You forgot that if Mars had an iron core it would also have plate tectonics of some kind and the 3 major volcanos would be active, most likely in cycles. Also Humanity wouldn't have the greatest question of all time: "Are we alone?"
How does the iron core create tectonics? We have tectonics due to the crust being "broken" into many pieces, these pieces "float" on the asthenosphere, so, as long as it is hot enough, for a "plastic" liquid" like asthenosphere you dont need an iron core. To add even more, Mars does have an iron core, his point was, that if you were to remove the hydrogen in the core, it might make it possible for the iron and nickel to create a magnetic field. Even if Mars had tectonics, the volcanos on mars are due to Hotspots in the asthenosphere, if Mars had tectonics, these Hot spots would move and make the volcanos inactive, making a volcano the size of mount olympus impossible.
If Mars had plate tectonics, those 3 volcanos would not have grown as big, as tectonic movements would have shifted them off the hotspot, slowing down their growth. They may well have ended up smaller than Earth's major shield volcanos like Mauna Kea.
How would these tectonic plates look like? Cause im working on a Project where Mars never died and being a Seedworld. This includes realistic Plate tectonics
One thing I would imagine is that the Martian landscape would actually be very different - you can very clearly see the asteroid impacts, which would be far less visible or not present at all if Mars had an atmosphere that could support life.
The coastline in particular would've been eroded quite a bit. The seas and coastlines would probably still be in the same general regions, but the coastlines would be shaped differently. Without tectonic activity, and with the planet being much drier, many more craters would've survived than here on Earth. The Yarrabubba impact structure here on Earth for instance has survived more than 2 billion years just because that piece of crust wasn't swallowed up by the mantle. So yeah, it would look different. But still much more cratered than Earth, and probably still somewhat similar to the map I made.
If mars kept its atmosphere and oceans, then it’s likely that the impact craters would have eroded a lot (even if its atmosphere would be quite thinner)
@@zhcultivator, The Abbasid caliphate will not industrialize because they stop making progress for unknown reasons but who cares, if they still progress, the whole world will be in a different state. And Venus must be little nearer or share the same orbit as Earth to habitable.
Sir David Attenborough, the leading member of the International Martian Exploration Society. I can imagine him in a hazmat suit (as to not disturb the martian environment) researching all the new species and broadcasting it all on the BBC. Now that's a documentary I would love to watch!
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In my honest opinion, if Venus was habitable, either life on Venus would evolve faster than life on earth (resulting in intelligent life being birthed on Venus before Earth) which would result in either a solar system where both Humanity and the people of Venus fight over the solar system's resources, or the people of Venus colonizing Earth before Humanity is advanced enough to fight back
@@GotMyTowel42I'm pretty sure EU would help east African Federation (because it's literally EU but with african states in it) while i absolutely sure that China (because they want monopoly on investments on African continent) would make all to ruin this federation apart , if they try make own currency for Africa maybe USA would also be against them , but not as much as china
A benefit of Mars being almost exclusively desert, would be that mining would not disturb the ecosystem that much. And there would be plenty of barren land available for manufacturing and vast solar power generation fields
@anbu1157 humanities hell dwells in the hearts and minds of all living humans that aspire to do well in your civilization, no matter where you go, there the potential for hell is. There's no escape from the consequences of your society's choices.
@@seanhewitt603 I'm so tired of seeing immature misanthropic and pessimistic comments like this on every fucking science video. You wouldn't be here whining about humans being "typical" on the internet if it weren't for mining and manufacturing. OP is literally even concerned about minimizing his ecological impact, yet you STILL find a way to cry over it. I don't see you crying about all the mining, manufacturing, and deep sea cables that made your stupid holier-than-thou comment on the internet possible. Stop crying over fictional mining on Mars. If you hate humanity and progress that much, how about you start with yourself? Maybe I'll follow your lead, oh wise one.
No its our india We call it bharat varsh which is literally can said bharat verse! As per our very very old ancient history our hindu rulers ruled entire cosmos including mars and kasi and varanaasi as the capital cities of the cosmos! Proof is that ypu can see an ancient temple on mars!!! But western world and muslims suppressed our glory! Proud to be an indian !! Jai shree ram
That is true. A massive amount of the technology we have here today, is almost exclusively due to the space race. The only war that was waged on the basis of technology and pride, not killing people. We need a new war. A war to colonize the moon. We need to bring back Nazi-levels of nationalism, but a liberal level of sanctity of life. Not sure what we do even these days. We should really just start building shit for the sake of it. The romans had their grand projects they built simply because thats what makes life worth living. We must do the same. If we dont, were just gonna fade into irrelevancy.
Coal is from the Carboniferous because it related to a very specific type of large scaled tree that has since gone extinct. Oil has nothing to do with the Carboniferous. Most oil comes from small photosynthesizers like plankton and algae. The vast majority of oil formation was after the Paleozoic Era (which the Carboniferous was during the later end of)
I covered a good amount of topics in this video, so I'm not surprised I missed something, appreciate the comment. From what I can gather 90% of natural gas and oil formation happened between 10-180 million years ago. Mars is also much smaller than Earth. So perhaps that could still mean Mars has far less oil, maybe even so little it's impractical to utilize on a large scale given that it's a limited resource. Then again initial settlements would be small, so they wouldn't require nearly the amount as our civilization here on Earth at least early on. Could also be that the reason most natural gas and oil deposits formed recent-ish is simply that older deposits have been lost due to much of that ancient crust having been recycled as a result of tectonic activity, I would have to look much more into it.
@@Neatling I think the lack of any tectonic forces on would be pretty significant on mars, with resource distribution being very heavily tied to volcanism. There's a vid by Artifexian called "where are metals found on fantasy worlds" or something like that that goes into quite a bit of detail (for a youtube video for an unrelated purpose) as to how mineral resources were distributed around Earth.
While that is true, it misses the larger picture The reason as for why those coal deposits were created is because microorganisms that can decompose wood hasn't yet emerged, meaning aerobic conditions werent yet needed for some peat equivalent to emerge.
What's the best way to make Venus habitable? Give Venus a moon, have Mercury as that Moon. Venus needs a faster rotation rate, let's give it a rotation rate of 22 hours, Venus has a magnetic field and a 80% cloud cover, further sake of argument Venus has two main continents, a globe girdling Aphrodite and the smaller continent of Istar up north. Venus keeps its oceans, but the average temperature is 70°C, there is life here, but its adapted to this high temperature, humans need cooling suits to venture most places except at the highest altitudes and latitudes, where conditions are merely tropical.
Nope, Venus is like in the very hot edge of habitable zone just like Mars in cold edge. Without dense atmosphere and greenhouse gases habitable Venus average temperature can be 30°C+ . Which is like tropical regions on earth@@Voidmaster1458
@@thomaskalbfus2005Venus wouldn’t need a fast rotation. In fact, Venus with an Earth-like atmosphere, oceans covering ~60% of the surface and its slow spin would experience mean temperatures similar to Earth. The slow rotation enables thick dayside cloud formation which would increase the albedo of Venus. The climate of Venus would be more like a Manchurian or subtropical monsoonal climate but diurnal instead of seasonal - with hot and wet days and cool, dry nights; each lasting about 2 months long.
*where It’s impossible dude. Venus is literally the hottest planet in our system, with a thick atmosphere that traps some of the heat from the sun. She’s fucking boiling bro💀
2:53 I wish there were more illustrations of what the surface of a habitable alien planet might look like. For a subject that has endless possibilities for an artist to explore, there are relatively few of them around. That's why I'm thinking of creating some myself.
its entirely possible that martian life would not be reliant on chlorophyll, so martian life could have used, say, retinase or bacteriochlorophyll and obtained a purple color. (i am not a biochemist and i learned of these chemicals from a few minutes of google search; take what i say with a large pinch of salt.) both mars and earth have a significant amount of silicon; silicon-based life is also a possibility.
Mars is the single most overrated planet in existence. You should do Venus, imagine if Earth had a twin. Our history would be _very_ different now and I'm not talking astronomical history, we'd be a multi-planet species and far more technologically advanced than we are now because getting to Venus would have driven technological advancement from a much earlier point.
“Yet across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.”
You underestimate the butterfly effect, my friend. The changes would be much more drastic. Hard to say what exactly would change, but culture would be very space-centric. Therefore, we might even go ahead with terraforming Venus and sending the co2 to Mars to fill up the atmosphere a little more so more land would be habitable for life (greenhouse effect and thicker atmosphere, right?) gr8 vid man :D Venus next?
I bet the Sinosociet split might have been prevented as they reached for each other to collaborate on a program to compete with America. The scientific developments and cultural energy might’ve enhanced interest and funding in bases on Antarctica as well It’s highly probable there would be minor competitor programs cropping up in the developing world sending out probes to mars as well, like in Africa probably led by South Africa or the Middle East led by the Iranians
You underestimate the enormous expense of colonizing Mars in this scenario. Sure, it's a lot easier than in real life, but still very expensive without any immediate return. Nixon would still have focused more on the Vietnam War, and the U.S. policy up to the modern day would be more interested in issues at home than colonizing Mars. We'd definitely have some presence on Mars, likely nothing more than a few research stations like those in Antartica. Real colonization, in any meaningful way as we understand colonization, wouldn't take off until private companies like SpaceX make it happen
For Mars to be habitable, it needs a large moon for a satellite that would help the planet to generate a strong magnetic field. That would allow Mars to retain its atmosphere.
Seems like Venus, had it not theoretically had a collision reversing and slowing its rotation, could have even more likely been habitable by life....seems like another video.
I think something forgotten here is that life itself would change the atmospheric content. If life on mars is similar to earths then the oxygen content would steadily grow over millions of years. And the carbon emissions would also increase the heat contained within the planets atmosphere. Those two factors as well as many more should be taken into account.
This was a fantastic video!! Thank you so much for this! Did you take any inspiration from any existing fictional stories or just sort of take your own swing at it? Thanks again! God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
If we magically warm up Mars there would probably be a war of he is going to own it, basically just like another race for the moon, but instead for Mars.
For no particular reason, here is the start of my WH40k story where they terraform "Completely not Mars" by placing a ring around it to reflect sunlight to the surface. Chapter 1, Introduction and starting the glass mandala. "So, you've chosen your punishment?" the Arbiter asks. The accused looks around for a moment, scratches the stubble on their chin, seems to for a moment talk to themselves and then speaks up. "Yes, your honor". The Arbiter bangs the gavel and the guards take the accused away. After a distance of travel, both through the channels and conduits of the justice system, and through the paths of the warp. The accused, a few servitors, a simple manufacturing ship and the guards assigned to guard others from him, and the guards assigned to protect him from others, settle in orbit of an arid world, only underground water deposits and polar icecaps, no atmosphere. "So we're here." the mechanicus states with a simple tone. "Fine, lets get started." The first step is obvious, finding the right silica rock in system and putting it in high orbit, using the machinery brought, to dissassemble the rock into the tiniest shards of glass and with the smallest of efforts drop them into their orbits. After some moments there would be a beautiful ring mandala praising The Emperor, of multicolored glass, reflecting light onto the surface, and as is said to be the first step, there will be light. The accused sits and reads for a moment, glancing every now and then at the indicators, all is going as was meant. At the corner of his eye, he sees one of the guards take off his helmet. --- Chapter 2; What the hell are we doing here. "What the hell are we doing here." the Guardsman says. He looks around at the assorted crew of guardsmen, space marines, servitors, staffers and a few mechanics. The accused looks up from the paper, throws it on the table and perks upright. "So, they gave me a choice, turn into a servitor, be sent on a crusade into the eye of terror, or get one ship and one empty planet and a rogue trader charter on anything produced on that planet." The Guardsman motions to the ragtag band of marines in different armors. "Yeah, they were given a choice of which crusade to go and they chose pacifying this sector and making sure I dont step out of line." The accused snorts and continues. "And you're here to make sure they dont step out of line. Funny huh, cant say I envy you." The Guardsman looks at the marines, then at the accused, then back, and again. His lips make a tiny bit of quiver then he stands up and says "Sir." Moments later the machine beeps and displays a picture of a disk of glass shards on a mandala around the planet. --- Chapter 3: A couple of days later in the mess hall. A couple of days later in the mess hall. The quite bustling and chatter of the mess hall echoes for some distance, quiet though it is, down the hallway. The accused sits in his room, the door open, and listens. What he hears are discussions ranging from the food being served, to debates on how much of a failure the accused is to be assigned a rotten job like this. He sits, and waits, mess just started so everyone is still Rambunctious and active, a bit later it will be calmer. He looks at the packets of food on the table, grey brown plaststeel packages. On top reads "Starch Intolerant Ration" with a small text below indicating that it is D quality military ratio. Next to it is a can of Corpse Starch. He looks at it intently, as if that single can represented all that is wrong in the imperium and his current predicament. He glances at the clock on the wall. Its been long enough now. Purposefully getting up and walking to the mess hall takes but a few moments. The bustle quiets down when the accused enters the room, everyone glances, some return quickly to their dining, some do not. Accused looks around and nods at diners and speaks. "I know you've been wandering what kind of hell went down to be sent here. Suffice it to say, I saw a lot of stuff wrong with the system, i complained more, was proven right in my complaints, and told that since i'm so good at pinpointing patterns and showing how things work. I should show everyone how to turn a wasteland to a garden world, that or the options i mentioned earlier. Vivisection was also mentioned." The collected crew let out a few huhs and ahas. "Okay, so I have 1 job, and one rule for today." The people look at him a bit annoyed, rules, already, they seem to think, but they are willing enough to hear him out. "First rules first." He picks ruffles through his bag and picks out a can of Corpse Starch. "This stuff, its not called corpse starch because its like starch for your body, its called that because its ground up human. Now i dont know about any of you, but i'd prefer we store all this stuff and wait for the day we need to host some blood ravens or flesh tearers." He picks out the ration pack from the bag and throws it on the nearest table. "Now one of the things I asked this ship to be filled with to the brim are meals, not made from humans, and seeds." A guardsmen looks at their meal and laughs, thinking it must be a joke of some kind, a large marine clad in blue places his hand gently on the shoulder of the guardsman and nods with a sad grim expression. The guardsman goes pale in the face. "So, lets start with that, no more eating humans, the other part is we need to send an expedition to all the planets in system to see whats around and if there is anyone or anything we should know about." The collected crew stands up and stars hauling towards the launch bay, as they walk down the hallway a faint sound of someone vomiting can be heard. The maintanance Mechanicum beeps, picks up a mop, and starts heading towards the sound.
I always wondered what if Mars would have been habitable and had time for humans (or some intelligent form of life) to appear and build a civilization before earth's humans appeared. But then the planet lost it's atmosphere before they were able to develop technology to travel to earth. And we ended up discovering a whole ancient society possibly millions of years old preserved on Mars.
I think a more likely candidate for an alternate habitable world is Venus. Really the only reason it seems to have not developed life was because it wasn't supplied with enough water. If things had turned out slightly different then it could've been a second Earth.
Another major prerequisite is rapidly growing populations. That started slowing down during the mid 20th century. Tbh with the way things are going I don't see space colonization being economically beneficial until we get to similar growth rates we had between 1870 to 1970. Maybe even higher.
I’m not sure they would visit a living Mars. It would contaminate the entire planet to send a human there and god knows what they would bring back. The temptation would be great, but once you set foot you change both worlds forever.
GUYS MARS USE TO HAVE A HUGE ATMOSHPERE AND COULD HAVE BEEN INHABATABLE, Scientests have found so much water it could fill up all the oceons in the earth, its just SO dar down that they cant reach it!!! THIS IS BREAK THROUGH AND AMAZING :O
mars was actually habitable, but ended after a billlion years after mars magnetosphere deteriated becasuse the core of mars stopped moving. and because of that, the sun's radiation and solar wind got rid of it's atomosphere and scraped off what was habitable.
He touched on the location of Mars. Mars is located at the very end of the habitable zone and with an atmosphere and it would still be very cold. I read that if Mars had an atmosphere they estimate the warmest temperature would be about 62 degrees in the summer.
The habitable zone isn't really a fixed thing. A planet exactly like Earth would have a fixed limited habitable zone around the sun. But a planet or moons temperature and habitability depends on a ton of other factors. You could for example have a Mars almost as hot as Venus if it had a thick CO2 atmosphere. Or a habitable warm Mars with no ice caps. Or even a moon around Jupiter with liquid oceans if it orbited close enough to be warmed enough by the stretching of the moon caused by Jupiters gravity. For this scenario, Mars has much more CO2 in its atmosphere than Earth, which is why humans wouldn't be able to breathe there without aid, and why it's relatively warm. But I'm no climate scientist, which is why I don't go into specifics.
If we wind back the clock like 3 billion years, the sun would be so much less luminous that the Martian orbit at the time was far outside the habitable zone, meaning mars with a magnetosphere would not be receiving enough light to heat it up enough to keep its oceans from freezing. This means it would be habitable for a brief time after its initial fiery formation before the leftover heat subsides and the planet freezes. It would then remain frozen until around about now since the Martian orbit is now in the habitable zone, though still only residing at the outer edge.
Oil can come from marine deposits like shale and limestone, and cold environments preserve more organic matter. Depending on the temperature gradient and deposotion rate, Mars in this world could have oil and natural gas, and even if life evolved onto land only recently in geologic time, there should be peat deposits already.
If the US in this scenario continued to invest in the Orion nuclear pulse jet spaceships they would have ships in their inventory that could travel to the red planet in only a few weeks. These large ships would also be crewed a hundreds of people.
The biggest difference is tides wouldn't exist as Mars doesn't have a large moon like ours meaning the landscape would likely remain static on coastlines without water erosion caused by high and low tides and would effect the abiliy of intelligent life anywhere off the coast
Incorrect: multicellular life a rose almost instantly after the introduction of oxygen to the atmosphere. Without oxygen it was impossible and so obviously never developed
Thought it looked alien enough, lol. But in all seriousness, i distinctly remember because I thought a lot of Mars may resemble parts of Iceland, and Tundra or Boreal environments on Earth in general. Life is in its early stages, and most of the planet is dry, cold, and has a super variable climate that gets ridiculously cold during the long winters. So, barren landscapes with mostly hardy organisms that resemble mosses would be widespread. So would cold deserts, of course. And along the more stable and warm equator, it would be a tad more lively.
I’d point out that manifest destiny likely doesn’t happen in this timeline, since the “New World” that is the Americas would be overshadowed by a literal New World - that is a new habitable planet. Without manifest destiny, the US would be a whole lot smaller, perhaps nonexistent. I think people would spend all of the energy they spent getting to the americas on getting to Mars. And they would do it for the same reason too - to usher in the “New World”
But how would discovering potential life on a different planet through a microscope quicken the development of rocket propellent? The realization of potential life on another planet, would definitely take on a religious significance, but how would that effect the invention of the rocket?
@ Well I’m only speculating but I think mainly what it does, is distract us from colonizing the Americas. The Americas were seen as a new world because they were understood to be by many as the locale where Christ would establish his millennial kingdom until the time for his return. It was literally a _New World_ where a golden age of humanity would begin lasting for at least a thousand years. People holding this golden age view would still come to the Americas in droves to flee from persecution. The puritans would be among them. But once they got here, I wonder if they would try to build something great here in the Americas (like they did in our timeline) or if they would “reach to the heavens.” And if they did see Mars as the place where Christ would establish his reign, it might speed up rocket development, in the same way that “Manifest Destiny” sped up the colonization of the American West. Of course there’s technological limitations to think about. Maybe we wouldn’t have the resources. But even if rocket development is slower in this imaginary timeline, I still think the American west would be significantly smaller.
The THING IS: EVEN IF THERE WERE OCEANS, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE LAKES WITH NO TIDES DUE TO A LACK OF A NATURAL SATELLITE THAT COULD CAUSE A NOTICABLE EFFECT ON SUCH A BODY OF WATER! ALSO IF THERE WERE SUCH A BODY OF WATER IN THE ANCIENT PAST ON MARS IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SALTY OR THER WOULD BE GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE IN THE ROCK AND LANDFORMS LEFT BEHIND AS SALT DEPOSITS!
Were* not was. Were is for hypothetical, was is past perfect. Mars was habitable = is no longer but used to be. For the subjunctive always use “What if X WERE Y”
You forgot that if Mars had an iron core it would also have plate tectonics of some kind and the 3 major volcanos would be active, most likely in cycles. Also Humanity wouldn't have the greatest question of all time: "Are we alone?"
How does the iron core create tectonics? We have tectonics due to the crust being "broken" into many pieces, these pieces "float" on the asthenosphere, so, as long as it is hot enough, for a "plastic" liquid" like asthenosphere you dont need an iron core. To add even more, Mars does have an iron core, his point was, that if you were to remove the hydrogen in the core, it might make it possible for the iron and nickel to create a magnetic field. Even if Mars had tectonics, the volcanos on mars are due to Hotspots in the asthenosphere, if Mars had tectonics, these Hot spots would move and make the volcanos inactive, making a volcano the size of mount olympus impossible.
If you are more of an expert in this, I would like to be corrected. Please explain your point if I am wrong.
If Mars had plate tectonics, those 3 volcanos would not have grown as big, as tectonic movements would have shifted them off the hotspot, slowing down their growth. They may well have ended up smaller than Earth's major shield volcanos like Mauna Kea.
@@kxbelsalat6390bro you technically saying earths tectonics ain't moving 💀
How would these tectonic plates look like? Cause im working on a Project where Mars never died and being a Seedworld. This includes realistic Plate tectonics
One thing I would imagine is that the Martian landscape would actually be very different - you can very clearly see the asteroid impacts, which would be far less visible or not present at all if Mars had an atmosphere that could support life.
The coastline in particular would've been eroded quite a bit. The seas and coastlines would probably still be in the same general regions, but the coastlines would be shaped differently.
Without tectonic activity, and with the planet being much drier, many more craters would've survived than here on Earth. The Yarrabubba impact structure here on Earth for instance has survived more than 2 billion years just because that piece of crust wasn't swallowed up by the mantle.
So yeah, it would look different. But still much more cratered than Earth, and probably still somewhat similar to the map I made.
If mars kept its atmosphere and oceans, then it’s likely that the impact craters would have eroded a lot (even if its atmosphere would be quite thinner)
@@Neatling what if the Abbasid Caliphate industrialized? What if Venus was habitable?
@@zhcultivator, The Abbasid caliphate will not industrialize because they stop making progress for unknown reasons but who cares, if they still progress, the whole world will be in a different state.
And Venus must be little nearer or share the same orbit as Earth to habitable.
Sir David Attenborough, the leading member of the International Martian Exploration Society. I can imagine him in a hazmat suit (as to not disturb the martian environment) researching all the new species and broadcasting it all on the BBC. Now that's a documentary I would love to watch!
Marshian 💀
And then Steve Irwin jumps in and grabs on to what ever alien he can
Attenborough the globull warming beliver.
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The book:
"A World of Difference"
is set in an alternate reality.
A nice read.
The major change is:
"Mars is too damn small; but what if it weren't?"
Please do a video on what if Venus was Habitable? Also What if the East African Federation became a real sovereign superstate today?
Regarding East African Federation:
It would face lots of interference from other countries, patricularly US, EU and China. Might spark war.
In my honest opinion, if Venus was habitable, either life on Venus would evolve faster than life on earth (resulting in intelligent life being birthed on Venus before Earth) which would result in either a solar system where both Humanity and the people of Venus fight over the solar system's resources, or the people of Venus colonizing Earth before Humanity is advanced enough to fight back
@@GotMyTowel42I'm pretty sure EU would help east African Federation (because it's literally EU but with african states in it) while i absolutely sure that China (because they want monopoly on investments on African continent) would make all to ruin this federation apart , if they try make own currency for Africa maybe USA would also be against them , but not as much as china
@@АртемМакєєв pretty much
@АртемМакєєвtrue true
A benefit of Mars being almost exclusively desert, would be that mining would not disturb the ecosystem that much. And there would be plenty of barren land available for manufacturing and vast solar power generation fields
😐🙄😐... Typical.
@@seanhewitt603humans saw one opportunity to living in a new planet and this was it. We want to transfer the hell we created on earth to a new planet
@anbu1157 humanities hell dwells in the hearts and minds of all living humans that aspire to do well in your civilization, no matter where you go, there the potential for hell is. There's no escape from the consequences of your society's choices.
@@seanhewitt603 I'm so tired of seeing immature misanthropic and pessimistic comments like this on every fucking science video. You wouldn't be here whining about humans being "typical" on the internet if it weren't for mining and manufacturing. OP is literally even concerned about minimizing his ecological impact, yet you STILL find a way to cry over it. I don't see you crying about all the mining, manufacturing, and deep sea cables that made your stupid holier-than-thou comment on the internet possible. Stop crying over fictional mining on Mars. If you hate humanity and progress that much, how about you start with yourself? Maybe I'll follow your lead, oh wise one.
So, just a smaller earth, mostly looking like Greenland and Australia.
Nah, more like Norway, Iceland
Imagine being bitten by a Martian spider
More like South Africa during the winter tbh
No its our india
We call it bharat varsh which is literally can said bharat verse!
As per our very very old ancient history our hindu rulers ruled entire cosmos including mars and kasi and varanaasi as the capital cities of the cosmos!
Proof is that ypu can see an ancient temple on mars!!!
But western world and muslims suppressed our glory!
Proud to be an indian !! Jai shree ram
@@morrazzo4432 and that why kid shouldn't do drugs
People forget how much of our technology revolves around space travel, this alternate world would be so much more technologically advanced
That is true.
A massive amount of the technology we have here today, is almost exclusively due to the space race.
The only war that was waged on the basis of technology and pride, not killing people.
We need a new war. A war to colonize the moon.
We need to bring back Nazi-levels of nationalism, but a liberal level of sanctity of life.
Not sure what we do even these days.
We should really just start building shit for the sake of it.
The romans had their grand projects they built simply because thats what makes life worth living.
We must do the same. If we dont, were just gonna fade into irrelevancy.
Coal is from the Carboniferous because it related to a very specific type of large scaled tree that has since gone extinct.
Oil has nothing to do with the Carboniferous. Most oil comes from small photosynthesizers like plankton and algae. The vast majority of oil formation was after the Paleozoic Era (which the Carboniferous was during the later end of)
I covered a good amount of topics in this video, so I'm not surprised I missed something, appreciate the comment.
From what I can gather 90% of natural gas and oil formation happened between 10-180 million years ago. Mars is also much smaller than Earth. So perhaps that could still mean Mars has far less oil, maybe even so little it's impractical to utilize on a large scale given that it's a limited resource. Then again initial settlements would be small, so they wouldn't require nearly the amount as our civilization here on Earth at least early on.
Could also be that the reason most natural gas and oil deposits formed recent-ish is simply that older deposits have been lost due to much of that ancient crust having been recycled as a result of tectonic activity, I would have to look much more into it.
@@Neatling I think the lack of any tectonic forces on would be pretty significant on mars, with resource distribution being very heavily tied to volcanism. There's a vid by Artifexian called "where are metals found on fantasy worlds" or something like that that goes into quite a bit of detail (for a youtube video for an unrelated purpose) as to how mineral resources were distributed around Earth.
While that is true, it misses the larger picture
The reason as for why those coal deposits were created is because microorganisms that can decompose wood hasn't yet emerged, meaning aerobic conditions werent yet needed for some peat equivalent to emerge.
Oil is abiotic.
The term fossil fuels is a fallacy.
Do one were Venus was habitable
What's the best way to make Venus habitable? Give Venus a moon, have Mercury as that Moon. Venus needs a faster rotation rate, let's give it a rotation rate of 22 hours, Venus has a magnetic field and a 80% cloud cover, further sake of argument Venus has two main continents, a globe girdling Aphrodite and the smaller continent of Istar up north. Venus keeps its oceans, but the average temperature is 70°C, there is life here, but its adapted to this high temperature, humans need cooling suits to venture most places except at the highest altitudes and latitudes, where conditions are merely tropical.
It would be pretty hot
Nope, Venus is like in the very hot edge of habitable zone just like Mars in cold edge. Without dense atmosphere and greenhouse gases habitable Venus average temperature can be 30°C+ . Which is like tropical regions on earth@@Voidmaster1458
@@thomaskalbfus2005Venus wouldn’t need a fast rotation. In fact, Venus with an Earth-like atmosphere, oceans covering ~60% of the surface and its slow spin would experience mean temperatures similar to Earth. The slow rotation enables thick dayside cloud formation which would increase the albedo of Venus. The climate of Venus would be more like a Manchurian or subtropical monsoonal climate but diurnal instead of seasonal - with hot and wet days and cool, dry nights; each lasting about 2 months long.
*where
It’s impossible dude. Venus is literally the hottest planet in our system, with a thick atmosphere that traps some of the heat from the sun. She’s fucking boiling bro💀
2:53 I wish there were more illustrations of what the surface of a habitable alien planet might look like. For a subject that has endless possibilities for an artist to explore, there are relatively few of them around. That's why I'm thinking of creating some myself.
A World Of Difference by Harry Turtledove has this as its central theme, and they call it Minerva instead of Mars
so a golden age of exploration for humanity. I love it!!
its entirely possible that martian life would not be reliant on chlorophyll, so martian life could have used, say, retinase or bacteriochlorophyll and obtained a purple color. (i am not a biochemist and i learned of these chemicals from a few minutes of google search; take what i say with a large pinch of salt.)
both mars and earth have a significant amount of silicon; silicon-based life is also a possibility.
ofc it's possible, but why?
Darker pigments means more of the light hitting the plant gets absorbed and turned into chemical energy via photosynthesis.
Only bacterial though.
Silicon can't show catenation like carbon
Thus Silicon based life is a myth
Mars is the single most overrated planet in existence. You should do Venus, imagine if Earth had a twin. Our history would be _very_ different now and I'm not talking astronomical history, we'd be a multi-planet species and far more technologically advanced than we are now because getting to Venus would have driven technological advancement from a much earlier point.
It would have been nice to see an ocean on Mars....
“Yet across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.”
You underestimate the butterfly effect, my friend.
The changes would be much more drastic. Hard to say what exactly would change, but culture would be very space-centric.
Therefore, we might even go ahead with terraforming Venus and sending the co2 to Mars to fill up the atmosphere a little more so more land would be habitable for life (greenhouse effect and thicker atmosphere, right?)
gr8 vid man :D
Venus next?
I bet the Sinosociet split might have been prevented as they reached for each other to collaborate on a program to compete with America.
The scientific developments and cultural energy might’ve enhanced interest and funding in bases on Antarctica as well
It’s highly probable there would be minor competitor programs cropping up in the developing world sending out probes to mars as well, like in Africa probably led by South Africa or the Middle East led by the Iranians
You underestimate the enormous expense of colonizing Mars in this scenario. Sure, it's a lot easier than in real life, but still very expensive without any immediate return. Nixon would still have focused more on the Vietnam War, and the U.S. policy up to the modern day would be more interested in issues at home than colonizing Mars. We'd definitely have some presence on Mars, likely nothing more than a few research stations like those in Antartica. Real colonization, in any meaningful way as we understand colonization, wouldn't take off until private companies like SpaceX make it happen
And don't forget to get some nitrogen and hydrocarbons like methane etc from moon Titan to fertilize mars
I actually have an extensive spec-evo project with this as my premise. It’s called Har Deshur (named after the Egyptian name for Mars)
For Mars to be habitable, it needs a large moon for a satellite that would help the planet to generate a strong magnetic field. That would allow Mars to retain its atmosphere.
Seems like Venus, had it not theoretically had a collision reversing and slowing its rotation, could have even more likely been habitable by life....seems like another video.
Yeah, especially gravitation. It is like 90% earth gravity. Better for your muscle
I can tell that this video will be amazing 😊✨
What an awesome video, this obviously took a lot of research. Great job
Love your videos! Keep em up
Yess do a venus one too
I think something forgotten here is that life itself would change the atmospheric content. If life on mars is similar to earths then the oxygen content would steadily grow over millions of years. And the carbon emissions would also increase the heat contained within the planets atmosphere. Those two factors as well as many more should be taken into account.
Really well done !!
Can you do what if Venus was habitable
If Mars had surface water and plants, would the atmosphere not be fairly substantial, making it warmer than hypothesized?
Thanks neatlling for sharing this idealisms movement about life in spaces
This was a fantastic video!! Thank you so much for this! Did you take any inspiration from any existing fictional stories or just sort of take your own swing at it? Thanks again!
God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Now please do, what if Venus was habitable?
I could see a space western set on this Mars
Mars would also need a big moon much like ours to keep its rotation stable and avoid climate extremes.
If we magically warm up Mars there would probably be a war of he is going to own it, basically just like another race for the moon, but instead for Mars.
For no particular reason, here is the start of my WH40k story where they terraform "Completely not Mars" by placing a ring around it to reflect sunlight to the surface.
Chapter 1, Introduction and starting the glass mandala.
"So, you've chosen your punishment?" the Arbiter asks.
The accused looks around for a moment, scratches the stubble on their chin, seems to for a moment talk to themselves and then speaks up.
"Yes, your honor".
The Arbiter bangs the gavel and the guards take the accused away.
After a distance of travel, both through the channels and conduits of the justice system, and through the paths of the warp. The accused, a few servitors, a simple manufacturing ship and the guards assigned to guard others from him, and the guards assigned to protect him from others, settle in orbit of an arid world, only underground water deposits and polar icecaps, no atmosphere.
"So we're here." the mechanicus states with a simple tone.
"Fine, lets get started."
The first step is obvious, finding the right silica rock in system and putting it in high orbit, using the machinery brought, to dissassemble the rock into the tiniest shards of glass and with the smallest of efforts drop them into their orbits. After some moments there would be a beautiful ring mandala praising The Emperor, of multicolored glass, reflecting light onto the surface, and as is said to be the first step, there will be light.
The accused sits and reads for a moment, glancing every now and then at the indicators, all is going as was meant.
At the corner of his eye, he sees one of the guards take off his helmet.
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Chapter 2; What the hell are we doing here.
"What the hell are we doing here." the Guardsman says.
He looks around at the assorted crew of guardsmen, space marines, servitors, staffers and a few mechanics.
The accused looks up from the paper, throws it on the table and perks upright.
"So, they gave me a choice, turn into a servitor, be sent on a crusade into the eye of terror, or get one ship and one empty planet and a rogue trader charter on anything produced on that planet."
The Guardsman motions to the ragtag band of marines in different armors.
"Yeah, they were given a choice of which crusade to go and they chose pacifying this sector and making sure I dont step out of line."
The accused snorts and continues.
"And you're here to make sure they dont step out of line. Funny huh, cant say I envy you."
The Guardsman looks at the marines, then at the accused, then back, and again.
His lips make a tiny bit of quiver then he stands up and says "Sir."
Moments later the machine beeps and displays a picture of a disk of glass shards on a mandala around the planet.
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Chapter 3: A couple of days later in the mess hall.
A couple of days later in the mess hall.
The quite bustling and chatter of the mess hall echoes for some distance, quiet though it is, down the hallway.
The accused sits in his room, the door open, and listens.
What he hears are discussions ranging from the food being served, to debates on how much of a failure the accused is to be assigned a rotten job like this.
He sits, and waits, mess just started so everyone is still Rambunctious and active, a bit later it will be calmer.
He looks at the packets of food on the table, grey brown plaststeel packages. On top reads "Starch Intolerant Ration" with a small text below indicating that it is D quality military ratio.
Next to it is a can of Corpse Starch. He looks at it intently, as if that single can represented all that is wrong in the imperium and his current predicament.
He glances at the clock on the wall. Its been long enough now.
Purposefully getting up and walking to the mess hall takes but a few moments.
The bustle quiets down when the accused enters the room, everyone glances, some return quickly to their dining, some do not.
Accused looks around and nods at diners and speaks.
"I know you've been wandering what kind of hell went down to be sent here. Suffice it to say, I saw a lot of stuff wrong with the system, i complained more, was proven right in my complaints, and told that since i'm so good at pinpointing patterns and showing how things work. I should show everyone how to turn a wasteland to a garden world, that or the options i mentioned earlier. Vivisection was also mentioned."
The collected crew let out a few huhs and ahas.
"Okay, so I have 1 job, and one rule for today."
The people look at him a bit annoyed, rules, already, they seem to think, but they are willing enough to hear him out.
"First rules first." He picks ruffles through his bag and picks out a can of Corpse Starch.
"This stuff, its not called corpse starch because its like starch for your body, its called that because its ground up human. Now i dont know about any of you, but i'd prefer we store all this stuff and wait for the day we need to host some blood ravens or flesh tearers."
He picks out the ration pack from the bag and throws it on the nearest table.
"Now one of the things I asked this ship to be filled with to the brim are meals, not made from humans, and seeds."
A guardsmen looks at their meal and laughs, thinking it must be a joke of some kind, a large marine clad in blue places his hand gently on the shoulder of the guardsman and nods with a sad grim expression. The guardsman goes pale in the face.
"So, lets start with that, no more eating humans, the other part is we need to send an expedition to all the planets in system to see whats around and if there is anyone or anything we should know about."
The collected crew stands up and stars hauling towards the launch bay, as they walk down the hallway a faint sound of someone vomiting can be heard.
The maintanance Mechanicum beeps, picks up a mop, and starts heading towards the sound.
Man I’m really loving the space videos is quite different compare to the normal alternate history
Can you PLEASE do a video like this, but Venus is habitable?
Bro your theories is giving same vibe as a retro future movies
I always wondered what if Mars would have been habitable and had time for humans (or some intelligent form of life) to appear and build a civilization before earth's humans appeared. But then the planet lost it's atmosphere before they were able to develop technology to travel to earth. And we ended up discovering a whole ancient society possibly millions of years old preserved on Mars.
Awesome video
Nice massage to learn about classification of biology
I think a more likely candidate for an alternate habitable world is Venus. Really the only reason it seems to have not developed life was because it wasn't supplied with enough water. If things had turned out slightly different then it could've been a second Earth.
How cool would it be if Mars AND Venus were both inhabited and we could travel between all of these planets
Another major prerequisite is rapidly growing populations. That started slowing down during the mid 20th century. Tbh with the way things are going I don't see space colonization being economically beneficial until we get to similar growth rates we had between 1870 to 1970. Maybe even higher.
This would be interesting and it doesn't have many downsides either
Idk why but I keep on watching this video
I'm gonna make my own story about this. 😮
Poderia fazer o vídeo da Cornélia do norte e seus aliados?
I’m not sure they would visit a living Mars. It would contaminate the entire planet to send a human there and god knows what they would bring back.
The temptation would be great, but once you set foot you change both worlds forever.
GUYS MARS USE TO HAVE A HUGE ATMOSHPERE AND COULD HAVE BEEN INHABATABLE, Scientests have found so much water it could fill up all the oceons in the earth, its just SO dar down that they cant reach it!!! THIS IS BREAK THROUGH AND AMAZING :O
mars was actually habitable, but ended after a billlion years after mars magnetosphere deteriated becasuse the core of mars stopped moving. and because of that, the sun's radiation and solar wind got rid of it's atomosphere and scraped off what was habitable.
He touched on the location of Mars. Mars is located at the very end of the habitable zone and with an atmosphere and it would still be very cold. I read that if Mars had an atmosphere they estimate the warmest temperature would be about 62 degrees in the summer.
The habitable zone isn't really a fixed thing. A planet exactly like Earth would have a fixed limited habitable zone around the sun. But a planet or moons temperature and habitability depends on a ton of other factors.
You could for example have a Mars almost as hot as Venus if it had a thick CO2 atmosphere. Or a habitable warm Mars with no ice caps. Or even a moon around Jupiter with liquid oceans if it orbited close enough to be warmed enough by the stretching of the moon caused by Jupiters gravity.
For this scenario, Mars has much more CO2 in its atmosphere than Earth, which is why humans wouldn't be able to breathe there without aid, and why it's relatively warm. But I'm no climate scientist, which is why I don't go into specifics.
If we wind back the clock like 3 billion years, the sun would be so much less luminous that the Martian orbit at the time was far outside the habitable zone, meaning mars with a magnetosphere would not be receiving enough light to heat it up enough to keep its oceans from freezing. This means it would be habitable for a brief time after its initial fiery formation before the leftover heat subsides and the planet freezes. It would then remain frozen until around about now since the Martian orbit is now in the habitable zone, though still only residing at the outer edge.
Oil can come from marine deposits like shale and limestone, and cold environments preserve more organic matter. Depending on the temperature gradient and deposotion rate, Mars in this world could have oil and natural gas, and even if life evolved onto land only recently in geologic time, there should be peat deposits already.
It amuses me, we F-up a paradise planet and look at inhospitable rocks "out there" and play "what if".
Humans are dumb indeed, thats why many things bothers me when they want these power, i sure would never allow it if i did had powers
Lets be honest, we would nuke the f*ck out of the wasteland deserts, or even the icy land mass, in order to warm up the planet.
Fun fact: Mars will be habitable in the past and future.
Not in future
You should do a video on colonizing Venus
I wish our world was that world. We’d be way more advanced.
You made the map?
Fed video Neatling
Could there be fossils in the Marsian soil?
I like this video its so interestyng
wish this was reality bruh
Shoutout to all who still remember the game "Ultima: Martian Dreams." ^^
What if Venus was inhabitable?
It’s already inhabitable bro
@@luisasublett9192Try going there and you'll die 💀
It needs an increased earth gravity. So we can de-orbit its unstable moon. The impact crater will remain hot for a long time allowing habitability.
thumbnail animals are from spec evo world Birrin i think
How incredible would this alternate timeline have been 😂
Please make a video about if venus was habitable like mars in this video
If the US in this scenario continued to invest in the Orion nuclear pulse jet spaceships they would have ships in their inventory that could travel to the red planet in only a few weeks. These large ships would also be crewed a hundreds of people.
The crazy thing is that it probably was at some point
Please do one on Venus
The biggest difference is tides wouldn't exist as Mars doesn't have a large moon like ours meaning the landscape would likely remain static on coastlines without water erosion caused by high and low tides and would effect the abiliy of intelligent life anywhere off the coast
If the Mars colony industrializes, they could increase the density of the atmosphere with waste gases, for example, iron refining produces oxygen
Can you do Venus next?
that big lake/sea in the north looks a lot like north america
Incorrect: multicellular life a rose almost instantly after the introduction of oxygen to the atmosphere. Without oxygen it was impossible and so obviously never developed
If Mars was Earthlike and observed as of the 1650s Human settlement would have taken place earlier possibly by the 1900s or at least by the 1950s
Omni man: That is the neat part, it was.
why is the thumbnail just iceland
Thought it looked alien enough, lol.
But in all seriousness, i distinctly remember because I thought a lot of Mars may resemble parts of Iceland, and Tundra or Boreal environments on Earth in general. Life is in its early stages, and most of the planet is dry, cold, and has a super variable climate that gets ridiculously cold during the long winters. So, barren landscapes with mostly hardy organisms that resemble mosses would be widespread.
So would cold deserts, of course. And along the more stable and warm equator, it would be a tad more lively.
new human step: make mars warmer
I swear theirs nothing more I wish than having more than just earth. I love earth but I want so much more.
I live in the town in the picture in the thumbnail
I’d point out that manifest destiny likely doesn’t happen in this timeline, since the “New World” that is the Americas would be overshadowed by a literal New World - that is a new habitable planet.
Without manifest destiny, the US would be a whole lot smaller, perhaps nonexistent.
I think people would spend all of the energy they spent getting to the americas on getting to Mars. And they would do it for the same reason too - to usher in the “New World”
But how would discovering potential life on a different planet through a microscope quicken the development of rocket propellent?
The realization of potential life on another planet, would definitely take on a religious significance, but how would that effect the invention of the rocket?
@ Well I’m only speculating but I think mainly what it does, is distract us from colonizing the Americas.
The Americas were seen as a new world because they were understood to be by many as the locale where Christ would establish his millennial kingdom until the time for his return. It was literally a _New World_ where a golden age of humanity would begin lasting for at least a thousand years.
People holding this golden age view would still come to the Americas in droves to flee from persecution. The puritans would be among them. But once they got here, I wonder if they would try to build something great here in the Americas (like they did in our timeline) or if they would “reach to the heavens.”
And if they did see Mars as the place where Christ would establish his reign, it might speed up rocket development, in the same way that “Manifest Destiny” sped up the colonization of the American West.
Of course there’s technological limitations to think about. Maybe we wouldn’t have the resources. But even if rocket development is slower in this imaginary timeline, I still think the American west would be significantly smaller.
I feel like the correct grammar for the title would be “What if mars was habitable” were is not the correct plurality.
Letsss goo!!!
Algae and photosynthesizing bacteria in the ocean would perhaps form some fossil fuels. What of methane clathrates?
a better world...
tbh i think if this scenario actually happen, there will probably be a war between earth and mars..
I think it wouldve had intelligent life and continental plates too with massive oceans not a mega continent
The THING IS: EVEN IF THERE WERE OCEANS, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE LAKES WITH NO TIDES DUE TO A LACK OF A NATURAL SATELLITE THAT COULD CAUSE A NOTICABLE EFFECT ON SUCH A BODY OF WATER! ALSO IF THERE WERE SUCH A BODY OF WATER IN THE ANCIENT PAST ON MARS IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SALTY OR THER WOULD BE GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE IN THE ROCK AND LANDFORMS LEFT BEHIND AS SALT DEPOSITS!
The incas drank coffee to help them breath the thinner air in the andes and geneticaly grew stronger lungs martians would do the same
what if we actually came from aliens? that would explain the cambrian explosion
I couldn't imagine how catastrophic the cold war would be 😭😭💀
Europeans be like: Yoink, Mars is now mine.
What if Mars, Venus and Earth's Moon were all habbitable?
Were* not was. Were is for hypothetical, was is past perfect. Mars was habitable = is no longer but used to be. For the subjunctive always use “What if X WERE Y”
Mars core needs a big injection of surfactant to get thay dynamo rollin'...