will help you out so fast they are the driving back bone behind all things that work statewide. Old ladies making up for 99 useless state employees.
@@TH-cam_is_complete-total_shitold ladies and retired marines (probably other branches too, no first hand data.) They got that Civic responsibility ingrained in them.
hey... just wanted to say, like most things, denial of unemployment can be APPEALED!!! they tend to deny everyone because most people don't know that they can appeal the decision
Thank you for putting this information out we're more people will see it. Knowing the rules of unemployment is important especially for the employee and in the current financial climate.
News flash: Most employers are wise to this and won't actually fire you or accept your resignation. They'll simply keep you on the payroll and give you so few hours every week that you won't be able to keep up your current living conditions. So, you still work there, but only on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and only from 2pm-8pm
@@jimwormmaster yes but full timers have GUARANTEED hours at all the jobs ive had if you are a full timer you get 40 hours every week now if you are a part timer than they can cut your hours because you aren’t guaranteed any hours thats why i said it would be a problem for part timers but not full timers
@@Averagedre I think you’re referring to Salaried vs Hourly employees. As a salaried employee, I get the same pay regardless of if they have me work 6 hours or 60. Hourly employees can be cut back on hours to the point they are effectively unemployed.
This happened to me ! Back 4 years ago, my boss retaliated against me for speaking to the ceo of our company about how things were going. She didn’t like that, guess she got chewed out. She said I accept your resignation. I told her I wasn’t resigning but she didn’t care. Ended up getting unemployment until I found my new job, best job ever ! Then that company went out of business 😅😅
How many times in movies and TV have we heard, "you can't fire me, I quit!" Yet another fine lesson in not basing any part of your life on Hollywood. It's all emotional drivel.
Its quite common for people and companies to do things they aren't allowed to do. The trick is that if no one stops them they are effectively allowed to do it. They got away with it after all. You need to fight back when things seem unfair or suspect. They seem confident because they know they can trick you into accepting a bad deal.
My dad had his boss offer to fire him. My dad told him to go ahead, I’ll have another job at the end of the week and you’ll still be looking for another mechanic. Needless to say, he didn’t get fired 😂
I've done the opposite - one job the older (63) boss retired and they brought in a man hating feminist woman who promptly started setting ridiculous goals and writing up the men for not meeting her goals...3 writeups and you can be fired for "cause". I was 3rd on her list so it took 6 months or so for her to start in on me - I'd pared my spending/increased savings and had been taking vacation days off here and there to go on interviews, had a verbal confirmation but no written offer yet when the last hit came.. walked in on a Tuesday morning with a resignation letter typed up and signed, she came in screaming at me for not kissing her behind basically - and I mean screaming (4 letter obscenities included, horribly inappropriate in front of other coworkers), I calmly handed her my resignation. She actually got more angry, threatened she "should just fire" me instead of accepting my resignation - I just calmly said "let's see what HR thinks", and of course for just like you said they took my resignation rather than risk a potential lawsuit. I had several months of bills saved, so I wasn't panicked, and as it happens literally the next day I received the written offer from the new job. I signed and returned it and said I needed to give 2 weeks notice - so I actually got 2 weeks off between jobs, the old job had to pay me for over a week of unused vacation time, so I actually only lost like 3 days pay, which I'd more than saved up for.
What they like to say is "Hey your not working out, if I fired you it will be a black mark on your record and I will have to tell your next employer I fired you, but if you resign I will just tell them it was mutual."
Yeah I went to my nursing manager once when I was 18 and admitted to having PTSD and that I was struggling on night shift by myself and needed help. She said "Well you can quit or we'll fire you." to me and I didn't know any better. I was in such a panic because I didn't know what was going on or that it was a protected disability that they have to accommodate somehow. I wish I'd have sued the pants off of her.
Unemployment insurance doesn't depend on your employer (it's required by law and the premiums are paid to the government), but health insurance does. Which sucks. Our health insurance system is a mess. An expensive, complicated patchwork of health insurance companies, insurance policies, networks, etc., etc....
Didn't used to be that way. Once upon a time, a company offering group health insurance was a perk. You could either take it or leave it. Many companies offered it to part time workers. It was affordable. Deductibles and premiums were reasonable. Some places (and a very few some still do. My husband's job for one) covered your premium 100%. When the ACA happened all that changed. As a part time worker at my company i lost my insurance and had to go to the market place. Sky high deductible that barely covers anything. And "preventive care" being covered is a joke. You ask once simple question about an issue and they charge you for a diagnostic visit. Which of course isnt covered before deductible. And hardly any drs in my area accepted it. I went back to full time and switched back to employer subsidized insurance which is so much better. Cheaper copays, lower deductible and almost everyone accepts it in my area. Plus my employer matches contributions to my hsa.
@@dozergetscraftyBut still, you are the mercy of an insurance policy as to what gets covered and if you lose your job you lose your health insurance. It is the worst healthcare system in the industrialized world.
Had the newly minted President of the company try to pull this shit with one of my employees for absolutely no reason. I stood by my employee and coached him in this exact manner telling him to stand his ground and do not, under any circumstances, resign if he didn't want to. Even had a consultant (20 year C-Level exec) backing us up. My employee was very good at what he did, worked hard, was incredibly loyal to the company and didn't deserve to be treated like this. After six months the President was gone and my employee eventually replaced me when I left a few years later.
I had management in a union workplace try to pull this on me. Union was useless as this place broke the collective agreement every day, i kept track and let the union know and they didnt do anything. I responded to management, saying in no uncertain terms, am I resigning. They also messaged me while I was using PTO. I thought about it and decided to quit because I knew they were short staffed and I already had another job. I found out months later they are still struggling with staffing issues and more people have followed my lead. Don't threaten your workers, especially when you can't afford to lose them
I've had the opposite issue where I wanted to leave the job and the boss refused. I handed in my resignation and he threw at me and said "No, you are not going anywhere". To get paid out what I was owed I had to resign not quit or get fired but in writing with 2 to 3 weeks notice. He refused me several times, I was owed a few thousand at this point and I'd lose that money if I quit or got fired...they won't pay you a single cent. I waited a few extra months for that dude to go on holiday for that month then I handed my resignation to the new boss and got accepted and paid out. When other boss got back from holiday he was fuming mad he called to yell at me. I hung up on him and blocked every number of all the authority positions of my old job. Lol
But… they can’t just not pay you your final paycheck. Just take it up with the state, and you’ll get your check reeeeeeal quick. Now, sometimes in the most maliciously compliant way possible (the big bag of oiled pennies comes to mind) but you WILL get it.
Another thing to look out for is when you go to mediation. Depending on the state, if you agree to mediation, any issue that is supposedly resolved in mediation, you can no longer hold the company responsible for. It's difficult for me to put into words, but essentially If your company does something terrible / illegal, and they want you to go to mediation instead of getting a lawyer, if you agree, or agree to anything in that mediation, you can no longer sue the company for anything that they've done even if it was illegal. Be very careful what you agree to in mediation. There will be someone from HR there to act as a witness for the company. Not for you, for the company. My employer tried to apologize and wanted to "just put everything behind us and move forward". If I had agreed, they would no longer have been liable for any wrongdoing that took place. Then they would have been able to fire me for any reason, and I would not be able to sue them for the reason that we discussed in mediation. Luckily for me, I did my homework before approaching HR and the company director. Things worked out for me just fine. Read your local laws very carefully, and consult an attorney.
Had an employer try to play this with me...I demanded a letter of termination. I sat for 4 hours in the lobby... they threatened to call the police and have me trespassed. I said "fine. Call them". I got a letter saying I was "let go for lack of work" and given two weeks severance. I made sure I let all my coworkers know. Very calmly and professionally.
When I was on leave, my bad boss spread a rumor that I was planning on quitting. He hated me and didnt even try to hide his contempt. HR hired a temp for my position while I was gone. Luckily, a co-worker told me what was being said about me. I immediately wrote the HR rep telling him that I heard the rumor and had no intention to quit and had not even thought of doing that. I was reassured that it was a common practice. That was a cya on his part. We had had other ppl go on leave for maternity and another for a serious illness. No Temps were hired for their positions. Luckily, that bad boss moved on not long after I returned.
Same thing happened to me but I was suspended fkmkr something the morning supervisors did. They started telling rumors that I was fired, then they started spreading rumors that I told on people who were drinking on the job. HR won't do shit, and the managers new. She's young and dumb and only believes the supervisors. I'm still on suspension after 7 weeks, but I currently at a better job
HR are full of BS. Often they will say what suits them the best based on what knowledge they assume you lack or have. In this case. It might be that they were listing to the rumors, but being called out for that afterwards and admitting it would make the look stupid. Wolla, nah, we dont do such, standard practice.
Sounds like my former big box lumber store in Wisconsin.... He cut me down to 5hrs a week to try to get me to quit..... Funny he was "transferred " one day because of personal conflicts before he could get me to quit.... Ill never admit that i may have helped him to move to a new town &store without requesting it...
@@greenghost6416 Learn to read. Your comment makes no sense in context of what I said. Let me guess, your application to a burger flipper joint was lost in the mail...
I work in Utah. My ex boss fired me because “ he just could see how unhappy I was” keep in mind my performance was great. I didn’t have any issues with anyone. I was just in his eyes not happy. Lost my 80K a year job.
Sorry to hear that. I was expecting something else lol. A friend had a similar story but in a positive way. The company had changed management and the new bosses wanted to cut costs as much as possible. So they let go external contractors, and the salaried workers had to pick up the extra work but with the same pay. The strategy was to get most people to resign while the positions were relocated to cheap offshore contractors. Well, my friend's manager wasn't aboard this, so he fired his entire team, 15 people were let go with chunky severance packages
The president of our company stated he had an open door policy. I received a pitiful raise and talked to him directly since my boss (government) was not affiliated directly with my company (private). At first he was offended and had me come back (lawyer present) and said "I want you to resign". I apologized for offending him but refused to resign. This went on awhile. Eventually he asked my predecessor about my job and she backed me up. As a result, I received a second raise and transfer to a better job at corporate. Whether they're asking or telling you to resign, don't! But I would recommend looking for a new employer if that's workable.
Company I drove for the boss Hogg had an open door policy as well until 1day a driver came in with a shotgun that was the last day of the open door policy
Only time I was told I was fired and could go home I told the guy he could t fire me…he left for about and hour and turns out I was right lol. Don’t let people intimidate.
Yeah i once was cohorsed into quiting a job at blockbuster...after a cluent tried to attack me because i was bussy handling the mess that the manager didnt close shop when we lose power a saturday....in retrospect i could have sued....but i was young....and stupid
Don't quit, MAKE them fire you. It can be fun If you do it right! If they hate paying that unemployment tax, they will lie and pile on multiple reasons for firing you trying to cover ALL the bases. It becomes your word against theirs plus they almost always lose their cool and get hostile when you laugh at thier discipline efforts.. Once they do that, you got them. It's a trap for them!
Most businesses with an HR department have a tiered system of discipline that you sign when accepting employment. They normally lay out specific circumstances for immediate dismissal (firing). Some will even have you sign forms saying you were given a verbal warning. Then they can show the arbitration judge the documentation for termination with cause and avoid unemployment increases on their FUTA and SUTA tax rates.
@RedSaltMarine420 i've been on unenjoyment 2x in my life never stood still long enough to collect was on it 2 yrs under obama regime never been on it since
They have been brainwashed for 200 years that any objection to capitalism and business practices in general is Communism and Anti American. Combine that, with the fact that their politicians are hopelessly corrupt bagmen for corporations, and you have the worst environment for employees in the industrialized world.
If you resign willfully...and have turned in a "2 week notice." The employer can immediately "accept your resignation" and not let you work the 2 weeks. This is the only time I've seen bosses use that phrase. If you show up tomorrow they don't have to let you work...they have the documentation that you quit...in writting. Moral of this story...don't give 2 weeks notice. Quit that day, in right to work states.
There are some ways to side step the "resigning" trap. In my resignation letter, I never said I was resigning. I said I was forced to leave and seek employment elsewhere out of duress due to the hostile work environment perpetuated by my employer. They initially fought my request for unemployment, but I requested a hearing. No one from work showed up, so the judge awarded me unemployment by default.
That's exactly how I worded my resignation. Found out later, that letter forced the employer to completely restructure it's policies! Yeah a win for the good!
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Did this once, they wanted to fire me, and the district manager kept saying "you are resigning", I kept repeating, "no, i love my job (which i really did) and refuse to resign."
I said that about 10 times before he finally said, "okay, you're fired."
Old me is so proud of young me right now.
Storytime please. What was the reason they gave? Was it wrongful termination?
Getting fired makes you look worse for the next
@@bingobertha8750 If you put it on the resume.
@@2centsbear638 Lol, no, I was definitely in the wrong.
I might've been wrong, but I ain't stupid.
@@bingobertha8750 The most companies can say is if you're eligible for rehire or not when asked. You getting fired doesn't follow you around like some kind of permanent record. Getting pressured to resign robs you of unemployment. It's always better to force a company to fire you.
I was asked to "resign" or be fired. When I asked what I was being fired for, they said I mis-used equipment I had been trained on. Equipment I had never used or been trained on. They weren't thrilled when I asked to see the signed document saying that I had received training. HR manager panicked and said, you know we don't have records like that. I said, so you are going to fire me without cause? Should I start looking for an employment lawyer now...?
They gave me a severance package and didn't fight me on unemployment. I hated that company.
If a man fucked me iver. I’d ruin him. Stab his tires. Bust his windows,
Etc.
Nothing is petty when you where treated petty
@@shadowdeslaar I didn't feel like escalating to property damage. That isn't petty, it is stupid.
I started a job I was still on my 90 days my boss threatened to fire or threatened to wait until my 90 days was up. I have never been fired from a job before and I was not gonna drive to the job just to get fired. Two hours a day, 60 miles a day all for 13 an hour. So I never went back.
The sad thing is not all states require reason for termination in the u.s.a in the state I grew up in you could be fired at any time for any reason wrongful termination simply isnt a thing
@@SparklingQueenLuna that hasn't been true for a couple generations now. For example, if you are part of a protected class (race, religion, ethnicity, country of origin, disability, sex) they can't fire you for being part of that class. They can't fire you for being pregnant.
The reason they gave me was because they didn't want to have to pay me unemployment, but we all knew it was bogus. At a previous job, when I had been younger, they told me "You just aren't a good fit," and if I'd been wiser I would have known that I could have sued because the real reason was religious discrimination. (Boss found out I was Wiccan and told me in front of the whole department that I was going to burn in Hell. The firing happened a couple weeks later after a glowing performance review.)
Now, the reason given can be as ridiculous as, "I don't like red shirts, so everyone wearing red is fired," but they have to fire everyone. The moment they say, "everyone who is wearing a red shirt is fired, except Sally and Bill," they are now facing a wrongful termination suit.
This happened to me once. I told them no I was not resigning. Came to work the next day as usual. They sent in two top people from the main office to continue telling me that I had resigned I continued to say that I did not. They then sent me an email saying we accept your resignation effective immediately. I sent them an email back saying that I had not resigned. And we went back and forth for a few hours. When they decided to call the police to escort me off the property. I called legal aid and they gave them a call. Got full unemployment and it was extended an extra 5 months. Screw that place.
Damm. That was tough. Good job. Is that a company people might know?
Way to stick it out. Good on you!
This sounds just like a video I saw in 2021. Was it a vaccine thing?
Sounds to me like "document forgery" since they "forged legal documents in your name".
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It’s funny because I had a bad boss that did the opposite of this. I resigned, and told her that it was due to her bad treatment. She immediately fired me. I got my full unemployment and a couple of weeks off…
That seems very stupid. But bad people tend to be stupid.
Broke: "you can't fire me! I quit!"
Woke: "you can't quit! You're fired!"
@@Child_of_the_Voidyou cant fire me, you’re a frog!
How did you get unemployment when she fired you? He can’t be that easy.
@@IVvOOvVIyou qualify for unemployment when you’re fired or laid off. You don’t qualify if you quit. The only exceptions are if you’re fired for cause and the employer can challenge your collection. Being let go at will is not being fired for cause.
I had a manager who did everything possible to make my job miserable while not firing me, in an effort to make me quit. I did and still got unemployment because the state office spoke with HR from the company I worked and concluded that I was coerced into quitting. Haha!
absolutely played herself lmfao
Your unemployment was probably cheaper than if the state sided with you to go after them, lol. You lucked out that HR's interest for the company and your interests aligned.
You didn't luck out, you got scammed.
You could have gotten 100,000+ by pressing charges, thats why HR took the opportunity to make it unemployment instead.
Happy for you!
Ditto. My coworker told me that the boss told them to harass me into quitting. Joke was on them. I don't quit and I knew they had a hard time finding qualified workers. I medicallly retired from there 10 years later
Another things is if you get suspended. They have to tell you the moment you're suspended for how long you are being suspended. They can't tell you "go home and will call you to tell you for how long" or "we'll call you when you can come in". I was suspended in a job once and they told me "we'll call you". I called the department of labor that same day and they told me I could collect because whern you are suspended, they have to give you a time frame. If not, it's considered wrongful termination. I collected for 52 weeks.
Wait so a year of pay for no work?
@@gyrozeppeli4862 depending on the law, it may have been they collected 52 weeks lump sum, or 52 times of calling to get a week's pay
@@gyrozeppeli4862 , I worked there for 3 years. I don't know how wrongful termination works for someone who hasn't worked for long.
@@gyrozeppeli4862 Dude got siced good
Shame on you! Your lazy as should have gotten a job. You are pathetic and no wonder the company fired your lazy ass.
I did this, knew they wanted to fire me as the manager hated me but I just kept working until they gave me the papers, then I thanked them and they were surprised, I told them they did me a favour as I wanted to quit. They tried to backtrack and say it was illegal as I wanted to leave so they weren't firing me, told them it was too late, again thanks and walked out. Her expression turning from satisfaction to oh fck MADE MY FREAKING YEAR. Still makes me smile.
Lmao. She got played
Correct. Last November it became very obvious that I was about to be let go, and I made it known to my supervisor, in writing, that I would like to resolve our issues and keep my job. During the actual meeting in which they fired me, the supervisor and HR manager kept trying to bait me into an emotional response, like they were hoping I'd tell them to shove the job because I quit. I never took the bait, even when he made a false accusation with ZERO evidence. The longer this went on, the more visibly they squirmed, and I loved every second of it. By the end, they were practically begging me to give them something: "Isn't there ANYTHING you want to say?!" And my reply remained "No, nothing I say matters because you've already made your decision." The HR lady was PISSED and it was hilarious. I walked out with my head held high, got to keep my sign-on bonus, and was hired for another job (with a much better work environment) within 2 weeks. Screw those insignificant little dipshits 😂
Or treat me like crap trying to get me to quit. 😢 Created mental issues.
“Get everything in writing” is something every school should teach students
Team HBCU!!! First lesson you learn!!
Unfortunately, for a lot of people that's something they have to learn the hard way.
Life lessons should be taught by parents
And no parting shots. Write: "I love my job and the company and do my very best every day see you in the morning". One day you'll be able to bring that note out in court.
Yet in writing, there are so many minefields depending how something is phrased... 🤷🤔
Very true, I worked in an office and it was the worst place ever. I worked in billing and they canceled my Hawaiian vacation so I could fill in for a receptionist because she put in for vacation before me. We NEVER EVER have covered for a receptionist, not even for lunch break. She did this because she knew that I knew how our new billing system worked better than her and I discovered close to a million dollars was gone, just gone, in a one year period and she was afraid I would say something. I really could have cared less because I didn't like any them. So I found a new job that would let me start after I got back from Hawaii but I wasn't giving my employer 2 weeks notice. I told her I WAS going on my vacation and she told me I had to resign. This place has never paid out unemployment for anyone, ever. She had the papers all typed up. I told no, I'm not resigning, they said I HAD to, I said, no I don't. We went back and forth until she finally said I was fired, 3 hours later. I smiled a big sh*t eating grin because I knew they didn't want to pay unemployment. I already had my personal things packed up. I opened my closet, grabbed the box and left. I still had 2 weeks before my vacation so I filed for unemployment, I wasn't due to start my new job for a month.
Sorry so long, but I did send an anonymous letter to the big boss with proof of all the money that was gone and also reported them for insurance fraud!!!
you're a legend.
Nice
Did you ever find out about any updates after that happened? Sounds crazy
Good for you ✊🏿
And then everyone clapped
Also never fall for the “Well you can resign or we will terminate you”
Make them terminate you. Next employer doesn’t care how or why you left the last job these days. Get that unemployment bag.
The applications I’ve filled out recently ask why I left my previous jobs so maybe they do
@user-ji1ks3vd9g "Wrongful termination with an explanation of what they did", if the new employer doesn't take you, then they aren't worth your time to begin with
@@adolphgracius9996 to be fair 90% of employers care only if you did something ilegall or morally questionable otherwise they don't really care
@@adolphgracius9996This is an insane answer, anything with a clearance cares, lots of great jobs don't want people who have been fired for cause. We all ask if you are eligible for rehire, if you're not it's a flag.
@adolphgracius9996 lol becuase that makes you sound like someone that is a joy to work with. No, much more likely, you're a shi employee and tried to get your former boss on technicalities. Regardless, no my problem when I have 97 resumes for 1 opening
JUST went through this. They conveniently gave me a "2 week notice" that I was being laid off due to over-staffing and refused to give me anything in writing. I quickly realized they were trying to pitch it to HR that I had given notice. It totally backfired once I got HR involved and refused to communicate outside of email. Excellent lesson learned - always have written correspondence! If you have a verbal conversation, follow it up with an email stating what was discussed. Employees have WAY more rights than employers let on.
Dude tried to get me to resign at my job years ago. Told him if he didn’t want me there he was going to have to fire me. 10 years later I still work there. Point is he had no legal reason to fire me and knew it so he tried to get me to quit.
Why did you stay at a place that wanted you gone for ten years? Would that not lead to a hostile and stressful work environment?
@@sterlingstrand1432 no, the manager was hated by the majority of the workforce. It’s a great place to work and I enjoy my co workers company and have a great boss. Sometimes people make it in to positions they shouldn’t be in and he is now gone and I’m still there making 50k a year on part time postion. Point I’m trying to make is sometimes when you are being dealt an unfair hand you just have to play it out and sometimes the flop has 3 of the 5 you need for a flush
Omg that's actually worse man
Is unemployment that expensive for employers to pay out?
@@powpowouchy5 In my state, unemployment is taxed at 10.3%
The amount of tax is based partly on how many unemployment claims the business has against them-- which is why they want you to quit so they don't owe you a penny.
I once resigned from a job with a months notice. The boss gleefully accepted the resignation and wanted me to leave so badly (she had personal beef with me). But her bosses pulled me aside and offered me a huge raise to stay. I still didn’t take it I wanted out. But then after I quit they fired her and people told me that her making me quit was the final straw.
Love it lol
They could have just fired her to begin with. Companies will throw thousands of $ out the door and then fuss over $5.
She exhibited reckless disregard for their human resources; which is a leadership failure. Not everyone can walk the boss tight-rope.
@@barbarahendryx809 they were going to but had a replacement plan. I was her assistant and right under her in line so I guess I was part of that plan but me quitting screwed that up.
This is the outcome folks dream about!
"Get it in writing" is probably the best work advice ever offered
I had my last employer fire me. They also tried to pull a fast one by suggesting they change the date of termination to April 1st. It was March 31. As it came to light, April 1st 2010 rules changed for Cobra, health insurance employees pay after termination. I told them leave it be the original date. If I hadn't done that I'd be responsible for 100% of the cost. They were responsible for over 50% of cost which came to about 750.00 per month for duration of over 1 year! Know your rights. Also had to pay my unemployment!
lol, they definitely fucked up there. They knew about the April 1 thing and probably went something like "right, so we fire them March 31st then right, and their first day without a job will be April 1 which is when the new rules enter into effect". And then they figured "oh fuck, no, it needs to actually be April 1!"
Home Depot fired me over my health issues.
There wasn't a damn thing they could do to keep me from collecting unemployment.
To collect unemployment in every state, you have to be ready to work. So your health issues wouldn’t prevent you from working, correct?
@@D_Parks whats your point
@@peep3208 Wow, I have to spell it out? Comment was Home Depot fired him over health issues and there wasn’t a damn thing they could do to keep him from collecting. Then I commented that states require a current and constant employment seeking effort in order to collect and maybe his health issues might prevent him from seeking a new job.
I hope that clears it up as to my point.
@@D_Parks not necessarily, if The Home Depot requires them to be on their feet all day, and they can no longer do that, they can still search for other, suitable work. They can still collect unemployment.
@@jessicaemmit4062 So you’re agreeing with me. As long as you’re actively looking for work, you can collect unemployment.
Friends this is 1000% true. I once sat in a “meeting” where they intended to fire me but instead started off with a long list of wild claims which I countered point by point (shoutout to my manager who gave me warning of their shenanigans) and eventually I asked what the intent of this meeting was. Essentially they tried tooth and nail to get me to resign. No ma’am Pam. I got fired properly (for no reason, along with other colleagues as they swept the department one by one), and collected my unemployment until I found a much better placement. Don’t fall for this trap and do not get excited with the “u can’t fire me! I quit!” nonsense. They love that!
Wait… so getting fired is better than quitting?
@@Clexi if you quit you can't get unemployment but if you're fired you can
@That Random Failure not true in every state or situation. I've quit and received unemployment for over a year.
@@aprilvrsmith Massively unhelpful comment. Unless there are states where the opposite is true (where you can ONLY collect unemployment if you quit, and CANNOT collect unemployment if you get fired), then this is good advice for everyone to follow by default.
If the situation in some states is more worker friendly, people can find that info if they're considering quitting. But that should be the (probably rare) exception to the rule.
@Wes Kingston Wasn't really trying to be helpful. Just was stating a fact, as in some case its actually better to quit and keep your experience on your resume. It doesn't always mean you won't get your unemployment. It's up to each and their own to do their research on their state guidelines for unemployment regarding quitting vs termination.
I work at a job once where the boss would fire you, they would tell you to your face that you are fired, but would leave you on the schedule so when you didn't show up for your assigned shift for three straight days.....they would claim you quit.
That's evil! And probably illegal
So basically you need to ask a written note that you are fired and the reason.
These days you would send a text or email afterwards with some follow up questions so there's written proof of your termination.
My last employer fired me, but called it an "Indefinite Suspension"....I filed for Unemployment.....was denied because I was only "Suspended". Had to file an appeal.....took 3 weeks for the hearing.....this after the first 2 weeks. They argued I wasn't terminated, only Suspended....the Judge asked when would I be returning to work.....they then said it was "Indefinite".....the Judge told them they had 3 days to put me on the schedule. When I went in to check.....I was told I'd been terminated for "No-Call / No-Show" .....I went back to Unemployment.....had to re-file....employer said it was justified.....I had to file another appeal....almost 4 weeks later, ended up in front of same Judge. She grilled them like she was homeland security, later got letter that the decision was in my favor.....got a check that covered 9 weeks of benefits pay. I milked those weekly benefits for as long as I could. What they did to me should be illegal.
I have absolutely been through this. I applied for a transfer and my boss hauled me into his office with a HR woman there (his secret mistress that wasn't so secret) and told me I had just resigned. He was pissed that I requested a transfer and wanted to make me pay. I absolutely refused to sign any papers or meet any other of his demands. They lied and said I resigned. I went higher up and he ultimately ended up getting fired. But I was put through absolute hell by him and I really hope karma gets him.
I mean if he got fired that helps
Never quit if you are being intimidated. Shut off your emotions if you can, show up, do a reasonable amount of work and collect your check until you have a backup.
Or proof for a lawyer.
True. AND...
I tried changing jobs twice.. Thing was it was TAMU and the same HR all 24 years.
I hadn't gone to HR originally, so I didn't realize HR was after Me.
It's a long 24 year experience that began with being depicted in the University newspaper as a "Parking Nazi".
The 2nd job wrote Me up for "being female".
The 3rd job was way more passive aggressive, by shunning Me & denying training, promotions or appreciating the good work I did.. then yelled at Me while beating on the desk during a witnessed meeting, to attempt to Gaslight Me. Then TAMU lied and claimed it was Me that yelled.
My unemployment documents are stamped COURTESY.
STXCOURT Judge Sim Lake is a TAMU alumni = there was no hearing, no settlement & the clerk misfiled the AUDIO & transcript of the meeting where TAMU yelled at Me for over an hour.
No Lawyer would defend My case because I refused to settle out of Court & TAMU has Public Funded TXOAG for representation.
I qualified for Legal Aid but They don't help with "fee generating cases" like employment law.
If anyone is a "Nazi" it's HR. 🙄
If reasonable = the least you can possibly get away with, then yea. I agree
If they want you gone make them do it. If they fire you for not working fast enough then unemployment is on the table. At least in Ohio.
going through this rn. thank u
That’s horrible advise. Never erase emails, make copies of HR complaints, look into being able to record at work and then go to the labor rights in ur state, seek a lawyer and go to a doctor for ptsd for mental abuse. U can sure as hell get workers comp AND unemployment. I quit when I was 25 and disputed the unemployment & won. And also, stop living above ur means so u can quit. I drove a beater and had a roommate. U shldnt be having a massive car payment if u can’t even save emergency $.
Was forced to resign from a job ("Sign this or we fire you effective today" was the quote), ended up going to a lawyer about unemployment. Found out at the last minute he was talking with the corporate lawyer off the record. I dropped the guy the day before the unemployment hearing and had a cousin -- yes, he was also a real lawyer -- represent me. The corporate lawyer looked REAL surprised when we walked into the room... and I walked out with unemployment approved in under 10 minutes. :-)
An ex boss of mine said this exact thing to me. It was after being written up. My boss asked me while “writing me up”, “what’s going on? Talk to me.” I said I did feel like I belonged there anymore. Cut to next Monday they pull this on me. She said we accept you resignation. I didn’t want to resign. I tried to get my unemployment and YES they tried denying my unemployment but I filed a protest. You can talk to an unemployment rep. I explained I wasn’t trying to resign. I felt she was firing me and I didn’t have a choice. Which was true. My ex boss even went as far as contacting an ex employee to try and dig up some evidence so I wouldn’t get the unemployment. Anyways I ended up get my unemployment.
Pretty insane to me that in the US unemployment pay comes from your former employer? Or have I got that wrong? Cause I live in a place where it doesnt make sense to me why an ex-employer would care one way or another whether or not you got unemployment pay, because it wouldnt affect them whatsoever.
@@GroovingPict this is correct. employers have to pay unemployment.
Don’t ever quit unless it’s to go to a better job you already have
*unless* the job is causing you to have thoughts of harming yourself or others
@@dannybrine8718 thats when you start tryna get fired but not in a obvious way that you cant get unemployment
@@johnymcmuffins7898 true
That's stupid. If you are being actively abused. Quit. No job pays well enough to abuse me.
@@dannybrine8718 then you have mental problems and need to seek treatment
Never sign anything, force them to lay you off or fire you and then you can get unemployment.
Might as well be a shit employee and drag them down while you are there too, huh?
@@fungdark8270 always be the best employee that you can be, avoiding being fired for cause. If a company can get you to resign then the company saves on unemployment costs. If you are layed off or fired without cause you may qualify for unemployment. Me, I left w2 employment years ago and am Self-employed.
You can get UI even if you quit, if you can demonstrate a deliberately hostile work environment i.e. all your family's here and they arbitrarily transfer you to Alaska.
@@Chris-mi5ff yes of course and if you are denied always appeal. There is great success in appealing negative decisions.
@Chris No you can't. If you willfully leave the workforce, for any reason at all, you do not qualify for UI
I was asked for my resignation some time ago and I was told that resigning would look better on my job record/resume or whatever. I was really inexperienced, so I went along with it. A year or so later, I learned about this and I was pissed. That absolute PoS. I'm quite sure he knew exactly what he was doing.
In Australia "forced resignation" is recognised, and the employer is definitely still in trouble
It is in the US as well.
This happened to me. They said at midnight on Friday that I could be fired or come in and resign on the following Monday. While hovering over my space heater cuz I ran out of propane that Saturday night, I applied for unemployment online. I got a call Monday morning saying why did you no call/no show? I was like, you said I could be fired or resign; I choose to be fired. They tried to say I "abandoned my job" but the timing of it was what screwed them. I drew the unemployment
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"if you don't come Monday, you get to choice between two choices, one that benefits you and one that doesn't!"
"okay, I pick the one that benefits me"
*surprised pickachu face*
I worked at a small little machine shop as a tooling engineer and one Friday afternoon, the owner sent over my supervisor to tell me that they had to cut my pay by 25% (right as Covid was starting to hit) and that I had to accept the offer right then and there or I would be forced to resign. I said I'm not signing and that I'll need the weekend to look and think it over. Next morning I get a call from my supervisor saying that he really needs me to sign that offer letter because the owner chewed him out for letting me take the letter home with me. What he didn't know is that I stayed up until 2am the night before looking up if I would still qualify for unemployment if I was forced to resign. I WROTE to him in a message that I was willing to compromise on the pay reduction and/or the hours I would be working but he WROTE back that none of that was negotiable and I either accept it or will be let go. Long story short, I got unemployment plus all of the Biden bucks, went to school online for CNC programming for free and found a kick ass job after being off for 6 months. It was the best summer of my life lol
High Five to the Good Guy!!!
Awesome story I'm really glad things worked out for you. If you don't mind me asking, what online school did you go to to learn cnc programming?
Biden bucks aka super charged inflation.
You actually used the money to get better ? and not endless drug ?
wow, those republican is liar.
Stonks
A long time ago I worked for a big grocery chain. At the time I was a couch surfing 16 year old. I had no stable home environment. Some nights I would sleep in cars and I ended up catching pneumonia. I could not go into work and spent a couple of nights in the ER. I went through the right processes of calling in and letting my managers know the situation as well as providing documentation and proof of illness.
I was fired on my next shift after I got better. They claimed they "never received the documents" which was bullshit bc I handed them in myself even though I had 100° fever.
I cried and begged for another chance. I wish 16 year old me knew how much shit they could of gone in if I had actually contacted the department of labor.
could have'
My first professional job, I had to take a medical leave and when I came back they said my position was filled and my income was reduced from 18 to 15$ an hour. Now I was about to get married so I needed any money and my pride didn't matter much at this point so I said, "happy to be back" They probably expected me to quit in rage, it came back to bite them, because ever day I continued to work there I was a physical reminder to the rest of the staff that their employer doesn't give a damn about them.
If in the United States, that's a violation of law to cut your pay/position fill while on recognized medical leave
My manager gave me the number for the NY Dept of Labor and I called them. The fella at the other end of the phone agreed that I was getting screwed over, but he also said that they did not do anything illegal.
And you wouldnt believe this,.. 4 years later, those psychopaths begged for me to come back. (Don't enter healthcare, kids)
@@jeremypresutti
I put in my resignation and next day the GM came to me said i can leave now instead of 2 weeks cause we have you covered. She refused to let me work it out. Filed for unemployment for wrongful termination. Went to phone court and judge caught her in 3 major lies. I go t back pay as well. Once a formal resignation is submitted, they can not fire you except very serious reasons. Or in MN 15 years ago it was that way.
I'm pretty sure they can "walk" you as long as they're willing to pay you for the two weeks you were willing to work.
In which case, score for all parties I guess?
@lisakp71 you are right. You can leave but they are then required to still pay for your time.
My good friend found out his job was gonna downsize. He put in a formal resignation for 9 months. It worked.
@@patrickwoltersen9531 I've seen that happen. Sometimes it's a risk to keep unhappy people around so it's best to have them not come in but yeah they are still considered employed and have to be paid until the date of resignation.
Oh ja, you betcha.
Unemployment Insurance isn't the company paying for something as a punishment. It's a benefit you pay for. It's part of your compensation package. A subtle change in viewpoint, but a vital one. Take the power back from employers.
It's both. You pay in and the company pays into unemployment.
I worked for a company that routinely fired almost everyone with in 90 days of hire. They would lie about why they fired people to the unemployment agency. That way they didn't have to pay benefits and they didn't have to cover unemployment. AND I was mandatorily referred to them by the unemployment agency. This company knew how to game the system.
I fought the former employer and won the unemployment to be able to have income while looking for work.
It was 21 years ago.
The premium employers have to pay goes up when staff have filed for unemployment (of course this was suspended during COVID)
@@cindysmith9213 47 of 50 states you do not pay into Unemployment. Most states unemployment is 100% funded by employers.
@@darththeo true. But it’s part of the compensation package. Just like for most health insurance, even if completely employer funded, is part of the compensation package.
@@NickCBax I don't think it's accurate to say it's part of the compensation package because it's required by law and the premiums are paid to the government.
I always accepted the resignation ploy… one, I negotiated a 12 month severance and release of my non compete. It has worked out extremely well. As a now retired VP, I fondly look back at my successes…
Thanks for all of your helpful content Ryan! I hope more people see your content so they don't get screwed over like I was at my nightmare of a first job.
At one job my husband had, he got called on out of the blue and told, “If I didn’t like you so much, you’d already be gone.” He was stunned as he had been fixing all their mistakes of client networks and heard zero complaints.
A friend of ours who was a business owner pushed us to reply in writing asking them to clarify every allegation. That way it had to go in his file.
Next meeting, they “looked forward to working with him for many years to come” but had brought in a witness and refused to sign their clarifying letter.
Hmm ok.
So we knew he was out as soon as the busy season was over.
Sure enough, he got called in on first Friday in September and told not to return Monday.
BUT all our in writing work saved his unemployment, which we needed as I was starting a business.
Found out later from another fired employee that trashing the employee months in advance was their standard move to avoid paying unemployment.
Epilogue: the company laid off 2/3 of their people in the aftermath of the 2008 recession and got bought out.
Happened to me like this. They did a review where the things they picked at were just the tiniest things like" you didn't put a comma in this sentence, so you have terrible writing skills but when I took it to a strong writer they said well that was a matter of opinion on that"... They did a bunch of that. When they went to "fire me" they messed up and said they hired me without 50% of the skills I needed lol mmm ok so when HR called I told them that and said I expected severance because they should have better vetted my skills and not had me leave my last job if they didn't properly vet and explain that there was another 50% of the job I wasn't going to be able to do and they were not going to train me on after deciding to hire me and their leader admitted as much. I got the severance and then a bunch of ppl were laid off behind me and said they ended up with the same shinanigans... Just tell ppl you lost business instead of lying
Who cares? Its business. Move on. I take it your business failed?
@@jeremyhall7951 yo, what the fuck?
@@jeremyhall7951 bruh
@@jeremyhall7951 ain’t no way you’re a real person, this is objectively wrong
The way people do business is unnecessarily cut throat. Especially when people are doing their job well. This isn’t slavery man
I quit one of my first jobs after being lied to for 2 years, got a promotion but no pay increase. I was working one day and my soon to be boss called me and asked if I could be there the next morning. I said yes. Finished what I was doing, and said to my boss "Today is my last day, I'll finish today out if you let me, but I'm done." "We require a 2 week notice" "I require a pay increase with a promotion." Then I turned and walked away.
Interesting how when they fire you they don't give you a "two week notice" but they expect that courtesy from their employees. 🤔
@@ravens6286 I told them to get lost when I left. This was almost 2 years ago and the company still hasn’t filled the position. Best part is, about 8 months after I left, they called me and offered me $25/hr to come back. I still made more than what that came out to be so I declined and told them that if they want me back they will have to pay $30/hr and they pay benefits and 401k or for $35/hr flat. They did the $30/hr, so I went to give my 2 week notice to this boss, he asked how much. I told him and he said he would pay me $280/day to stay (I only worked maybe 5-6hrs a day). I called the old boss back and told them the offer and they said they can’t compete. My current boss actually values us and will go above and beyond to keep a good worker. I love working for these guys and I wouldn’t take it any other way.
2 years bro. Whats going on 😂😂. The checks was coming in the same, you thought a ballon check was coming or something???
@@actuallymario7676 2 years of $10 an hr and a promotion where the last guy (who I had more experience than) was making $20 an hr. They gave me that promotion and didn’t give me any sort of raise. Right now I’m making almost $2000 a week and from Thanksgiving until early January I’m making about $2300 a week.
@@dusty_russty6933 that’s nice buddy, I’m making 6000$ a week and after thanksgiving till February 31st I’m making 6500$
I dealt with this once, at a job with certifications required for it....I was told to resign and if not they'd fire me AND then put in requests to the state agency to revoke my certification which would prevent me from getting another job in that field.
So of course they contested my unemployment based on the fact that I "willingly resigned".
I explained it to the arbitrator who flat out went "So you did tell him that, if he didn't sign the resignation letter that YOU wrote up? You did, eh? So he only resign under duress and threats.....you know that's illegal, right?" :D
Please note that if you work for a nonprofit you WILL NOT GET UNEMPLOYMENT. They aren’t required to participate by law.
Shit, I just realized my parents were telling me the wrong advice my entire life. They told me that HR telling people to resign is them being "kind" because being fired will reflect negatively on their resume.
I just realized they've been gaslighted to think that way 😱
In fairness, it probably wasn't bad advice when they first heard it. When I started working, I had more than one boss say that early in their career, they were told that the company would not hire anybody who'd ever been fired.
I think it depends on what you’re being fired for, and whether you’re being rightfully or wrongly terminated.
@@almostfm How would they know that you've been fired? There is no permanent record and you don't have to say why you left on your resume. The employer almost definitely will not answer any questions about why you left if asked, they'll just confirm the start and end date of your employment. They don't want to get sued by you later on for hampering your future earning potential.
@@valeskavictoria1278 The last time I filled out a job app, it had a section on whether you'd ever been fired. And if you lie and get hired, if they find out, they'll fire you for that.
@@almostfm They can't find out and I have never seen that except for government jobs. The vast majority of jobs are in the private sector and do not ask that. But again, they can't find out because your former employer is not allowed to tell them that stuff.
Meanwhile in countries with workers' rights...
My workplace knew better and was very kind and respectful in their handling of the situation. Corporate wanted us gone, but inhouse loved us, and so when the team was scrapped we were let go fair and square for the sole reason of another team member violating a policy, creating a strike three for the entire team, resulting in me and my fellow coworker becoming eligible for unemployment which was happily paid to us. And thank goodness too, cause I need the money.
I was wrongfully terminated from a job over something I did not even do they refused to pay my unemployment after I filed it. I got a call from an investigator asking me to describe what happened at work I told her and she said oh don't worry about it they're going to pay you and they damn sure did end up paying me. And I drew every single penny from them.
I lost like $10,000 I was supposed to get it from a job telling me to go on unemployment and then they'll bring me back in 3 months and then they denied my unemployment brought me back for one day after 3 months and fired me. I tried to fight it but this was during covid and it took nine days to get anything done.
Never saw that money
@@DanteGrey sorry that happened to you. My place of work drove me crazy so I get it.
I was fire and denied unemployment after I worked through the pandemic
Being fired for something you didn’t do is not wrongful termination. Wrongful termination is terming you in a way that violates a contract or some type of covered discrimination, which is hard to prove.
If what you say is true, then you didn’t get every penny from the employer. You got it from the state. UI is funded by a tax that employers pay into for each employee. It’s serves them no purpose to deny claims or even create situations that lead to claims. For this, your story is very suspiciously, umm, bull shit.
@@thisguy7392 let me rephrase this story so it won't be bulshit for you. I picked up a pre-loaded trailer the inside load was not properly secured and it was not my job to secure the load because it's preloaded in locked. I was merging onto the highway into a curve that was moving left the load shifted and flipped the truck over not my fault. They fired me for that the safety department said it was my fault and they denied my unemployment. I got hold of the Texas Workforce Commission told them my story and in about an hour later the woman called me back and said you'll be getting your unemployment from them. I am not an attorney or I would have known the proper definition for what actually happened to me in that scenario but in my heart I felt like I was wrongfully terminated if not in the legal actual sense. Glad I could clear my bulshit up for you mister attorney.
I learned this the hard way. I was asked to resign and was told if I resign then I can reapply for a different position later, but if I'm terminated I can't. After I resigned, I was informed that A. everyone who resigned couldn't file for unemployment. B. I wasn't allowed to reapply at another location because I "quit". Felt so stupid, but I was only 21 at the time. :|
You likely would have won an unemployment hearing.
You should have consulted a lawyer about suing them.
Hindsight is 20/20 . You know better now. They knew you were young and vulnerable.
You absolutely can reapply at another location if you resign. In fact, usually getting fired prevents you from being able to be rehired by the same corporation, as they'll usually blacklist you.
This does happen. I had a higher manager take over a store that just stopped scheduling me hours. When I walked in she said "You may leave." She absolutely refused to say I was terminated or fired or anything (and I pressed her hard). All she would say is "You may leave." If I had wanted to fight, I could have, but it was just 1 or 3 part time jobs I was working at the time so I was glad to be rid of it.
Constructive dismissal is wrongful termination.
I had a retail store manager who told me that if I didn't resign from my position, he would make my work life a living hell ! I was told to think about it during my lunch hour . I called the unemployment office and gave them specific details of the conversation, including names, times, and locations ! I went back after lunch and resigned ! I was paid unemployment ! The manager was fired a few months later for violation of store policies !
I had a similar situation happen in 2020. I was hired for a temporary position, knowing my job would be irrelevant after August. However, I knew that if I resigned as soon as my job was done, I wouldn’t get anything from unemployment and the COVID stimulus package. So I just kept showing up for another month until they decided to let me go. This kept me financially stable until I found another job, whereas if I quit, I wouldn’t have been able to afford rent for a couple of months. Don’t quit unless you have another job lined up. Unemployment benefits could end up being the only thing keeping you afloat if you haven’t already signed on with another company.
Thank you for this, I've been locking horns with my current manager for like a year now. Even though nothing hes done has ever stuck, I'm concerned that he may try something like this.
Knowledge really is power sometimes.
I said this once. I had just taken over a department and an employee we had been having some issues with said she wanted a raise so she asked for a meeting. In the meeting she placed her resignation letter on my desk. She then said she had a better offer elsewhere and if I couldn't match or beat it, she was leaving. I stood up, picked up the letter and said, "I accept your resignation; you will be missed."
Tried this one time. The boss cut my hours to 2 hours a day. During those hours I had to sit through constant lectures and interrogations on why I used the word “no” in a phone call. Did I understand how damaging that negativity was to the company? Did I sign the employee commitment to stay away from negative speech at the company? Did I understand what I signed? Did I understand the importance of the contract and it’s importance to the company? Was I lying when I signed it? Did I wake up that morning decide to hurt the company by using this negative speech on the phone?
We’re literally talking about saying, “no, I’m sorry we don’t have any appointments today, but I can give you our first available.”
Did I mention where the lecherous, old, boss booked us a single room with only a king sized bed for an out of town business trip???🤬🤬🤬
I don't know in which State you reside, but there may be minimal scheduling required by law.
@@impeachy1518 This happened in Ohio.
@@MichiaMakes I was suggesting looking into recovering something on the grounds of Labor and employment violations in your state according to your state law code as a first step, but I imagine this boss already knew what he could get away with on scheduling.
The other potential crime was sexual harassment or something like conspiracy to commit a sexual crime, if this could be happening more frequently or involving more people than you know about personally.
Where I am, there is a minimum requirement of 4 hours. So that move alone was probably illegal. But booking a single for you both? Talk about a fat lawsuit for sexual harassment.
@@firestarterri because I was out of town and we had driven in his car, I was forced to sleep in the bed with him. At one point he climbed on top of me stating he wasn’t well and needed to do this to stay warm. He was much larger than I. I ended quitting after realizing he punishes females into quitting.
Never resign. Make them fire you.
I had a university president try this BS on me when he was firing every single director and VP at the university because he wanted to "run it like a business", which entailed bringing his corporate cronies (from Pepsi!) in.
Of course, if he laid everyone off, the university would be paying a TON of unemployment, so he tried to get as many people to resign as possible. He was so sleazy, and the massive brain-drain that resulted from him laying off so many knowledge workers at once damaged the university in a way that it STILL hasn't recovered from.
No, he did the right thing. Inflated administrations are killing universities. He did us all a favor.
@@readyfuels17You're aware you're commenting on what is basically r/antiwork right? Basically nobody but the rich and internet trolls agree with you.
@@readyfuels17 Did you miss the part about the University suffering MASSIVELY for over a decade since the departure of all the knowledge workers? The people who were let get were not C-suite executive equivalents; it was the Directors of Admissions, the Director of Operations, the Registrar, the Director of Financial Aid, the Director of IT, the VP of Enrollment Services, the VP of Student Life. It was all the people who know how the computer systems run and how to navigate the VERY complicated Federal Financial Aid system and the people who find, admit, and help onboard the students for the next class.
Even now, more than 11 YEARS since that fateful event, the University hasn't recovered. Its class sizes are smaller, it had to end two academic programs because of lack of enrollment, and its tuition has STILL increased every year.
I'd bet you don't know a god damn thing about running ANY part of a University. You're just yet another person who read something somewhere and now THINKS you're an expert, even though you are FAR to the left on the Dunning-Kruger Curve.
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I made this mistake once. I was working in a country where the employer needs to prove that you repeated the same malfeasance 3 times. I didn’t realize until about a week later why they had me sign a resignation paper. I was so confused at the time.
That's interesting; what country is that?
Something I've come to learn growing up, is the "have it in writing" portion.
When it comes to matters especially concerning money, not just business, have everything in writing, every time, no exceptions.
Even if you think they're your friend, anything short of family gives you 0 right to remotely think you shouldn't have it in writing.
And honestly, for some people, even being family isn't enough.
Note: This is coming from somebody with family outside of the U.S.A. who had to have this drilled into my head. People in the U.S.A. care about what's in writing, and what is legally binding. If they're your friend, they will put it in writing. If they aren't your friend, they won't, or they'll try something else, and it absolutely sucks.
In modern day America, your "word" has little more meaning than how far you can throw a rock.
I'm disabled and have both quit and have been fired from a few employers. I didn't know my rights and quite frankly would never have the money to pursue a lawsuit. Sometimes I still have a defense mechanism that convinces me people want me to resign. At least now I know that I am allowed to ask for more support and can fight my own defeatist instincts. Wrongful termination is pretty difficult to prove. From what I understand people need to collect screenshots before they lose access to their work accounts.
There are many law offices that offer services that merely take a cut of the pot after the fact and will bill very minor if there's a loss. Always search your options even if you believe there are no options.
My sister was a drug addict who worked in the service industry being a waitress. She got caught doubling billing and she used the addict excuse so when they fired her. She got unemployment for 4 months. Another time she was late everyday for a year. Then out of nowhere they started documenting it and she got fired. Went to unemployment and because they set a precedence for that behavior of being late. Those write ups were unlawful so another time got unemployment for 6 month. They were paying her 700 a fuxking week for 6 months. And she would legit nod while taking orders.
@@Scyborg832 some lawyers will even do it completely free if you're lucky. I have a friend who is paralyzed from the neck down and his landlord tried some bullshit to kick him out so I let him know about the pro Bono disability lawyers. He ended up getting paid a few grand which for him was a huge amount.
Employee abuse lawyers are like Social Security lawyers; you don't pay them, the employers are forced to or you pay a reasonable percentage when you get paid.
Be like George Castanza and just show up to work the next day like nothing ever happened.
LOL
It didn't take
A few months ago one employee started a fist fight with another during work hours, so i fired her. She said i had to fire her mentally handicapped nephew too since she was his ride. So i fried him too.
He showed up to work the next day, hiding every time i walked past for about a week even though I could clearly see him from the office... He still works here to this day.
Whaaat, thaaaat???
And not get paid? Brilliant idea.
When I was fired from Ed Feks Office they fought my application for unemployment. When I attended the hearing only I showed up and they only sent the paperwork, the hearing officer considered that hearsay and I ended up getting my benefits.
That is right. Never resign. Let them fire you.
A company once terminated me because the work I was hired to do never arrived to be done. They reported that I chose to quit, which caused unemployment to question the validity of my claim. Like he said, get everything in writing.
Or on tape.
I was fired for "my autism getting in the way of work. " I was baffled my manager was so blunt with it.
That’s illegal! They can’t fire you for a “disability” (which could include autism).
I would look in to a lawsuit if that is the case, bc I’m pretty sure that is a violation of the EEOC
@syllanaa it is. I just don't care enough. I've sadly become used to it to the point of not caring what others think or feel about me
@@TheZephyExperience Well, this isn’t just about what others think of you. For matters like these, it’s good if you look into it since it legally affects you.
As a fellow autistic, I’m sorry. Once you feel ready enough you should perdue legal action, you may not care now, but you should.
When I was 16 and living independently, my job iced me out. I have many health issues that made me have to sit down and use the bathroom more frequently than other employees because he legally couldn’t fire me, he stopped scheduling me. I was forced to quit
You should have gone to a lawyer.
I had a problematic employee once who angrily announced "I quit!" and left for the day. Came back the next day to start working, trying to brush off the previous day's action as "of course I was joking." I told him I accepted his resignation and he didn't need to stay anymore.
I had a boss who, if he wanted to get rid of someone, he would make their work environment terrible. Take away hours, short turn arounds, be passive aggressive. Then when you went to him to complain he would just push a resignation letter to you.
This was the way it was at Kmart.
And you keep these things documented a court can seem that behavior as functionally during you with an attempt to evade legality questions. Courts have repeatedly held these activities to constitute termination.
@@H-to-O Have the hole out in the desert or the woods ready before he get's jumped in the parking lot.
Takes a lot of stress from the undertaking.
That's hostile work environment, but only if you are a protected class. So basically not white, straight, males without a disability
It’s legally called constructive dismissal and it’s very common in the US. There are also zero laws against it and the onus is on you to prove it happened it court, however you may be eligible for unemployment benefits
I got fired from Walmart for having too many points on their system, even though they knew I had a standing Dr appointment every Monday, and assured me that if I got points for it they would take it off.5 years down the line I was fired and when I filed for unemployment they lied and said I walked out mid shift and didn't return, so they were forced to terminate me. I asked the unemployment person to check the camera, and it would show who was lying, but they wouldn't. I was denied.
If that was recent, report that shit to Ethics. Demand that they check things out because you got set up and wrongfully terminated.
you asked a state employee to do work lmao they taught you
@@mandarb23 truthfully you just gonna find the right person. Some older ladies and stuff will help you out so fast they are the driving back bone behind all things that work statewide. Old ladies making up for 99 useless state employees.
@@TH-cam_is_complete-total_shitold ladies and retired marines (probably other branches too, no first hand data.)
They got that Civic responsibility ingrained in them.
hey... just wanted to say, like most things, denial of unemployment can be APPEALED!!!
they tend to deny everyone because most people don't know that they can appeal the decision
Thank you for putting this information out we're more people will see it. Knowing the rules of unemployment is important especially for the employee and in the current financial climate.
This is true, and it’s hard to fire people in the U.K. nowadays. But, I’ve seen companies ask employees to resign for a big pay check as well.
News flash: Most employers are wise to this and won't actually fire you or accept your resignation. They'll simply keep you on the payroll and give you so few hours every week that you won't be able to keep up your current living conditions. So, you still work there, but only on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and only from 2pm-8pm
ehh that would only be a problem for part timers
@@Averagedre How so? If you depend on a 40-hour paycheck to pay the bills, and your hours are severely cut, then yes, you now have a problem.
@@jimwormmaster yes but full timers have GUARANTEED hours at all the jobs ive had if you are a full timer you get 40 hours every week now if you are a part timer than they can cut your hours because you aren’t guaranteed any hours thats why i said it would be a problem for part timers but not full timers
@@Averagedre I think you’re referring to Salaried vs Hourly employees. As a salaried employee, I get the same pay regardless of if they have me work 6 hours or 60. Hourly employees can be cut back on hours to the point they are effectively unemployed.
ohhh.... is that why my boss keeps giving me 8 hours... per week. ;-; i thought she liked me....
This happened to me ! Back 4 years ago, my boss retaliated against me for speaking to the ceo of our company about how things were going. She didn’t like that, guess she got chewed out. She said I accept your resignation. I told her I wasn’t resigning but she didn’t care. Ended up getting unemployment until I found my new job, best job ever ! Then that company went out of business 😅😅
what was the company?
How many times in movies and TV have we heard, "you can't fire me, I quit!" Yet another fine lesson in not basing any part of your life on Hollywood. It's all emotional drivel.
In NC they didn't need a reason to fire you. Freedom to fire State
Its quite common for people and companies to do things they aren't allowed to do. The trick is that if no one stops them they are effectively allowed to do it. They got away with it after all. You need to fight back when things seem unfair or suspect. They seem confident because they know they can trick you into accepting a bad deal.
My dad had his boss offer to fire him. My dad told him to go ahead, I’ll have another job at the end of the week and you’ll still be looking for another mechanic. Needless to say, he didn’t get fired 😂
And that's when they put you on 2 hours a week, from 3AM to 5AM on alternating Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
I've done the opposite - one job the older (63) boss retired and they brought in a man hating feminist woman who promptly started setting ridiculous goals and writing up the men for not meeting her goals...3 writeups and you can be fired for "cause". I was 3rd on her list so it took 6 months or so for her to start in on me - I'd pared my spending/increased savings and had been taking vacation days off here and there to go on interviews, had a verbal confirmation but no written offer yet when the last hit came.. walked in on a Tuesday morning with a resignation letter typed up and signed, she came in screaming at me for not kissing her behind basically - and I mean screaming (4 letter obscenities included, horribly inappropriate in front of other coworkers), I calmly handed her my resignation.
She actually got more angry, threatened she "should just fire" me instead of accepting my resignation - I just calmly said "let's see what HR thinks", and of course for just like you said they took my resignation rather than risk a potential lawsuit.
I had several months of bills saved, so I wasn't panicked, and as it happens literally the next day I received the written offer from the new job. I signed and returned it and said I needed to give 2 weeks notice - so I actually got 2 weeks off between jobs, the old job had to pay me for over a week of unused vacation time, so I actually only lost like 3 days pay, which I'd more than saved up for.
What they like to say is "Hey your not working out, if I fired you it will be a black mark on your record and I will have to tell your next employer I fired you, but if you resign I will just tell them it was mutual."
They can apparently say whether you are eligible for re-employment and thus dont have to say whether or not they fired you.
Yeah I went to my nursing manager once when I was 18 and admitted to having PTSD and that I was struggling on night shift by myself and needed help. She said "Well you can quit or we'll fire you." to me and I didn't know any better. I was in such a panic because I didn't know what was going on or that it was a protected disability that they have to accommodate somehow. I wish I'd have sued the pants off of her.
It's never too late to exact revenge.
Someone said that to me before, but I had already "quiet quit" and had found another job. Lol.
The US is so messed up, health insurance and UNEMPLOYMENT insurance is dependent on your EMPLOYER... how TF does either of that make sense.
Unemployment insurance doesn't depend on your employer (it's required by law and the premiums are paid to the government), but health insurance does. Which sucks. Our health insurance system is a mess. An expensive, complicated patchwork of health insurance companies, insurance policies, networks, etc., etc....
Didn't used to be that way. Once upon a time, a company offering group health insurance was a perk. You could either take it or leave it. Many companies offered it to part time workers. It was affordable. Deductibles and premiums were reasonable. Some places (and a very few some still do. My husband's job for one) covered your premium 100%. When the ACA happened all that changed. As a part time worker at my company i lost my insurance and had to go to the market place. Sky high deductible that barely covers anything. And "preventive care" being covered is a joke. You ask once simple question about an issue and they charge you for a diagnostic visit. Which of course isnt covered before deductible. And hardly any drs in my area accepted it.
I went back to full time and switched back to employer subsidized insurance which is so much better. Cheaper copays, lower deductible and almost everyone accepts it in my area. Plus my employer matches contributions to my hsa.
@@dozergetscraftyBut still, you are the mercy of an insurance policy as to what gets covered and if you lose your job you lose your health insurance. It is the worst healthcare system in the industrialized world.
Had the newly minted President of the company try to pull this shit with one of my employees for absolutely no reason. I stood by my employee and coached him in this exact manner telling him to stand his ground and do not, under any circumstances, resign if he didn't want to. Even had a consultant (20 year C-Level exec) backing us up.
My employee was very good at what he did, worked hard, was incredibly loyal to the company and didn't deserve to be treated like this. After six months the President was gone and my employee eventually replaced me when I left a few years later.
You did good.
I had management in a union workplace try to pull this on me. Union was useless as this place broke the collective agreement every day, i kept track and let the union know and they didnt do anything. I responded to management, saying in no uncertain terms, am I resigning. They also messaged me while I was using PTO. I thought about it and decided to quit because I knew they were short staffed and I already had another job. I found out months later they are still struggling with staffing issues and more people have followed my lead. Don't threaten your workers, especially when you can't afford to lose them
Don't fall for the "change in relationship" paper. Sign that and it's a wrap.
I've had the opposite issue where I wanted to leave the job and the boss refused.
I handed in my resignation and he threw at me and said "No, you are not going anywhere".
To get paid out what I was owed I had to resign not quit or get fired but in writing with 2 to 3 weeks notice.
He refused me several times, I was owed a few thousand at this point and I'd lose that money if I quit or got fired...they won't pay you a single cent.
I waited a few extra months for that dude to go on holiday for that month then I handed my resignation to the new boss and got accepted and paid out.
When other boss got back from holiday he was fuming mad he called to yell at me.
I hung up on him and blocked every number of all the authority positions of my old job. Lol
But… they can’t just not pay you your final paycheck. Just take it up with the state, and you’ll get your check reeeeeeal quick.
Now, sometimes in the most maliciously compliant way possible (the big bag of oiled pennies comes to mind) but you WILL get it.
Sounds like wage theft. There are lawyers that would love to take a case like that.
Another thing to look out for is when you go to mediation. Depending on the state, if you agree to mediation, any issue that is supposedly resolved in mediation, you can no longer hold the company responsible for. It's difficult for me to put into words, but essentially If your company does something terrible / illegal, and they want you to go to mediation instead of getting a lawyer, if you agree, or agree to anything in that mediation, you can no longer sue the company for anything that they've done even if it was illegal.
Be very careful what you agree to in mediation. There will be someone from HR there to act as a witness for the company. Not for you, for the company. My employer tried to apologize and wanted to "just put everything behind us and move forward". If I had agreed, they would no longer have been liable for any wrongdoing that took place. Then they would have been able to fire me for any reason, and I would not be able to sue them for the reason that we discussed in mediation. Luckily for me, I did my homework before approaching HR and the company director. Things worked out for me just fine. Read your local laws very carefully, and consult an attorney.
Had an employer try to play this with me...I demanded a letter of termination. I sat for 4 hours in the lobby... they threatened to call the police and have me trespassed. I said "fine. Call them". I got a letter saying I was "let go for lack of work" and given two weeks severance.
I made sure I let all my coworkers know. Very calmly and professionally.
When I was on leave, my bad boss spread a rumor that I was planning on quitting. He hated me and didnt even try to hide his contempt. HR hired a temp for my position while I was gone. Luckily, a co-worker told me what was being said about me. I immediately wrote the HR rep telling him that I heard the rumor and had no intention to quit and had not even thought of doing that. I was reassured that it was a common practice. That was a cya on his part. We had had other ppl go on leave for maternity and another for a serious illness. No Temps were hired for their positions. Luckily, that bad boss moved on not long after I returned.
Same thing happened to me but I was suspended fkmkr something the morning supervisors did. They started telling rumors that I was fired, then they started spreading rumors that I told on people who were drinking on the job. HR won't do shit, and the managers new. She's young and dumb and only believes the supervisors. I'm still on suspension after 7 weeks, but I currently at a better job
HR are full of BS. Often they will say what suits them the best based on what knowledge they assume you lack or have. In this case. It might be that they were listing to the rumors, but being called out for that afterwards and admitting it would make the look stupid. Wolla, nah, we dont do such, standard practice.
Sounds like my former big box lumber store in Wisconsin....
He cut me down to 5hrs a week to try to get me to quit.....
Funny he was "transferred " one day because of personal conflicts before he could get me to quit....
Ill never admit that i may have helped him to move to a new town &store without requesting it...
@@Lobos222 Sure you did......
@@greenghost6416 Learn to read. Your comment makes no sense in context of what I said. Let me guess, your application to a burger flipper joint was lost in the mail...
I work in Utah. My ex boss fired me because “ he just could see how unhappy I was” keep in mind my performance was great. I didn’t have any issues with anyone. I was just in his eyes not happy. Lost my 80K a year job.
You should really sue them or something
You got a better job now?
Yeah, you should have talked to a lawyer about that. If you didn't break policy or law I'd go after them for wrongful termination.
Sorry to hear that. I was expecting something else lol. A friend had a similar story but in a positive way. The company had changed management and the new bosses wanted to cut costs as much as possible. So they let go external contractors, and the salaried workers had to pick up the extra work but with the same pay. The strategy was to get most people to resign while the positions were relocated to cheap offshore contractors. Well, my friend's manager wasn't aboard this, so he fired his entire team, 15 people were let go with chunky severance packages
Right To Work = right to work for less. Workers in red states, stand up for yourselves.
"bad boss" maybe I'm fortunate, but I've had far more bad employees than bad bosses.
The president of our company stated he had an open door policy. I received a pitiful raise and talked to him directly since my boss (government) was not affiliated directly with my company (private). At first he was offended and had me come back (lawyer present) and said "I want you to resign". I apologized for offending him but refused to resign. This went on awhile. Eventually he asked my predecessor about my job and she backed me up. As a result, I received a second raise and transfer to a better job at corporate.
Whether they're asking or telling you to resign, don't! But I would recommend looking for a new employer if that's workable.
I would transfer a complainer also. Women.... I tell ya.
@@user-sz2px8pv3f “complaining”’ is when your boss tries to steal from you.
Company I drove for the boss Hogg had an open door policy as well until 1day a driver came in with a shotgun that was the last day of the open door policy
Only time I was told I was fired and could go home I told the guy he could t fire me…he left for about and hour and turns out I was right lol. Don’t let people intimidate.
Yeah i once was cohorsed into quiting a job at blockbuster...after a cluent tried to attack me because i was bussy handling the mess that the manager didnt close shop when we lose power a saturday....in retrospect i could have sued....but i was young....and stupid
I was recently fired because "we heard you are looking for another job. Your fired"
Don't quit, MAKE them fire you. It can be fun If you do it right! If they hate paying that unemployment tax, they will lie and pile on multiple reasons for firing you trying to cover ALL the bases. It becomes your word against theirs plus they almost always lose their cool and get hostile when you laugh at thier discipline efforts.. Once they do that, you got them. It's a trap for them!
Most businesses with an HR department have a tiered system of discipline that you sign when accepting employment. They normally lay out specific circumstances for immediate dismissal (firing). Some will even have you sign forms saying you were given a verbal warning. Then they can show the arbitration judge the documentation for termination with cause and avoid unemployment increases on their FUTA and SUTA tax rates.
@@Grabthar191 Sorry, what's that first tax rate called?
@@sumotacular3681 Federal Unemployment Tax . SUTA is State Unemployment Tax. (not to be confused with something perverted from Japan.) :P
@@Grabthar191 Hehehehehehehe
Every employee also pays into unemployment. Not just the employer.
@RedSaltMarine420 i've been on unenjoyment 2x in my life never stood still long enough to collect was on it 2 yrs under obama regime never been on it since
This is so much easier in Europe for the employee. I‘m allways astonished why Americans allow for capitalism to screw them this badly.
They have been brainwashed for 200 years that any objection to capitalism and business practices in general is Communism and Anti American. Combine that, with the fact that their politicians are hopelessly corrupt bagmen for corporations, and you have the worst environment for employees in the industrialized world.
If you resign willfully...and have turned in a "2 week notice."
The employer can immediately "accept your resignation" and not let you work the 2 weeks.
This is the only time I've seen bosses use that phrase. If you show up tomorrow they don't have to let you work...they have the documentation that you quit...in writting.
Moral of this story...don't give 2 weeks notice. Quit that day, in right to work states.
Call them on their BS and keep coming in until they have the balls to fire you
There are some ways to side step the "resigning" trap. In my resignation letter, I never said I was resigning. I said I was forced to leave and seek employment elsewhere out of duress due to the hostile work environment perpetuated by my employer. They initially fought my request for unemployment, but I requested a hearing. No one from work showed up, so the judge awarded me unemployment by default.
That's exactly how I worded my resignation. Found out later, that letter forced the employer to completely restructure it's policies! Yeah a win for the good!
Yep. I know a lot of retail jobs stipulate that if you "no call/no show" right before you would be fired it counts as a "resignation".