13:40 I think Harstem might still be getting use to the math in WC3 vs SC2. SC2 damage deals in absolute and armor vs damage can be matched out immediately whereas WC3 damage it really come down to a range and the “feel” of it. Harstem saw his blade was low on icon but at 25% against 1 low level creep he has no chance of dying even with mana burn. Great training session altogether
I still think that at this level, moment to moment coaching will mostly not work. Like 6:03 is how Grubby himself would do it, hex, click demon , go back to empty burrows and come back to look at the fight, all in a moment. Harstem can also easily do it, if he has it in his brain, but due to the delays of moment to moment coaching, it does not work. Grubby thinks it, says it, Harstem hears it, processes, stops what he is doing, does what Grubby tells him, but he had not clicked demon, instead he wanted to surround him manually with move commands, so he interrupted his move commands without correcting for going back and doing one thing.
@@silviuvisan505 he does both guys. he is coaching him for a month lol. its like going to the gym. u need to hit the same muscle groups with different exercises for maximum results
@@silviuvisan505 They also do it, but for the games, the coach should mostly do forecasting or expectation of what to come and how to react and only intervene if absolutely crucial.
Yeah in the moment coaching is generally overwhelming and not effective for learning. It’s good to have your coach over your shoulder while playing. Coach can take notes and give the occasional conceptual hint/tip. But spamming orders to the coachee will result in bad games and not as much learning. Grubby, take your notes during the game, give the occasional hint/tip like “if you’re planning to do x, you should be creeping to lvl y, and once the z condition is met, you can do x.” Give them conceptual advice, not play by play orders. Then take your notes at the end of the game and show him every criticism you had in the replay of the microadjustments he can make to better achieve x.
It's intense but there's no substitute for instant correction and real time feedback and reasoning I think there's some adjustment to be made with how much orders go out and how much reasoning is explained, but replay review isn't coaching.
Funny, early in the episode i was thinking that harstems largest improvements now would he from knowing the maps better and a little more in depth measuring of creep camps.
tbh grubby I think you really misleading the guy. he loses games cause he strickly playing with 50 pop, losing games, cause his final comp is probably hard at the highest level, but at his level it's just weak, give him some easier strategyies too. like wyverns or taurens he would reach 1900 much easier
Grubby's editor here, sorry guys, previously uploaded video was a repeat, here is the correct one :)
Thanks for the quick turnaround! No worries at all!
thanks for choosing the correct folder at least
and i kept refreshing to make sure i was hallucinating or not ^^
@@Dudarinho xD
Grubby, please keep the editor. It was just one mistake!
13:40 I think Harstem might still be getting use to the math in WC3 vs SC2. SC2 damage deals in absolute and armor vs damage can be matched out immediately whereas WC3 damage it really come down to a range and the “feel” of it. Harstem saw his blade was low on icon but at 25% against 1 low level creep he has no chance of dying even with mana burn. Great training session altogether
I still think that at this level, moment to moment coaching will mostly not work. Like 6:03 is how Grubby himself would do it, hex, click demon , go back to empty burrows and come back to look at the fight, all in a moment. Harstem can also easily do it, if he has it in his brain, but due to the delays of moment to moment coaching, it does not work. Grubby thinks it, says it, Harstem hears it, processes, stops what he is doing, does what Grubby tells him, but he had not clicked demon, instead he wanted to surround him manually with move commands, so he interrupted his move commands without correcting for going back and doing one thing.
Dissecting the replay seems the better approach to it.
@@silviuvisan505 he does both guys. he is coaching him for a month lol. its like going to the gym. u need to hit the same muscle groups with different exercises for maximum results
@@silviuvisan505 They also do it, but for the games, the coach should mostly do forecasting or expectation of what to come and how to react and only intervene if absolutely crucial.
Agree completely. Obviously this whole thing is more about creating a fun stream than having an effective coaching session.
That feeling when you are being water tortured by the FBI and you finally breathe in 2:50
Yeah in the moment coaching is generally overwhelming and not effective for learning.
It’s good to have your coach over your shoulder while playing. Coach can take notes and give the occasional conceptual hint/tip. But spamming orders to the coachee will result in bad games and not as much learning.
Grubby, take your notes during the game, give the occasional hint/tip like “if you’re planning to do x, you should be creeping to lvl y, and once the z condition is met, you can do x.” Give them conceptual advice, not play by play orders. Then take your notes at the end of the game and show him every criticism you had in the replay of the microadjustments he can make to better achieve x.
It's intense but there's no substitute for instant correction and real time feedback and reasoning
I think there's some adjustment to be made with how much orders go out and how much reasoning is explained, but replay review isn't coaching.
"Do i heal this idiot?" Loool
Idk why, but Harstem is just built up to be a thumbnail, all of them look fire
what the hell, i lost my deja vu feeling
Funny, early in the episode i was thinking that harstems largest improvements now would he from knowing the maps better and a little more in depth measuring of creep camps.
26:43 frog MVP :D
upd: 33:33 LMAO this is too funny xD (32:44 start of this bug/feature)
I like watching grubby and eat fruit paper
To this day that military grubby thumbnail is killing me its just so good
Keep it up harstem, Looking forward to is it imba or do I suck wc3 edition
We need a playlist for tis
ahh its back , thanks editor
I feel gaslighted
hallo grubder
Gasp!!
tbh grubby I think you really misleading the guy. he loses games cause he strickly playing with 50 pop, losing games, cause his final comp is probably hard at the highest level, but at his level it's just weak, give him some easier strategyies too. like wyverns or taurens he would reach 1900 much easier
ofc not in this match, but in general (I'm watching his streams really funny)
why is he playing worse than he has been 2 weeks ago lol
it's a conspiracy
He has to unlearn his casual habits before he can learn to take his game to the next level.
His opponents punish more
you GO EXE!!!!! :C
Hes ok with losing a Pown Tortal made me rofl 25:28
First
Im a simple man I see grubby + Harstem its insta-watch