I think a video about offensive hazard stack would be great, you could even show comparisons between bulky and offensive hazard stack in the form of what ideas/roles/pokemon they like to use
I’m glad there’s some mamo appreciation in this video It has plenty of flaws but it hits the metagame so damn hard and it gets seriously overlooked imo
I think Hawlucha is also a very neat Knock Off absorber. Not fazed by spikes, not bothered a lot by rocks, doubling it's speed upon losing item is a nice plus.
Hawlucha doesn't have a lot of longevity though. It can't switch out after losing its item because it'll lose the unburden boost and be slower than it needs to be. It works better on a terrain HO style team because on those teams it doesn't need to ever switch out. Hawlucha is either gonna sweep or not be that useful.
Hawlucha has good Knock absorber attributes in theory, but in practice, it's pretty bad as a defensive pokemon, and it loses to a ton of common Knock Off users. Meow, Darkrai, Gliscor, Weavile, and Ival all destroy it.
A really good knock user that wasn't mentioned is walking wake. It deals with a lot of knock absorbers or can flip turn on clefable. Also the pokemon that it lures in like glowking also don't want to lose an item. I think its really under explored on none sun teams with assault vest, choice locked or just straight up booster energy for offensive hazard stack.
VERY true, Walking Wake with Knock Off and Scald is really nice. I personally prefer Leftovers on those sets though, and I run Knock Scald Flip Turn Protect.
Quick question: in the example team shown at the very end, Garganacl has protect despite running boots instead of lefties. Is protect used just to accrue more salt cure chip, or would another move be better on boots garg?
@@pinkacross2042 idk it was what I named it in my head, you would have a more correct name for it probably. I only managed to build one that works: I have a few bulkier offensive mons (that attack rather than boost) providing defensive switches and opportunities to pressure switches or ko mons, the ability to lay out spikes and rocks, and a couple pivots in Glo-king and dragapult (for spinners)... It might be a bastard hybrid of a few play styles but it felt offensive in nature, Upon thinking about it it might be structured more like a balance team. Anyway the idea that I want to pursue is a hazards team (spikes rocks) with a few bulky setup sweepers that can be used as pseudo win conditions but also swap in on certain threats, a couple good pivots and a form of powerful priority to avoid getting preyed on by Pon or Valiant.
Great vid, am playing your excadrill teams from the livestreams, and its a good lesson on how to play that team. Any changes you'd make to it in retrospect?
pinkacross i noticed you omitted heatran from your list of stealth rock setters... is this because you think its not particularly viable for hazard stack, or was it omitted for a different reason?
Not good on hstack, unless you run it with a Tusk. Heatran NEEDS leftovers to be on a bulky hstack, and therefore it can't run HDB, making it not great outside of Tusk hstack.
Is toxapex viable in this metagame outside stall? It being my favourite pokemon, ive tried it on a lot of teams. Sure, it's bulkier on both sides, more so than clodsire, glowking, or alomomola, but in practice is worse due to being passive and lacking spikes, pivoting, or wish. The only set ive found so far that works decently is Toxic + Infestation + Recover + Haze for alright damage on things it can wall. Any tips? Thank you!
I would be inclined to say it's almost never good outside of stall, but it can probably fit on some balance / offense teams. Ejectpex may be cool on more offensive teams as well!
Pinkacross not sure just how much Gen 3 OU experience you have, but do you think playing a hazard stack team in Gen 9 would feel comfortable to a Gen 3 TSS player?
Gen 9 will NOT feel comfortable to anyone accustomed to pretty much any other generation of OU (other than maybe gen 7?). Hstack may play similarly to TSS, but the threats you have to play around are on a whole different level. Imagine if the Salamence could Tera Water on your Suicune Ice Beam and get up 2 more Dragon Dances as you're forced to swap out.
@pinkacross2042 My lord that sounds terrifying 😳 Sounds like if I want to try Gen 9 I just gotta jump in and do it! Thanks for the advice and the consistently excellent content. So glad to see you get to 10k! To 100k and beyond in the future 🍾
Currently my only ghost type for my bulky hazard stack team is Skeledirge, which while a good Pokémon for this playstyle isn't a great spinblocker for a handful of reasons. Would I be better off replacing it with Sinistcha?
@Pinkacross Are you still gonna make a live playing the mono Regenerator team? That would be cool. Even if you don't play the team that's fine, I was just asking.
I doubt I will-- the team wasn't very good, it produced very slow games, and I didn't really enjoy playing it. Viewership would indicate that it wasn't a favorite among viewers either.
@@pinkacross2042 Makes sense. I tried messing with it on some teams, but I couldnt think of a way to make it last as long as I would need it to. On a side note: How do you minimize the Ice, water, and ground weaknesses these teams tend to have? I can't tell if I'm just inexperienced, or if the pokemon that fit into this playstyle generally have issues holding up defensively against those types. Especially when I try to utilize Meowscarada as my knock user. I either build a team that gets demolished by Wogerpon and Kyurem, or I build a team that lacks specially defensive walls.
So um akshually you didn’t mention steelyards as being not used in it so that means you should use it but you can’t so bulky hstack is impossible (on a serious note, i feel bb is trash cus of kyurem and wogerpon rn man fuck these guys)
I think a video about offensive hazard stack would be great, you could even show comparisons between bulky and offensive hazard stack in the form of what ideas/roles/pokemon they like to use
Noted! :]
I was literally searching your channel for a video like this yesterday. The gods have answered my plea
He can read minds
Glad you like it! :]
Instructions unclear accidently made semi-stall
Semistall is a form of bulky hazard stack.
@pinkacross2042 that fact says something about my intelligence as an ou player *cough cough* (and as a person) *cough cough*
I’m glad there’s some mamo appreciation in this video
It has plenty of flaws but it hits the metagame so damn hard and it gets seriously overlooked imo
Yea Mamo is niche but definitely viable
I think Hawlucha is also a very neat Knock Off absorber.
Not fazed by spikes, not bothered a lot by rocks, doubling it's speed upon losing item is a nice plus.
Hawlucha doesn't have a lot of longevity though. It can't switch out after losing its item because it'll lose the unburden boost and be slower than it needs to be. It works better on a terrain HO style team because on those teams it doesn't need to ever switch out. Hawlucha is either gonna sweep or not be that useful.
Hawlucha has good Knock absorber attributes in theory, but in practice, it's pretty bad as a defensive pokemon, and it loses to a ton of common Knock Off users. Meow, Darkrai, Gliscor, Weavile, and Ival all destroy it.
Hey Pinkacross, in the spirit of this being a bulky hazard stack team, i have one here my self, made this a while ago let me know how it looks. Love the teambuilding vids, keep up the great work.
Weavile @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Ice Shard
- Swords Dance
Gholdengo @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Recover
- Make It Rain
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Def / 228 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Spikes
- Protect
- Toxic
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Stealth Rock
- Thunder Wave
Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Future Sight
- Chilly Reception
- Sludge Bomb
- Thunder Wave
Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Heavy Slam
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
Seems solid!
I would rly love to see a video about offensive hazard stack aswell!
"Kingambit is a Kingambit" enough said lmao. Loved the tutorial, might just give this a try.
Good luck! :D
Just watched your team comp rankings vid earlier and planned to try out this type of comp. talk about perfect timing!
Ah, nice! :D
great video! something I hadn’t considered was having a knock off user that beats the knock absorbers
Glad I could help!
@@pinkacross2042bro was very happy to help
😐
😄 That boy good! Can’t wait for the Aim, Blunder and Pinkacross stream! A Pokemon Training School Series would be 🔥!
I'd be open to collab with them both, for sure!
If you use Substitute Gliscor, you just might belong in the 9th circle of Hell. (Joking) 😅😂
Sub Gliscor is definitely a sin
A really good knock user that wasn't mentioned is walking wake. It deals with a lot of knock absorbers or can flip turn on clefable. Also the pokemon that it lures in like glowking also don't want to lose an item. I think its really under explored on none sun teams with assault vest, choice locked or just straight up booster energy for offensive hazard stack.
VERY true, Walking Wake with Knock Off and Scald is really nice. I personally prefer Leftovers on those sets though, and I run Knock Scald Flip Turn Protect.
Keep up the awesome vids 👍 definitely learning a lot
That's awesome! :D
Thank you for posting these videos. I'm winning a lot more thanks to you.
Great to hear! :D
@@pinkacross2042 I feel like with balance you gotta think more like a defensive player
just saw the ranking vid and wanted to make a team like this! perfect timing!
You've got this! :]
Have annoying nicknames
most important component.
name them brainrot terms to have a 50/50 chance of either annoying someone to no end or getting someone spewing brainrot in chat
@@MintyTea_N That's genius
Name Lando-t "the math test" to intimidate all of your opponents. It works
Its always funnier when someone loses with dumb names
the moral of the video, holy shit gliscor is good for everything
Yea Gliscor is nuts
Thanks for the tutorial 🙏
My pleasure 😊
Great video!!😊
Thank you!! 😊
This helps so much! It would be great if you could make videos of teams to test out!
I have an example team in the description, and I've used hazard stack on several of my live streams! One great example is my Hoopa-U live.
Would absolutely be interested in a video about offensive hazard stack
really would love an offensive hazard stack vid, mons like hamurott and meow have a great role on them but bulky teams not so much
Yes, I will likely do this at some point!
Meanwhile 10 elos running bulky ribombee as their "bulky" hazard setter
thx for this
You're welcome! :D
I always wanted to main Hazard Stack Teams, now I can finally leaen
Glad I could help! :D
Quick question: in the example team shown at the very end, Garganacl has protect despite running boots instead of lefties. Is protect used just to accrue more salt cure chip, or would another move be better on boots garg?
Protect is just for scouting and salt cure chip, you can change it if you like though.
Can't wait for offensive hazard stack
Love me some hazard stack.
Me too!
I use Toxic Spike and Salt Cure and just stall until poison does the job
When do you think you might make an offensive hazard stack guide?
Likely when the metagame settles so I can give more appropriate examples-- for example, a Gliscor suspect test may be coming soon.
@@pinkacross2042 ok thanks I've been waiting for it
Perfect timing, I was playing with a bulky hazard stack offence team ... My offensive hazard stack teams don't really work out that well
What is a bulky hazard stack offense?
@@pinkacross2042 idk it was what I named it in my head, you would have a more correct name for it probably. I only managed to build one that works: I have a few bulkier offensive mons (that attack rather than boost) providing defensive switches and opportunities to pressure switches or ko mons, the ability to lay out spikes and rocks, and a couple pivots in Glo-king and dragapult (for spinners)... It might be a bastard hybrid of a few play styles but it felt offensive in nature, Upon thinking about it it might be structured more like a balance team.
Anyway the idea that I want to pursue is a hazards team (spikes rocks) with a few bulky setup sweepers that can be used as pseudo win conditions but also swap in on certain threats, a couple good pivots and a form of powerful priority to avoid getting preyed on by Pon or Valiant.
Yes to offensive hazard stack!
Is Sturdy better than Purifying Salt for Garganacl on hazard stack?
Didnt see that one explained so a tad bit confused at 4:34
Purifying salt is one of the best abilities in the game. Sturdy is not, especially on something that will almost never die in one hit from full
Run Purifying Salt ALWAYS. Sturdy was a mistake
Great vid, am playing your excadrill teams from the livestreams, and its a good lesson on how to play that team. Any changes you'd make to it in retrospect?
Working on improving the Ogerpon-W matchup, for example I'm considering Tera flying Eject Button Alomomola
This video tells us that GLISCOR IS INSANELY BROKEN.
pinkacross i noticed you omitted heatran from your list of stealth rock setters... is this because you think its not particularly viable for hazard stack, or was it omitted for a different reason?
Not good on hstack, unless you run it with a Tusk. Heatran NEEDS leftovers to be on a bulky hstack, and therefore it can't run HDB, making it not great outside of Tusk hstack.
What if you were freaky and ran regigice knock off absorber?
You explode
@@wuppado :(
Is toxapex viable in this metagame outside stall? It being my favourite pokemon, ive tried it on a lot of teams. Sure, it's bulkier on both sides, more so than clodsire, glowking, or alomomola, but in practice is worse due to being passive and lacking spikes, pivoting, or wish. The only set ive found so far that works decently is Toxic + Infestation + Recover + Haze for alright damage on things it can wall. Any tips? Thank you!
I would be inclined to say it's almost never good outside of stall, but it can probably fit on some balance / offense teams. Ejectpex may be cool on more offensive teams as well!
Pinkacross not sure just how much Gen 3 OU experience you have, but do you think playing a hazard stack team in Gen 9 would feel comfortable to a Gen 3 TSS player?
Gen 9 will NOT feel comfortable to anyone accustomed to pretty much any other generation of OU (other than maybe gen 7?). Hstack may play similarly to TSS, but the threats you have to play around are on a whole different level. Imagine if the Salamence could Tera Water on your Suicune Ice Beam and get up 2 more Dragon Dances as you're forced to swap out.
@pinkacross2042 My lord that sounds terrifying 😳
Sounds like if I want to try Gen 9 I just gotta jump in and do it!
Thanks for the advice and the consistently excellent content.
So glad to see you get to 10k!
To 100k and beyond in the future 🍾
You should try building taunt spam!
Perhaps so!
The replay value of this video 🤌🏽
Glad you think so! :D
Currently my only ghost type for my bulky hazard stack team is Skeledirge, which while a good Pokémon for this playstyle isn't a great spinblocker for a handful of reasons. Would I be better off replacing it with Sinistcha?
Depends on the team, but as a spinblocker, yes Sinistcha will be better for sure
@Pinkacross Are you still gonna make a live playing the mono Regenerator team? That would be cool. Even if you don't play the team that's fine, I was just asking.
I doubt I will-- the team wasn't very good, it produced very slow games, and I didn't really enjoy playing it. Viewership would indicate that it wasn't a favorite among viewers either.
dude specs crown decimates this team
Next live stream, please make a Garchomp Alomomola team with endure rocky helmet wish pass.
Very strong core indeed!
Currently attempting to build a team in this style. Do you think Hatterene could have a place on a bulky hazard stack team?
Generally, no. Hatterene can work on some offensive hazard stack but without recovery, it can't hold up in a long-term game.
@@pinkacross2042 Makes sense. I tried messing with it on some teams, but I couldnt think of a way to make it last as long as I would need it to.
On a side note: How do you minimize the Ice, water, and ground weaknesses these teams tend to have? I can't tell if I'm just inexperienced, or if the pokemon that fit into this playstyle generally have issues holding up defensively against those types. Especially when I try to utilize Meowscarada as my knock user. I either build a team that gets demolished by Wogerpon and Kyurem, or I build a team that lacks specially defensive walls.
How to build a raging blot only fans
lol
Can you make a video playing against HO as bulky hazard stack? I’m struggling to play this archetype because of setup sweepers n stuff
Sounds a little specific, but I've streamed a lot of hazard stack games live and certainly faced HO at some points!
İ would love to see offensive hazard stack
Only a stall and bulky offense team left to be made by you
How viable do you think hazard stack would be if gholdengo did not exist/had a different ability
Not as good since Defog Corv would be more popular, but it would be 95% as good. Most hstack don't even use Gholdengo.
Why dragon darts and not draco meteor on pult?
Just wanted to hear your thoughts as to why
Better for Blissey, Clodsire, Iron Moth, and Dragonite.
I see garchomp, I click
Lazier than a sloth pokepaste of example please
When are we getting a Scizor live/video Pinka 🤑
Definitely at some point! Not a huge Scizor fan but it can be pretty cool.
TV level content
Would Rorinng moon be a decent knock off user on bulky hazard stack?
For the most part, no. It loses to every single good knock absorber (Glisc Clef Corv/Skarm), and it provides little defensive utility.
@@pinkacross2042 thanks for the tip and for the wonderful content. Do your knock off abusers typically run more bulky or just need to hit very hard
Obviously you use avalugg
True
saying gg ez
Inb4 gen 10 comes around and we get mega sableye again
I hope we get Megas back, Tera sucks
Lu or glisc for spikes in your opinion?
Both are great, Scor is better though imo
What should I use to counter dozo?
@@alexminnich7048from my experience future sight glowking
How can we counter this kind of teams?
Hatterene, Court Change, powerful breakers, HO, etc.
Plz offensive hazard stack
I recently had participated in a tournament in which sv ou and palfin were allowed, does that mean Palfin might get set free
You mean the room tour?????
Palafin may be freed.
soooooooo offensive hazard stack when?
Eventually! This video did quite well, so there will be an offensive hazard stack video coming!
@@pinkacross2042 yooooo w
This video is "guide to having no friends"
What team styles have friends then lol
So um akshually you didn’t mention steelyards as being not used in it so that means you should use it but you can’t so bulky hstack is impossible (on a serious note, i feel bb is trash cus of kyurem and wogerpon rn man fuck these guys)
Yes, bulky balance has fallen out of favor due to an astronomic rise in Kyu + Wellspring usage-- definitely not as dominant as it was.
don’t enable this style of play we need videos titled “how to counter annoying hazard stack”
@@biguzivertt Either you join hazard stack or die resisting
Sure, I may make a video on countering hstack.
where is the gameplay lebowski!
People don't click on 1-hour videos as often, but I've streamed hazard stack teams several times!