In LeBron's defense (heh), he absolutely deserved it in 2013. He allowed Miami's ultra-aggressive perimeter scheme to work because he could basically roam the half-court and consistently position himself perfectly. The Orlando Magic created a computer simulation to compare tracking-data to a theoretically "perfect" NBA player, and had to revise it because LeBron performed better than their max score. He was such an absurd combination of strength, size, and speed that he successfully guarded Tony Parker and Tim Duncan in the Finals, sometimes in the same possession. Marc Gasol was...a capable phone-booth defender.
@@whatslaps Kawai finished third and defensive player behind Rudy and Draymond of the year and third behind Russell, Westbrook, and harden; Tamasha have three straight defensive players of the years in his name
Rudy not being able to guard the perimeter is a media narrative. But you did get it right - Utah had traffic cones on defense, which made it detrimental on most occasions for him to step out to the perimeter. Now, in Minnesota, he has other capable perimeter defenders and other bigs who can switch to rim protection.
I think it’s interesting how league leaders in defensive counting stats don’t often win DPOY and I’m glad about it, just kinda surprising because you would think that those would factor in pretty heavily for something like that. Taking the whole team into account is a good factor to consider, important for figuring true defensive ability and effectiveness not just possible “inflated” numbers. Shout out to Dudley, respected his play style, hustle and headiness as a player, I generally like quirky unorthodox stuff that works. Same goes for White. Dray certainly has his issues, but he definitely has a good 6th sense of what to do on defense to help disrupt his opponent. Good point on what good defense actually looks like without seeing blocks and steals occur on any given possession. Both DPOYs who got 2nd team all-defense blow my mind, how can that even be possible?! Makes no sense. I guess the narrative argument certainly plays a part in that, but still. Kinda too bad Bron didn’t get it, would have been cool for that to be part of his goat resume. That Hakeem season was amazing, he’s a bad man for that one. Thanks again home skillet, appreciate you as always.
Personally I'd be a fan of having a computer decide all the NBA awards. It'd be interesting if they took past data to train AI to know what makes a player all-nba ,mvp,dpoy, etc. Or something that can analyze video and answer the question which player has the most importance. Could be cool. It'd probably look the same as always, but it'd be an interesting concept. Thanks for the support brother!
DPOY is impressive individually, but in the end, it doesn't contribute to winning chips. Having one guy thats a lockdown defender is not nearly as effective as a team that plays D in sync
The team’s performance element is weighted way too heavily for all the awards. I agree it should be a factor, but not as much as it is. Ex. We all know the Mavs would be horrendously awful without Luka and his performance is obviously MVP worthy this year but because they are 8th seed he is ranked 3rd. And Wemby on any decent team would be unanimously ROTY and DPOY.
True, but you gotta think of the other side of the coin. A player may have crazy stats, but those stats might be a detriment to his team. I would argue the Russ year.
@@whatslapsagreed. That’s why it should be a factor, but imo not as much as it is. It’s MVP, not MVP on best team… we already have an award for that, the Finals MVP. It further hurts team loyalty because being the best player in the league at anything means nothing without being on the best teams. For a while Chet was leading in ROTY race for only the reason that he was on a better team.
@@DiceRolls tbh the last part of that isn't true, it's not just that he was on a better team, it's that until the last few months of the season webby and chet were actually neck and neck in terms of performance. But as wemby adjusted to the league more he pulled away
I think in most team sports, basketball included, defense is more dependent on team coordination than offense. Obviously both aspects of the game require the team to work as a unit, but generally, putting a single great offensive player on an average team helps it more than adding a great defensive player. Defense as a whole is just as important as offense, if not more so, but it's hard for an individual player to have the kind of impact on defense that a Jokic, Mahomes or Messi has on offense.
that's true. I think of it as Defense plays itself to some degree because making sure a ball doesn't go through the hoop is easier than putting a ball through a hoop.
Tim Duncan low key should’ve won it in 2001 also while it doesn’t bother me too much Dennis Rodman winning back to back DPOYs in the same seasons Hakeem was putting up 14 rebounds and 4 blocks is wild.
huge fan of your videos and editing, always saw clips from following you on tiktok but you never made it into my recommended on yt until now. the sound effects you use scratch my brain in the way bill nye's did when i was a kid and i love it
Why Wemby is your 2024 DPOY: - Leads the league in blocks (by far) - Leads the league in stocks (by far) - #2 in steals league-wise in February… - Spurs defense is elite (#5) with him on the floor. Could have been higher had he played center full season… - Spurs defense is DEAD LAST when he’s off the floor. Not only dead last but also historically bad defensively. Competing for the “worst defensive team ever” title when he’s off the court. - Only player with 10 blocks in a game this season. - Only player with back to back 5steals 5blocks games since MJ. - And the number of shots the opposing team does not take because he’s there is probably his biggest argument that does not show up in the stat sheet. - Opposing teams are setting high screens, double screens, re-screens, just to make sure he’s out of the paint… for a rookie… That’s how impactful he is. He is the DPOY and it’s not even close. By - @Peroriperora
Either Bron or Serge should have won in 2013. That aside, many past-time players would have had a ridiculous number of DPOYs had the award existed back then. We all know the usual suspects: Bill, Wilt, Nate, Bobby Jones, Bob Lanier, Wes Unseld, Alvin Robertson etc. Jrue Holiday, Alex Caruso, Matisse Thybulle, Anthony Davis and Victor Webanyama are probably the best defenders at their respective positions right now, which one of them has DPOY?! - None! Awards are BS, take Embiid's MVP over Nikola, pure media-forced nonsense, as it has almost always been, and surely enough, better players proved themselves in the playoffs those respective years and exposed the league for who the real N1 was, like Hakeem in 1995, MJ in 1997, Lebron in 2017, or Nikola as mentioned. Oh and don't forget the eras and rules, it's almost nonsensical to determine who the greatest defenders are merely by accolades and stats.
that's true. I heard Nick Friedell say he was voting for Embiid because he wanted a new person get the award and give a speech. He was fired from ESPN not too long after that.
@ Sure he ain’t the only one. I also have a take that Manu Ginobili is a top 5 SG behind MJ, Kobe, Jerry and Flash and ppl always throw the lack of stats and individual accolades at me (while he clearly should have been 2005 Finals MVP) and put someone like Harden over him. I simply can’t explain this to someone who doesn’t ACTUALLY watch the damn game.
In LeBron's defense (heh), he absolutely deserved it in 2013. He allowed Miami's ultra-aggressive perimeter scheme to work because he could basically roam the half-court and consistently position himself perfectly. The Orlando Magic created a computer simulation to compare tracking-data to a theoretically "perfect" NBA player, and had to revise it because LeBron performed better than their max score. He was such an absurd combination of strength, size, and speed that he successfully guarded Tony Parker and Tim Duncan in the Finals, sometimes in the same possession. Marc Gasol was...a capable phone-booth defender.
I could see them retroactively taking the award back and giving it to Bron. Wouldn't even be weird for the NBA.
Tim Duncan was all defence, a MVP, and a finals MVP but not a DPOY all in the same year.
yeah, same with bron
@@whatslaps bron didnt win dpoy unfortunately
@@lukehTM Yep, that's why they didn't claim he did.
kawhi 2017 & lebron 2013 should’ve won mvps & dpoy in the same season
Kawhi for MVP? where did he finish in the voting?
@@whatslaps Kawai finished third and defensive player behind Rudy and Draymond of the year and third behind Russell, Westbrook, and harden; Tamasha have three straight defensive players of the years in his name
@Jasonlang666 this was 2012 stupid and lay off the fentanyl
Rudy for DPOY 4!!!
he'll get it.
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Wembanyama for dpoy
it's not out of the question, but it's getting close.
No chance, gobert is locked
If wemby didn’t exist nobody would be talking about the DPOY award
Gobert is still a mile ahead of Wemby on defense.
@@imdarealani wemby has more blocks than gobert
Rudy not being able to guard the perimeter is a media narrative. But you did get it right - Utah had traffic cones on defense, which made it detrimental on most occasions for him to step out to the perimeter. Now, in Minnesota, he has other capable perimeter defenders and other bigs who can switch to rim protection.
It's good to see the wolves do well after everyone mocked them after that trade.
And he got cooked in the playoffs again, dude was basically a cone in the mavs series, and he got benched by France in the Olympics for wemby
I think it’s interesting how league leaders in defensive counting stats don’t often win DPOY and I’m glad about it, just kinda surprising because you would think that those would factor in pretty heavily for something like that. Taking the whole team into account is a good factor to consider, important for figuring true defensive ability and effectiveness not just possible “inflated” numbers. Shout out to Dudley, respected his play style, hustle and headiness as a player, I generally like quirky unorthodox stuff that works. Same goes for White. Dray certainly has his issues, but he definitely has a good 6th sense of what to do on defense to help disrupt his opponent. Good point on what good defense actually looks like without seeing blocks and steals occur on any given possession. Both DPOYs who got 2nd team all-defense blow my mind, how can that even be possible?! Makes no sense. I guess the narrative argument certainly plays a part in that, but still. Kinda too bad Bron didn’t get it, would have been cool for that to be part of his goat resume. That Hakeem season was amazing, he’s a bad man for that one. Thanks again home skillet, appreciate you as always.
Personally I'd be a fan of having a computer decide all the NBA awards. It'd be interesting if they took past data to train AI to know what makes a player all-nba ,mvp,dpoy, etc. Or something that can analyze video and answer the question which player has the most importance. Could be cool. It'd probably look the same as always, but it'd be an interesting concept. Thanks for the support brother!
i love these sort of videos keep up the great work!
Sweet! glad you like them!
Love your videos man. Can see the effort that goes into them.
Glad you appreciate it, man!
DPOY is impressive individually, but in the end, it doesn't contribute to winning chips. Having one guy thats a lockdown defender is not nearly as effective as a team that plays D in sync
yeah, it can make up for mistakes but the whole team needs to be locked in.
can u put the link to the dudley videos either in the comments or the description?
google "Jared Dudley Defense". I don't like putting links in the description.
Cam Thomas is the DPOY
you sure about that ;)
The team’s performance element is weighted way too heavily for all the awards. I agree it should be a factor, but not as much as it is.
Ex. We all know the Mavs would be horrendously awful without Luka and his performance is obviously MVP worthy this year but because they are 8th seed he is ranked 3rd.
And Wemby on any decent team would be unanimously ROTY and DPOY.
True, but you gotta think of the other side of the coin. A player may have crazy stats, but those stats might be a detriment to his team. I would argue the Russ year.
@@whatslapsagreed. That’s why it should be a factor, but imo not as much as it is. It’s MVP, not MVP on best team… we already have an award for that, the Finals MVP. It further hurts team loyalty because being the best player in the league at anything means nothing without being on the best teams. For a while Chet was leading in ROTY race for only the reason that he was on a better team.
@@DiceRolls tbh the last part of that isn't true, it's not just that he was on a better team, it's that until the last few months of the season webby and chet were actually neck and neck in terms of performance. But as wemby adjusted to the league more he pulled away
I think in most team sports, basketball included, defense is more dependent on team coordination than offense. Obviously both aspects of the game require the team to work as a unit, but generally, putting a single great offensive player on an average team helps it more than adding a great defensive player. Defense as a whole is just as important as offense, if not more so, but it's hard for an individual player to have the kind of impact on defense that a Jokic, Mahomes or Messi has on offense.
that's true. I think of it as Defense plays itself to some degree because making sure a ball doesn't go through the hoop is easier than putting a ball through a hoop.
Derrick White for DPOY
It's already in the mail
My type of vid, good stuff
glad you dig it!
DPOY favors players who play help defense and accumulate counting stats over solid 1v1 defenders, which I think is a problem.
yup. except the Marcus Smart year.
Whatslaps uploads, I watch. It’s very simple
No need to complicate it.
I feel like the nba could give the dpoy and roty to Wemby this year,
Just to sell a good story and a start of a new era
they should, hes been great both statistically and visually
it'd be crazy. feels like Rudy is copping it.
Will surely have a corndog
you earned it.
Tim Duncan low key should’ve won it in 2001 also while it doesn’t bother me too much Dennis Rodman winning back to back DPOYs in the same seasons Hakeem was putting up 14 rebounds and 4 blocks is wild.
they gotta start letting the viewing public vote for this stuff
Boys, corn dogs are back on the menu
you can always order off menu at whatslaps
Another white dude absolutely killing it with on point analysis
haha, who are your other white dudes?
good video
thank you brother
huge fan of your videos and editing, always saw clips from following you on tiktok but you never made it into my recommended on yt until now. the sound effects you use scratch my brain in the way bill nye's did when i was a kid and i love it
sweet! glad you made your way over to YT! Bill Nye is a major influence.
Rudy. The man. 💪😤
atta boy Rudy!!
If team plays a part of it then Wemby will just continue to be a a candidate while the spurs continue to build
he'll probably get it next year. I don't think it's out of the question for this year either.
Thanks!
May god bless
Why Wemby is your 2024 DPOY:
- Leads the league in blocks (by far)
- Leads the league in stocks (by far) - #2 in steals league-wise in February…
- Spurs defense is elite (#5) with him on the floor. Could have been higher had he played center full season…
- Spurs defense is DEAD LAST when he’s off the floor. Not only dead last but also historically bad defensively. Competing for the “worst defensive team ever” title when he’s off the court.
- Only player with 10 blocks in a game this season.
- Only player with back to back 5steals 5blocks games since MJ.
- And the number of shots the opposing team does not take because he’s there is probably his biggest argument that does not show up in the stat sheet.
- Opposing teams are setting high screens, double screens, re-screens, just to make sure he’s out of the paint… for a rookie… That’s how impactful he is.
He is the DPOY and it’s not even close.
By - @Peroriperora
I think he might win tbh
he also can defend the perimeter
claxton will win this one day
he cute
2K23/24 NBA DPOY: Rudy Gobert
probably
Award def a sham if this happens. Just rename it to DTOY
if wemby doesn't get it, it's 100% a joke.
I hope it is.
Gafford for dpoy best center in the leauge
MFFL here and I like Gafford, but obviously we would take Wemby over Gafford any day.
@@DiceRolls Gafford went to Arkansas though
he was a hot commodity at the deadline.
@@Liamjstone1I’m confused why you mention Arkansas? MFFL is “Mavs Fan For Life”, it’s Mavs slogan. He now plays for the Mavs.
@@DiceRolls I’m a wizards fan and a supporter of the Arkansas basketball team
Either Bron or Serge should have won in 2013. That aside, many past-time players would have had a ridiculous number of DPOYs had the award existed back then. We all know the usual suspects: Bill, Wilt, Nate, Bobby Jones, Bob Lanier, Wes Unseld, Alvin Robertson etc. Jrue Holiday, Alex Caruso, Matisse Thybulle, Anthony Davis and Victor Webanyama are probably the best defenders at their respective positions right now, which one of them has DPOY?! - None! Awards are BS, take Embiid's MVP over Nikola, pure media-forced nonsense, as it has almost always been, and surely enough, better players proved themselves in the playoffs those respective years and exposed the league for who the real N1 was, like Hakeem in 1995, MJ in 1997, Lebron in 2017, or Nikola as mentioned. Oh and don't forget the eras and rules, it's almost nonsensical to determine who the greatest defenders are merely by accolades and stats.
that's true. I heard Nick Friedell say he was voting for Embiid because he wanted a new person get the award and give a speech. He was fired from ESPN not too long after that.
@ Sure he ain’t the only one. I also have a take that Manu Ginobili is a top 5 SG behind MJ, Kobe, Jerry and Flash and ppl always throw the lack of stats and individual accolades at me (while he clearly should have been 2005 Finals MVP) and put someone like Harden over him. I simply can’t explain this to someone who doesn’t ACTUALLY watch the damn game.
Bron was robbed
I didn't watch basketball that intently back then. I wish I did, so I knew how it felt.
Marc Gasol was robbed for all defense first team if anything
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Bam dpoy
we'll know soon.