It really is 😅 i usually play Isengard and a friend of mine runs the dead LL. it's so hard to kill their soldiers while Aragorn tears apart your lines and calls Heroic combacts each turn, Terror is a problem too
I’d say the opposite! Army of the Dead hates F4/S4 troops, and C3 is an important break point as well. Berserkers are incredible, crossbows are incredible, ballistas/bombs are incredible, and Aragorn is the best possible target for Saruman or Grima if they're around. The particular lists here may not quite have that dynamic, but in general Isengard is one of the best possible armies into Dunharrow
Amazing paint jobs on the armies. Really like the Fountain Guard too. And man that Aragorn is a beast as long as he doesn't fluff his rolls. Can't wait for the Gil-Galad and Ellendil combination. They will hit really hard.
Been really looking forward to this game and it did not disappoint!! Well done to both players and what fantastic looking armies to have clash! A real joy to watch. :)
Absolutely fantastic! I am loving this tournament so far and I cannot wait to see the finale. Thanks for your amazing, beautiful, dedicated videos. Also, the paint jobs are exceptionally well done.
Good stuff! Just as a heads up- I think you forgot the link to your kickstarter in the video discription? I wanted to check it out but couldnt find it.
Its unfortunate that Isengard had its worst matchup right from the start, they were some beautiful painted models and I would have loved to see more of them. Will be interesting for round 2 if the Harad list can do better since its used to being hit on 4s and is already expecting to work around that.
The next game with be very interesting, D8 is great against shooting but a horde of fight 4 going up against a small fight 3 army could be tough. We haven't filmed it yet but I am keen
This was the matchup I had the most anticipation for seeing as I play Isengard as my main evil force and Dead/Tirith as my main good force. It did not disappoint! Question for PJ, what are your thoughts on replacing the Herald with Hurin on horse for his synergies with Aragorn? I have used them together with the dead to decent success.
Great Round. i have fought Army of the dead before with Isengard, its tough. have to really go with 9 or so crossbows with Vrashku to be effective. i love using Heroic Accuracy, i think its under utilised
2 beautifully painted armies but Aragorn and army of the dead...the most effective and easypilot almost "stupidproof" army. Mainly against all evil armies. A very irritating army to play against
The Return of the King legion hasn't changed so its just as viable as it has always been. It's tough to get right with it and has a relatively low win rate with only 40% wins out of 381 games. I reckon that is heavily influenced by it being popular with new players so I think its quite a lot better than that.
This battle continues to confirms my opinion, I dont get what people froth over Isengard Crossbows, everygame ive used them theyve been pretty useless... But from shooting missing and means the that model didnt move. Far better to bring some S3 uruk scouts, atleast then they can move and shoot if needed.
This was not the Legendary Legion. It is a green ally between the Dead of Dunharrow and Minas Tirith. That is why it was Aragorn, King Ellessar, rather than Strider and he was able to lead some fountain court guard
Those F5 heroes would have needed to go in from round 1 supported with 2 pikes and Banner to just avoid the ghosts winning many fights at all and kill a few here and there. Also, having 2/3 of your army die fighting, while 1/3 of it just tries to shoot normally ain't working out well since you'r just giving up to many dice for combat. Anyways - really well painted models, absolutely gorgerous.
@@joshcable2240 Not avoiding themself, but avoiding them winning fights, since F5 heroes with 2 attacks, 2 pikes and a banner would win nearly every fight against 2 ghosts, so they don't kill your Uruk-Hai as fast.
Man the army of dead just seems broken and not fun to play against. Having low fight is their main draw back but striking againt courage, causing terror, and being d8 is ridiculous. I never enjoy playing against them
@@ConquestCreations 🤣 no you're not getting off that easy back to the content creation mine for you. We need more premium MESBG videos not less! *cracks whip*
Why isn’t this video listed on your channel? I could only find it within the champions league playlist and didn’t get a notification for it being posted
@@ConquestCreations Haha ok, thank you. You did a fantastic job with this one! The editing is really fantastic here, you make it very easy to keep track of what is happening in the game with the overlays.
Man do I love watching your games. I have a ton of time at work recently and it makes it less boring. Altough a small bit of criticism. You guys keep refering to the players names instead of their faction. This would be perfectly fine and im all for getting then known, but it makes the commentary hard to follow as im a visual learner and keep forgetting who is playing what. I know it is mentionned at the start, but 15-20min in i start to get confused every time. Maybe having a visual reminder somewhere would be great, maybe along with the turn counter animation or somewhere at the bottom of the video along with a models until broken tally?
Thanks for the comment. The big weakness of the army of the dead is their low fight value so despite them easily wounding their opponents if they don't win the fights they will never strike blows. They are also very low model count meaning that if enemy armies play it correctly they should be able to surround and trap the army of the dead
Yup, Nathan should aim to surround AoD with his numbers and instead of pushing into fight focus on claiming all possible objective as main goal. So taking courage checks to charge is less important in this scenario than getting and claiming objectives..
How you beat them really depends on what you're using and the scenario. In Nathan's place, I woulda deployed further back to give myself a turn or two of proper shooting while trying to pull the enemy army away from the choke point. D7/8 is hard to crack, but if you throw enough dice, eventually you get wounds
Is it just me, or are these boards just made for elite armies? How is that Urukhai horde supposed to beat that army with a giant fence piece sitting in the middle of the table, a building covering the right flank, and a building covering the left? Looked like Arragon just ploughs straight through the middle with a Defence 7 terror wall flanked with 2 buildings and a fence in the middle to save them from being outnumbered substantially ever? Then again, maybe it's a list issue, perhaps a shaman or more berzerkers to get around the terror and some more bows to get more shots at demounting Arragon and actually using Lurtz; maybe it's just poor piloting from the evil side. I don't play Isengard I wouldn't know but seemed like a very one-sided game.
Thanks for the comment, if you think that these boards are made for elite armies it is very likely that you aren't using enough terrain in your games. In the rulebook's 'Matched Play' section it suggests 33% - 50% of the board is covered with terrain. In this game we were on the lower end of that at about 33%. I would definitely recomend playing with a bit more! I find it to be a lot more interesting
@@ConquestCreations@ConquestCreations That doesn't really convince me, TBH. Two buildings covering each flank of the front-to-back flank is definitely an advantage for the elite army. I don't see that in the rule book-basically forcing people to use cav with a march to wrap to get around the building? Obviously, the board does need terrain, but it still seems like a massive advantage to have two impassable pieces on either side of a front-to-back flank where the tokens are. The result somewhat supports this as well (do have to consider there were some horrific roles as well, and the heroes didn't do much for evil), does it not? Either way, the whole point is to show off the terrain pieces. Well, it definitely did that they look amazing while blocking a wrap haha.
On second watch: some thoughts this was a bad match up for isengard. the list lacks high damage, and courage, and numbers, the list needed 5-7 dunlending with 2h axes they are cheaper and backed by pikes cause the warriors of the dead trade more in your favor. also increases numbers neede to face more elite armies. no counters for aragorn exist in isengard sadly. this channel has anti dunlending bias ... Im sending a complaint to Thrydain himself about this.
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Both absolutely beautiful armies. Seems like a rough matchup for Isengard
It really is 😅 i usually play Isengard and a friend of mine runs the dead LL. it's so hard to kill their soldiers while Aragorn tears apart your lines and calls Heroic combacts each turn, Terror is a problem too
I’d say the opposite! Army of the Dead hates F4/S4 troops, and C3 is an important break point as well. Berserkers are incredible, crossbows are incredible, ballistas/bombs are incredible, and Aragorn is the best possible target for Saruman or Grima if they're around.
The particular lists here may not quite have that dynamic, but in general Isengard is one of the best possible armies into Dunharrow
I'm guessing this was done on purpose, but I really like the fact that all the round 1 matches were paired as evil vs good
Thanks for the comment, that was done on purpose!
Those are fantastic paint jobs on both armies. Very well done boys! Top tier basing too!
Thanks for the feedback mate!
CC is the best mesbg batrep channel.
One channel to rule them all.
I was like, "Lurtz won the Strike-off - some luck at last!" *rolls a 2-high* Ooof . . .
The sad music should have queued in
Amazing paint jobs on the armies. Really like the Fountain Guard too. And man that Aragorn is a beast as long as he doesn't fluff his rolls.
Can't wait for the Gil-Galad and Ellendil combination. They will hit really hard.
Outstanding paint jobs with both armies 👌👏
That's why he's the rightful king of Gondor
U can see a lot of love and effort goes into these videos👏👏
Thanks mate! I am trying my hardest on these
Dang what an amazing match! I was waiting all week for this one!
Thanks mate, the next video is on the editing table now!
Aragorn quite literally ran train over everything and KOTD's auto kill on wounds is insane. Those models all look amazing too.
Been really looking forward to this game and it did not disappoint!! Well done to both players and what fantastic looking armies to have clash! A real joy to watch. :)
Thanks mate! I can't wait to get the next episode out!
Great video, shout out to those painting cases as well I may have to get one of these, will make my painting life a lot more organised and cleaner!
I absolutely love mine, it's constantly going between home and the studio
The dice definitely went against Isengard. How many ghosts did he actually kill?
Absolutely fantastic! I am loving this tournament so far and I cannot wait to see the finale. Thanks for your amazing, beautiful, dedicated videos. Also, the paint jobs are exceptionally well done.
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks!
Crazy game !
I really feared for PJ losing the objectives in the late game, but fortunately he won those fights and got them back.
Really great !
Yesterday I've played The Return of the King LL vs Lurtz' Scouts LL and today this video comes out 😱👌
That is an awesome coincidence!
Gorgeous armies you guys should be so proud. Thanks for doing this series
Painting really matters to the battle, beautiful armies !
Really good battle and awesome dead army bases! May i ask how they are done?
Thanks for the comment! I believe they are resin cast bases
I love playing ghosty bois. And seeing such a lovely painted and based army of them on the channel is a real treat!
Any idea how the AOTD were painted? They look amazing.
Good stuff! Just as a heads up- I think you forgot the link to your kickstarter in the video discription? I wanted to check it out but couldnt find it.
Great Bat Rep! Always look forward to seeing a new video from you! 🔥🔥
Thanks mate! Can't wait to get the next one released
Its unfortunate that Isengard had its worst matchup right from the start, they were some beautiful painted models and I would have loved to see more of them. Will be interesting for round 2 if the Harad list can do better since its used to being hit on 4s and is already expecting to work around that.
The next game with be very interesting, D8 is great against shooting but a horde of fight 4 going up against a small fight 3 army could be tough. We haven't filmed it yet but I am keen
@@ConquestCreations I expect the Betrayer to become a key model as long as the compel and transfix into Aragorn don't wiff.
Is there a tutorial of how he painted The Army of the dead? Thats what im trying to achieve with mine and want some pointers.
Fantastic paint jobs and nice sportsman ship on display
The Dead bases are great, how did you do them?
This was the matchup I had the most anticipation for seeing as I play Isengard as my main evil force and Dead/Tirith as my main good force. It did not disappoint! Question for PJ, what are your thoughts on replacing the Herald with Hurin on horse for his synergies with Aragorn? I have used them together with the dead to decent success.
Great video yet again!!
Finally this came out.
Some of these will be weekly and some fortnightly
Nice game and painted armies
FOR GONDOR! FOR GONDOR! PLEASE WIN THE TOURNAMENT ELESSAR SHOW US YOUR GREATNESS :)
Very good video and editing! Keep it up!
Great Round. i have fought Army of the dead before with Isengard, its tough. have to really go with 9 or so crossbows with Vrashku to be effective. i love using Heroic Accuracy, i think its under utilised
Thanks for the comment. It was sad that it didn't pay off here! It would have been great to see how different the game could have been
I know it’s an elimination but I still wanna see the others duke it out!
2 beautifully painted armies but Aragorn and army of the dead...the most effective and easypilot almost "stupidproof" army. Mainly against all evil armies. A very irritating army to play against
I love watching these. I hope the other games come quicker.
I am at the editing desk now and just doing the final watch through of game 3 to check for any errors!
That army of the dead list with Aragorn is busted, endless free might
It's a strong list but has low fight value and low numbers. Aragorn is great but he can only be in one place at a time!
Is running the Return of the King LL still a competitive option? Love me some Dunharrow.
The Return of the King legion hasn't changed so its just as viable as it has always been. It's tough to get right with it and has a relatively low win rate with only 40% wins out of 381 games. I reckon that is heavily influenced by it being popular with new players so I think its quite a lot better than that.
Is that a denethor model made up as an army of the dead troop?
Very good eye! That model was used in a gimmic tournament in Victoria where everyone had to use a version of Denethor. That was PJ’s.
I cant remember the last time I watched so many ads
This battle continues to confirms my opinion, I dont get what people froth over Isengard Crossbows, everygame ive used them theyve been pretty useless... But from shooting missing and means the that model didnt move. Far better to bring some S3 uruk scouts, atleast then they can move and shoot if needed.
Is it the legendary legion the good player is using ?not sure if Aragon can take a horse ?
It's just a regular army list alliance between Gondor and Army of the Dead
It's a Minas Tirith/AoTD green alliance
Can you explain how Aragon was allowed to be mounted? I'm building AOTD at the moment and keep being told he cannot be mounted in the legendary legion
I guess now watching it more its not a LL, its just a ally?
This was not the Legendary Legion. It is a green ally between the Dead of Dunharrow and Minas Tirith. That is why it was Aragorn, King Ellessar, rather than Strider and he was able to lead some fountain court guard
Those F5 heroes would have needed to go in from round 1 supported with 2 pikes and Banner to just avoid the ghosts winning many fights at all and kill a few here and there.
Also, having 2/3 of your army die fighting, while 1/3 of it just tries to shoot normally ain't working out well since you'r just giving up to many dice for combat.
Anyways - really well painted models, absolutely gorgerous.
Pretty hard to avoid the ghosts!
@@joshcable2240 Not avoiding themself, but avoiding them winning fights, since F5 heroes with 2 attacks, 2 pikes and a banner would win nearly every fight against 2 ghosts, so they don't kill your Uruk-Hai as fast.
Man the army of dead just seems broken and not fun to play against. Having low fight is their main draw back but striking againt courage, causing terror, and being d8 is ridiculous. I never enjoy playing against them
Wow what a steamroll
I'd love to know how the warriors of the dead were painted!
I am not sure why the Isengard forces has -1 to courage. The harbinger of evil feat comes from the legendary legion which is not in play 🤔
Harbinger is the army bonus for Dead of Dunharrow so it is in fact still applicable due to the Historical allied in Minas Tirith
18:45 spear man are fight 4? How?
You've missed an e in enemy for your objectives at 2:30
Please accept my resignation
@@ConquestCreations 🤣 no you're not getting off that easy back to the content creation mine for you. We need more premium MESBG videos not less! *cracks whip*
Why isn’t this video listed on your channel? I could only find it within the champions league playlist and didn’t get a notification for it being posted
You have managed to find it early! It is scheduled for release on Thursday, you just got lucky!
@@ConquestCreations Haha ok, thank you. You did a fantastic job with this one! The editing is really fantastic here, you make it very easy to keep track of what is happening in the game with the overlays.
Man do I love watching your games. I have a ton of time at work recently and it makes it less boring.
Altough a small bit of criticism. You guys keep refering to the players names instead of their faction. This would be perfectly fine and im all for getting then known, but it makes the commentary hard to follow as im a visual learner and keep forgetting who is playing what. I know it is mentionned at the start, but 15-20min in i start to get confused every time.
Maybe having a visual reminder somewhere would be great, maybe along with the turn counter animation or somewhere at the bottom of the video along with a models until broken tally?
Thanks for the feedback, I could definitely add a few more visual ques in to hep with that!
Aragorn. With an r.
Well made.
Thanks mate
Link for kingdom of tor ithilas?
Vrashku with his crossbow he is able to shoot twice remember
From what I saw, he was. Just wasn’t hitting anything.
Yep don't worry he shot twice every time, he just struggled to get a hit!
Well, how do you beat those guys then? They barely took any damage at all. Am a newbie
Thanks for the comment. The big weakness of the army of the dead is their low fight value so despite them easily wounding their opponents if they don't win the fights they will never strike blows. They are also very low model count meaning that if enemy armies play it correctly they should be able to surround and trap the army of the dead
Yup, Nathan should aim to surround AoD with his numbers and instead of pushing into fight focus on claiming all possible objective as main goal. So taking courage checks to charge is less important in this scenario than getting and claiming objectives..
How you beat them really depends on what you're using and the scenario. In Nathan's place, I woulda deployed further back to give myself a turn or two of proper shooting while trying to pull the enemy army away from the choke point. D7/8 is hard to crack, but if you throw enough dice, eventually you get wounds
For the algorithm
Is it just me, or are these boards just made for elite armies? How is that Urukhai horde supposed to beat that army with a giant fence piece sitting in the middle of the table, a building covering the right flank, and a building covering the left? Looked like Arragon just ploughs straight through the middle with a Defence 7 terror wall flanked with 2 buildings and a fence in the middle to save them from being outnumbered substantially ever? Then again, maybe it's a list issue, perhaps a shaman or more berzerkers to get around the terror and some more bows to get more shots at demounting Arragon and actually using Lurtz; maybe it's just poor piloting from the evil side. I don't play Isengard I wouldn't know but seemed like a very one-sided game.
Thanks for the comment, if you think that these boards are made for elite armies it is very likely that you aren't using enough terrain in your games. In the rulebook's 'Matched Play' section it suggests 33% - 50% of the board is covered with terrain. In this game we were on the lower end of that at about 33%. I would definitely recomend playing with a bit more! I find it to be a lot more interesting
@@ConquestCreations@ConquestCreations That doesn't really convince me, TBH. Two buildings covering each flank of the front-to-back flank is definitely an advantage for the elite army. I don't see that in the rule book-basically forcing people to use cav with a march to wrap to get around the building? Obviously, the board does need terrain, but it still seems like a massive advantage to have two impassable pieces on either side of a front-to-back flank where the tokens are. The result somewhat supports this as well (do have to consider there were some horrific roles as well, and the heroes didn't do much for evil), does it not? Either way, the whole point is to show off the terrain pieces. Well, it definitely did that they look amazing while blocking a wrap haha.
On second watch: some thoughts this was a bad match up for isengard. the list lacks high damage, and courage, and numbers, the list needed 5-7 dunlending with 2h axes they are cheaper and backed by pikes cause the warriors of the dead trade more in your favor. also increases numbers neede to face more elite armies. no counters for aragorn exist in isengard sadly. this channel has anti dunlending bias ... Im sending a complaint to Thrydain himself about this.
Bomb crew is pretty good counter to Aragorn.
You need to do a better job at spell checking...