@@sensidog1 at first it was barba at celosia location not valus and here is my theory maybe he was supposed to be out side and that you haved to get to the temple and in some way jump on him ( sorry if I made any grammatical error I'm French)
What a cool detail to find! It seems like they ultimately changed the order to create a better difficulty curve. Imagine having to face Basaran so early on as a beginner...
I am so glad Basaran isn't #4 in the final game. I probably wouldn't have finished the game if that nightmare showed up so early. (I don't actually hate it, but its one of my least favorite colossi)
@@scado5679but phaeda has many always to climb it, unlike basaran, i climbes phaedra by the leg and jumping to it's tai, there are many spots you can grab on this colossus so you don't really need to try doing it the way it was intended
It's crazy after how all this time you are still pushing out content for this game. Props to you for sticking through thick and thin and supporting a game that deserves more to its story.
@@pack-gc9gt it would a good tutorial and a awful tutorial at the same time, it's way too big for a early boss, Phalanx is so huge because it's supposed to get you interested in how the final bosses will be and does a great job stopping you from getting bored, if it's closer to the beginning it'll be easy to get overwhelmed and than underwhelmed when you continue the game. Phalanx requires you to know what you're doing, you have to know how to properly use arrows and how to properly steer Agro, fighting Phalanx without learning anything from Dirge would just be annoying and difficult
@@duxghost3985 the too big part is actually really good for it, it would make people interested to progress the game, the arrow part is a two sharp knife, because the reason that you said is true, although, it would make other arrow colossi much more "easier" because after phalanx, players will have a better thinking about when using the arrow is mandatory(Avion have that too, but in a different way) It won't be hard too, i mean, look at Gaius, he's something you would perfectely expect on one of the last colossi, a sleeping giant Knight, and he's a little more harder than other colossi imo, specially in hard with the hand jump
I love this channel so much. SotC is such a near and dear game to me I and have been subbed for probably 4-5 years. Just to see this channel continuously making content warms my heart.
The more info I learn regarding this game, the more I want a sequel to be made someday. Something about this world and the lore is just fascinating for some reason. Keep up the good work.
This makes me wish you could randomize the order you fight the colossi. Even the remake doesn't have a randomize option. That would have been a cool thing for them to put in. I know you can just go and pray to them and fight them again but it would be cool to start a new game and never know which colossi you are gonna fight next. It would make replay more interesting.
I love you so fucking much dude, like i really appreciate you being here, I'm so happy you keep uploading and just... loving this game as much as i do.
Dirge: "an isolated sand dune...it's tracks are you well hidden... *Along with it's friend, It shakes de Earth"* This quote makes me wonder about the Worm/dionin (scrapped Colossus) being some "friend" of dirge
Actually that was a mistake in the video (D'oh!) I had the Preview version of Dirge's description in the list when it should have been the US version with 'Shaking the earth, its gaze is upon thee...'
If that is the case, you probably messed up with the Turtle as well, considering the description in the video is "it sleeps at the bottom of lake", which is from the preview version, as opposed to the retail's "it sleeps in a dry lake bed"
@Intrepid Explorer I think Dirge's friend being Monkey makes a lot more sense than the Worm. It is already a huge coincidence that the coordinates match Dirge's cave of all things, but with the confirmation that there was another colossus (a friend) on Dirge's lair, it seems to match the evidence quite well. There is also another problem - we know Worm had its own separate statue/idol, as shown by its appearance in the game's code, which wouldn't make much sense if it was meant to be fought alongside Dirge. However, Monkey was removed early on the game's production, being quite probably the first colossi to be scrapped alongside Griffin, which means it was definitely before the colossi idols were designed (as shown by the fact that the much-later previews show all 24 statues being copies of Valus), so in my view, it makes a lot more sense that; 1. Dirge and Monkey were meant to be fought alongside each other. The Dormin entry for Dirge was designed early on with this idea in mind, before either of their idols were designed. 2. Monkey was scrapped and they didn't bother to change Dirgin's entry up until after the demo's release. This idea is made even more likely by the fact that Celosia and Kuromori's entries weren't changed from the preview versions, despite the fact that there is obviously no "lake" overlooking Celosia's altar like Dormin says, nor a forest surrounding Kuromori's arena (in the latter case, said forest having been present when Kuromori was still on his Yamori_A phase in the early build)
Correct - I used a Photoshop file I had already created of Dormin's descriptions, but you can see at the end of the video (SotC viewer) what the NTSC (final version) descriptions say. They are slightly different in a few places - no biggie.
An isolated sand dune... It's tracks are well hidden... *Along with it's friend,* It shakes the earth. No, no, NO. Don't tell me there where originally TWO Dirges. Even one is more than enough.
ElVolcanPreview your actually wrong.There was another scrapped colossi that was basically like celosia and cenobia.Its battle field is at the stone hedge.The player would distract the colossi and trap it between the hedges.This was a technical and typographical error as they had been misplaced.
So the original order was the following: Valus Quadratus Phaedra Basaran Hydrus Gaius Phalanx Kuromori Avion Celosia Barba Dirge Pelagia Cenobia Argus Malus The more I look at this, the more I'm thankful that this isn't the final order. There's a terrible difficulty curve, especially with Basaran being #4 and Barba being one of the last ones.
2:18 Just noticed that from this angle, the center wall looks like a goat skull. Probably a coincidence, but it would make sense considering Dormin's role in the game.
Dirge makes more sense in the water But Hydrus is easiest Literally jump on him Then he can't submerge And Phalanx... Just jump from that big tower onto the gentle giant
I'll never forget when this game came out me and my bro played it and even years later reminisce about it, just wish they would make a 2ND SotC. Good work on clarification for the original order of colossi, thumbs up!
You make it feel like this game will never die, it will never run out of secrets to be found. Great job, Nomad, you are by far one of the best channels on all TH-cam, even though you don't get the recognition you deserve.
Great to see another upload Nomad! I must say I only joined the SotC fanbase recently, but I have learnt so much from your videos and blogs, and from others like Yamori. The fact that you delved this deep into the game truly amazes me.
Your mysteries OPM video is one of my favorites! I remember thinking that pelegula was already hard to kill in the water can you imagine trying to get on him in 13’s arena!?
It's amazing how much hearth and effort you put into these videos after so many years, you've been with me since i was a child:,) i'll be with you to the end Thank you Great video as always:)
@@adielfasshan664 Right?! Imagine you looking down the area "hey a lake" and when you look down there is just a pair of bright gigantic eyes staring back at you. Nope. Noooope.
It’s really amazing man. How you find these stuff and notes and explain them in this way. This game is really an artwork and you don’t wanna stop playing it even after getting platinum. Hope they would make a new similar game or a new release of SOTC 2.
Huh. That is mighty interesting, but I have to admit I'm super glad Basaran isn't #4 in the final release. That thing was such a pain in the ass to take down!
It's a good thing they changed the order, I cannot imagine having to fight Basaran as early as #4 and not losing my shit. That one took me forever when I first got this game lol
lol, you have time to write down this comment below the video and don't have six minutes to watch it? Log out from TH-cam then before you pass the test instead of making excuses to not watch the vid
i love this channel because shadow of the colossus it's my favorite game, and yours videos are so cool y interesting pd: mi language is spanish because a live in costa rica, and i don't speak english, so sorry for my ugly and fake english :(
@Nomad Colossus In one of the few images we have of Pholux/The Devil, it's possible to see that there is a large narrow gap between the cliffs in the background; pm1.narvii.com/6841/d7d62cf296c69997c3dd5cce5a7c4c0710e7a499v2_hq.jpg Would this match Devil living near the Dam like the current accepted theory holds?
Wait,dirge was suppose to have a friend beside him to help him which was the Worm colossi but that said friend was cut from the game and Dormin giving you hints about dirge changed in the final cut of the game
What does that early Dormin description of Dirge mean? 4:29 "An isolated sand dune... Its tracks are well hidden... Along with its friend, it shakes the earth" (instead of its gaze is upon thee..."
That actually was a mistake I made in the video. This description comes from the earlier Preview (Pre-release) version of the game. But as to what it means, that is still open to interpretation... My idea is that it relates to the discarded Worm colossus, but there is no proof of this.
Hey nomad, do you still working on the model of Aberth/Spider? In one of the parts of your blogs, There was a part that it said that You were modeling Spider and it would be hard to putting on the texture (kinda like dat, i dont remember.) and there was a image of the Spider's head, which was similar to the original one. I'd love to know you still working on it, maybe you can at the end show us the full model with textures and if you can, put him some animations ! Thanks for reading.
It's strange how many of the swapped locations feel like they could work.
Although one thing I found it weird is Hydrus in Phaedra's place where it doesn't have lake despite Hydrus being a sea-type Colossi
I don’t think valus works a celostias location
@@sensidog1 at first it was barba at celosia location not valus and here is my theory maybe he was supposed to be out side and that you haved to get to the temple and in some way jump on him ( sorry if I made any grammatical error I'm French)
Mr. Wick it seems like a good idea but values is pretty big compared to celosia
@@sensidog1 once again it's barba not valus and even with he's size I think that we could have be able to reach he's beard
When you see in your phone, that new Nomad Colossus video notification, truly a magical moment every time
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What a cool detail to find! It seems like they ultimately changed the order to create a better difficulty curve. Imagine having to face Basaran so early on as a beginner...
You are a legend. Great content creator that gives this game the love it deserves. This game is art. Quite literally, though.
14 years later, and you're still putting the work in for this game- and I'm gonna stay with it as long as it lasts.
you still ?
I am so glad Basaran isn't #4 in the final game. I probably wouldn't have finished the game if that nightmare showed up so early. (I don't actually hate it, but its one of my least favorite colossi)
I guess they always want to put the annoying colossi in the #4 spot....:/
@@scado5679but phaeda has many always to climb it, unlike basaran, i climbes phaedra by the leg and jumping to it's tai, there are many spots you can grab on this colossus so you don't really need to try doing it the way it was intended
I wonder what made them change the order. I bet it's because the difficulty curve of the original order wasn't fitting for beginners.
It's crazy after how all this time you are still pushing out content for this game. Props to you for sticking through thick and thin and supporting a game that deserves more to its story.
Here 3 years in the future almost almost 4 years later and still making good content, Hello! 🖐️😏👌
@@BLASTERX-nz5lk4 years!
Thank you for your incredible dedication to this masterpiece
It is strange to think that Phalanx used to be placed so early on.
It kind of makes sense given that he's not one of the more difficult colossi.
It's make sense, because it didn't attack, and that's a good thing for the first Colossus, it tries to make the player adapt to the control
Phalanx involve basically all moves with agro, would be a good tutorial
@@pack-gc9gt it would a good tutorial and a awful tutorial at the same time, it's way too big for a early boss, Phalanx is so huge because it's supposed to get you interested in how the final bosses will be and does a great job stopping you from getting bored, if it's closer to the beginning it'll be easy to get overwhelmed and than underwhelmed when you continue the game. Phalanx requires you to know what you're doing, you have to know how to properly use arrows and how to properly steer Agro, fighting Phalanx without learning anything from Dirge would just be annoying and difficult
@@duxghost3985 the too big part is actually really good for it, it would make people interested to progress the game, the arrow part is a two sharp knife, because the reason that you said is true, although, it would make other arrow colossi much more "easier" because after phalanx, players will have a better thinking about when using the arrow is mandatory(Avion have that too, but in a different way)
It won't be hard too, i mean, look at Gaius, he's something you would perfectely expect on one of the last colossi, a sleeping giant Knight, and he's a little more harder than other colossi imo, specially in hard with the hand jump
I love this channel so much. SotC is such a near and dear game to me I and have been subbed for probably 4-5 years. Just to see this channel continuously making content warms my heart.
It’s amazing how every video game is usually longer than the final versions
Every time I watch one of these videos it makes me want to replay shadow of the colussus again. Fascinating video as usual!
The more info I learn regarding this game, the more I want a sequel to be made someday. Something about this world and the lore is just fascinating for some reason. Keep up the good work.
This makes me wish you could randomize the order you fight the colossi. Even the remake doesn't have a randomize option. That would have been a cool thing for them to put in. I know you can just go and pray to them and fight them again but it would be cool to start a new game and never know which colossi you are gonna fight next. It would make replay more interesting.
But Malus would always be the last, no way we could get to the final cutscene by fighting Cenobia for example XD
@@SkyFly102 i think they could the only problem would be that you wouldnt have agro after malus
@@SkyFly102 Definitely Malus should be last.
I love you so fucking much dude, like i really appreciate you being here, I'm so happy you keep uploading and just... loving this game as much as i do.
I'm so glad you and others are still exploring this game. Almost 14 years later and there are still new mysteries being discovered. Thank you!
Dirge: "an isolated sand dune...it's tracks are you well hidden... *Along with it's friend, It shakes de Earth"*
This quote makes me wonder about the Worm/dionin (scrapped Colossus) being some "friend" of dirge
Actually that was a mistake in the video (D'oh!) I had the Preview version of Dirge's description in the list when it should have been the US version with 'Shaking the earth, its gaze is upon thee...'
If that is the case, you probably messed up with the Turtle as well, considering the description in the video is "it sleeps at the bottom of lake", which is from the preview version, as opposed to the retail's "it sleeps in a dry lake bed"
@Intrepid Explorer
I think Dirge's friend being Monkey makes a lot more sense than the Worm. It is already a huge coincidence that the coordinates match Dirge's cave of all things, but with the confirmation that there was another colossus (a friend) on Dirge's lair, it seems to match the evidence quite well.
There is also another problem - we know Worm had its own separate statue/idol, as shown by its appearance in the game's code, which wouldn't make much sense if it was meant to be fought alongside Dirge. However, Monkey was removed early on the game's production, being quite probably the first colossi to be scrapped alongside Griffin, which means it was definitely before the colossi idols were designed (as shown by the fact that the much-later previews show all 24 statues being copies of Valus), so in my view, it makes a lot more sense that;
1. Dirge and Monkey were meant to be fought alongside each other. The Dormin entry for Dirge was designed early on with this idea in mind, before either of their idols were designed.
2. Monkey was scrapped and they didn't bother to change Dirgin's entry up until after the demo's release. This idea is made even more likely by the fact that Celosia and Kuromori's entries weren't changed from the preview versions, despite the fact that there is obviously no "lake" overlooking Celosia's altar like Dormin says, nor a forest surrounding Kuromori's arena (in the latter case, said forest having been present when Kuromori was still on his Yamori_A phase in the early build)
Correct - I used a Photoshop file I had already created of Dormin's descriptions, but you can see at the end of the video (SotC viewer) what the NTSC (final version) descriptions say. They are slightly different in a few places - no biggie.
@@NomadColossus Can you tell me if The Dam is present on the PS3 remaster of the game?
An isolated sand dune...
It's tracks are well hidden...
*Along with it's friend,*
It shakes the earth.
No, no, NO.
Don't tell me there where originally TWO Dirges.
Even one is more than enough.
Maybe It was dionin , the worm colossus
Correct. Dirge was supposed to work with the Worm Colossus that was discarded.
ElVolcanPreview your actually wrong.There was another scrapped colossi that was basically like celosia and cenobia.Its battle field is at the stone hedge.The player would distract the colossi and trap it between the hedges.This was a technical and typographical error as they had been misplaced.
@@johnmolina3050 Yeah, i know what colossi you mean, Sirius. But your telling me that Dirge and Sirius were going to work together?
ElVolcanPreview no.I mean it’s a technical glitch.
So the original order was the following:
Valus
Quadratus
Phaedra
Basaran
Hydrus
Gaius
Phalanx
Kuromori
Avion
Celosia
Barba
Dirge
Pelagia
Cenobia
Argus
Malus
The more I look at this, the more I'm thankful that this isn't the final order. There's a terrible difficulty curve, especially with Basaran being #4 and Barba being one of the last ones.
2:18 Just noticed that from this angle, the center wall looks like a goat skull. Probably a coincidence, but it would make sense considering Dormin's role in the game.
The devil
@@ShovelLettuce The Devil disguised as the guiding light.
A fair devil though as he gave warning and fulfilled his part of the deal.
@@ShovelLettuce The cost was great, but yes he kept his end.
Dirge makes more sense in the water
But Hydrus is easiest
Literally jump on him
Then he can't submerge
And Phalanx...
Just jump from that big tower onto the gentle giant
Dirge in the water....
i hate that idea.
Maybe hydrus would fly?
Once again he returns. Im always Glad to see what you have to show, Nomad.
Nice discovery, it's nice see one game with more than 15 years have things to discover
The Second Colossi being in the desert reminds me of the early concept of the game, back when it was still called Nico and was a 4 player co-op.
Many years later and we're still learning very interesting things about this game.
I'll never forget when this game came out me and my bro played it and even years later reminisce about it, just wish they would make a 2ND SotC. Good work on clarification for the original order of colossi, thumbs up!
I would just imagine the struggle for players while fighting basaran's with the stamina of 3 colossi defeated.
Very good stuff Nomad.
Ok when you showed the colossi in their alternate locations it honestly scared me
Holy shoot....
I wonder what would be it like for us if this is the order we get
You make it feel like this game will never die, it will never run out of secrets to be found.
Great job, Nomad, you are by far one of the best channels on all TH-cam, even though you don't get the recognition you deserve.
Someday I hope we'll get to see actual in-game footage of the cut Colossi, aside from that one bit of Roc. I'm sure we'll see it here if we do.
and here I thought that you ran out of content... So glad to see another sotc video
Omg, I really needed this ;-; this makes me want to go back and finish my playthrough for youtube on it XDD
My favorite track from skyrim, nice choice at the beginning👌
Great to see another upload Nomad! I must say I only joined the SotC fanbase recently, but I have learnt so much from your videos and blogs, and from others like Yamori. The fact that you delved this deep into the game truly amazes me.
How wonderfull would It be If they realease a some images withs the ereased colossi moving Just a little.
Such dedication on your findings on all of your video..truly a hardcore fan, for that I salute you sir.
Love your vids man and keep on Gaming Epicly
I love that you always find something new and entertaining about this game.
Your mysteries OPM video is one of my favorites! I remember thinking that pelegula was already hard to kill in the water can you imagine trying to get on him in 13’s arena!?
That Skyrim music gives me chills. :)
It's amazing how much hearth and effort you put into these videos after so many years, you've been with me since i was a child:,) i'll be with you to the end
Thank you
Great video as always:)
Pelagia looks neat in the desert.
God the man who never stops giving, thank you for your dedication and all you do, Nomad
I really wish the content about this game never ends
Glad you're still posting
Dirge in the water would make me 10 times more terrified :'D
Hayde dude dirge's eye is horrifying to look at
@@adielfasshan664 Right?! Imagine you looking down the area "hey a lake" and when you look down there is just a pair of bright gigantic eyes staring back at you.
Nope. Noooope.
Hayde would scared the crap out of me too, even seeing hydrus on the lake gives me the chills
@@adielfasshan664 same here. I know he's not nearly agressive as Dirge, but I have that water level "trauma" since the gigantic eel in Mario 64 haha
many years later and still the most loyal fan
It feels so good to see a notification from Nomad.
0:19
Excellent choice of song. Secunda is beautiful.
Secunda goes surprisingly well with SotC. One great soundtrack paired with another...
Thanks for the new video Nomad
Awesome you still make videos on this game, but this one in particular was somewhat icomprehensive.
It’s really amazing man. How you find these stuff and notes and explain them in this way. This game is really an artwork and you don’t wanna stop playing it even after getting platinum. Hope they would make a new similar game or a new release of SOTC 2.
Still going at it. That’s why I love you so much!
Amazing content as aways man! U're the best
Another lost knowledge of Shadow of the Colossus! Nice find!
This kind of content gives me life
Nomad Colossus,i liked very much this video about SotC!! Congratulations! :)
Huh. That is mighty interesting, but I have to admit I'm super glad Basaran isn't #4 in the final release. That thing was such a pain in the ass to take down!
I love to see the game I grew up with since I was born, getting so much love
The colossi being in the locations of other colossi is very unnerving for some reason.
That's crazy! It makes way more sense now! Great discovery!
Que genial que sigan sacando curiosidades a este juego.
beautiful skyrim music sounds...
I love the song! Great video!
I clicked on that notification so god damm hard!
It's a good thing they changed the order, I cannot imagine having to fight Basaran as early as #4 and not losing my shit. That one took me forever when I first got this game lol
The best thing in my day?
That notification
And pizza XD
Sorry, i won't watch now cuz im studying for test :/
But i will like your video cuz your stuff is amazing
Same it's finals but I have fought agrus on the left side instead of the right
lol, you have time to write down this comment below the video and don't have six minutes to watch it? Log out from TH-cam then before you pass the test instead of making excuses to not watch the vid
@@TheColossusAgro gosh, i just write fast :/
Hope the test goes well 🙂
@@vickyf3346 thx :3
I already did it
When the music is in the wrong place : you're not suppose to be in here
Love that skyrim background music 💙
Bro using the tree theme song
4:30 this is what you see when you die agaist Narga...
This game has changed my life.
Here's a video idea: At the end of the game as dormin, can you kill all the people running toward the water thing.
Skyrim sound is amazing
Are you referring to the *Oblivion* music?
@@blasttyrant3228 No, the music is from Skyrim. at the beginning of the video
Secunda is beautiful song
Indeed! I fell in love with it the first time I played Skyrim!
i love this channel because shadow of the colossus it's my favorite game, and yours videos are so cool y interesting
pd: mi language is spanish because a live in costa rica, and i don't speak english, so sorry for my ugly and fake english :(
@Nomad Colossus
In one of the few images we have of Pholux/The Devil, it's possible to see that there is a large narrow gap between the cliffs in the background; pm1.narvii.com/6841/d7d62cf296c69997c3dd5cce5a7c4c0710e7a499v2_hq.jpg
Would this match Devil living near the Dam like the current accepted theory holds?
Awesome video nomad
It 2019 but I'm always like to play Shadow Of The Colossus
0:30 o2 looks like black woman with her arms raised to her left
2:06 bro imagine this boss fight
If SOTC Viewer has a NTSC and PAL option, do the two versions differ? Ico had quite a few changes for it's PAL release, ramp up difficulty mostly.
Thank you Nomad ! ; )
Maybe the colossi order was different when the battles looked different. The strategy has changed, so difficulty level changed too.
Awesome video as always, but how did you do that looooooooonnnnng ass jump at the end?
It's a code (memory address) I found that enables you to change how high Wander jumps (I call it the Moon jump code : )
@@NomadColossus oh ok, what are the programs needed to find this stuff in the game? And the code thing?
Dirge friends is on PREY FOR THE GOD Yes?
the INTRO SONG its from Elder Scrolls IV oblivion
Like A Boss!!! 5:57
Now i want to know what the order was with the cut collossi
You know where the 17th is, nomad
Your content is always enjoyable. Thank you for the upload :)
By the way, what's that song at 4:53 ?
Sky Burial
@@Jaikhay231 thank you
I love the Skyrim music 🎶❤️
Wait,dirge was suppose to have a friend beside him to help him which was the Worm colossi but that said friend was cut from the game and Dormin giving you hints about dirge changed in the final cut of the game
No, that was a misconception - translation error - the 'friend' is Agro. i.e. you need Agro to defeat Dirge.
What does that early Dormin description of Dirge mean? 4:29 "An isolated sand dune... Its tracks are well hidden... Along with its friend, it shakes the earth" (instead of its gaze is upon thee..."
That actually was a mistake I made in the video. This description comes from the earlier Preview (Pre-release) version of the game. But as to what it means, that is still open to interpretation... My idea is that it relates to the discarded Worm colossus, but there is no proof of this.
4:30 bro why does Dirge look like a demonic Kermit?
Hey nomad, do you still working on the model of Aberth/Spider?
In one of the parts of your blogs, There was a part that it said that You were modeling Spider and it would be hard to putting on the texture (kinda like dat, i dont remember.) and there was a image of the Spider's head, which was similar to the original one.
I'd love to know you still working on it, maybe you can at the end show us the full model with textures and if you can, put him some animations !
Thanks for reading.