I'm writing this for anyone who thinks helmets are not necessary as I can't tell if your comment it a joke... When I hike, I will at most have a 5-6ft fall from my head to the ground. The speed of my fall can easily be handled by my arms and it's unlikely to actually damage my head. Imagine falling from vertical into a plank position, you can prevent yourself from slamming into the ground. You're much more likely to twist an ankle or pull a muscle when hiking. Head injuries are more rare. On a road bike, a fall at almost any speed can be fatal or life changing. While I average around 20-25 kmph, it's common to exceed 50 or 60 kmph at times and a head on collision at this speed without a helmet is almost impossible to survive. Imagine a brick being thrown at your head at 60 kmph...or imagine falling from a 2/3 storey building and trying to stop your fall with your arms....it's horrying to crash at speed on a bike and I apologise for creating this image. I have unfortunately been in a horrible cycling crash once in my life (no fault of my own) and my helmet likely saved my life, or at least my quality of life. The helmet shattered, cracked and crushed to absorb a huge amount of energy that otherwise would have gone directly into my skull and brain. I had a serious concussion but thankfully walked away. The helmet also absorbs rotational forces as well as direct impacts, which also helps protect the brain. Bike helmets are awesome, I care about you and hope you use one!
I've been using these for about 5 years and I love them. The bass isn't as pronounced but it's a nice trade off for being able to have a conversation while listening to a podcast or being able to just hear traffic around you while jamming, etc. you can also pop in some ear plugs and the bass will get better.
The occlusive effect of putting in earbuds with these really do enhance the bass. I only tried it once (when cutting the grass) and it was such an interesting experience. Thanks for sharing your experience too!
Fun thing to do with these: if you firmly press them on your elbow and press your hand on your ear, it feels like there's a party in your body like the one in Adventure Time!
Honestly I use them for these kinds of fun experiments only, since I've never been quite a fan of the sound quality. I tried lots of combinations like ankle to knee or teeth or whatever material I find around that conducts the sound. Everything turns into cool different filters/amplifiers. Anyone who spent time with a diaposon more than they should will get what I mean haha. Fun stuff the play with.
Nice to see a sound engineer making a review of these. I’ve been curious of the sound quality and if they would work when you record vocals in the studio. (To minimise bleed thru from monitors or ordinary headphones.)
I’ve often wondered about getting this type of headphone before but was unsure of the audio quality. Your EQ example was awesome and gives me confidence that this type of headphone can be used out in the wild … for me, that’s grocery shopping when I want to be aware of what’s around me. Thanks for this!
same, ever since owning my Aftershokz (started with Titanium now I have the OpenRun) I never leave the house without them. Had them for about 4-5 years and cant imagine living without a soundtrack 24/7 now. I also carry earplugs with me in case I do want to block out the world and get lost in the music.
They're too quiet. I had some, I had to push them deep into my temples HARD in order to hear much, and any nearby traffic or a strong wind produced too much noise to hear anything at all. So quiet!!! So the ones you have must be magic!!
That frequency adjustment demonstration was exactly what people need in a review about such devices. It would be interesting to see your opinion if Shokz are any better, and the pros/cons of air conduction with similar auditory sample comparison.
Thorough as usual. When you go to an audiologist (to get earplug impressions made) you can also have this bone conduction test and a bunch more done. Anyone serious about a life with music should do this at least once to baseline their hearing, and learn about hearing protection that works for your lifestyle. Good luck all.
I'm currently missing the 3 bones in my left middle ear so my hearing on that side is severely compromised at the moment. Thanks for doing a video about this and bringing it back to my attention. I had heard of this some years back when my hearing was better, but didn't consider it much at the time - I'll definitely be looking into this again and hope to try a set out somehow. Would be great to have some stereo back in my life cause right now everything is kind of mono and panned to my right!
I hope they work for you but given your unique situation I would definitely check with your doctor first. Hopefully these are safe for you to use and enjoy!
@inthemix Happy to see you're better Michael. My main takeaway from this video is how important fitness and health is in music production. Probably the best way to listen to music whilst riding is what Dom Whiting on TH-cam is doing, playing Drum & Bass on his bike. Have you seen his videos?
When I work out, if I use ear buds the sweat irritates my ear canals and I sometimes get ear zits which as you can imagine are, just as awful and terrible to deal with. I found a pair of these and was very impressed, only drawback is it doesn't block your ear so if you DONT want to hear your surroundings you do. 😅 Really cool that you made this video, I'm glad this information is going to get to a large audience who have maybe never heard of them that might be in a situation where they are tired of or don't like using using ear buds.
I am so glad you found a pair that worked out for you! Those ear canal spots/irritations are unfortunately very common when ears are plugged up. I previously thought my ear fatigue was due to the sound pressure but it was actually more likely the heat and sweat!
8:55 I know you did that as a joke with the three sunglasses, but as someone with near-sightedness who puts sunglasses over his normal glasses, I appreciate the demonstration :D
I never could have imagined that b roll shot would actually be helpful! Have you tried prescription sunglass lenses? I know they can be expensive and a pain to fit!
@@inthemix I had sunglasses with extra lenses years ago, but my eyes still got worse after that, so I live comfortably with glasses-stacking now :b Don't want to pay for extra sunglasses again.
I was using bone conduction headphones while in the army toom any years ago... this technology is not new to me at all 😂😂😂. you're description is excelent, by the way.
I bought a pair of Trekz Titanium bone conduction headphones some years ago in a running shop, and they're still working well and holding their charge. I use them all the time, even around the house when doing chores etc. so I can listen to podcasts and audiobooks. You're right about the bass cut, although I was intrigued to see the bass port idea and I wonder how much difference that would make. The guy who sold me mine was hearing impaired, and actually had bone conduction implants. His hearing aid consisted of a pickup device that plugged into a socket on his skull. He showed me, and it was amazing, like he was a kind of cyborg :) He said it had really changed his life to be able to hear so clearly. I guess he must have had a middle ear issue of some kind but his inner ear worked perfectly so it was a good solution for him.
Shokz make them too. None are going to work for audio production because they sound different depending on where you place them each time you put them on.
Thanks for this video. I have a decent pair of over-ear Bluetooth "ear buds" but haven't been using them because they interfered with hearing ambient sounds. I have three dogs who like to go in different directions when we walk. I live in the centre-ville of a resort town. Lots of people and cars that I need to be aware of to keep my puppers safe. I went back and forth, but finally decided on the Sonic model. I just ordered them from Amazon France for 139 € (discounted price for the Lime color; the Black model was 155 €). Delivery scheduled for tomorrow. I am SO looking forward to listening to music again for the 2 hours per day we spend on walks. Thanks again.
I have tried the Shokz lineup and can say they sound very "inside your head" to me. I don't think it's just the fit. I hope that for the price the Suunto are indeed a step up from them.I really prefer an unbranded set that I got on Ebay and am still curious who will come out with a review and just say "better than shok......
I was eyeing some TWS earbuds, but I've never been sold on the pass through features of them. Maybe this would make an interesting alternative, I'll be checking some different brands, models and reviews and maybe try them out. Thanks for your work over the last few videos with the focus on health and different experiences, bone journee!
"your bones are wet, just think about how wet your bones are... wet wet wet little bones..." th-cam.com/video/IT6JjvbFuaU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e_Zh-gZGvBqGc7AW&t=88
Try to work on your bone density first, then focus on proper ear to bone coordination and conductivity will come with time, enjoy your audiophilic journey
I also use bone-conductive headphones. I likes to use them also when working in the office. It is great, that coworkers can approach me and I can hear them.
@@inthemix I don't understand how you could possibly hear anything when the ones I had were drowned out by the subtle rumbles of traffic, literally any external noise and I couldn't hear anything at max volume.
i suffer the same problem as you did, even got 'swimmers ear' last summer because I sweat so much, this is perfect. I'd heard of them but never tried them as I was worried they were a gimmick.
"The auricle (pinna) is the visible portion of the outer ear. It collects sound waves and channels them into the ear canal (external auditory meatus), where the sound is amplified."
I appreciate your review, I am sorry for being so late, but just catching up. I am looking for open ear headphones and my baseline is the shokz open fit air. I think they sound great, but the openrun pro 2 sound bad. I do not think that is a product issue, but a me issue where they expect people's heads to be bigger than mine, so as I use it the position chances and it does not sound good. I am just detailing this to see if you have a bone conduction suggestion without the head band, so we could also enjoy some of the benefits of this.
I have for almost ten years used Shokz bone-conducting headphones for listening to audio books while exercising. The quality is fine for speech but not for music.
This is perfect for me! I have damaged ears, so I *shouldn't* wear earplugs or headphones straight up- but I also have auditory processing issues that are like super senses and way worse so I choose pain over that. I am *GETTING THESE* It is exactly what I need.
Had a recent hearing test, part of it used bone conduction. Very out of head sounds possible, very cool, albeit not the same as this tech for pricing of course.
With the sonic version, the one with the speaker, will others be able to hear what you're listening to? I would like these for work, but I don't want my colleagues to hear what im listening to.
That's nice, I can't really stand earbuds, and can't use the big headphone outside, so this seems like a perfect alternative. For the bass, maybe you can pair it with a subpac (not the best though)
How do you think they would work on stage? So, instead of using in-ear monitors use these bone conducting ones. Do you think that is a viable application
Ah yes... of course... if it was using traditional transmitters and frequencies do you think it would work? IEM's just really disconnect people even with Ambient microphones... so I wonder if this is a direction that monitoring could go so that you'd always have your actual ears and then could hear on top of that
I have checked, you are right it does not appear to be working. I have contacted Suunto and will await a fix. I am sure they will honour the discount if you reach to them but I appreciate your patience!
Hey Michael, Thanks for the review. One thing I've been curious about is how much 'noise leak' would you say these have? For example, if someone were to wear these out in public, be it at the local gym, or wearing it in a subway or train or on a plane, is there noticeable noise leak that you could hear music playing on someone who is next to you, 5 feet away, etc.? I've been interested in these types of headphones, but also feel like I don't want to become part of the noise pollution problem in public of subjecting others to my music out loud. Any thoughts on how much noise others would pick up around you if you wear these in more public areas? Like would this be acceptable for cycling but rude to be sitting next to someone on public transportation with? Thanks in advance.
Great question! I wish I had addressed this in the video. At normal listening volumes there will be some noise bleed. I think 5ft away in a gym would be okay but you would hear it when sat next to someone. I noticed that better fit resulted in less noise leak.
True. Me and my daughter paid our first visit to your amazing country September / October and had nothing but sunshine and clear skies. Well.. it did throw it down on the day we flew home to Finland from Aberdeen. So, we weren't left disapointed, but.., well.. more rain and mist is what we were hoping for.
You should test some kinda haptic system like a SubPac, I've wanted to get one of those bass kickers for awhile just because they're alot cheaper (those aren't portable though). I think there's alot of potential for haptic technology in sound. Like haptics in phones for instance (because they lack low end)
Neat video. Just bought them and wanted them to work but I do not understand that product. I am not audiophile at all but they sound like a very old tape. Very flat, unpleasant tinny, like through a funnel. I do not like the sensation or that vibration shortcut through the bone either. Sad to return them after 5 minutes. Like the looks of it though and the fit.
I'm looking for BC headphone or open ear one that has 3.5 aux in (or at lest usb input, not just charging). Do you know if anyone produces such models?
EQ helps but unfortunately the lower frequency vibrations can never have enough energy to create the same fullness as regular headphones without excessive vibration against the face (in my experience). I did think that EQ improved them though. I think everyone should eq any headphones or speakers to suit them!
I've been curious about these for years but never tried them out...how do you think they would hold up using them under a motorbike helmet for calls and navigation?
I have a feeling that a motorbike helmet might press into them or the head band at the back of the neck. I have never worn a motorcycle helmet but I imagine they have to be pretty snug to be protective?
Your helmet may cover the mic..Shokz open com with the boom mic may even cancel enough wind noize. .I've heard the Air conduction sunglasses (Bose..) sound good and fit well under a bike helmet.
Clip on headphones(I like panasonic rphz47) are a cheap alternative that are more ergonomic/less sound fatigue for like $15 if you dont have $100+ for music
I never buy any product were i can't see the price first and what's the bass like because its false advertising on there site when they say enhanced bass
The price is open to see on any website that sells them and I mention the price in this video. The focus was more on the technology and how they improve my quality of life.
@@inthemix I can't see it though all there is is a buy now and and then it leads to in your country i know you mentioned the price as always a great vid though
Cool tech for sure but I don't want to deal with batteries dying after a year of use. Give me a Wired version for cheaper and I'll be glad to benchmark it against my loved iem.
That is a valid concern, I am 6 months in now and the battery life appears to be the same as the start. I just did a 15 hour ride using them on and off and they survived :)
Hello sir, I saw Your videos and that was Very Nice.. Could You Please teach a Advance Vocal Processing Technic with FL Studio Stock Plugins...If You Show Me How To Do Advance Vocal Processing That Will be very nice for me.. Thank You Sir.
I think you failed to emphasize one very important point for these considering what your channel is about. Can you recommend these solely for listening to music? You answered the most important question; how does the music sound. But what it actually means in practice? What I mean is that when your ears are open to everything, how does that "everything" interact with the music? Does one drown out the other? Does it depend on the volume of either the headphones or outside sounds? How the volume affect these, especially the frequency response and how loud these even go? I hope to get a bit more in-depth analysis from these on that front! I think you'd be the first qualified sound engineer to ever having done that, if you will.
To answer that question as simply as possible, it is like any other frequency masking situation. If you were to have a lot of midrange in your envious around you, the songs midrange will be less easy to hear clearly. Other than that, the outside world doesn’t interact with the sound at all from what I can hear!
These bone conduction headphones seem to be a bit of a con. They are described as having a transducer which sends vibrations to the cochlea via the jaw bone. This implies they are silent unless they are in contact with your bones. Actually though there is no transducer, but a loudspeaker in a sealed waterproof coating. Sound waves are thus transmitted in two ways, through bone and through air. In other words, they can be heard by nearby people. Also, the frequency response is very limited, they sound very thin. I bought two expensive pairs and sent them both back. Michael, why are you supporting this con?
Why do you wear a helmet when you’re biking but not when you’re hiking?
I'm writing this for anyone who thinks helmets are not necessary as I can't tell if your comment it a joke...
When I hike, I will at most have a 5-6ft fall from my head to the ground. The speed of my fall can easily be handled by my arms and it's unlikely to actually damage my head. Imagine falling from vertical into a plank position, you can prevent yourself from slamming into the ground. You're much more likely to twist an ankle or pull a muscle when hiking. Head injuries are more rare.
On a road bike, a fall at almost any speed can be fatal or life changing. While I average around 20-25 kmph, it's common to exceed 50 or 60 kmph at times and a head on collision at this speed without a helmet is almost impossible to survive. Imagine a brick being thrown at your head at 60 kmph...or imagine falling from a 2/3 storey building and trying to stop your fall with your arms....it's horrying to crash at speed on a bike and I apologise for creating this image.
I have unfortunately been in a horrible cycling crash once in my life (no fault of my own) and my helmet likely saved my life, or at least my quality of life. The helmet shattered, cracked and crushed to absorb a huge amount of energy that otherwise would have gone directly into my skull and brain. I had a serious concussion but thankfully walked away. The helmet also absorbs rotational forces as well as direct impacts, which also helps protect the brain.
Bike helmets are awesome, I care about you and hope you use one!
For anyone who needs more convincing how awesome helmets are in general: Search for the video "I love helmets"
@@MartinRennerI pretty much experienced something similar a few weeks after watching that video while snowboarding. Helmets are awesome!
Helmet for hiking? First time I hear about this and I really do hope you are joking 😅
@@strixcz You joke, but a small rock from twenty meters above is enough to end your music career. Along with the whole "living" thing.
Every video from you is so professional, informative and entertaining regardless of the topic. This one is no exception. Thank you.
Thank you!
More than the headphones, it was lovely to see you outdoors cycling and running. Beautiful greenery too! Thanks for this video.
Thanks, I've been trying to enjoy being outside more. Espeically since my last video!
+1 to learning more about Michael's life: he likes cycling
This is an awesome review. Never regretted subscribing to In The Mix.
I never thought anyone might care but I think it’s good to share some of the things I enjoy :)
@@inthemixwe care
Really liked the style of this video! And thanks for letting us know these exist.
Thank you. I had a lot of fun making it and think it’s a pretty good way to showcase new technologies or products.
I've been using these for about 5 years and I love them. The bass isn't as pronounced but it's a nice trade off for being able to have a conversation while listening to a podcast or being able to just hear traffic around you while jamming, etc. you can also pop in some ear plugs and the bass will get better.
The occlusive effect of putting in earbuds with these really do enhance the bass. I only tried it once (when cutting the grass) and it was such an interesting experience.
Thanks for sharing your experience too!
Fun thing to do with these: if you firmly press them on your elbow and press your hand on your ear, it feels like there's a party in your body like the one in Adventure Time!
It’s especially good with 360 by Charlie xcx. I thought your comment was a joke but it’s such a crazy sound that creates!
Honestly I use them for these kinds of fun experiments only, since I've never been quite a fan of the sound quality. I tried lots of combinations like ankle to knee or teeth or whatever material I find around that conducts the sound. Everything turns into cool different filters/amplifiers. Anyone who spent time with a diaposon more than they should will get what I mean haha. Fun stuff the play with.
@@inthemixlove that album!
@@mrlm4818 I can’t get over it
Nice to see a sound engineer making a review of these. I’ve been curious of the sound quality and if they would work when you record vocals in the studio. (To minimise bleed thru from monitors or ordinary headphones.)
Thanks! I don’t think these could be used for vocal recording as the Bluetooth latency might be too high.
@@inthemixAh, I didn’t think of that. 😁
I’ve often wondered about getting this type of headphone before but was unsure of the audio quality. Your EQ example was awesome and gives me confidence that this type of headphone can be used out in the wild … for me, that’s grocery shopping when I want to be aware of what’s around me. Thanks for this!
Something to consider... Thank you for the review!
ive used bone-conducting headphones for years, they litterally are the best. I couldnt go back to regular earbuds now
same, ever since owning my Aftershokz (started with Titanium now I have the OpenRun) I never leave the house without them. Had them for about 4-5 years and cant imagine living without a soundtrack 24/7 now. I also carry earplugs with me in case I do want to block out the world and get lost in the music.
They're too quiet. I had some, I had to push them deep into my temples HARD in order to hear much, and any nearby traffic or a strong wind produced too much noise to hear anything at all. So quiet!!! So the ones you have must be magic!!
@@johnwest6690 maybe you have thick skull
That frequency adjustment demonstration was exactly what people need in a review about such devices. It would be interesting to see your opinion if Shokz are any better, and the pros/cons of air conduction with similar auditory sample comparison.
Very cool! always loved the idea of headphones where I coould still here stuff when camping/biking/hiking.
As usual, great video from you! Unique and informative :)
FOUR pairs of sunglasses at the same time looks hilarious
Code works on Amazon in US. Ordered Sonic. Thanks!
Always top notch videos!! Waiting however for more music stuff. I'm really missing the FL and sound design tutorials.
More on the way soon. Unfortunately I’ve been quite unwell for a few weeks now and just getting back to it :)
@@inthemix I'm sorry to hear that :( Take all the time u need and don't forget to take care of yourself!!
Thorough as usual. When you go to an audiologist (to get earplug impressions made) you can also have this bone conduction test and a bunch more done. Anyone serious about a life with music should do this at least once to baseline their hearing, and learn about hearing protection that works for your lifestyle. Good luck all.
I'm currently missing the 3 bones in my left middle ear so my hearing on that side is severely compromised at the moment. Thanks for doing a video about this and bringing it back to my attention. I had heard of this some years back when my hearing was better, but didn't consider it much at the time - I'll definitely be looking into this again and hope to try a set out somehow. Would be great to have some stereo back in my life cause right now everything is kind of mono and panned to my right!
I hope they work for you but given your unique situation I would definitely check with your doctor first.
Hopefully these are safe for you to use and enjoy!
how are these versus the Shokz brand?
@inthemix Happy to see you're better Michael. My main takeaway from this video is how important fitness and health is in music production. Probably the best way to listen to music whilst riding is what Dom Whiting on TH-cam is doing, playing Drum & Bass on his bike. Have you seen his videos?
I am going to check those out today!
I've heard of these but ive never thought to give them a try. Thanks so much for the video! I really want to try the sonic ones
Now this is something pretty unique!
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Not really they've been around for ages, check out Shokz they are better
When I work out, if I use ear buds the sweat irritates my ear canals and I sometimes get ear zits which as you can imagine are, just as awful and terrible to deal with.
I found a pair of these and was very impressed, only drawback is it doesn't block your ear so if you DONT want to hear your surroundings you do. 😅
Really cool that you made this video, I'm glad this information is going to get to a large audience who have maybe never heard of them that might be in a situation where they are tired of or don't like using using ear buds.
I am so glad you found a pair that worked out for you! Those ear canal spots/irritations are unfortunately very common when ears are plugged up.
I previously thought my ear fatigue was due to the sound pressure but it was actually more likely the heat and sweat!
8:55 I know you did that as a joke with the three sunglasses, but as someone with near-sightedness who puts sunglasses over his normal glasses, I appreciate the demonstration :D
I never could have imagined that b roll shot would actually be helpful!
Have you tried prescription sunglass lenses? I know they can be expensive and a pain to fit!
@@inthemix I had sunglasses with extra lenses years ago, but my eyes still got worse after that, so I live comfortably with glasses-stacking now :b
Don't want to pay for extra sunglasses again.
@@MartinRennerthat sounds a lot more cost effective. Makes sense!
@@inthemix Leaves more money for sound libraries.
I was recently torn between going with Nank or Shokz, very helpful video.👍
I was using bone conduction headphones while in the army toom any years ago... this technology is not new to me at all 😂😂😂. you're description is excelent, by the way.
I bought a pair of Trekz Titanium bone conduction headphones some years ago in a running shop, and they're still working well and holding their charge. I use them all the time, even around the house when doing chores etc. so I can listen to podcasts and audiobooks. You're right about the bass cut, although I was intrigued to see the bass port idea and I wonder how much difference that would make. The guy who sold me mine was hearing impaired, and actually had bone conduction implants. His hearing aid consisted of a pickup device that plugged into a socket on his skull. He showed me, and it was amazing, like he was a kind of cyborg :) He said it had really changed his life to be able to hear so clearly. I guess he must have had a middle ear issue of some kind but his inner ear worked perfectly so it was a good solution for him.
Shokz make them too. None are going to work for audio production because they sound different depending on where you place them each time you put them on.
Thanks for this video. I have a decent pair of over-ear Bluetooth "ear buds" but haven't been using them because they interfered with hearing ambient sounds. I have three dogs who like to go in different directions when we walk. I live in the centre-ville of a resort town. Lots of people and cars that I need to be aware of to keep my puppers safe. I went back and forth, but finally decided on the Sonic model. I just ordered them from Amazon France for 139 € (discounted price for the Lime color; the Black model was 155 €). Delivery scheduled for tomorrow. I am SO looking forward to listening to music again for the 2 hours per day we spend on walks. Thanks again.
That’s amazing! I’ve also enjoyed listening to podcasts when walking my puppy, although I do switch them off when playing with him of course.
I have tried the Shokz lineup and can say they sound very "inside your head" to me. I don't think it's just the fit. I hope that for the price the Suunto are indeed a step up from them.I really prefer an unbranded set that I got on Ebay and am still curious who will come out with a review and just say "better than shok......
great contents, seems like ur enjoying it lol good to see
This one was fun I’ll admit. I am trying to make content that fits into my life a little closer.
8:56 you're setting a trend for double sunglasses 😎🤣 I'm intrigued by how those headphones sound, I'm definitely gonna try them
Triple sunglasses is the way.
I was eyeing some TWS earbuds, but I've never been sold on the pass through features of them. Maybe this would make an interesting alternative, I'll be checking some different brands, models and reviews and maybe try them out. Thanks for your work over the last few videos with the focus on health and different experiences, bone journee!
Pass through is much better than nothing but, like you, I haven’t been convinced yet!
For a head-start on your journey into bone conduction, save a little $ and consider a G7 or Mairdi
Does the led continually stay on or blink while connected, if so can the led be disabled?
I don't think my bones are very conductive
I honestly cannot think of a good response…
"your bones are wet, just think about how wet your bones are... wet wet wet little bones..." th-cam.com/video/IT6JjvbFuaU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e_Zh-gZGvBqGc7AW&t=88
You can get blue pills for that😅
Jus turn on the sensitivity.
Try to work on your bone density first, then focus on proper ear to bone coordination and conductivity will come with time, enjoy your audiophilic journey
Just a heads up, the discount code did not work for me on their website. Both options look fantastic. Thanks for the video!
They are now working. They can be used on the US Amazon store.
It applies to their US Amazon store "Suunto US".
Why did you choose the sonics?
I also use bone-conductive headphones. I likes to use them also when working in the office. It is great, that coworkers can approach me and I can hear them.
They are much more social when around other people. I like that I can hear other cyclists as we pass each other.
@@inthemix I don't understand how you could possibly hear anything when the ones I had were drowned out by the subtle rumbles of traffic, literally any external noise and I couldn't hear anything at max volume.
@@johnwest6690 I think it must be different depending on your anatomy but do you mind me asking which model you tried?
i suffer the same problem as you did, even got 'swimmers ear' last summer because I sweat so much, this is perfect. I'd heard of them but never tried them as I was worried they were a gimmick.
That’s rough, I hope the ear is better now?
Bone conduction definitely sounds different but it leaves the ears feeling so fresh.
Were you using the mic of the headphones when you were biking?
You really did try them with a few pairs of sunglasses, literally😂😂
Got to be thorough!
Appreciate the dedication man 👍 @@inthemix
"The auricle (pinna) is the visible portion of the outer ear. It collects sound waves and channels them into the ear canal (external auditory meatus), where the sound is amplified."
Saw the title and i was like
THE WHAT?
My first thought when I saw these too.
Proper review mate
Thanks for letting me know about these types of headphones also exist with such incredible technology. 😁
No worries Prashant!
@@inthemix I am thankful to you for creating such a great channel that keeps me growing and learning in mixing. ❤️😊
I appreciate your review, I am sorry for being so late, but just catching up. I am looking for open ear headphones and my baseline is the shokz open fit air. I think they sound great, but the openrun pro 2 sound bad. I do not think that is a product issue, but a me issue where they expect people's heads to be bigger than mine, so as I use it the position chances and it does not sound good. I am just detailing this to see if you have a bone conduction suggestion without the head band, so we could also enjoy some of the benefits of this.
Gosh I feel like I'm watching a good BBC documentary with your bicycle footage.
I have the same issue with earbuds. Only the ones with wing tips / fins can actually stay in somewhat.
Excellent video, you covered all aspects. Thank you.
These are really awesome..🔥🔥🙌
These are now in the Amazon Prime Uk sale! Just came back to the video to check your recommendations😎
I recently brought good noise cancellating earpods and now i wanna buy the opposite 😂
Have you ever tried those vests with subwoofers in them? These kinda remind me of those
Which one would be best for talking on the phone? When you film your video, do you use a mic?
The best part about bone conduction headphones, by far, is the ability to listen to music or podcasts while wearing earplugs.
A MAAP boy I see, dope sweater too
MAAP works well for people with really long arms and a short torso. Really good quality stuff. Sort of a “buy once cry once” piece 😂
I have for almost ten years used Shokz bone-conducting headphones for listening to audio books while exercising. The quality is fine for speech but not for music.
This is perfect for me! I have damaged ears, so I *shouldn't* wear earplugs or headphones straight up- but I also have auditory processing issues that are like super senses and way worse so I choose pain over that. I am *GETTING THESE* It is exactly what I need.
could there be a bone conduction headphone with studio reference sound?
Which is the best for gaming
what your hair care routine? looks amazing
Had a recent hearing test, part of it used bone conduction. Very out of head sounds possible, very cool, albeit not the same as this tech for pricing of course.
Promo codes don't work in the US as of now
Thank you for letting me know. I am getting it sorted and will update soon!
They are now working. They can be used on the US Amazon store.
Thank you!
Can the battery be replaced by the user, 10 years from now if needed?
With the sonic version, the one with the speaker, will others be able to hear what you're listening to? I would like these for work, but I don't want my colleagues to hear what im listening to.
All bone conduction headphones do leak some sound, they will not be 100% private. I think regular pass through ear buds would be better for working.
That's nice, I can't really stand earbuds, and can't use the big headphone outside, so this seems like a perfect alternative. For the bass, maybe you can pair it with a subpac (not the best though)
I've yet to try a subpac but I hear they are the best thing since sliced bread!
You can get a lil extra bass by also wearing ear-cups :) Earplugs tend to give all-bass
I might cop these at some point cause from your reaction they look fire ash
How do you think they would work on stage?
So, instead of using in-ear monitors use these bone conducting ones.
Do you think that is a viable application
I don’t think regular Bluetooth is going to have a stable enough latency to work for stage work.
Ah yes... of course... if it was using traditional transmitters and frequencies do you think it would work?
IEM's just really disconnect people even with Ambient microphones... so I wonder if this is a direction that monitoring could go so that you'd always have your actual ears and then could hear on top of that
In-ears are also used to block out a lot of sound. So you'd also have to wear headphones on top of them to avoid hearing damage.
The discount code for the sonic model isnt valid
I have checked, you are right it does not appear to be working. I have contacted Suunto and will await a fix. I am sure they will honour the discount if you reach to them but I appreciate your patience!
They are now working. They can be used on the US Amazon store.
It applies to their US Amazon store "Suunto US".
Which one you like it
Sonic or wing ??
I really enjoyed your tutorials....❤❤❤
Thank you. I’m glad they helped.
Hey Michael,
Thanks for the review. One thing I've been curious about is how much 'noise leak' would you say these have? For example, if someone were to wear these out in public, be it at the local gym, or wearing it in a subway or train or on a plane, is there noticeable noise leak that you could hear music playing on someone who is next to you, 5 feet away, etc.?
I've been interested in these types of headphones, but also feel like I don't want to become part of the noise pollution problem in public of subjecting others to my music out loud. Any thoughts on how much noise others would pick up around you if you wear these in more public areas? Like would this be acceptable for cycling but rude to be sitting next to someone on public transportation with? Thanks in advance.
Great question! I wish I had addressed this in the video.
At normal listening volumes there will be some noise bleed. I think 5ft away in a gym would be okay but you would hear it when sat next to someone.
I noticed that better fit resulted in less noise leak.
This guy always has something interesting to say lol
Does it rain much in Scotland?
Michael great vid as always. Thanks.
One of the driest, hottest climates in the world I think?
True. Me and my daughter paid our first visit to your amazing country September / October and had nothing but sunshine and clear skies.
Well.. it did throw it down on the day we flew home to Finland from Aberdeen.
So, we weren't left disapointed, but.., well.. more rain and mist is what we were hoping for.
There’s no for UK ?!
I was so surprised to see you on the beyerdynamic website
Oh, was that for the DT Pro C range?
@@inthemix It was on the impedance guide
Interesting! Is there any bleed using them?
Yes there is some bleed around you, it’s hard to notice it outside but indoors other people sitting next to you might hear your music quietly.
You should test some kinda haptic system like a SubPac, I've wanted to get one of those bass kickers for awhile just because they're alot cheaper (those aren't portable though). I think there's alot of potential for haptic technology in sound. Like haptics in phones for instance (because they lack low end)
I have had quite a few suggestions for this, it might be time to try it!
Neat video. Just bought them and wanted them to work but I do not understand that product. I am not audiophile at all but they sound like a very old tape. Very flat, unpleasant tinny, like through a funnel. I do not like the sensation or that vibration shortcut through the bone either. Sad to return them after 5 minutes. Like the looks of it though and the fit.
Hum! Bone conduction?
Reminds me the Black Mirror episode and wow now this. Next, neural meta verse bone conduction.
I'm looking for BC headphone or open ear one that has 3.5 aux in (or at lest usb input, not just charging).
Do you know if anyone produces such models?
Can you EQ them to get the bass on par with other headphones?
EQ helps but unfortunately the lower frequency vibrations can never have enough energy to create the same fullness as regular headphones without excessive vibration against the face (in my experience). I did think that EQ improved them though. I think everyone should eq any headphones or speakers to suit them!
I want to go for a walk and interact with strangers while wearing these and listening to TES IV Oblivion soundtrack.
I wonder if strangers would sound more like npcs with that running constantly in your head...
@@inthemix😂😂
I've been curious about these for years but never tried them out...how do you think they would hold up using them under a motorbike helmet for calls and navigation?
I have a feeling that a motorbike helmet might press into them or the head band at the back of the neck. I have never worn a motorcycle helmet but I imagine they have to be pretty snug to be protective?
@@inthemix That was my fear, that the conductors themselves might stick out too far and create pressure...back to the buds it is then...cheers mate
@@wreckronomic6663yeah I think that might be safer and more comfortable. Be safe out there mate.
Your helmet may cover the mic..Shokz open com with the boom mic may even cancel enough wind noize. .I've heard the Air conduction sunglasses (Bose..) sound good and fit well under a bike helmet.
Is there no wired version?
I am not aware of a wired bone conduction model.
Clip on headphones(I like panasonic rphz47) are a cheap alternative that are more ergonomic/less sound fatigue for like $15 if you dont have $100+ for music
They don’t allow you to hear the world around you though. I have tried those and they fall right off my ears.
"it's not to scale" I would hope not O_O
I was anticipating the comments like “but that has so far to travel through the bone!” 😂
I never buy any product were i can't see the price first and what's the bass like because its false advertising on there site when they say enhanced bass
The price is open to see on any website that sells them and I mention the price in this video. The focus was more on the technology and how they improve my quality of life.
@@inthemix I can't see it though all there is is a buy now and and then it leads to in your country i know you mentioned the price as always a great vid though
I love them for work meetings, but they typically have no bass. Very tinny.
YOOO this is a gamechanger for playing VR
I haven't tried VR yet but I imagine this would be good if you were playing with many people in the same room...
the discount codes do not work
They are now working. They can be used on the US Amazon store.
It applies to the US Amazon Store "Suunto US".
They are working now on the US Amazon store (linked in the description)
Cool tech for sure but I don't want to deal with batteries dying after a year of use.
Give me a Wired version for cheaper and I'll be glad to benchmark it against my loved iem.
That is a valid concern, I am 6 months in now and the battery life appears to be the same as the start. I just did a 15 hour ride using them on and off and they survived :)
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I think you failed to emphasize one very important point for these considering what your channel is about. Can you recommend these solely for listening to music?
You answered the most important question; how does the music sound. But what it actually means in practice? What I mean is that when your ears are open to everything, how does that "everything" interact with the music? Does one drown out the other? Does it depend on the volume of either the headphones or outside sounds? How the volume affect these, especially the frequency response and how loud these even go?
I hope to get a bit more in-depth analysis from these on that front! I think you'd be the first qualified sound engineer to ever having done that, if you will.
To answer that question as simply as possible, it is like any other frequency masking situation. If you were to have a lot of midrange in your envious around you, the songs midrange will be less easy to hear clearly.
Other than that, the outside world doesn’t interact with the sound at all from what I can hear!
These bone conduction headphones seem to be a bit of a con. They are described as having a transducer which sends vibrations to the cochlea via the jaw bone. This implies they are silent unless they are in contact with your bones. Actually though there is no transducer, but a loudspeaker in a sealed waterproof coating. Sound waves are thus transmitted in two ways, through bone and through air. In other words, they can be heard by nearby people.
Also, the frequency response is very limited, they sound very thin.
I bought two expensive pairs and sent them both back.
Michael, why are you supporting this con?
i have both and i once put on my bc and earbuds at the same time, playing the same song and it was .....interesting
I‘m a wearer of glasses and can‘t figure out how those things would *not* interfere with the temples.
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Gee, you certainly don't sound like a Scotsman, talking about sounds! Nice video, thanks!