sometimes i feel like they messed up the values. Backscale pivot is probably one of the most difficult pivot still worth "only .05" ,and 0.7 for 2 rotation. also ring pivot shoud values more ,they require lot of back flexibilty . I got always confused with split pivot and penche ,in italy lof of times they are colled only penche . i feel like gymansts should get exatra poit for multiple rotation at least for the mos difficult pivots yana attitude form and tchachina illusion are to die for btw. as alwasy your videos are incredible
What is this sport going to come down to if the body difficulty is so outweighed by the apparatus "handling". They need to get rid of the fouettes completely; revise the incremental score for the 2+ rotation for legitimately complicated turns (in which a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rotation is really impressive, like the unassisted frontleg turns of Halkina or a triple attitude turn; NOT for them to rack up the BD score for Lala in the next CoP with BD's of 3 points). And that backward illusion turn, Tchachina again the best ever, with the way she performed those by holding the leg up while turning the torso --- her execution makes everything look like the difference between a professional dancer and kids in a summer camp class.
I really agree that there should be some bonus for extra rotation. Like adding 10% for each additional turn, something like that. For example front leg like Halkina is 0.4, 2nd rotation is 0.1, 3nd rotation 0.1 x 1,1, 4th rotation 0.1 x 1,2 etc .... Tchachina really had the best backward illusion turn.
This is amazing! I always loved Deng Sengue's Arabesque-to-Frontsplit-Pirouette, that was always just WOW! :) 😍 Thanks for your very informative video ;) Short question: The "Front Illusion" is not a rotation in that sense?😊
Thank you! Front illusion is a rotation but with impulse between each rotation (usually, I'm sure we could fin someone who would do it without though).
@@ClematisRGVideos You must be overwhelmed by ideas and examples. In fact I am so grateful and impressed by your works in doing these epic videos about RG! THANKS SO MUCH
that's what I was going to say, her relevé it's low but the position of the trunk it's the ideal, and honestly it's very hard to perform the side split with a high releve and the trunk at 90 degrees, it's one of the most unstable balances
I think I remember Amudena pointing out in a TVE broadcast from Guadalajara that that form was quite tricky and that it was rare (and further explained that that's why gymnasts usually perform the same more complicated elements that they have a handle on across their routines).
@Erica Peri From what I read, Cossack turns are worth 0.1 for each rotation. That’s why they aren’t really popular anymore (or at all). Even Halkina, who’s amazing at that turn, could only earn around 0.4-0.5 points and in the end, it wasn’t worth doing.
actually cossack are a trademark of the belarusian school, most of their gymnast performed it in the past, wasn't it one of the elements that its value was downgraded along with the BD supported on knee?
@@amandinesouilleux1497 sometimes I feel the main reason it's not that but that russian gymnasts doesn't perform them 🤭 in the past there were many elements specially in turns and balances that I never saw perform by any gymnasts specially that kind of leaps performed by Caroline Weber thathad a decent value, but where very rare to find somebody to perform them and as time passed by were downgraded and left out of the code
It's an attitude with back bent backwards. The value is the same as a ring pivot without help, but you can see the leg is sort of at the "horizontal" and the head reach for it and not the opposite (like in a ring pivot, were the head/bun must touch the leg/foot). It's quite rare to see it, even during the 2013-2016 quad when Son was performing it.
@@ClematisRGVideos Ahh i see. Thanks for your explanation, because i confused about that. Tbh, i just interesting and like RG but not know more about COP or something like that
@@ClematisRGVideosHi, can I ask again? I'm wondering if Kabaeva's leg on the shoulder (Clubs 2001) or Kanaeva's (Clubs 2008), then they turn, but not like the ordinary rotation; it's more like balance but with a turn. I don't know how to describe it. But does it count as a rotation / turn, or just a balance?
When I used to do rhythmic gymnastics, there were jumps/leaps, rotations, balances and flexibilities and now there are only jumps, rotations and balances. What happened to flexibilities? Can't find this info anywhere
They were sort of half-deleted half-distributed across Rotation & Balance. For example penche in rotations, illusion is a rotation, fouette is a balance, Utyascheva is a balance etc...
@@ClematisRGVideos as I remember Irina Deriugina lobbied for it's dissappearance of the Code of Point as Flexibility and Waves should be considered as a characteristic of the gymnast and not a group of BD, and honestly it was hard to define them, most of them seemed balances on flat foot or slow turns, as well there was an abuse of combining balances with flexibility and wave in the cycle of 2009 if I'm not wrong
Also, even if Arina's ring pivots are awesome (while Dina's have become quite sloppy), Yana's stretched base leg ring pivot should be worth a lot more that with the bent base leg --- it looks a lot more difficult and its one of many, many, many nonsense parities of score values for this CoP.
There many different ways of executing pivot that aren't rewarded: bent leg or not like you mentioned, but also turning clockwise or counterclockwise compare to your standing leg for example.
The clip with fouette with horizantal leg one is a little ridiculous. She was just tapping her clubs. I can remember a routine from yana where she’s doing a fouette while the clubs are being thrown. I can’t describe yanas exact handling there but not like this just tapping your clubs while smiling like an idiot
Why do you think Dina, Arina and Vlada does it? On a serious note: I think the difficulty depends on your back flexibility and ability to keep you balance in your position.
Delphine Ledoux did a wonderful side scale here th-cam.com/video/DTIzG0M3ZTo/w-d-xo.html Also one of my favourite pivots is the arabesque with back bend which is extinct now.
Oh yes! Someone else mentioned her and I don't know why I didn't think of her earlier. The arabesque with back bend sill exists in the code (0.4 and then 0.2 for each additional turns), but as you mentioned, no one really does it anymore.
And you can do the same for cossack too. The way rg judges can penalise your cossack for anything (trunk not vertical, bent legs and stretched leg not at the exact same level, bent arms, slight change in your axis ...). I didn't put it here because its value is only 0.1 (and difficult to put it in combination) so very rare to see it from rhythmic gymnast.
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The back scale pívot starting from floor is the most baffling element how is that even possible !? LOL
Love your vids they're so informative
😊 Thank you!
sometimes i feel like they messed up the values. Backscale pivot is probably one of the most difficult pivot still worth "only .05" ,and 0.7 for 2 rotation. also ring pivot shoud values more ,they require lot of back flexibilty . I got always confused with split pivot and penche ,in italy lof of times they are colled only penche . i feel like gymansts should get exatra poit for multiple rotation at least for the mos difficult pivots
yana attitude form and tchachina illusion are to die for btw.
as alwasy your videos are incredible
Yes, they are many difficulties like that! I guess the reasons was to give equal chances to gymnasts with less back flexibility.
This is wonderful, thanks! I enjoy watching rhythmic gymnastics, but I know nothing about the technical elements, so this is really helpful.
Thank you so much!! :D Hope you can enjoy rhythmic gymnastics even more!
What is this sport going to come down to if the body difficulty is so outweighed by the apparatus "handling". They need to get rid of the fouettes completely; revise the incremental score for the 2+ rotation for legitimately complicated turns (in which a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rotation is really impressive, like the unassisted frontleg turns of Halkina or a triple attitude turn; NOT for them to rack up the BD score for Lala in the next CoP with BD's of 3 points). And that backward illusion turn, Tchachina again the best ever, with the way she performed those by holding the leg up while turning the torso --- her execution makes everything look like the difference between a professional dancer and kids in a summer camp class.
I really agree that there should be some bonus for extra rotation. Like adding 10% for each additional turn, something like that. For example front leg like Halkina is 0.4, 2nd rotation is 0.1, 3nd rotation 0.1 x 1,1, 4th rotation 0.1 x 1,2 etc ....
Tchachina really had the best backward illusion turn.
Ahhh the one with yana caught me off guard. Her attitude pivot is captivating!
Why I don’t see anyone doing the backward illusions anymore...
This is amazing! I always loved Deng Sengue's Arabesque-to-Frontsplit-Pirouette, that was always just WOW! :) 😍 Thanks for your very informative video ;) Short question: The "Front Illusion" is not a rotation in that sense?😊
Thank you! Front illusion is a rotation but with impulse between each rotation (usually, I'm sure we could fin someone who would do it without though).
This makes me realize how awful were some of Kapranova’s rotations
4:54 I was waiting for Yana's perfect video
Her attitude form is unmatched here.
Thanks for the video and the information ❤
I think Delphine Ledoux had the best side pivot with horizontal trunk. her trunk was in complete horizontal line
Oh yes! Why didn't I think of her earlier?
Take a look at this little gem - th-cam.com/video/TbqpJ1fp_1A/w-d-xo.html at 1:35
@@boraci11 I just watch her routines yesterday I though so hard about... I regret not thinking harder!
@@ClematisRGVideos You must be overwhelmed by ideas and examples. In fact I am so grateful and impressed by your works in doing these epic videos about RG! THANKS SO MUCH
thats why people are so amazed pf yana's ring pivot(?) its because her supporting leg is straight
Yes probably, but as a straight leg is not an obligation, I would also emphasise her clean exit (no hop).
I actually think most gymnasts do it with a straight leg, people love hers becasue they're so graceful
Marina Malpica for the side split pivot w/horizontal trunk! It’s not in relevé but it’s amazing🙌🏻
Oh yes, I forgot she had such a good position of the trunk!! Thank you for mentioning her! Her relieve is just a bit low, but it's a releve.
that's what I was going to say, her relevé it's low but the position of the trunk it's the ideal, and honestly it's very hard to perform the side split with a high releve and the trunk at 90 degrees, it's one of the most unstable balances
I think I remember Amudena pointing out in a TVE broadcast from Guadalajara that that form was quite tricky and that it was rare (and further explained that that's why gymnasts usually perform the same more complicated elements that they have a handle on across their routines).
@@QQ-wl6yt Indeed she spoke about Marina's side plank trunk ☺
Oh and at 5:54 I would have loved to see Lala's impressive 9 turns at sofia 2019 :'(
Ah yes they were: you're talking about the one with clubs?
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Very well done 👍 appreciate it 🌷
amazing video ❤️
Thank you amazing videos
So that's why I see lala kramenko don't use flat foot but instead use point fingers with ring pivot is very hard but the score is very high
What about the cossack? Staniouta used to do that a lot
Yes, true! Here, I only talked about rotations seen a lot during the 2017-2020 Olympic cycle. In term of value cossack are 0.1 per 360° rotation.
@Erica Peri From what I read, Cossack turns are worth 0.1 for each rotation. That’s why they aren’t really popular anymore (or at all). Even Halkina, who’s amazing at that turn, could only earn around 0.4-0.5 points and in the end, it wasn’t worth doing.
actually cossack are a trademark of the belarusian school, most of their gymnast performed it in the past, wasn't it one of the elements that its value was downgraded along with the BD supported on knee?
@@patem7379 yes, it was
@@amandinesouilleux1497 sometimes I feel the main reason it's not that but that russian gymnasts doesn't perform them 🤭 in the past there were many elements specially in turns and balances that I never saw perform by any gymnasts specially that kind of leaps performed by Caroline Weber thathad a decent value, but where very rare to find somebody to perform them and as time passed by were downgraded and left out of the code
Hi, i wanna ask you about Son Yeonjae's pivot in hoop 2014 at the first? It's a ring pivot without help?
It's an attitude with back bent backwards. The value is the same as a ring pivot without help, but you can see the leg is sort of at the "horizontal" and the head reach for it and not the opposite (like in a ring pivot, were the head/bun must touch the leg/foot). It's quite rare to see it, even during the 2013-2016 quad when Son was performing it.
@@ClematisRGVideos Ahh i see. Thanks for your explanation, because i confused about that. Tbh, i just interesting and like RG but not know more about COP or something like that
@@ragildwiprastyo6160 You're welcome :) I didn't do every type of rotation here, so it's normal to have question.
@@ClematisRGVideosHi, can I ask again? I'm wondering if Kabaeva's leg on the shoulder (Clubs 2001) or Kanaeva's (Clubs 2008), then they turn, but not like the ordinary rotation; it's more like balance but with a turn. I don't know how to describe it. But does it count as a rotation / turn, or just a balance?
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When I used to do rhythmic gymnastics, there were jumps/leaps, rotations, balances and flexibilities and now there are only jumps, rotations and balances. What happened to flexibilities?
Can't find this info anywhere
They were sort of half-deleted half-distributed across Rotation & Balance. For example penche in rotations, illusion is a rotation, fouette is a balance, Utyascheva is a balance etc...
@@ClematisRGVideos as I remember Irina Deriugina lobbied for it's dissappearance of the Code of Point as Flexibility and Waves should be considered as a characteristic of the gymnast and not a group of BD, and honestly it was hard to define them, most of them seemed balances on flat foot or slow turns, as well there was an abuse of combining balances with flexibility and wave in the cycle of 2009 if I'm not wrong
Also, even if Arina's ring pivots are awesome (while Dina's have become quite sloppy), Yana's stretched base leg ring pivot should be worth a lot more that with the bent base leg --- it looks a lot more difficult and its one of many, many, many nonsense parities of score values for this CoP.
There many different ways of executing pivot that aren't rewarded: bent leg or not like you mentioned, but also turning clockwise or counterclockwise compare to your standing leg for example.
The clip with fouette with horizantal leg one is a little ridiculous. She was just tapping her clubs. I can remember a routine from yana where she’s doing a fouette while the clubs are being thrown. I can’t describe yanas exact handling there but not like this just tapping your clubs while smiling like an idiot
2:05 wait WOT? 0.3-0.2? That’s ring! (With help) It’s really that expensive?
It’s really hard, specially when they put their head like that, you kinda lose the balance
Leo Vertty I’m a rhythmic gymnast and to me that turn is pretty easy😅 I thought it was like, .1 I was wrong
Why do you think Dina, Arina and Vlada does it? On a serious note: I think the difficulty depends on your back flexibility and ability to keep you balance in your position.
Delphine Ledoux did a wonderful side scale here
th-cam.com/video/DTIzG0M3ZTo/w-d-xo.html
Also one of my favourite pivots is the arabesque with back bend which is extinct now.
Oh yes! Someone else mentioned her and I don't know why I didn't think of her earlier.
The arabesque with back bend sill exists in the code (0.4 and then 0.2 for each additional turns), but as you mentioned, no one really does it anymore.
Need to bookmark this vid in case Laney Madsen tries to do a penche again and all the WAG fans are like UGH NO RELEVÉ
And you can do the same for cossack too. The way rg judges can penalise your cossack for anything (trunk not vertical, bent legs and stretched leg not at the exact same level, bent arms, slight change in your axis ...). I didn't put it here because its value is only 0.1 (and difficult to put it in combination) so very rare to see it from rhythmic gymnast.