I think League is toxic because of people like me who see a 37 minute video on the toxicity of league, think 'I can do that better in one minute' without watching, and write a comment explaining why they are right.
@@perteadsf4914 I mean you're spot on. League is toxic because it's complex, but looks approachable enough for people that refuse to stop and think, learn from their mistakes or be humble. They keep playing without realizing or respecting this complexity and then (because that's what humans do) try and reason about why they are not having success.
@jacksonbranby Thank you. Reading every single thing I write online is part of my toolkit, as I have in the past said things that I regret, and it's especially easy to be an asshole online.
This imo is a massive cause of the toxicity -> Smurfing is cheating and ruins competitive integrity. We don't have collegiate players in highschoolers games for a reason. Enough with players playing on accounts they don't care about & solo decide game outcomes whether positively or negatively.
A smurf doesn't have an unfair advantage though. They have the same tools you do, they just took time to really understand and get better at the game. Over the course of climbing, you're going to have as many smurfs on your team as on the enemy team. Their impact on your is non-existent.
@@alexrosario423 The first part of your arguement is just wrong. A smurf has an advantage by definition as being someone who is playing subtantially below their MMR or skill level. No shot you would say a professional golfer playing at a weekend club doesn't have an advantage because he still uses a golf ball and putter. On your last point this is ironically the issue. It is true only over a long enough sample size of games, which many players don't play long enough to experience because of how demotivating smurfing is. Personally, on the winning side of having a Katarina go 26-2-5 is not even fun.
@@alexrosario423 A professional football player also had the same tools as an amateur player. Does not make it ok to have a higher skilled player play in a lower tier division, !!!THERE.ARE.TIERS/DIVISIONS.FOR.A.REASON.!!! If you want fairness and a good quality and fair game, everyone is evenly matched. Also, you will encounter smurfs on enemy team more because mathematics. 4 slots on your team, 5 on the enemy. The impact regardless of the team is VERY existent as the games do not end in an organically fair way. Think plz
@@alexrosario423 This isn't true. You have four randoms on your team, five on the enemy. You are always more likely to be smurfed on than aided by a smurf. The reverse is true for inters and trolls. This assumes you aren't either an inter or a smurf, of course 🤣
you kinda touched on it with the elitist mindset. but i think a lot of league players, frankly including myself, have ego issues and think they r better than the other people they are in game with. for example i know i've watched a lot of coach curtis and i genuinely feel like ive learned a lot from your videos but what i didnt realize was because of that i would feel like i had superior understanding of the game or how to play certain matchups compared to my teammates. However that simply wasnt the case. ive found that most of my friends who r higher elo like myself consume a lot of league of legends content that is very different but still learn certain things from them that helps us in ranked, and i think people grossly disrespect each others knowledge and skill at the game cause there are 100 million ways to win and unless u r close to rank one u probably dont have a clue of more than a few of them (which is quite good in itself). sadly ive met MLA players on the ladder who had massive egos cause they thought their mindset was so incredible compared to everyone else who was just randomly playing the game, and that actually was what initially made me think about my own dismissive mentality towards other players. it sounds dumb, but it was hard for me to realize that my teammates were also on a journey exactly like me trying to improve and not just playing every game to carry or troll, or even win or lose - but simply to get better.
@@joetucker13jtgotta do it in tab in game next to the champ icon. Or just mute chat each player in champ select then mute pings in game if they're annoying. Incoming chat is almost entirely useless.
Yo i never comment on anything but holy fuck man.This is like therapy i love league so much been hard stuck emerald 4 (d4 last split) for 7 years. The biggest drawback has always been how emotional and upset i get when i play. Aside from me being hyper focused on my lane lmao. But seriously these videos are like therapy and i think you talking about how to be less harsh on others and avoiding the vicious cycle were in. Fucking golden. Thank you so much for what you're doing. Im trying to remove the toxic cycle so i can just fully love this game.
League is still one of the only modern 5v5 competitive games using only win loss elo with no performance incentives. Games like dota, overwatch, the finals etc have all changed their systems to reward for individual performance. Even if you were losing 2 less LP for playing an S+ loss it would feel much better and atleast you knew you over performing meant something
It’s toxic because of the ranked system. It’s enraging because your climb is based on wins and losses but it’s a 5-player game and your individual performance often has little impact on the outcome of a game, and the matchmaking system is designed to put you where it thinks you belong rather than a hands off ladder and let people end up where they may.
But your individual performance has a MASSIVE impact on the outcome on the game. If this wasn't true than many pro players couldn't climb on a fresh account to masters with 80%+ w/r. Reality is that the ranked system gets you to your approximate rank and then once you're there it feels as if you have little impact because you're playing with people of your rank which means you have about the same impact as all other 9 players. But for example if you're an emerald player and play on an iron account you'll have an absolutely massive impact most games. That's because you're significantly better than the rest of the players. The fact is, if you get better you'll have a bigger impact. If that wasn't true than everyone would be the same rank.
@@skylarkesselring6075 It doesn’t work that way though. Sure, some Masters player on a fresh account can do that with hard carry champs- and note, you still estimate they lose a decent chunk of games, meaning many games are out of your control- but what about someone playing on an account that’s many years old, has thousands of hours on it? It’s very different. The problem is they try to match make for 50/50 games, but in doing so, if you are on an old experienced account they will put experienced players on the other team, so you are never stomping 5 Iron noobs, for example. This is just my experience. I love League of Legends but the ranked system is geared to put you where it thinks you belong, rather than just throwing everyone into the mix and letting people climb and fall
People Like Tyler1 really added to the toxicity in this game. He is THE biggest league streamer ever and quite known for his toxicity. Many others to mention as well. I wouldn't say they are the sole reason but, they added to it in a massive way. This is still being perpetuated.
On the 27:00 segment another factor to consider is that content creators are ultimately there to be entertainers, not teachers. They have more incentive to rage on camera than they do to actually explain their thought process and teach.
While I get you. This shit is also what tilts (for example) junglers who ask for summs and then get no answer from their laner who also doesnt ping summs
@@silentsorrowbane i play jung and play on full mute because people dont track that shit lol and 99% of the time ur laner has no idea, just gotta keep ur eye on skirmishes and trading in lane. just always assume they have flash cause they probably will because people dont know how to trade without all-in dying
A bit of a longer comment here, lets gooo! What really touched me from this video is the empathy part and understanding that no matter how big or small of a mistake is to you, to another person it can be a totally different story. I find that looking at people and judging based on "simple mistake so that means you're a piece of shit or an inter" is just not good for anyone. When we play soloq, we constantly play with random people. This means that we might land on different moods, focus levels, health levels of theirs, capabilities and skill stacks that they have. There's so much rng involved, so to speak, that having this expectation of "well, it's X rank so this means everyone here should know Y and be capable of executing it all the time" is just counter productive. I would go as far as to say- there's no absolute truth as to what rank means what level of skill in each aspect of the game. There is no such thing. What we have instead is the higher that you go in ranks, the more capable people become on average and the more skilled they are in each of the aspects on average. However, that does not mean that every single person at challenger will be better capable of warding than diamond, lets say. It's way more likely to be true and I'd still net on challenger people due to the law of averages, but it doesn't mean they'll put better wards EVERY SINGLE TIME, each of the challengers... That makes me think- there is no point in expecting anything from anyone when people are random. The goal is to find the most effective communication and coordinate to the best of your ability while yourself performing to the best of your mechanical ability each and every single game. Sometimes it'll work out, sometimes it will not. Sometimes you will lack, sometimes teammates will lack. Or sometimes enemies will be way better players in each of the aspects and there's "literally nothing you could do because they're just better". And it's fine. If you play league and want to become better, the only thing to do is... Well, improve on each of your aspects (or some specific ones depending on how you decide to progress). So coming back to toxicity... There's so many expectations where people think "PLAYERS MUST BE THIS WAY", and then they are tilted when people aren't. Also, it's a skill to be a good team player in both communication and coordination. It takes some level of understanding and awareness to know what helps and what doesn't. And so much of the communication on league doesn't help. It just irritates, tilts and triggers people more. There's so much stuff that's said that does not make a positive impact. And keep in mind that most communication happens in a team environment, not all chat. So yeah... Faulty expectations, lack of empathy and understanding that we're all on the same journey but different stages and that there is no "wrong" mistake. All mistakes are mistakes and all can be learnt from. Some will be more costly, some will be less and such is life, but all that you can do really is accept it and move on. There's no changing the past, only learning to adapt to change the course of the future.
The fact that league has been this popular for so long despite the toxicity says something. I always play with chat off and the game is actually enjoyable for the most part.
Personally, I've been playing competitive online games for like 20 years. League isn't even close to the most toxic game I've played. I think people feel League is more toxic than it actually is because they don't have a lot of experience playing other games.
@@stareater4629 Older Halo games, CoDs, Rocket League. Even sports games like Madden and FIFA have a lot of toxic people BMing and raging all the time. I genuinely think Rocket League is one of the most toxic games I've played recently. There's so many cheaters, win traders, and rage monsters in that game. Literally every single ranked game has someone disconnecting or rage typing if they are losing by even a single point. It's the only game I've ever quit because of how toxic it is. I've been playing League for a while and it's not nearly that bad. Sure, there's still tilted players and stuff but it's like 1 in every 10-15 games I play not every single game. I played 6 ranked matches in Emerald yesterday and not a single player was raging in chat (at least not on my team, idk what the enemy was typing to each other). Plus the Riot anti-cheat actually works and there are way less cheaters in League than in games like Rocket League, Counter Strike, and Apex Legends. Apex Legends and Counter Strike cheaters also made me stop wanting to play those games too.
I always look at these types of comments and go, like, you are lucky to have a more positive experience than I’ve seen? While somewhat uncommon, I’ve just never seen players go to the completely psychopathic levels of vitriol they spew in any other multiplayer game. With League it feels like the difference between some guy calling you bitch and trash on voice comms to a guy typing up elaborate death threats in Leagues chat.
There is never a game/match that is quiet so fun/enjoyable then when I find random teammates that I sync well with and we are able to make moves together and read the plays the same way. Getting out of a match and seeing everyone one the team has honored each other.
The game is toxic and is Riot’s fault for not fixing this damn hell of a Matchmaking, every year / new season it gets worst. They said they fixed the autofilled problem but I still being matched with 4 autofilled on my team vs 1 autofilled in the enemy team, I even got an ex Challenger player in a Silver / Gold lobby, Riot is full of lies.
Another issue is how difficult it is to supply meaningful feedback midgame. If you make a mistake that's not as obvious to you, there really isn't time for anyone to explain what you did wrong. The rest of the team is dealing with their own mental stack. I feel like that's another cause of a lot of frustration. There really isn't time for the "I didn't see him", "I was pinging!", "I was fighting the ADC at that point!" Etc... Even if it's something you could theoretically fix midgame, jpbody has time to tell you *how* to fix what you did wrong.
Yep. At best you just get the most vague advice that doesn’t feel like it makes sense during the moment, more commonly you just get get called a dog/trash/ableist slur with no direction on even what, exactly, you did wrong.
This is a good vid btw. I’m of the opinion that it’s actually harder to be a kind person than it is to be a jerk in society in general, let alone League, precisely because the former requires you to put effort to seek understanding and knowledge. You give a good framework for appreciating the complexity of the game and humbling yourself.
It's just a shit game with an EOMM ranked system designed to sabotage you. When I can play Street fighter 6 and reach the 99.9 percentile in terms of mr without teammates ruining my games, it's clearly not a skill issue. I don't have time to spam thousands of games every split to beat the system. EVERY single time without fail when you're 1 game away from promotion the dickheads at riot put you with the worst scum of the earth possible. And the pattern is so consistent it's actually hilarious.
The toxicity lowkey makes me enjoy it 😂 it’s like I love to complain about it. I love trying to achieve a goal (a given rank) that seems so unattainable cuz how my teammates are or how the ranked system works etc. like a stacked deck against me that makes me have to play even more perfect and it only makes me that much happier when I finally achieve my goal. I think it’s like the same effect speed runners experience with they run a game with total bullshit RNG. It makes the world record that much more satisfying when you get it. Plus I just love the game and how it works and something to fill my mind and be competitive at
i don't have fun when i win and i don't have fun when i lose, whenever i decide to play league and my friends ask me why i would play that i say that i just want to get angry
League is a collective game, but its most played gamemode is solo queue. You can't expect tossing random people in the same team and expect it to end well.
This. The most fun I've ever had playing League was when queuing with a full team or in Clash. That's how League is MEANT to be played. You can only play solo queue without compromising your mental if you accept that it's completely chaotic and utterly unlike the intended League experience.
What I hate the most about LoL is that playing well doesn't effect the outcome of most games that are played. In chess +400 elo on an opponent is roughly a 90% win rate. In LoL that amount of elo is the difference between gold and silver. So in a "1v1" lets say in any given game I contribute between 16 and 20 "points" towards my team winning. The person I am against contributes between 1 and 20. There is a 90% chance that I contribute more to my team then my opponent. Now lets say the lobby is filled with people who are on my opponent's level. The enemy team has 5d20 worth of contribution, and my team has 4d20 + (15 + d5). This is roughly a 70% win rate. If you play 10 games in a night, smurfing a tier down, consistently better play would change the result of the game on average twice. 20% of the games you played in mattered. If Riot considers you as a higher mmr player, they might try to "even" it out placing better players on the opposing team and it will be less. If instead of an entire tier above your opponent you are only 2 divisions, then your only going to be at roughly a 58% win rate. You could go a 10 set w/o your play being good enough to change the out come of any of the games that night. Then this all gets thrown out the window when you are placed in lobbies where there is a 10% chance that a team has a smurf/booster that is 3-4 ranks higher then your play. Now in 10% of games there is a 4/9 chance the smurf is on your side and you get a 90% win rate through you and the smurf having better play, and a 5/9 chance that you have a 30% win rate because you are against the smurf. when you only effect 2/10 of the games you play, having a smurf impact 10% of your games is super demotivating. (in the 70% win rate example, the presence of a smurf in games lowers win rate by 1.8%, and removes 9% of the games you would be deciding. In the example where your only 2 divisions higher and your base win rate is 58%, your overall win rate goes to 54.5%. This makes it feel like consistent play isn't rewarding, even if i contribute more to my team then my opponent in 70% of games its only going to effect the outcome of 1 in 20 games. If I don't want to play 1000 games to climb, I need to be not only 70% of the time better, I need to be 90% of the time better, and I need to be able to raise the bar above 20 contribution. I can't play like a gold to get out of silver fast, I need to play like a diamond. I know differences in LP gains/Losses can make it so climbing with a 50% WR is possible, but if the system is giving +20/- 20 LP, its going to take 1000+ games to climb a rank/division
Smurfing, duo q, boosters, length of game, money hungry company all contribute to toxicity.. there r other competitive games that dont require toxicity to be competitive.. its just riot
I'm good with randoms playing like monkeys. Some players simply don't know the right play so they can't make it. My friend who i play with though can't even tell me what they were thinking in the moment. I ask "what were you trying to do" and they literally don't answer. I'm just trying to understand the thought process
The reaseon league is toxic is because it is a "competitive" game that lacks very crucial parts of ways to communicate with your team. The reason we still play it is because of addiction or having fun with friends.
@@Kalsimir nope it doesn't at all. If you have used voice coms every before, you would instantly know this Not to mention that they absolutely butchered the ping system with a whole bunch of restrictions and shit.
@@overpoweredjelly3513 I use voice coms in my WoW guild every day, but pings are what keeps the bacon sizzling. 9/10 your intentions can be communicated thru pings and body language
@@overpoweredjelly3513i think adding something like voice coms would only make it more distracting, i always play a lot worse when i have to worry about listening and talking to someone on discord for example
@@overpoweredjelly3513 My guy I run a WoW guild that gets AOTC each season I probably spend more time managing voice coms than 99% of people lol. The ping system is pretty great if you use it + complementing positioning.
Not being able to articulate one's own abilities is not unique to league of legends and is actually more common than not. Acquiring a skill and analyzing or explaining it are 2 separate things and rarely do people possess both. It has nothing to do with it being a video game.
i don't care about the toxicity ima play Irelia and no body can stop me
Same, imma play pyke mid regardless
I think League is toxic because of people like me who see a 37 minute video on the toxicity of league, think 'I can do that better in one minute' without watching, and write a comment explaining why they are right.
Fun fact: This is exactly what I did. Then, when I read it again, I thought 'WTF am I doing?'
@@perteadsf4914 I mean you're spot on. League is toxic because it's complex, but looks approachable enough for people that refuse to stop and think, learn from their mistakes or be humble. They keep playing without realizing or respecting this complexity and then (because that's what humans do) try and reason about why they are not having success.
@@perteadsf4914props to you for realizing and checking yourself LOL, that matters way more
@jacksonbranby Thank you. Reading every single thing I write online is part of my toolkit, as I have in the past said things that I regret, and it's especially easy to be an asshole online.
This imo is a massive cause of the toxicity -> Smurfing is cheating and ruins competitive integrity. We don't have collegiate players in highschoolers games for a reason. Enough with players playing on accounts they don't care about & solo decide game outcomes whether positively or negatively.
riot doesn't care about competitive integrity. they have duoq, smurfing, constant state of unbalance.
A smurf doesn't have an unfair advantage though. They have the same tools you do, they just took time to really understand and get better at the game. Over the course of climbing, you're going to have as many smurfs on your team as on the enemy team. Their impact on your is non-existent.
@@alexrosario423 The first part of your arguement is just wrong. A smurf has an advantage by definition as being someone who is playing subtantially below their MMR or skill level. No shot you would say a professional golfer playing at a weekend club doesn't have an advantage because he still uses a golf ball and putter. On your last point this is ironically the issue. It is true only over a long enough sample size of games, which many players don't play long enough to experience because of how demotivating smurfing is. Personally, on the winning side of having a Katarina go 26-2-5 is not even fun.
@@alexrosario423 A professional football player also had the same tools as an amateur player. Does not make it ok to have a higher skilled player play in a lower tier division, !!!THERE.ARE.TIERS/DIVISIONS.FOR.A.REASON.!!! If you want fairness and a good quality and fair game, everyone is evenly matched. Also, you will encounter smurfs on enemy team more because mathematics. 4 slots on your team, 5 on the enemy. The impact regardless of the team is VERY existent as the games do not end in an organically fair way. Think plz
@@alexrosario423 This isn't true. You have four randoms on your team, five on the enemy. You are always more likely to be smurfed on than aided by a smurf. The reverse is true for inters and trolls. This assumes you aren't either an inter or a smurf, of course 🤣
you kinda touched on it with the elitist mindset. but i think a lot of league players, frankly including myself, have ego issues and think they r better than the other people they are in game with. for example i know i've watched a lot of coach curtis and i genuinely feel like ive learned a lot from your videos but what i didnt realize was because of that i would feel like i had superior understanding of the game or how to play certain matchups compared to my teammates. However that simply wasnt the case. ive found that most of my friends who r higher elo like myself consume a lot of league of legends content that is very different but still learn certain things from them that helps us in ranked, and i think people grossly disrespect each others knowledge and skill at the game cause there are 100 million ways to win and unless u r close to rank one u probably dont have a clue of more than a few of them (which is quite good in itself).
sadly ive met MLA players on the ladder who had massive egos cause they thought their mindset was so incredible compared to everyone else who was just randomly playing the game, and that actually was what initially made me think about my own dismissive mentality towards other players. it sounds dumb, but it was hard for me to realize that my teammates were also on a journey exactly like me trying to improve and not just playing every game to carry or troll, or even win or lose - but simply to get better.
Yeah thats why i mute chat. Mute pings if ppl become annoying
How do you mute pings without muting chat
@@joetucker13jtgotta do it in tab in game next to the champ icon. Or just mute chat each player in champ select then mute pings in game if they're annoying. Incoming chat is almost entirely useless.
@@JacTicTac mutepings all
@@slof69 does the command /mutechat all also exist?
Coach C out here giving TED talks on League. A philosopher on the rift.
Yo i never comment on anything but holy fuck man.This is like therapy i love league so much been hard stuck emerald 4 (d4 last split) for 7 years. The biggest drawback has always been how emotional and upset i get when i play. Aside from me being hyper focused on my lane lmao. But seriously these videos are like therapy and i think you talking about how to be less harsh on others and avoiding the vicious cycle were in. Fucking golden. Thank you so much for what you're doing. Im trying to remove the toxic cycle so i can just fully love this game.
League is still one of the only modern 5v5 competitive games using only win loss elo with no performance incentives. Games like dota, overwatch, the finals etc have all changed their systems to reward for individual performance. Even if you were losing 2 less LP for playing an S+ loss it would feel much better and atleast you knew you over performing meant something
It’s toxic because of the ranked system. It’s enraging because your climb is based on wins and losses but it’s a 5-player game and your individual performance often has little impact on the outcome of a game, and the matchmaking system is designed to put you where it thinks you belong rather than a hands off ladder and let people end up where they may.
I´ts not just the ranked system. There are surprisingly often very toxic people in normal games.
YES!!! I agree. Any other perspective is cope.
But your individual performance has a MASSIVE impact on the outcome on the game. If this wasn't true than many pro players couldn't climb on a fresh account to masters with 80%+ w/r.
Reality is that the ranked system gets you to your approximate rank and then once you're there it feels as if you have little impact because you're playing with people of your rank which means you have about the same impact as all other 9 players.
But for example if you're an emerald player and play on an iron account you'll have an absolutely massive impact most games. That's because you're significantly better than the rest of the players. The fact is, if you get better you'll have a bigger impact. If that wasn't true than everyone would be the same rank.
@@skylarkesselring6075 It doesn’t work that way though. Sure, some Masters player on a fresh account can do that with hard carry champs- and note, you still estimate they lose a decent chunk of games, meaning many games are out of your control- but what about someone playing on an account that’s many years old, has thousands of hours on it? It’s very different.
The problem is they try to match make for 50/50 games, but in doing so, if you are on an old experienced account they will put experienced players on the other team, so you are never stomping 5 Iron noobs, for example. This is just my experience. I love League of Legends but the ranked system is geared to put you where it thinks you belong, rather than just throwing everyone into the mix and letting people climb and fall
@@erynpimentel915idk I got on an account I used only for ARAM previously and played with my mate in gold games previous split. Got it to masters in
lp is just a number, rank is just a color
People Like Tyler1 really added to the toxicity in this game. He is THE biggest league streamer ever and quite known for his toxicity. Many others to mention as well. I wouldn't say they are the sole reason but, they added to it in a massive way. This is still being perpetuated.
On the 27:00 segment another factor to consider is that content creators are ultimately there to be entertainers, not teachers. They have more incentive to rage on camera than they do to actually explain their thought process and teach.
I play with chat turned completely off and it's made league the best game ever!
Same, it's the best!
While I get you. This shit is also what tilts (for example) junglers who ask for summs and then get no answer from their laner who also doesnt ping summs
@@silentsorrowbane cool
@@silentsorrowbane i play jung and play on full mute because people dont track that shit lol and 99% of the time ur laner has no idea, just gotta keep ur eye on skirmishes and trading in lane. just always assume they have flash cause they probably will because people dont know how to trade without all-in dying
@@silentsorrowbane That kind of summoner tracking will only happen in high elo, though...
the problem is lack of proper way to influence playter behaviour.
A bit of a longer comment here, lets gooo!
What really touched me from this video is the empathy part and understanding that no matter how big or small of a mistake is to you, to another person it can be a totally different story. I find that looking at people and judging based on "simple mistake so that means you're a piece of shit or an inter" is just not good for anyone. When we play soloq, we constantly play with random people. This means that we might land on different moods, focus levels, health levels of theirs, capabilities and skill stacks that they have. There's so much rng involved, so to speak, that having this expectation of "well, it's X rank so this means everyone here should know Y and be capable of executing it all the time" is just counter productive.
I would go as far as to say- there's no absolute truth as to what rank means what level of skill in each aspect of the game. There is no such thing. What we have instead is the higher that you go in ranks, the more capable people become on average and the more skilled they are in each of the aspects on average. However, that does not mean that every single person at challenger will be better capable of warding than diamond, lets say. It's way more likely to be true and I'd still net on challenger people due to the law of averages, but it doesn't mean they'll put better wards EVERY SINGLE TIME, each of the challengers...
That makes me think- there is no point in expecting anything from anyone when people are random. The goal is to find the most effective communication and coordinate to the best of your ability while yourself performing to the best of your mechanical ability each and every single game. Sometimes it'll work out, sometimes it will not. Sometimes you will lack, sometimes teammates will lack. Or sometimes enemies will be way better players in each of the aspects and there's "literally nothing you could do because they're just better". And it's fine.
If you play league and want to become better, the only thing to do is... Well, improve on each of your aspects (or some specific ones depending on how you decide to progress).
So coming back to toxicity... There's so many expectations where people think "PLAYERS MUST BE THIS WAY", and then they are tilted when people aren't. Also, it's a skill to be a good team player in both communication and coordination. It takes some level of understanding and awareness to know what helps and what doesn't. And so much of the communication on league doesn't help. It just irritates, tilts and triggers people more. There's so much stuff that's said that does not make a positive impact. And keep in mind that most communication happens in a team environment, not all chat.
So yeah... Faulty expectations, lack of empathy and understanding that we're all on the same journey but different stages and that there is no "wrong" mistake. All mistakes are mistakes and all can be learnt from. Some will be more costly, some will be less and such is life, but all that you can do really is accept it and move on. There's no changing the past, only learning to adapt to change the course of the future.
The fact that league has been this popular for so long despite the toxicity says something. I always play with chat off and the game is actually enjoyable for the most part.
League is a pretty solidly made game despite its community. Has a pretty addictive gameplay loop and enough depth and match variation to get engaged.
Personally, I've been playing competitive online games for like 20 years. League isn't even close to the most toxic game I've played. I think people feel League is more toxic than it actually is because they don't have a lot of experience playing other games.
What would be more toxic than lol besides common examples like Counter Strike and dota
@@stareater4629 Older Halo games, CoDs, Rocket League. Even sports games like Madden and FIFA have a lot of toxic people BMing and raging all the time. I genuinely think Rocket League is one of the most toxic games I've played recently. There's so many cheaters, win traders, and rage monsters in that game. Literally every single ranked game has someone disconnecting or rage typing if they are losing by even a single point. It's the only game I've ever quit because of how toxic it is.
I've been playing League for a while and it's not nearly that bad. Sure, there's still tilted players and stuff but it's like 1 in every 10-15 games I play not every single game. I played 6 ranked matches in Emerald yesterday and not a single player was raging in chat (at least not on my team, idk what the enemy was typing to each other).
Plus the Riot anti-cheat actually works and there are way less cheaters in League than in games like Rocket League, Counter Strike, and Apex Legends. Apex Legends and Counter Strike cheaters also made me stop wanting to play those games too.
@@stareater4629 MMOs like WoW, Warcraft 3 also was insane as you had 0 moderation
I always look at these types of comments and go, like, you are lucky to have a more positive experience than I’ve seen? While somewhat uncommon, I’ve just never seen players go to the completely psychopathic levels of vitriol they spew in any other multiplayer game. With League it feels like the difference between some guy calling you bitch and trash on voice comms to a guy typing up elaborate death threats in Leagues chat.
I disagree and I've been playing online games since the 90's. League is simply one of the most toxic games ever.
There is never a game/match that is quiet so fun/enjoyable then when I find random teammates that I sync well with and we are able to make moves together and read the plays the same way. Getting out of a match and seeing everyone one the team has honored each other.
6:37 moment of silence for our brother Bard who went LT, Navori & Berserkers
Thank you for putting in the time and effort making this video.
Amazing video as always! Ive seen you had a piano in older videos. Are you still playing? And wich pieces are you working on right now?
The last part of the video, about praising yourself for good plays, that applies to life too. Fake it til you make it. Appreciate yourself more.
I legit can't grind this game without muting all coms and pings and pretending the game is single player.
The game is toxic and is Riot’s fault for not fixing this damn hell of a Matchmaking, every year / new season it gets worst. They said they fixed the autofilled problem but I still being matched with 4 autofilled on my team vs 1 autofilled in the enemy team, I even got an ex Challenger player in a Silver / Gold lobby, Riot is full of lies.
We need voice chat. I swear people would be so much less toxic in game.
Another issue is how difficult it is to supply meaningful feedback midgame. If you make a mistake that's not as obvious to you, there really isn't time for anyone to explain what you did wrong. The rest of the team is dealing with their own mental stack.
I feel like that's another cause of a lot of frustration. There really isn't time for the "I didn't see him", "I was pinging!", "I was fighting the ADC at that point!" Etc...
Even if it's something you could theoretically fix midgame, jpbody has time to tell you *how* to fix what you did wrong.
Yep. At best you just get the most vague advice that doesn’t feel like it makes sense during the moment, more commonly you just get get called a dog/trash/ableist slur with no direction on even what, exactly, you did wrong.
toxicity is because realistically you have influence over like 20-30% of games and ur guaranteed to lose cause ur botlane will go 0/8 in 10 mins
This is a good vid btw. I’m of the opinion that it’s actually harder to be a kind person than it is to be a jerk in society in general, let alone League, precisely because the former requires you to put effort to seek understanding and knowledge. You give a good framework for appreciating the complexity of the game and humbling yourself.
great video this is what i do as a players who play every single role before main top jungle
This is such a good video Curtis! Well done! :D
It's just a shit game with an EOMM ranked system designed to sabotage you. When I can play Street fighter 6 and reach the 99.9 percentile in terms of mr without teammates ruining my games, it's clearly not a skill issue. I don't have time to spam thousands of games every split to beat the system. EVERY single time without fail when you're 1 game away from promotion the dickheads at riot put you with the worst scum of the earth possible. And the pattern is so consistent it's actually hilarious.
The toxicity lowkey makes me enjoy it 😂 it’s like I love to complain about it. I love trying to achieve a goal (a given rank) that seems so unattainable cuz how my teammates are or how the ranked system works etc. like a stacked deck against me that makes me have to play even more perfect and it only makes me that much happier when I finally achieve my goal.
I think it’s like the same effect speed runners experience with they run a game with total bullshit RNG. It makes the world record that much more satisfying when you get it.
Plus I just love the game and how it works and something to fill my mind and be competitive at
i don't have fun when i win and i don't have fun when i lose, whenever i decide to play league and my friends ask me why i would play that i say that i just want to get angry
Amazing content, thanks coach Curtis!
League is a collective game, but its most played gamemode is solo queue. You can't expect tossing random people in the same team and expect it to end well.
This. The most fun I've ever had playing League was when queuing with a full team or in Clash. That's how League is MEANT to be played. You can only play solo queue without compromising your mental if you accept that it's completely chaotic and utterly unlike the intended League experience.
I honestly think this type of content should be pinned on the league client, great stuff!
Ty Curtis for another great video!
What I hate the most about LoL is that playing well doesn't effect the outcome of most games that are played.
In chess +400 elo on an opponent is roughly a 90% win rate. In LoL that amount of elo is the difference between gold and silver. So in a "1v1" lets say in any given game I contribute between 16 and 20 "points" towards my team winning. The person I am against contributes between 1 and 20. There is a 90% chance that I contribute more to my team then my opponent.
Now lets say the lobby is filled with people who are on my opponent's level. The enemy team has 5d20 worth of contribution, and my team has 4d20 + (15 + d5). This is roughly a 70% win rate. If you play 10 games in a night, smurfing a tier down, consistently better play would change the result of the game on average twice. 20% of the games you played in mattered. If Riot considers you as a higher mmr player, they might try to "even" it out placing better players on the opposing team and it will be less. If instead of an entire tier above your opponent you are only 2 divisions, then your only going to be at roughly a 58% win rate. You could go a 10 set w/o your play being good enough to change the out come of any of the games that night.
Then this all gets thrown out the window when you are placed in lobbies where there is a 10% chance that a team has a smurf/booster that is 3-4 ranks higher then your play. Now in 10% of games there is a 4/9 chance the smurf is on your side and you get a 90% win rate through you and the smurf having better play, and a 5/9 chance that you have a 30% win rate because you are against the smurf. when you only effect 2/10 of the games you play, having a smurf impact 10% of your games is super demotivating. (in the 70% win rate example, the presence of a smurf in games lowers win rate by 1.8%, and removes 9% of the games you would be deciding. In the example where your only 2 divisions higher and your base win rate is 58%, your overall win rate goes to 54.5%.
This makes it feel like consistent play isn't rewarding, even if i contribute more to my team then my opponent in 70% of games its only going to effect the outcome of 1 in 20 games. If I don't want to play 1000 games to climb, I need to be not only 70% of the time better, I need to be 90% of the time better, and I need to be able to raise the bar above 20 contribution. I can't play like a gold to get out of silver fast, I need to play like a diamond.
I know differences in LP gains/Losses can make it so climbing with a 50% WR is possible, but if the system is giving +20/- 20 LP, its going to take 1000+ games to climb a rank/division
That was really interesting to read. Thank you!
Smurfing, duo q, boosters, length of game, money hungry company all contribute to toxicity.. there r other competitive games that dont require toxicity to be competitive.. its just riot
what competitive game isn't toxic? genuine question
I'm good with randoms playing like monkeys. Some players simply don't know the right play so they can't make it. My friend who i play with though can't even tell me what they were thinking in the moment. I ask "what were you trying to do" and they literally don't answer. I'm just trying to understand the thought process
I play poker AND league for min maxing toxicity.
Important topic Coach, thanks for covering it
The reaseon league is toxic is because it is a "competitive" game that lacks very crucial parts of ways to communicate with your team.
The reason we still play it is because of addiction or having fun with friends.
I disagree to be honest, the ping system is very in depth and accomplishes 99% of necessary communications if you use it correctly
@@Kalsimir nope it doesn't at all. If you have used voice coms every before, you would instantly know this
Not to mention that they absolutely butchered the ping system with a whole bunch of restrictions and shit.
@@overpoweredjelly3513 I use voice coms in my WoW guild every day, but pings are what keeps the bacon sizzling. 9/10 your intentions can be communicated thru pings and body language
@@overpoweredjelly3513i think adding something like voice coms would only make it more distracting, i always play a lot worse when i have to worry about listening and talking to someone on discord for example
@@overpoweredjelly3513 My guy I run a WoW guild that gets AOTC each season I probably spend more time managing voice coms than 99% of people lol. The ping system is pretty great if you use it + complementing positioning.
I absolutely love those poker metaphors!!
Thanks Curtis. Your work has done a lot to help me improve my relationship with games.
Thankyou Curtis
E.O.M.M (engaged optimized match making) riot has 3 patents on it
i love this guy
NO VOICE COMMS
That Ahri has ult and flash up and the ability to clear waves. He sees the fight coming, dying there as a master player is crazy
Trash take
Not being able to articulate one's own abilities is not unique to league of legends and is actually more common than not. Acquiring a skill and analyzing or explaining it are 2 separate things and rarely do people possess both. It has nothing to do with it being a video game.