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- There is something I would like to add regarding the "registration of non recognizable medical diplomas: I am at the moment working with resident colleagues who recognized their medical diplomas and have been working in several different cantons for years without a single problem, while studying in preparation for the federal exam. Dont feel discouraged about the idea of not being accepted, remember that you can work for some years until you are ready to take on the federal exam!
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I. Diploma recognition:
Federal law (Medical Professions Act, MedBG) conclusively regulates the conditions under which a foreign diploma can be formally recognized in Switzerland;
- If you have completed your diploma in an EU/EFTA state and are a citizen of an EU/EFTA state in accordance with the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons (or are married to an EU/EFTA citizen), you can find the information and the application form for direct diploma recognition at the following link: www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/...)
- If your diploma was obtained outside the EU/EFTA but has already been formally recognised in an EU/EFTA state (and the other requirements are also met), you will find the link for indirect diploma recognition below: www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/...
Please note that all three requirements must be fulfilled cumulatively at the time of application submission and must be proven accordingly.
II. Registration of non-recognisable diplomas:
If neither the requirements for direct nor for indirect diploma recognition are met (see country of issue of the diploma and nationality), you have the option of registering your diploma with us. All information about the registration of non-recognisable diplomas can be found at: www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/....
III. Obtain the federal diploma:
If a diploma’s recognition is not possible, you can obtain the Federal Diploma (see: www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/...)
For the form of demand see: www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/...
Information to the federal exam you can find under: www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/...
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Your channel is a life saver 🙌🏾!!
Your videos are reeaalllyyy helpful
Keep it up, sir..
I wish you a successful career too
shout out to your video! I'm a taiwanese medical graduate who has french C1 certificate, but was confused about my next steps because I do not fit into the indirect conditions, thank you for elaborating that the next step is to get my diploma registered.
its good to have my research on the matter confirmed like this since im still learning the language and some translations are weird. ill be going to germany first as it feels more secure than just diving straight into swiss. thank you so much for this! also, i have the exact same shirt hahaha
Thank you very much for the efforts.
Great video!! Thank you :)
Very Informative vedio sir thank you very much
Thanks alot!1 Please do mor e videos with more information about your Docto's live in Switzerland!
Thank you so much for your generous explanations ! We really appreciate it =) i've been interested in Switzerland for a while and since i don't fit in the first 2 categories i'll have to follow the last option..so i was wondering wether they'd accept a specialist who completed the training in their home country or do they need some sort of evaluation/more training ? Thank you so much once again and have a great day =)
make more videos please about the situations in swiss plz
Thanks! And congrats on this new chapter. I was wondering if I could ask you some questions.
Im an EU - non-eu diploma holder, currently learning German to start my specialization in germany. medium term plan would be to move to Switzerland. Is there any other way of entering Switzerland, perhaps through some research, masters that then allows me to go into certain specializations? Would love to chat sometime.
Hello there :D
Switzerland is very competitive depending on the specialty, and anything you do to become a more attractive doctor in your employer´s eyes will be welcomed. It wont, however guarantee anything.
So Answering your question, I dont think that a masters or research can guarantee a position as a resident.
Hello. What is the procedure for applying medical reaidency in switzerland if we have done our mbbs outside europe??
when you do a residency in germany that's 5 years are you considered like you worked those 3 years or you have to do so as a facharzt?
If a person is NOT from the EU but have a Permanent residency permit in a EU country AND their Diploma is from the EU, what would be the case?
Thank you so much for the information.
My medical degree has already been registered since one year.
I have studied medicine in Pakistan and now I’m living in Zurich.
I haven’t applied for the residency (Weiterbildung) yet because I’m currently improving my language skills.
My question is that for doctors it’s a necessary to work as Assistenzarzt first and after training we should give the federal exam? How can I good prepare for the exam I mean the book which I’ll read should also be in German?
Thanks
Hi there, thanks for your comment
I don't think that working as Assistenzarzt is a requirement to do the exam, although most people that do the exam are already Assistenzärzte. Honestly I believe that the everyday experience from working will provide you already with a lot of the knowledge needed for the exam.
What if an Indian doctor clears Edaic 1 and 2?...is it recognized then?
What's the steps if anyone work as an Anaesthesiologist after completing EDIAC. EDIAC is recognised in Switzerland.
Amazing video
Can you please explain how the internship works in Switzerland?
Thanks! I´ll talk about it eventually
Thank you so much for the explanations! Just a quick question... Let's say you studied in a non EU country, and you have a citizenship of a EU country, does it still count if it's not you main citizenship?
To my understanding as long as you have the EU Citizenship it should be fine
Hi, great video! I have a small question which maybe you explained but I might not have got it. I am a non-Eu citizen from Canada with a EU medical diploma (recently finished my medical studies in Romania). I am curently in France studying French and I wish to work in Switzerland. From my knowledge in order for me to work in Switzerland with my diploma I must get a Apostile de Haga stamp. Now my question is which type of aprobation do I fall into since it is a bit of a tricky case seeing as I am not an EU citizen and have not yet started working?
As a non EU you don't qualify for direct or indirect ones. Because your diploma is from EU you also don't quite qualify for the registration. I haven't found a kind of recognition that fits you perfectly. Maybe you should email MEBEKO directly and ask them directly
Hi Eutopia. Thanks for your videos. Just one a little bit strage question. I am a specialist from Greece with a specialty of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. In the Weiterbildung form i can see that there is no option for this specialty. Is it not a recogisable specialty in Switzerland? Is there any way to go there as a specialist in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation?
I dont know much about your specific case, but it does come often that some specialties are not recognized in Switzerland. For example Intensive Care in Germany is not recognized in Switzerland
Did they acknowledge your residency years in Germany or you started from year 1 when you moved to Switzerland?
I havent gotten it recognized yet, but they should recognize some of it.
Thanks very much for your amazing video. I am wondering if I got diploma(approbation)from Germany. Can I directly use it to be a doctor in Switzerland.FYI, my nationality is not European.
that is also my situation! I'm graduated from Romania
Hallo ! Eutopia ( oder jeder, der helfen will ) was weist du ueber die Anerkenung der Weiterbildungszeit, wenn man von der Schweiz nach Deutschland zieht ?
Du sagtest in die Kommentaren ''The experience worked in germany can be recognized in Switzerland'', ist es auch umgekehrt so ?
Sollte auch umgekehrt annerkant werden. Ich habe aber dabei leider noch keine Erfahrung
Hello, thank you so much for such an informative video!
Couple of questions though:
1. Do I have to be in Switzerland to apply for the registration of non-recognizable diploma? How long does this process usually take?
2. After getting my diplom registered, I can work in private sector right? So how easy is it to get a job in the private clinics? And is the salary good?
3. Do I have to have necessarily practiced in the country where I completed medical university OR my license to practice and experience from any country counts?
hi there :D some of your questions will be adressed in my next video :D
1. Being phisically in Switzerland is not a condition for the registration as far as I know
2. Yes, you can. It is not easy though.
Hello, thank you a lot for your video but I didn’t understood something for the direkt Approbation, If I have a EU nationality and a EU diploma but I’m born outside from europe I’m directly out ? Like the country where you are born matters or just the citizenship is important ?
It was figurative speech the concept of where you are born. I meant nationality.
You should be able to do the direct approbation
Hi, doctor, only got one cuestion left jaja
The recognition applies only for general practice or can also be applied for specialty recognition?
Hello
I believe that a recognition as a specialist is also possible. The requirements should be posted online in MEBEKO's website
hello eutopia. im a 2nd year med student and im seriously considering germany and switzerland for my medical residence. Do your work hours in germany count on your residency time in switzerland? also, if they do, and you spent your time in germany in a small hospital, can you work in switzerland only in b or a level hospitals? or do you still need to go through all three levels of hospitals??
Also wondering this!
The experience worked in germany can be recognized in Switzerland. When it comes to "where" you can work, you can work anywhere, just keep in mind that in order to become a specialist in Switzerland you need to spend some time in an A hospital.
Normally as you transition from germany to Switzerland you go first o a C or B hospital because it´s easier and as you get used to the new country eventually you apply to an A in order to finish the specialty
Thank you for your video. Since i was born in Africa and did my studies outside of EU, is it possible to do my Medical residency just by registration of my diploma ? Or Should I pass the Federal exam to have possibility to continue for residency ?
Hey! I would like to know that too!!
Hello! I finished the university last year in romania and i’ve been looking for a job in suisse. I have my diploma recognised by mebeko, also a french b2 exam and ive been trying to get a job and i dont know why no one would hire me! Also today i got a call from medicalis saying i need to have the right to practice for the canton i wanna work in , and that will take more months and more money! What advice do you have for me? I plan to move next month and i can’t go and be jobless there with all my papers done and a doctor diploma. Thank you in advance!
Hello, i know this is not an online consultation but i am gonna try... while waiting(improving languge to do FSP in Germany) can u already work ? did u work in a hospital? or u apply from home, cuz i am seeing almost all "Stelleangebote" already wanting FSP and i dont know if its possible to work there while working on it.. if they accept u somewhere (thank you very much for the vids!)
Hey there :)
If you don't pass the FSP you can't work as a doctor in Germany. It is possible to apply for a Praktikum, but you don't get paid as a Praktikant.
Hi Doc! Really thank you for your videos. I am a Swiss citizen, but I’m currently studying medicine in a no-EU country. Which of the diploma recognition options should I apply? Thank you in advance for your reply!!!
I believe that the indirect recognition of your Diploma should apply for you
But don't take my word for granted and double check with MEBEKO
@@EutopianDoctor Thank you very much. I will send an email to MEBEKO to ask for confirmations or any further information.
Hi! I'd like to know if there is a medical doctor board where you can check if your medical degree is acepted in Switzsland. Thank you!
Honestly not that I am aware of. You could contact MEBEKO and ask them directly.
thank you for this update im glad you seem much more relaxed in this video! I found the cantons that accepted people were:
- geneva and bern (they were the most accepting)
- then some other smaller cantons also did
- Zurich wasnt accepting probably because of higher dr supply
Although its worth mentioning i've yet to hear a success story of someone with non-eu ties making it in switzerland because:
1. mebeko will not recognize your diploma (which hospital wants to hire sm like that)
2. hospitals will not take the risky move of making a visum for a non-eu dr. The swiss have stringent (ie. impossible) non-eu immigration laws.
how do you find it in ch? i look forward to your next video!
How about non EU graduated from EU schools?
Hey, I'm a medical student from Italy but I'm studying in English. I'm non EU and will have EU degree. I watched your video and I see that I belong to direct one, right?
Hello, do you know if to prove your language, the mebeko accepts a course certificate as prove of knowledge or do the certificate must be of one of the international exam
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Thank you Dr for your nice information.My question is:I got my diploma outside EU but it was recognized by EU system cause I was able to be accepted by One of Hungarian universities.,now If I have the permanent residency of Hungary .am I eligible to apply for indirekt way?
Tecnically no. Without a citizeship you cant do Direct or Indirect Pathways
I have heard that doing a plab exam would spare you from the painful process of recognition as a non EU graduate
Are you sure about that?
No that's why I said I have heard
Only in Switzerland maybe.
Hey!! Can you confirm this information now? Who does the plab can work in Switzerland?
After clearing the federal exam would we be able to practice as a totally recognized medical practitioner?
Correct
Can you make a video about the salary of doctors in switzerland?
Will do at some point :D I´m still gathering some info.
Hello, I am a non-eu citizen and I graduated from a non-eu country, basically what I understood is that in order to complete my residency in Switzerland I should get my certificate registered then apply for the federal test? Then I can be able to do residency in switzerland?
Also, is it true that if you passed the USMLEs/Plabs you can skip the certificate registeration thing?
Thank you for the great video
Answering the fist part, you are 100% correct.
Regarding The USMLE, sadly I dont know :D
Hi, ich komme aus einem Nicht-EU-Land, aber ich habe meinen Abschluss in Europa gemacht, wie sieht dann das Verfahren aus? Ich habe keinen EU-Pass, aber ein EU-Diplom.
Außerdem habe ich vor einem Jahr mein B2 bestanden.
Ich danke dir sehr
Hi
Also wie ich die Dokumente verstanden habe, ohne EU Pass kann man keine Direkte oder Indirekte Annerkennung haben. Du Kannst aber dein Diploma registrieren lassen.
Wenn in Zweifel könntest du immer MEBEKO direkt kontaktieren und herausfinden Was genau für dich passt.
Alles bestens :D
But there are 4 years m.d programs that don't pass the maximum hours they require.. and if i'm not an EU citizen i basically can't work there? Damn why??? That's so not fair
Those MD Programms don't follow the European standards. It is what it is.
2. Not being a European citizen stops you from being recognized, not from working.
You can always register the diploma and do the exam
Please make a video on doctors pay in Switzerland
Hi is there a category for Non-EU citizen with EU degree?
Hi Eutopia i would also like to have solutions concerning non-EU citizens who have EU medical diploma (Hungary) who wishes to do their medical residency in Switzerland.
I have actually emailed MEBEKO about this. They told me that if I dont have EU/AELE nationality, i don't fall for the direct recognition. They told me that I have to apply for the foreign non-recognisable medical degree recognition pathway.(which is weird since this pathway is for non-EU medical diplomas and I shouldn't fall in this category either) So basically they put me in the same category as a non-EU with unrecognised non EU medical degree, which I heard is the worst category to be put in)
Yes, its an Awkward position to be in.
It seems logical that the nationality shouldnt matter as long as you got your Diploma inside the EU, but here we are...
Sadly I cant help you. I hope you get it done and maybe some time in the future you can shere what the best way is.
Best of luck
@@shrnschn5236 I havent graduated yet but i do have the same problem... Fortunately Germany doesnt have that kind of restriction!
@@MSabriSoyal yeah I have to study german in this case. I only speak french.
Thank you so much for useful video…my question is what if someone has Perminant residence in eu country but not the passport…is it still possible to apply for recognition?
Same question, if a person is NOT from the EU but have a Permanent residency permit in a EU country AND their Diploma is from the EU, what would be the case? If you already have an answer please let me know, thank you in advance :)
@@Dr.Hachem I searched and realized that its not possible…you can only go if you have passport…cause permanent residence is issued by that country and you can work with it only in that country.
@@keihan4279
I'm personally a non-EU citizen with an EU medical diploma(Hungary).
I have actually emailed MEBEKO about this. They told me that if I dont have EU/AELE nationality, i don't fall for the direct recognition. They told me that I have to apply for the foreign non-recognisable medical degree recognition pathway.(which is weird since this pathway is for non-EU medical diplomas and I shouldn't fall in this category either) So basically they put me in the same category as a non-EU with unrecognised non EU medical degree, which I heard is the worst category to be put in)
I think that only EU citizenship/nationality counts for direct pathway. But if you manage to find a wife of EU nationality, then that will be a very easy and quick recognition
@@shrnschn5236 thank you for information🙏
I live in a non-EU country .l want to get an equivalency from Germany and work in Switzerland, but without ever working in Germany. İs this possible and will l take any exam?
nope, you need to work 3 of the last 5 years in germany before you move to switzerland
How could I work in Switzerland after completing medical school from Poland but I am indian by nationality
Watch the video. He literally told you how