Nice vid. Most people do not understand that hp is one of many things that effect how fast a sled is. Clutching and gearing make a massive difference. And that is the reason those sleds are the same speed until 70mph. If you had a race spec 600 sled. It would make ≈145hp, weigh 50lb less and have a top speed of literally 65-70mph. But it would completely destroy every single stock sled on the market up to 60mph. Under 2.5s in the right snow
My 600 renegade carb is shocking. I had Apex sleds and bought one of these cheap after wrecking one. They are faster than an Apex out of the chute but obviously will get passed and blown away but in the normal riding speeds between 50 and 100 they are great and no more digging out! I now have three. I can't say I don't miss that beautiful Apex engine sound but the doo's are pretty dang good
impressive my ptek with 872 trygstad granted spinning track super hard did little over 80mph on radar run. Out in some medium deep snow though it walks on normal 800s
Jed Pratte The PTeks were a bit fasyter than the 800HO carbed, and the 800etec is a huge step above them both. Keep on riding! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
The etecs make 155 hp on a realistic long pull. The 163 was a short pull on a cold 2010.5. Per Ski-Doo the 800 makes 155 and the new 850 165. Ive seen as high as 175 Hp on a short cold pull with the 850 etecs. Real world the 800 etec is 155hp. 850 165
possibly - i am going off of published rating in 2012 - plus i had a bondi airbox and tuning to factor into the equation.., The whole point is the little 125 rated HP 600etec should be no where close to the 800. And it is.
Gotcha man I understand. The new 600r is a runner. I just picked up a leftover 19 850 etec tnt for a heck of a price. Even in break in mode it feels pretty strong !
Randy Reading oh ya, its just starting to come alive at 70MPH... thanks for watching! Did u see my Behind the Scenes on this sled and the Suspension Tuning Video on this channel?
@@mudbrats no I haven't, I'll have to check , I am always interested in how others setup their suspensions. We do mostly tight trail riding so I am always to get a little more bite on the skis.
I’m a cat lover but I gotta say , I’ve been doing my homework. So I recently put a deposit on a leftover 2019 600 Renegade,one of the best sleds for the money. It is however for the wifey, I will still be riding my 07 F1000 for a couple more years, since it’s still riding nice and doesn’t owe me anything.
Chad EVan The Firecats are awesome sleds - 2007 was a great year for cats! Youll love the nee renegade tho, thats a perfect chasis 137” and perfect engine combo! Congrats
Mud Brats ADV , thank you for the positive message. I’m really hoping that the skidoo’s is gonna impress. I’m just not sure if I’m ready for the ribbing from my skidoo and cat friends. Haha
yeah the 800 is very inaccurate when it comes to it's horspower. it's nowhere near ski doo's originally claimed 163. it's most likeley closer to 146 horsepower. Anyways, that 600 has some speed. I'm impressed that it could keep up that well
Depends on how you ride - the 129 is great on trail and little off trail as you can see on my channel with my 2009 with the 129.... the 137 renegade is more multi function
@@mudbrats im not a fast trail rider, like to putt and enjoy the scenery. im more into playing off trail, and have some hillside technical trails on my land. im in NH. hopefully we get good snow, ya never know nowadays.
About the best video I’ve seen of it against the 800s. Seems like it would be plenty fast for a normal person. It would still put a smile on your face like the 800s/ 850s do.
The XRS 600R is my friend DNOs sled. His son was riding it when we raced. DNO went from a 2016 800r XRS to the new 600R and put about 1500-2000 miles this winter on the 600. We were just talking yesterday and he says he is so happy with it and glad he didn't get the 850. He never felt the 600 ever needed more and in trails there is no comparison. If you are riding long hard fast straight trails all day long, the bigger bore sleds will shine, but in trails the 600R is more jam than anyone needs or can use!
and sometimes it not ALWAYS THE BIGGEST CC that wins..how many remember the 2003 firecat 700 ?? thats made 140 horses.it was beating 800s,,not always the biggest cc wins..case closed
@@mudbrats yup,har to beat these f7 in 700s ,,only a 1998 srx might have a chance in the 700 class,,but thats a triple,,it might have the f7 after 100mph,,id expect the triple to finger walk past the cat
2011 was the year they detuned as they 2010s were blowing. I have the updates on mine and can confirm its the same as a newer gen 800 etec - I have raced a few and my 800 is not lacking at all. Timing advance, clutch tweaks, and a bondi airbox to top it all off.
wouldnt matter - we ran 6 passes - 3 at night and 3 the next day - and that sled is damn quick for a 600R... point of the video is, it wont beat my 800 in a drag but, it holds its own with 800s and if your regular trail riding, it doesnt matter if you have an 850, 800 or a 600R - your not going to be left behind hehe
True... but on the trails I will take a 600R over my 800 anyday.... The point of this video is to show how far Skidoo has come with the new 600R. It competes with the big bores. Thanks for watching and commenting, we appreciate it!
Mud Brats ADV that’s all I do is trail riding , northern Ontario ... the 600 is a fantastic machine no doubt ... but for those 1 hour logging roads I need the extra go .
sternt73 Yeah except that 600 keeps up with your 850 all the way up to 90mph. As for them being pussy rides I can’t wait til you get older kid because you’ll be a pussy too. Don’t dis something til you try moron
No doubt the 600 is quick but now i have an 850, I wouldnt say 90mph. I think around 40mph my 850 is gonna gap the 600. The 600 definitely holeshots quick but i find it really flattens out mid range. I think a clutch kit on a 600 would close the gap, but dont underestimate the long legs and boost injectors on the 850. Its a pretty linear acceleration and doesnt flatten out like the 600.
comparing apples to oranges,,try comparing something of the HORSEPOWER,,try a 2013 mxz 600rs like mine,, mines ported and polished,40mm carbs 138 horses,race that against yer 600xrs see what happens,,id smoke you that what would happen,,lol
it wasnt meant to show that i can beat a 600... this video was meant to show how friggin fast a bone stock 600R is. In reality this race should not have been close. yet the 600 is knocking on the back door the whole way. To have such a huge gap in cc and only be a sled length away is a huge achievement. I am blown away period
@@mudbrats your absolutely right some people just cant see what you were actually doing in the video. not like your racing for slips. I love it. Currently running a xp 600 carb really would like to get an etec
I’m tipping in at 295 and switched from a 2003 800 REV to a 2017 ETECH 600.... I can attest as this video does, definitely moves! Maybe another year or two it will be my girl’s sled, mine for now! ☮️
This video sold me on the 600r, got a 2019 Renegade 600r, she flat rips
91chevy1500 glad to hear that!
Had very good hard pack conditions in the UP this weekend, saw 102 on the speedo (safe wide open spot) and it had more in it yet
91chevy1500 nice!!!
I guess it's kinda off topic but do anyone know a good website to watch new movies online?
@Jeremy Andres meh I'd suggest flixportal. you can find it thru google:) -edison
I took a demo ride of that 600r, and it blew me away how much power that thing had on the trails. Amazing sled.
Yep - because its lighter, its actually better than my 800 etec. Its definitely on my radar when I decide to upgrade.
I love my 2019 MXZ TNT 850 with 129” track I’ll take this as a trail or lake sled all day everyday
Got to love skidoo best sleds made !!!!!
Nice vid.
Most people do not understand that hp is one of many things that effect how fast a sled is. Clutching and gearing make a massive difference. And that is the reason those sleds are the same speed until 70mph.
If you had a race spec 600 sled. It would make ≈145hp, weigh 50lb less and have a top speed of literally 65-70mph.
But it would completely destroy every single stock sled on the market up to 60mph. Under 2.5s in the right snow
just to be clear. That is a stock 600r - no clutching. The 800 is clutched and the 600 was right there
Best I could get out of my old 1969 TNT was 80 mph on radar. Not bad for 30 hp
Thats crazy fast for 1969... thats all my 81 Yamaha 440 exciter would do!!! The new Ski-Doo XRS 600R is a force to be reckoned with!
My 600 renegade carb is shocking. I had Apex sleds and bought one of these cheap after wrecking one. They are faster than an Apex out of the chute but obviously will get passed and blown away but in the normal riding speeds between 50 and 100 they are great and no more digging out! I now have three. I can't say I don't miss that beautiful Apex engine sound but the doo's are pretty dang good
Cant beat a renegade - smooths out rough trail and best of both worlds on and off trail - thanks for watching and commenting!!
My brother and Dad have 600 carbs, they are quick, i just got a new 600r and runs away from the carbs even in break in mode
I like that 600r but I think I'm going to have to get an 850 next time. Great video!
Paisteboy thanks man!
impressive my ptek with 872 trygstad granted spinning track super hard did little over 80mph on radar run. Out in some medium deep snow though it walks on normal 800s
Jed Pratte The PTeks were a bit fasyter than the 800HO carbed, and the 800etec is a huge step above them both. Keep on riding! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
CANT WAIT TIL SLED SEASON BOY'S!!!!!! Wont be long now.. I'm a new subscriber to the channel.. Keep up the good work bud
thank you! i really appreciate your comment and support! stay tuned
The 94 Vmax will give that 600 a good run ! We'll have to try one day.
Mark Bow we can run them for pink slips... ill make room in my garage! right beside the skiboose hahaha
@@mudbrats LOL ! !!
The etecs make 155 hp on a realistic long pull. The 163 was a short pull on a cold 2010.5. Per Ski-Doo the 800 makes 155 and the new 850 165. Ive seen as high as 175 Hp on a short cold pull with the 850 etecs. Real world the 800 etec is 155hp. 850 165
possibly - i am going off of published rating in 2012 - plus i had a bondi airbox and tuning to factor into the equation.., The whole point is the little 125 rated HP 600etec should be no where close to the 800. And it is.
Gotcha man I understand. The new 600r is a runner. I just picked up a leftover 19 850 etec tnt for a heck of a price. Even in break in mode it feels pretty strong !
Nice, I have the same 2012 ETec, I do occasional Lake riding depending on conditions, that last 1/4 of throttle is amazing power!
Randy Reading oh ya, its just starting to come alive at 70MPH... thanks for watching! Did u see my Behind the Scenes on this sled and the Suspension Tuning Video on this channel?
@@mudbrats no I haven't, I'll have to check , I am always interested in how others setup their suspensions. We do mostly tight trail riding so I am always to get a little more bite on the skis.
@@randyreading8317 I run Woodys shaper bars and found my steering a little heavy. Here is the video: th-cam.com/video/Vs6WKB5IeQk/w-d-xo.html
P Drive makes a big diff, more power going to the track.
Michael Lowe yessir! P-Drive is really efficient
With the coupler blocks on one I can barely keep the skis on the ground. 2018 blizzard 850
Plymco USA i have my 800 weighted to the skis to keep them down - its a little heavy steering but its more controllable power.
Great video I love your sled
Thank-you! I really love the renegade as well. Here is more info on this one: th-cam.com/video/OviKf6XPmss/w-d-xo.html
I’m a cat lover but I gotta say , I’ve been doing my homework. So I recently put a deposit on a leftover 2019 600 Renegade,one of the best sleds for the money. It is however for the wifey, I will still be riding my 07 F1000 for a couple more years, since it’s still riding nice and doesn’t owe me anything.
Chad EVan The Firecats are awesome sleds - 2007 was a great year for cats! Youll love the nee renegade tho, thats a perfect chasis 137” and perfect engine combo! Congrats
Mud Brats ADV , thank you for the positive message. I’m really hoping that the skidoo’s is gonna impress. I’m just not sure if I’m ready for the ribbing from my skidoo and cat friends. Haha
i have a 2017 mxz blizard 800 r 800 foot run did 92.7 mph stock
jim markovich nice!
I have a 2011 xrs 800r. my recorded top speed on instument cluster says 190 km/h 118mph
yeah the 800 is very inaccurate when it comes to it's horspower. it's nowhere near ski doo's originally claimed 163. it's most likeley closer to 146 horsepower. Anyways, that 600 has some speed. I'm impressed that it could keep up that well
Agree 100% - And you got the point - The 600 shouldnt be close
800 etec is closer to 155hp
I want a 600r but cant decide if i want short track or long
Depends on how you ride - the 129 is great on trail and little off trail as you can see on my channel with my 2009 with the 129.... the 137 renegade is more multi function
@@mudbrats im not a fast trail rider, like to putt and enjoy the scenery. im more into playing off trail, and have some hillside technical trails on my land. im in NH. hopefully we get good snow, ya never know nowadays.
you better go with a renegade and if you can run at least a 1.5” track you will love it
About the best video I’ve seen of it against the 800s. Seems like it would be plenty fast for a normal person. It would still put a smile on your face like the 800s/ 850s do.
The XRS 600R is my friend DNOs sled. His son was riding it when we raced. DNO went from a 2016 800r XRS to the new 600R and put about 1500-2000 miles this winter on the 600. We were just talking yesterday and he says he is so happy with it and glad he didn't get the 850. He never felt the 600 ever needed more and in trails there is no comparison. If you are riding long hard fast straight trails all day long, the bigger bore sleds will shine, but in trails the 600R is more jam than anyone needs or can use!
I like the Ricky Bobby comment! Nice one
Thank-you!
I want one to !!!
i couldnt find a could used 600R when i was looking so jumped on a smokin deal for an 850. I would have no problems going back to a 600r
Riding in a straight line day after day must suck. Trail sleds are nothing compared to a mountain sleds. How can you even be good or bad at it?
this was straight as its a lake - our trails are quite cool through the twisty forest... but yeah wont compare to mountain riding
Rev all the way
Jenn Balfour we are both winners
Jenn Balfour we are both winners
Get a renegade xrs 850 will never regret it.
Shayne Reimer i think you could put any motor in the Gen4 and it would be a riot....even a 368cc 🤘
Something wrong with that 800
David Clausner nope - she was a good one and running tip top
nope the 600r is just amazing
and sometimes it not ALWAYS THE BIGGEST CC that wins..how many remember the 2003 firecat 700 ?? thats made 140 horses.it was beating 800s,,not always the biggest cc wins..case closed
yes the F7s were and still are a fast sled out of the box! This little 600R is really impressive on the lake and on trails its untouchable!
@@mudbrats yup,har to beat these f7 in 700s ,,only a 1998 srx might have a chance in the 700 class,,but thats a triple,,it might have the f7 after 100mph,,id expect the triple to finger walk past the cat
@@joeneault785 my brand new 2003 F7 Patriot Edition with 5 miles on it did 114 mph though the radar over and over, fast sleds for the day for sure.
Guy on the yellow skidoo.. lean back get all your weight in the back the track won't spin..
Dennis Kucan i will tell him... stay tuned as more drags coming for 2019-2020 season!!
Just a reminder the 2012 was the lowest hp on dyno 800 etec mid 150s. Impressive 600. Now race a 16 or 10.5 etec 800 or a 850
2011 was the year they detuned as they 2010s were blowing. I have the updates on mine and can confirm its the same as a newer gen 800 etec - I have raced a few and my 800 is not lacking at all. Timing advance, clutch tweaks, and a bondi airbox to top it all off.
Don't sit on the back of the seat as far back as possible so you get better traction better take off duh..
wouldnt matter - we ran 6 passes - 3 at night and 3 the next day - and that sled is damn quick for a 600R... point of the video is, it wont beat my 800 in a drag but, it holds its own with 800s and if your regular trail riding, it doesnt matter if you have an 850, 800 or a 600R - your not going to be left behind hehe
Yea I would still take a 800 all day long , this doesn’t prove anything either way
True... but on the trails I will take a 600R over my 800 anyday.... The point of this video is to show how far Skidoo has come with the new 600R. It competes with the big bores. Thanks for watching and commenting, we appreciate it!
Mud Brats ADV that’s all I do is trail riding , northern Ontario ... the 600 is a fantastic machine no doubt ... but for those 1 hour logging roads I need the extra go .
This video just verified why I run an 850. 600's are pussy rides
sternt73 Yeah except that 600 keeps up with your 850 all the way up to 90mph. As for them being pussy rides I can’t wait til you get older kid because you’ll be a pussy too. Don’t dis something til you try moron
No doubt the 600 is quick but now i have an 850, I wouldnt say 90mph. I think around 40mph my 850 is gonna gap the 600. The 600 definitely holeshots quick but i find it really flattens out mid range. I think a clutch kit on a 600 would close the gap, but dont underestimate the long legs and boost injectors on the 850. Its a pretty linear acceleration and doesnt flatten out like the 600.
comparing apples to oranges,,try comparing something of the HORSEPOWER,,try a 2013 mxz 600rs like mine,, mines ported and polished,40mm carbs 138 horses,race that against yer 600xrs see what happens,,id smoke you that what would happen,,lol
it wasnt meant to show that i can beat a 600... this video was meant to show how friggin fast a bone stock 600R is. In reality this race should not have been close. yet the 600 is knocking on the back door the whole way. To have such a huge gap in cc and only be a sled length away is a huge achievement. I am blown away period
@@mudbrats your absolutely right some people just cant see what you were actually doing in the video. not like your racing for slips. I love it. Currently running a xp 600 carb really would like to get an etec
@@kwadlife4106 exactly! thats for seeing that. This should not even be close 800cc vs 600cc etec to etec
@@mudbrats nope. In my mind the only place I'd buy an 800/850 for is going to the mountains.
@@kwadlife4106 i cant wait til doo launches the 650R
Girls sled
Alan Call ....likely, if the girl kicks ass! 😂😂😂
I’m tipping in at 295 and switched from a 2003 800 REV to a 2017 ETECH 600.... I can attest as this video does, definitely moves! Maybe another year or two it will be my girl’s sled, mine for now! ☮️