Love the correct way you explained what could be going on and what needs to be done to diagnose this issue. I am a retired service writer from a Dodge Dealership and service wrote for Case IH Tractor Dealership. Same philosophy...different equipment. If I was younger I would have loved to worked with you in Service. Lots of Dealerships and independents really do not appreciate a GOOD Service writer. It takes a particular person to do it just like all the other positions as well. Love your channel. 👍🙏
@@44carbine91It’s amazing the incompetent people they hire now for service writers. Some know nothing about cars and don’t want to know. If you go to Tesla, they only hire arrogant punks that will never ever learn how to change their own tire.
@@jasonharrison601 FALSE. Range Rovers come with longer warranties. Off lease Rovers still have 2 years of warranty and are excellent buys. Learn how to care for their weak points, like any vehicle, and they are very cheap to own. Ask me how I know.
I have a 08 pilot. The AC stopped blowing cold last year, but I have been driving something else, so I haven't messed with it. Probably just needs a recharge. I bought it used with 140,000 miles on it. They had the timing chain replaced at 125,000, and it has about 180,000 on it now. I hope that it lasts. I know those pilots are known for weak transmissions, but supposedly the 08 was the best year of that body style.
My 1992 manual transmission Mazda B2200 pickup is still running after 297,156 miles. I still have the original engine and transmission and I do not see it needing to replace anytime soon. This is going to be the last vehicle I will own because any modern vehicle especially those with a thousand sensors are a nightmare to fix and expensive as he'll too.
You don’t need to go through shop class to know that. Common sense needs to be restored. Most people under a certain age have no clue how their cars work. Probably don’t even know their cars have coolant.
Dave, I worked at a Jag Rover dealer for about five years. The 3.0L and 5.0L Supercharged engines are notorious for having a failed head gasket. Not due to strictly failing because they are bad, but these motors when they have a leak and customers won't fix the issue or say, "ah.. I'llhave them look next oil change", they run them low on coolant and they FAIL. The heads warp easy too. They also burn holes in pistons. When removing the heads, really check out those pistons. Just cover your butt, look you usually do. Timing chains are usually in questions around 100,000 as well. This customer is approaching that mileage and if you have the heads off, that'd be the time to recommend it, in my opinion. - Zack
I sold them for about a year, I was always in the shop looking and asking questions when applicable, and it was all head gaskets on the V8s and the other half seemed to be chasing wire harnesses throughout the whole car. I saw too many engines pulled for what seems like dumb reasons lol
The stupid thing has plastic guides on the timing chain that break, at 112k miles it broke and we ended up buying a new engine. Also the supercharger has a component that cracks causing annoying knock sounds
They’re posting at peak times. I’m sure trying to find what time is best for their audience. Chill guys they just started this channel it’s a growing process.
Dave is THE MAN. What a great mechanic and human being. I’d drive 4 states away just to get Dave to work on my automobiles if I didn’t do the work myself. Top notch
These guys did some work for me and provided absolute top notch communication and feedback. In my case it was costly, but fixing things correctly can cost.
That the thing. As an ex Tech these things cost $. The exp of an honest good tech/shop PAY THEM when u fi d em. I help ppl on sode who are poor but if you wana drive a 70k $ car but cant afford matinence maybe rethink ur life
80% of people who drive these over engineered pieces of u know what cant afford to maintain them. once the warranty is over get rid of it!!! I see and hear the same story everytime for over 30 years , "i'm selling it soon" yet they've been driving the same car for over 5 years @@captaintoyota3171
After watching this I'm going out to the garage and giving a hug to my primitive 1980 Ford F-150 shortbed, carbureted with the original 300 inline 6 cylinder engine 😊. Seems like all new vehicles are over-engineered.☹️
EVERYTHING is over engineered today from vehicles, washers and dryers, your fridge, and etc…. which is why they don’t last. Too many electronic components and those components are coming from China and Mexico. It’s just the world we live in now.
I have been a shop owner/ technician for over 40 years . I admire the professionalism of this shop. It has been my experience with any modern motor that has had a overheating event,damage has occurred. How much damage and how it will manifest itself is unknown. Modern motors are highly engineered precision machines and do not tolerate abuse,which I believe is a poor engineering choice,no room for error. A head gasket failure would be best case .
worked at a Jag/Rover dealer for a bit, had a 2023 full size come in with 3k miles and had a blown head gasket so, they sure make some quality vehicles
If you want a Rover, then buy a Pre-1983 and restore it. I'm a Rover mechanic and these things are meant for the first owner only. They are disposable vehicles. At 60K, replace every plastic and rubber piece under the hood and you'll have some good times. At 70K, replace all the timing chains and guides. Lastly, if you overheat ANY Rover engine, do the heads.
@@JetFire9 Double frequency oil changes are the bare minimum for any car. Switching to a lower pressure coolant is obvious for a plastic cooling system running 30psi.
The first Range Rovers had the Buick V8....only 3500cc but it was better than the current stuff they are putting in them. Rover used to be a quality marque...so sad to see this shit.
I'd rather have an old Lexus GX than any Range Rover. Back in 2004 , my dad had to have a Caddy AWD 6.0 LQ9 Escalade (GMT800 platform). I told him then to get a Lexus or Toyota. The front diff was replaced at 42K miles, then the dreaded AC blend doors where you take the dash out to get to it. But that's about the extent of repairs for the first 80K miles. The GMT800 platform is regarded as one of the best GM truck platforms. It's the LS based Vortec 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 engines that make the GMT800 shine. You do see the old GMT800 quite often with 300K - 400K miles. . I inherited the 2004 Caddy. It always starts and 5 years ago we did a 4K mile trip in it with no problems. Still, the build quality goes to the Lexus. My elderly mom has a 2010 model with nothing ever done to it , except for regular maintenance . My ultimate truck would be a OLD one with a small block Chevy with Turbo 400 tranny . No touch screens, minimal electronics, with 1960s tech cable activated AC controls, with an engine bay you can climb into with room to spare.
Just did this job on a 2016 Supercharged 5.0L a few months. Talk about a major pain the ass trying to get all of the connectors disconnected on the backside of the supercharger. Going back together is even more fun. I replaced most plastic with aluminum upgrades where I could and replaced the other plastic parts that I couldn’t get in aluminum. While I was in there I did the water pump and thermostat as well. The factory coolant crossover at the front of the engine has been updated with a new part number. It is now a single piece of plastic instead of two halves that are fused together. With the old part number, coolant would start leaking where the halves come together as a crack would form. In my experience, the break occurs at the O-ring flange that goes into the engine. I surmise that the plastic just can’t take the heat from the supercharger long term because the crossover pipe was breaking apart as I was taking it out as if it was Bakelite.
Dave, you left us hanging! Great content. I had a friend who was a Range Rover mechanic. He retired early with all the money he made working on them. He was super fast and always blew up the flat rate hours.
It's a tuff business being honest. Some shop's won't be because they will lose business being honest and just can't throw un nessasary parts on it to get extra monies from it, knowing the whole time it would only need the one nessasary part. Great job Dave, I wish we had a shop around us like yourself. Keep up the great work.
A very good honest but difficult conversation with your customer. I know from experience that it is hard to do good responsible repairs to a poor product. Respect.
There are updated Land Rover coolant y-pipes (cylinder outlet pipes), the updated pipes have no seams. been a tech a Land Rover for a few years up in Canada and its super common for those pipes to fail.
Going through a coolant leak now on my 2018 Discovery. Belt is slipping from Coolant when I picked up from the dealership after a 6 week windshield repair. I’m thinking water pump, but now I’m thinking going back to a Yukon or Escalade.
Rover/BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar/Audi….people stop the madness. This is what these vehicles do, they break down. Did you hear Dave, he almost said but he stopped himself…at 70k miles this is when these things start having issues. It’s all downhill after this point. Head gasket at 70K….are you freaking kidding me?? Why are people still buying this JUNK
All cars have their issues too, don’t fool yourself. I’m on my 7th BMW. It’s the devil I know. I know that once it hits around 60k, I need to start watching for leaks both oil and coolant. All manufacturers who use these plastic ended hoses are susceptible to this. I do all my own work and save a ton over money. This motor is Land Rover/Jaguar’s own creation. It might be susceptible to head gasket issues, who knows. Typically a motor has to be beaten hard before a head gasket goes.
Hey Mr Dave this is Felipe from F and F Motors Inc I love the way you contact and explain the situation to this customer, this kind of conversation is a every day for shop owner to try to explain to customers the cars problem. The skills you show in this video definitely I will use in my shop to improve my sales skills and make my customer more comfortable in this process. Thanks.
The approach to doing things right the first time is always much better than fixing it a second time or worse a third time all because you didn't get it done right the first time. It is obvious that Dave likes it done correctly the first time, and that is who you want working on your equipment.
Great video! In the L405 5.0 SC engines there is that plastic y pipe and also a rear plastic crossover tube that connects between the heads by the firewall. That rear crossover tube also leaks the coolant often evaporates as it runs down the bell housing and onto the exhaust. Anytime that SC comes off the front plastic y pipe, rear crossover and the oil cooler gasket should be replaced as they will all fail at some point. There are aftermarket aluminum pipes for the front y hose parts as well. You can also pressure test the block before you put on the SC by capping off some of the open hoses and pumping compress air in, pulling the plugs and seeing if the coolant runs back into the cylinders but the eghaust gas test you recommended is definitive as well. Hope the head gaskets are fine for your customer!
@@Dave-bz4pbman on man. lips to lips. hands, one on the back of my head running fingers thru my hair, one near my butt/hip area. dave holds me close as he whispers into my ear, “never buy a range rover” “yes daddy dave”, i softly reply. we proceeded to make sweet tender love for the remainder of the night til the sunrise
@boxxcarcadavers because those pos Ford plastic parts break all the time. Often they take the entire engine with them. Even with a new engine that plastic piece of shit will lokley break again. Aluminum stops it.
Never buy any LandRover/Jaguar. I heard this story a hundred times from people who bought a used Land Rover and ended up learning they bought someone else’s headache. The new ones spend more time at the dealership than in your driveway.
That's absurd advice. The issue here is the guy buying a problem and it getting worse. The issue is the motor, aj126 is known as bring extremely robust, and almost never an issue. I've seen comparable problems on far more Ford's. It means nothing valid. It's just good for a laugh.
@nickr8759 ya, no. Another one. It's not thier engine. It has common shared parts but was solely designed by JLR using the AJ architecture 20 years prior.
Dave, we all wish more mechanics took the time to walk us through exactly what we have going on with our vehicles. This customer is very blessed to have you working on his truck.
This guy is professional , Doctor, smart polite, straight to the point. These are great videos, thanks for taking the time to make them, vary addicting to watch, thanks again for making them............
Great communication by Mr Dave,probably 1st time customer thought he wudb ok wid fix no need to tell coolant burning issues but as we learn from mistakes, he came vry clear dat da day he has rover cooling is always problem
@rlpatton1970 Yuup, first race in Austin, I could hearTHE ENGINE MELODIES far away frm the drop off spot during FP1..... Now , just embarrassment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What's funny is that's crossover pipe is a Ford part. The parts that shit the bed on Land Rovers are mostly Ford made. (It's a Porsche designed, Ford made, Jaguar engine). They need to stop using Ford and BMW parts
These cars are engineered this way for one reason to keep the service department busy. They don’t make a lot of range rovers, but they can insure the dealers make a lot of money on the upfront sale, and all the maintenance that comes, especially after the warranty expires.
Its very nice when a customer understands what’s going on and not causing a lot of drama considering the last customer Dave spoke to almost had a shit fit thanks Dave great job 👍
3.0L supercharged jaguar same plastic cooling system junk, I replaced all the plastic under the supercharger and new water pump, two weeks later overheated and pissed out all the coolant again, at this point I recommend to the customer a junkyard engine or new. Customer traded it in to the dealership
POS Ford made crossover pipe. This is why you don't use German (Porsche) designed engines made by Ford and used by Tata (JLR). It's a perfect POS. Ironically the AJ engines themself are pretty bullet proof, but the cost cutting plastic parts will grenade them.
@@mambofox4333 I found out the hard way with this plastic rear tubes from cylinders heads, transmission hoses, nipple on the water pump, only serviced with the pump assembly, bleader housing J tube that the dealer has 20 in stock lol
I've never had a technician much less than shop.Owner.Talk to me as a customer that way, Lord.I would so appreciate a technician mechanic owner talking the way Dave talked to this customer.Thank you for the video david
@@aaronkoivu +1 .. Similar "#1 Vehicle Stolen" throughout the U.K. .. Here in Vail, CO there isn't week that goes by that a flatbed tow is carrying a Range Rover. .. Range Rover Denver is 100 miles..
I have a Jaguar with this motor. I find it funny how people shit in these things. Yes these plastic coolant hoses have issues. They sit under the supercharger and on the back of the motor behind the charger. Where most of the heat goes. They’re half and half pieces molded together and eventually break after so long of wear. There’s a kit for these motors less than 100$ where you replace the two different pipes with aluminum pipes. I did mine and it took me 3 hours maybe? Got a 17 Xe. Haven’t had a single issue since I bought it with 60,000 I’m at 90 now. I replaced these tubes as preventative maintenance. The tubes have been on for 20-22 thousand miles. Dave’s right in the fact that landrover Jaguar sucks at making plastic parts. They need to be upgraded
There is money to be made, you just gotta have the grit to stay calm talking to the misinformed/disgruntled customers. I'm a tech and a solid advisor is priceless.
A couple of questions 1. could the Radiator cap be over pressuring the system? 2. If the system is pressuring so much that it breaks the plastic parts, why is this excessive pressure not be relieved, by the Radiator cap? (pressure building up to fast from blown head gasket??)
Maximum pressure, high temp from overheating. bad plastic, 70k+ mileage and it's a RR at the end of expected trouble free (?) life. A friend in a 100 year old family car business won't touch them!
This plastic piece is the coolant flow control valve on the L405's. This meant it is the first casualty in the pressurized line. If you want to own a land rover, you have to be a dang good mechanic with a 2 post lift!
"Were gonna test that" wait a second, this isn't Project Farm ! Fixing modern cars cooling systems, so you can do a hydrocarbon test is all too common. A customer who says they ran it until it went reduced power, is rare honestly. I would handle it just the same way, Dave.
Plastic is killing the industry IMO! That being said an engine nor running right does not help matters. Range Rovers and Land Rovers are so nice, but they can sure be expensive to take care of. Personally I would not own one even though they are super nice. Too many head aches for my taste I will stick with Toyota or Lexus.
The seller ( dealer or private party) knew about the problem even without destroying the plastic water pipe. The buyer got suckered. A friend loves his Range Rovers but doesn't keep them long enough to need their first oil change.
@@hokie9910 I am serious. He does very well financially and even though he is not in the auto industry he buys exotic cars and muscle cars and trucks, barely puts any miles on them. Keeps them super clean and very often sells them at a profit. Not so much since he sold his mansion with the large garage. The list of brands is unbelievable, foreign and domestic.
@@erocksproduct Design constraints, cheap materials such as plastic for essential engine components such as Ford also use including plastic sumps, wet rubber timing belts running through red hot engine oil, plastic water pumps, etc, ...... all of these silly decisions are taken by directors looking for greater profits, decisions pushed through by the boardroom, the paymasters, the owners. No self respecting engineer, British or American or indeed of any nationality wants to choose these materials.
Rovers have cool interiors and exteriors, but the engineering is so mixed. If you’re going for long term quality in an SUV, go Toyota / Lexus with few to no issues.
Dave very good communication with the customer .
I think he purchased someone else's problem !!
Love the correct way you explained what could be going on and what needs to be done to diagnose this issue. I am a retired service writer from a Dodge Dealership and service wrote for Case IH Tractor Dealership. Same philosophy...different equipment. If I was younger I would have loved to worked with you in Service. Lots of Dealerships and independents really do not appreciate a GOOD Service writer. It takes a particular person to do it just like all the other positions as well. Love your channel. 👍🙏
@@44carbine91It’s amazing the incompetent people they hire now for service writers. Some know nothing about cars and don’t want to know. If you go to Tesla, they only hire arrogant punks that will never ever learn how to change their own tire.
100% those buggers KNEW it was failing and passed it off onto him. Talk about getting screwed.
I would never purchase a second hand Rover. They are only good for the length of the lease. If that long.
@@jasonharrison601 FALSE. Range Rovers come with longer warranties. Off lease Rovers still have 2 years of warranty and are excellent buys. Learn how to care for their weak points, like any vehicle, and they are very cheap to own. Ask me how I know.
Worked as a dealer Mercedes tech for 7 yrs. Sure do love my Honda.
I don't think you'll ever see a master tech at any of those euro makes driving their cars lol. HG at 70k is inexcusable.
Some do but older models that they tinker with. I know a BMW top tech and his daily is a Toyota Corolla.@caleb7674
This is what I always tell people. Look at the trucks and cars that Techs drive. The last thing they want to do is fix their own cars. Lol
@@artm5583who wants to work on cars all day and then go home and still have to work on yours feels like you never left work
2915 Honda sport no turbo 2 liter yummmy vehicle
Bought a Honda new 14 years ago. 250,000 miles, ice cold ac still running strong.
Gotta love Freon
I have a 08 pilot. The AC stopped blowing cold last year, but I have been driving something else, so I haven't messed with it. Probably just needs a recharge.
I bought it used with 140,000 miles on it. They had the timing chain replaced at 125,000, and it has about 180,000 on it now.
I hope that it lasts. I know those pilots are known for weak transmissions, but supposedly the 08 was the best year of that body style.
It’s a status symbol. Those people just run over every 60-65k money
My 1992 manual transmission Mazda B2200 pickup is still running after 297,156 miles. I still have the original engine and transmission and I do not see it needing to replace anytime soon. This is going to be the last vehicle I will own because any modern vehicle especially those with a thousand sensors are a nightmare to fix and expensive as he'll too.
im going to go give my ‘91 LS400 a hug. 391K, daily driver. *Everything* works.
And that is why high schools need shop classes restored. One should know that if your vehicle is eating coolant you have an issue.
Shop class has be replaced by WOKE bullshit 101
You don’t need to go through shop class to know that. Common sense needs to be restored. Most people under a certain age have no clue how their cars work. Probably don’t even know their cars have coolant.
@@JonBecker81 understood but it could not hurt.
The guy clearly understood there was an issue with his vehicle losing coolant
@@adam_helmsmasher8543 agreed and fail to communicate that to Dave’s team. Denial or stupidity. Same end result.
If only every customer was as cool and understanding as this one.
if only shop owner was as good as Dave
When you have a little extra $ in your pocket
..life isn't too bad
Dave, I worked at a Jag Rover dealer for about five years. The 3.0L and 5.0L Supercharged engines are notorious for having a failed head gasket. Not due to strictly failing because they are bad, but these motors when they have a leak and customers won't fix the issue or say, "ah.. I'llhave them look next oil change", they run them low on coolant and they FAIL. The heads warp easy too. They also burn holes in pistons. When removing the heads, really check out those pistons. Just cover your butt, look you usually do.
Timing chains are usually in questions around 100,000 as well. This customer is approaching that mileage and if you have the heads off, that'd be the time to recommend it, in my opinion.
- Zack
I sold them for about a year, I was always in the shop looking and asking questions when applicable, and it was all head gaskets on the V8s and the other half seemed to be chasing wire harnesses throughout the whole car. I saw too many engines pulled for what seems like dumb reasons lol
The stupid thing has plastic guides on the timing chain that break, at 112k miles it broke and we ended up buying a new engine. Also the supercharger has a component that cracks causing annoying knock sounds
No, the head gaskets just fail don't need to overheat them. It deteriorates and is designed to fail at the engineering level.
@@nathanokioga Pretty sure most timing chains which are tensioned use plastic guides.
Range rovers have a good motor. It is the owner that don't maintain them properly.
What a good customer. He understood everything Dave was saying. He really showed respect to Dave!
Cmon Dave, quit leaving us hanging. 😢
Yea, that Really sucked !!! i want to know if it's got hydro carbons or not. not cool dave !
10 minute money maker
They’re posting at peak times. I’m sure trying to find what time is best for their audience. Chill guys they just started this channel it’s a growing process.
it does would alomost bet everything i got on it@@OcRefrig
Lol, I hate cliffhangers! ;)
Great content Dave thank you :)
Dave is THE MAN. What a great mechanic and human being. I’d drive 4 states away just to get Dave to work on my automobiles if I didn’t do the work myself. Top notch
I think he must call nazi man Putin, he will have a chock!
These guys did some work for me and provided absolute top notch communication and feedback.
In my case it was costly, but fixing things correctly can cost.
That the thing. As an ex Tech these things cost $. The exp of an honest good tech/shop PAY THEM when u fi d em. I help ppl on sode who are poor but if you wana drive a 70k $ car but cant afford matinence maybe rethink ur life
80% of people who drive these over engineered pieces of u know what cant afford to maintain them. once the warranty is over get rid of it!!! I see and hear the same story everytime for over 30 years , "i'm selling it soon" yet they've been driving the same car for over 5 years @@captaintoyota3171
Yes, whenever they take the time to sit you down to speak at length, you know you’re going to be bamboozled!
@@JetFire9 it's a gasket failure. Popping plastic parts that act as a fuse. Fact.
This is just an independent shop being honest.
Well said
After watching this I'm going out to the garage and giving a hug to my primitive 1980 Ford F-150 shortbed, carbureted with the original 300 inline 6 cylinder engine 😊. Seems like all new vehicles are over-engineered.☹️
There is no black box to report back to the cops and insurance company either.
@@who_wantsityup, also no ECM, no door alarms, no airbags.
EVERYTHING is over engineered today from vehicles, washers and dryers, your fridge, and etc…. which is why they don’t last. Too many electronic components and those components are coming from China and Mexico.
It’s just the world we live in now.
more like under-engineered, over complicated.
Inline 6 just gave me a Chubb.
That car has a range of costs
All of them Rover budget.
@@KillaninjaFC :)
Anything plastic has a finite and short lifespan!
Ya high and extra high
In Dutch the word "rover" means robber.
Love seeing how you handle the calls with the customers.
I have been a shop owner/ technician for over 40 years . I admire the professionalism of this shop. It has been my experience with any modern motor that has had a overheating event,damage has occurred. How much damage and how it will manifest itself is unknown. Modern motors are highly engineered precision machines and do not tolerate abuse,which I believe is a poor engineering choice,no room for error. A head gasket failure would be best case .
worked at a Jag/Rover dealer for a bit, had a 2023 full size come in with 3k miles and had a blown head gasket so, they sure make some quality vehicles
that was a gift reminder from Ford. back in the days with old 4.2 jaguar.
If you want a Rover, then buy a Pre-1983 and restore it. I'm a Rover mechanic and these things are meant for the first owner only. They are disposable vehicles. At 60K, replace every plastic and rubber piece under the hood and you'll have some good times. At 70K, replace all the timing chains and guides. Lastly, if you overheat ANY Rover engine, do the heads.
If I ever have the money that these crap boxes sell for, I would spend it on appreciating assets!
Or be smart and change the oil twice as often and switch to waterless coolant that has no pressure. Yes, I am next level smarter than you.
@@JetFire9 Double frequency oil changes are the bare minimum for any car. Switching to a lower pressure coolant is obvious for a plastic cooling system running 30psi.
@@JetFire9 Oh your just a peach. You can change the oil and coolant types all you want, a shit box is a shit box.
The first Range Rovers had the Buick V8....only 3500cc but it was better than the current stuff they are putting in them.
Rover used to be a quality marque...so sad to see this shit.
I'd rather have an old Lexus GX than any Range Rover. Back in 2004 , my dad had to have a Caddy AWD 6.0 LQ9 Escalade (GMT800 platform). I told him then to get a Lexus or Toyota. The front diff was replaced at 42K miles, then the dreaded AC blend doors where you take the dash out to get to it. But that's about the extent of repairs for the first 80K miles. The GMT800 platform is regarded as one of the best GM truck platforms. It's the LS based Vortec 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 engines that make the GMT800 shine. You do see the old GMT800 quite often with 300K - 400K miles. . I inherited the 2004 Caddy. It always starts and 5 years ago we did a 4K mile trip in it with no problems.
Still, the build quality goes to the Lexus. My elderly mom has a 2010 model with nothing ever done to it , except for regular maintenance .
My ultimate truck would be a OLD one with a small block Chevy with Turbo 400 tranny . No touch screens, minimal electronics, with 1960s tech cable activated AC controls, with an engine bay you can climb into with room to spare.
The way Dave articulates to make regular people understand mechanical jargon is impressive.
I wish I could be well spoken. Like Dave
Just did this job on a 2016 Supercharged 5.0L a few months. Talk about a major pain the ass trying to get all of the connectors disconnected on the backside of the supercharger. Going back together is even more fun. I replaced most plastic with aluminum upgrades where I could and replaced the other plastic parts that I couldn’t get in aluminum. While I was in there I did the water pump and thermostat as well.
The factory coolant crossover at the front of the engine has been updated with a new part number. It is now a single piece of plastic instead of two halves that are fused together. With the old part number, coolant would start leaking where the halves come together as a crack would form. In my experience, the break occurs at the O-ring flange that goes into the engine. I surmise that the plastic just can’t take the heat from the supercharger long term because the crossover pipe was breaking apart as I was taking it out as if it was Bakelite.
I just did a.2017 range rover sport. Too easy
Dave, you left us hanging! Great content.
I had a friend who was a Range Rover mechanic. He retired early with all the money he made working on them. He was super fast and always blew up the flat rate hours.
Sounds like this guy bought someone else’s problem unknowingly. Great video Dave. Looking forward to part 2. Take care and stay safe.
It's a tuff business being honest. Some shop's won't be because they will lose business being honest and just can't throw un nessasary parts on it to get extra monies from it, knowing the whole time it would only need the one nessasary part. Great job Dave, I wish we had a shop around us like yourself. Keep up the great work.
A very good honest but difficult conversation with your customer.
I know from experience that it is hard to do good responsible repairs to a poor product.
Respect.
Dave is so unbelievably professional. Impressive. Shame he's 4000 miles away from me 😢
There are updated Land Rover coolant y-pipes (cylinder outlet pipes), the updated pipes have no seams. been a tech a Land Rover for a few years up in Canada and its super common for those pipes to fail.
Hi jlr tech here also. I have seen the new pipes split and leak, the only safest way to bulletproof the outlet pipes is to go aluminum
Should’ve been metal from the factory@@IIlVipeRlII
If the issue is pressure from a failed head gasket, aluminum crossover pipes won’t help that.
Going through a coolant leak now on my 2018 Discovery. Belt is slipping from Coolant when I picked up from the dealership after a 6 week windshield repair. I’m thinking water pump, but now I’m thinking going back to a Yukon or Escalade.
2017 ftype, every coolant hose and gasket in the car started leaking almost exactly at 62k miles
Rover/BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar/Audi….people stop the madness. This is what these vehicles do, they break down. Did you hear Dave, he almost said but he stopped himself…at 70k miles this is when these things start having issues. It’s all downhill after this point. Head gasket at 70K….are you freaking kidding me?? Why are people still buying this JUNK
And Honda, Toyota, Subaru, and older Suzuki and Isuzu aka Japanese cars are the exact opposite!
Dont let the rover fanboys see this
You must be new to the channel! Dave built his audience on the crap US auto makers have built. It's rare he has a european vehicle in the shop.
Sheeple buy those brands because they are status symbolic vehicles.
All cars have their issues too, don’t fool yourself.
I’m on my 7th BMW. It’s the devil I know. I know that once it hits around 60k, I need to start watching for leaks both oil and coolant. All manufacturers who use these plastic ended hoses are susceptible to this. I do all my own work and save a ton over money.
This motor is Land Rover/Jaguar’s own creation. It might be susceptible to head gasket issues, who knows. Typically a motor has to be beaten hard before a head gasket goes.
Every city needs a Dave!
Dave you have great people and communication skills, able to translate the technical jargon into language the average person can understand.
this type of service is unmatched 👍
Hey Mr Dave this is Felipe from F and F Motors Inc I love the way you contact and explain the situation to this customer, this kind of conversation is a every day for shop owner to try to explain to customers the cars problem. The skills you show in this video definitely I will use in my shop to improve my sales skills and make my customer more comfortable in this process. Thanks.
I love this shop. Such great mechanics and top notch customer service. Good job Dave!
Great interaction with your customer.
Clear and concise communication…..I wouldn’t mind spending money at his shop
Good, reasonable, common sense, common courtesy customer. Good work bruv. Looking forward to seeing part two!
I love how you treat your customers.
The approach to doing things right the first time is always much better than fixing it a second time or worse a third time all because you didn't get it done right the first time. It is obvious that Dave likes it done correctly the first time, and that is who you want working on your equipment.
Great video! In the L405 5.0 SC engines there is that plastic y pipe and also a rear plastic crossover tube that connects between the heads by the firewall. That rear crossover tube also leaks the coolant often evaporates as it runs down the bell housing and onto the exhaust. Anytime that SC comes off the front plastic y pipe, rear crossover and the oil cooler gasket should be replaced as they will all fail at some point. There are aftermarket aluminum pipes for the front y hose parts as well. You can also pressure test the block before you put on the SC by capping off some of the open hoses and pumping compress air in, pulling the plugs and seeing if the coolant runs back into the cylinders but the eghaust gas test you recommended is definitive as well. Hope the head gaskets are fine for your customer!
Excellent communication of the problem and possible options with the customer! Very professional.
Very good Sir now I'm hooked to find out the answers. Have a good day.
I'm a Toyota dealership tech and I would love to work for/with Dave at his shop. The things I could learn. Man on man.
Man on man?
@@Dave-bz4pbman on man. lips to lips. hands, one on the back of my head running fingers thru my hair, one near my butt/hip area. dave holds me close as he whispers into my ear, “never buy a range rover”
“yes daddy dave”, i softly reply.
we proceeded to make sweet tender love for the remainder of the night til the sunrise
Lmao!
@@Dave-bz4pbGuy might be better off getting an internship for P Diddy.
@@thedalillamalmao!!!
There's an aluminum upgrade for all plastic parts on the range
Why bother if the head gasket is blown?
@boxxcarcadavers because those pos Ford plastic parts break all the time. Often they take the entire engine with them. Even with a new engine that plastic piece of shit will lokley break again. Aluminum stops it.
The aluminum parts are Chinese and don't fit correctly.
As expensive as these things are there should be no plastic parts. It's amazing these things are so poorly built.
@@donlarson3884 , that´s a Ford engine ! also the mains reason LR gave up on them in 2023
Very interesting diagnosis and testing to find the true issues!
I've never had my vehicle repaired by you guys but I would be a customer for life.
Never buy any LandRover/Jaguar. I heard this story a hundred times from people who bought a used Land Rover and ended up learning they bought someone else’s headache. The new ones spend more time at the dealership than in your driveway.
That's absurd advice. The issue here is the guy buying a problem and it getting worse. The issue is the motor, aj126 is known as bring extremely robust, and almost never an issue. I've seen comparable problems on far more Ford's. It means nothing valid. It's just good for a laugh.
@timk.537 this is basically a ford its their engine
All facts!
I bought a mechanically totaled Land Rover at a salvage auction. That was 20k miles ago and it's still going strong. 🤷🏼♂️
@nickr8759 ya, no. Another one. It's not thier engine. It has common shared parts but was solely designed by JLR using the AJ architecture 20 years prior.
Dave, we all wish more mechanics took the time to walk us through exactly what we have going on with our vehicles. This customer is very blessed to have you working on his truck.
Dave, I am going to say you are the definition of what a great auto shop should be 👍
What a great mechanic. Explaining everything in terms that lay people can understand.
Master Class Dave!
Landrovers come from the assembly line with a check engine light on.
It’s the only dashboard light that works and doesn’t go out 😂
@@Generalkenobi325 Haha you are right!
@@Generalkenobi325, still better than a Jeep
@@outland4 Probably not. I’m no fan of modern Jeeps but I’ve seen Hemi’s with 300,000 miles with just oil changes.
This guy is professional , Doctor, smart polite, straight to the point. These are great videos, thanks for taking the time to make them, vary addicting to watch, thanks again for making them............
Dave your the expert communicator.well done.😮
Great communication by Mr Dave,probably 1st time customer thought he wudb ok wid fix no need to tell coolant burning issues but as we learn from mistakes, he came vry clear dat da day he has rover cooling is always problem
love the F1 sounds intro
....SOUND before stupid hybrid era.....😂😂😂😂😂
@@mbaktari8194 absolutely.. first I ever seen I person was early 2000s and was the most violet sound to ever come out of a car and transmission
@rlpatton1970 Yuup, first race in Austin, I could hearTHE ENGINE MELODIES far away frm the drop off spot during FP1.....
Now , just embarrassment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good job Dave and Auto Center staff.
Why do people buy these SUVs? A three second search will find a LIST of reliability issues.
Because they look cool and they're comfortable. That's it.
because its a status symbol for them.... its look at me , look at what i drive
They make ppl feel fancy!😂
What's funny is that's crossover pipe is a Ford part. The parts that shit the bed on Land Rovers are mostly Ford made. (It's a Porsche designed, Ford made, Jaguar engine). They need to stop using Ford and BMW parts
Consumer Reports still pimps this garbage. They consistently pick the worst vehicles.
These cars are engineered this way for one reason to keep the service department busy. They don’t make a lot of range rovers, but they can insure the dealers make a lot of money on the upfront sale, and all the maintenance that comes, especially after the warranty expires.
Top notch dave! Setting industry benchmarks
I love your show, you guys do a great job. Cheers from New Zealand 🙂
Its very nice when a customer understands what’s going on and not causing a lot of drama considering the last customer Dave spoke to almost had a shit fit thanks Dave great job 👍
3.0L supercharged jaguar same plastic cooling system junk, I replaced all the plastic under the supercharger and new water pump, two weeks later overheated and pissed out all the coolant again, at this point I recommend to the customer a junkyard engine or new. Customer traded it in to the dealership
POS Ford made crossover pipe. This is why you don't use German (Porsche) designed engines made by Ford and used by Tata (JLR). It's a perfect POS.
Ironically the AJ engines themself are pretty bullet proof, but the cost cutting plastic parts will grenade them.
@@mambofox4333 I found out the hard way with this plastic rear tubes from cylinders heads, transmission hoses, nipple on the water pump, only serviced with the pump assembly, bleader housing J tube that the dealer has 20 in stock lol
Man you guys are the best that how you make a video and communicate to a customer.
I've never had a technician much less than shop.Owner.Talk to me as a customer that way, Lord.I would so appreciate a technician mechanic owner talking the way Dave talked to this customer.Thank you for the video david
Do NOT buy a Range Rover! 😅
I couldn’t agree more. My wife wants one, and I tell her get ready to drain your bank account on repairs.
Says someone who has never owned one or never will. They are some of the most amazing cars you can buy
Jaguar/Rover
@@RenoBusdriver Range Rover #1 vehicle stolen in Toronto/Brampton
@@aaronkoivu +1 .. Similar "#1 Vehicle Stolen" throughout the U.K. .. Here in Vail, CO there isn't week that goes by that a flatbed tow is carrying a Range Rover. .. Range Rover Denver is 100 miles..
Unrelated question here: Do you think you could do a video on tuners/tuning?
Thanks for the feedback, we will add that to our video list. Appreciate you watching our channel.
Great communication from both sides.
I appreciate that you take your time with the customers.
We’re in a new era of TH-cam finally, Theirs like 5-6 NEW car Chanel’s that are actually entertaining and informative
Dave Auto Center, The Back Speed Boys, Tom’s refurb, BlackCarGuru, Ari&Cars, OG schefchen
Don't forget the OLD car channels: South Main Auto, The Car Care Nut, Car Wizard and ScannerDanner.
I have a Jaguar with this motor. I find it funny how people shit in these things. Yes these plastic coolant hoses have issues. They sit under the supercharger and on the back of the motor behind the charger. Where most of the heat goes. They’re half and half pieces molded together and eventually break after so long of wear. There’s a kit for these motors less than 100$ where you replace the two different pipes with aluminum pipes. I did mine and it took me 3 hours maybe? Got a 17 Xe. Haven’t had a single issue since I bought it with 60,000 I’m at 90 now. I replaced these tubes as preventative maintenance. The tubes have been on for 20-22 thousand miles. Dave’s right in the fact that landrover Jaguar sucks at making plastic parts. They need to be upgraded
DAVE YOU'RE THE MAN !! You guys are so smart
very understanding and straightforward love it!
I’m thinking of being a service advisor learning a lot from the way Dave communicates
There is money to be made, you just gotta have the grit to stay calm talking to the misinformed/disgruntled customers. I'm a tech and a solid advisor is priceless.
A couple of questions 1. could the Radiator cap be over pressuring the system? 2. If the system is pressuring so much that it breaks the plastic parts, why is this excessive pressure not be relieved, by the Radiator cap? (pressure building up to fast from blown head gasket??)
Sounds very reasonable. Cap should be rated under pressure to split plastic components open.
Maximum pressure, high temp from overheating. bad plastic, 70k+ mileage and it's a RR at the end of expected trouble free (?) life. A friend in a 100 year old family car business won't touch them!
This plastic piece is the coolant flow control valve on the L405's. This meant it is the first casualty in the pressurized line.
If you want to own a land rover, you have to be a dang good mechanic with a 2 post lift!
Nice job explaining to the costumer the X-ray test of the head gasket 👍
Dave, you are super professional 👏 👌
Love watching your y/tube videos
Looks like an opportunity for a machinist to hack out some aircraft grade aluminum replacement parts.
"Were gonna test that" wait a second, this isn't Project Farm !
Fixing modern cars cooling systems, so you can do a hydrocarbon test is all too common. A customer who says they ran it until it went reduced power, is rare honestly. I would handle it just the same way, Dave.
What a mature sensible customer as well!
Always an outstanding video and presentation.
Sounds like head gaskets for sure. Good customer service!
Plastic is killing the industry IMO! That being said an engine nor running right does not help matters. Range Rovers and Land Rovers are so nice, but they can sure be expensive to take care of. Personally I would not own one even though they are super nice. Too many head aches for my taste I will stick with Toyota or Lexus.
I agree but even worse plastic is killing the planet
Dave is a true master of his craft.
I have owned two Range Rovers. Once they start to have problems it never ends. Have one sitting in my driveway right now broken down. Piece of crap!
Yep. I don't have one but I know someone who did. Same problem. Once it starts, it never ends
Good old British engineering
So what happened?
One of my new favorite Chanel’s Dave!
You need more videos! Great stuff! Retired tech.
Thanks, will do!
The seller ( dealer or private party) knew about the problem even without destroying the plastic water pipe. The buyer got suckered. A friend loves his
Range Rovers but doesn't keep them long enough to need their first oil change.
Are you serious? Is this person deranged? Why would anyone buy a new car every 5-10k miles? That is very odd.
@@hokie9910 I am serious. He does very well financially and even though he is not in the auto industry he buys exotic cars
and muscle cars and trucks, barely puts any miles on them. Keeps them super clean
and very often sells them at a profit. Not
so much since he sold his mansion with the
large garage. The list of brands is unbelievable, foreign and domestic.
Scrap it!
DAVE,THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY OUR WORLD AS TECHS.AND YOU SAID IT RIGHT.(WE HAVE TO FIX THE LEAKS KNOWN BEFORE WE CAN TEST ANYFURTHER.GOOD VID MY MAN!!
Dave, you are the BEST.....
If it is one thing the Brit’s know to do, make unreliable cars.
Range Rovers ain't British, haven't been for years.
@@manuelhung7571 ownership is different, majority of high end are still developed ,design and made in England by the Brits.
@@erocksproduct Design constraints, cheap materials such as plastic for essential engine components such as Ford also use including plastic sumps, wet rubber timing belts running through red hot engine oil, plastic water pumps, etc, ...... all of these silly decisions are taken by directors looking for greater profits, decisions pushed through by the boardroom, the paymasters, the owners. No self respecting engineer, British or American or indeed of any nationality wants to choose these materials.
..it´s a FORD AJ engine. American
Tell the customer to tell his wife he’s scraping it and buying her something that will last for 800,000 miles.An old crown Vic police car.
Great way to assess & explain this situation 🤜
Glad you think so!
It’s funny how it like pulling teeth to get the whole story!!! I feel your frustration! Thanks guys!
Buy a Lexus if you want a high end SUV.
What about Porsche or Benzo😂😂😂
Nah some customers are very picky when it comes to their cars lol
This makes me happy not owning a Range Rover 😂
Rovers have cool interiors and exteriors, but the engineering is so mixed. If you’re going for long term quality in an SUV, go Toyota / Lexus with few to no issues.
Dave, where is part2? Need to know. Love the way you explain the process!
You guys are a class act
Bro wtf. Why the cliff hanger?! Man tell us!!!
We put out videos in real time, as we are working on them. Don't mean to give you a cliffhanger. 👍. Don't want to do cliffhangers.
What a great explanation! ❤
Thanks for posting. I would be interested on the test results. When I was in school we were just getting into the four gas testing. Thanks.