The plan was to film around the temple not inside. Also, this temple is not typically used by locals, it's more for tourists to appreciate the beautiful design/ architecture.
@@carmaadventures what do you mean 'not typically used by locals'. Of course it is. It's a temple. It was designed by the National Artist for Thai people.
She asked if you were TH-camrs and you said yes. Having a “professional” camera is probably an easy tell as to if you are someone who films for work. They allow recording for personal use. This is not discrimination they would have allowed you to go in if you signed and followed the contract. Stop trying to paint the places you visit in a bad light. So entitled and rude to the staff who are only doing their job. Don’t think they came up with the rules.
We don't film for work. TH-cam is our "book of memories" and some people watch and some others don't. We don't live from this. Is 90% of the population Instagramer for uploading posts to Instagram? Does that mean that that is your job? Are you saying that everyone that has a professional camera has a job taking pics/recording? If you watched the whole video we mentioned several times that we understand it's not her fault, and in several occasion we said about leaving but the lady continued the convo (not in a rude way at all). Yet again, we said it is a beautiful temple, and we recommend people visit it, but this video is mainly to record our experience and maybe other people that go with cameras and mics can be prepared.
@@carmaadventures calling yourself a TH-camr implies you do it for work. Most of the population wouldn’t consider themselves TH-camrs even tho they use it. You even asked the worker “if we post a video and we are earning money from that video.” And when the worker said yes. You went no and asked for a refund. And just cause you didn’t say anything rude doesn’t mean you didn’t have a rude attitude. You continued to argue with her about the wording of the contract knowing she couldn’t do anything.
I guess the difference is that we work hard but we don't do it for work. It's easier to say that we are TH-camrs rather than explaining that this video will end up on TH-cam. At the end of the day, if you read the contract it mentions ads. TH-cam places ads on your videos regardless if you monetise or not. We never said that the fact of having a contract is the issue, but we won't give ownership of our work to others and that contract also didn't make sense. As the lady said, we had a professional camera. No where in the contract says to single out people with professional cameras nor microphones (she also then added followers and subtitles which is also not in the contract). In fact, it says that even people taking still images and photographs and uploading it to social media would have to sign that. We were trying to understand why we were the only ones singled out when other people also had professional cameras, tripods, and were clearly taking vids. I don't recoil this conversation being heated nor angry, simply confusion from both parties
@@carmaadventures the camera was a way for them to deduct that you might do social media for monetary gain. And the contact does not have to state what criteria they use to ask you to sign it. You said it yourself TH-cam slaps ads on your videos anyway. They might not want ads to run that don’t align with that of country or the temple and most TH-camrs have sponsored videos. And again you don’t have outwardly rude to be rude. You can be passive aggressive or dismissive the tone in you voice and your body language.
I think the camera is something irrelevant now a days. I'm sure you have seen big and actual TH-camrs filming with their phones. When they claim the rights it means that all monetary gains (in this case non) will go towards them. but regardless, I think you read to much into the voice and body language. It is a conversation where we are trying to understand what's going on. But at the end of the day, to reiterate, this is our experience and we share it for other creators to understand what they will need to address if they wish to record at this location 😊
it's not really a local rule, it is a company policy. This specific temple is owned by a private company. In other local temples you are allowed to record (obviously as long as it is in a respectful manner without disturbing others).
@carmaadventures I appreciate that, but as someone who has travelled Asia for decades, these kind of debates create more tensions than get policies amended. If you want to see meaningful change, put down roots somewhere you love and work with the locals for better outcomes for both sides.
The moment were everything went south is 02:26
just accept and respect what she say
Its a Temple, a place of worship. Respect their rules. Most places of worship dont appreciate people filming.
The plan was to film around the temple not inside. Also, this temple is not typically used by locals, it's more for tourists to appreciate the beautiful design/ architecture.
@@carmaadventures what do you mean 'not typically used by locals'. Of course it is. It's a temple. It was designed by the National Artist for Thai people.
That's what a local from Chiang Rai mentioned to us in a conversation
She asked if you were TH-camrs and you said yes. Having a “professional” camera is probably an easy tell as to if you are someone who films for work. They allow recording for personal use. This is not discrimination they would have allowed you to go in if you signed and followed the contract. Stop trying to paint the places you visit in a bad light. So entitled and rude to the staff who are only doing their job. Don’t think they came up with the rules.
We don't film for work. TH-cam is our "book of memories" and some people watch and some others don't. We don't live from this. Is 90% of the population Instagramer for uploading posts to Instagram? Does that mean that that is your job? Are you saying that everyone that has a professional camera has a job taking pics/recording? If you watched the whole video we mentioned several times that we understand it's not her fault, and in several occasion we said about leaving but the lady continued the convo (not in a rude way at all). Yet again, we said it is a beautiful temple, and we recommend people visit it, but this video is mainly to record our experience and maybe other people that go with cameras and mics can be prepared.
@@carmaadventures calling yourself a TH-camr implies you do it for work. Most of the population wouldn’t consider themselves TH-camrs even tho they use it. You even asked the worker “if we post a video and we are earning money from that video.” And when the worker said yes. You went no and asked for a refund. And just cause you didn’t say anything rude doesn’t mean you didn’t have a rude attitude. You continued to argue with her about the wording of the contract knowing she couldn’t do anything.
I guess the difference is that we work hard but we don't do it for work. It's easier to say that we are TH-camrs rather than explaining that this video will end up on TH-cam. At the end of the day, if you read the contract it mentions ads. TH-cam places ads on your videos regardless if you monetise or not. We never said that the fact of having a contract is the issue, but we won't give ownership of our work to others and that contract also didn't make sense. As the lady said, we had a professional camera. No where in the contract says to single out people with professional cameras nor microphones (she also then added followers and subtitles which is also not in the contract). In fact, it says that even people taking still images and photographs and uploading it to social media would have to sign that. We were trying to understand why we were the only ones singled out when other people also had professional cameras, tripods, and were clearly taking vids. I don't recoil this conversation being heated nor angry, simply confusion from both parties
@@carmaadventures the camera was a way for them to deduct that you might do social media for monetary gain. And the contact does not have to state what criteria they use to ask you to sign it. You said it yourself TH-cam slaps ads on your videos anyway. They might not want ads to run that don’t align with that of country or the temple and most TH-camrs have sponsored videos. And again you don’t have outwardly rude to be rude. You can be passive aggressive or dismissive the tone in you voice and your body language.
I think the camera is something irrelevant now a days. I'm sure you have seen big and actual TH-camrs filming with their phones. When they claim the rights it means that all monetary gains (in this case non) will go towards them. but regardless, I think you read to much into the voice and body language. It is a conversation where we are trying to understand what's going on. But at the end of the day, to reiterate, this is our experience and we share it for other creators to understand what they will need to address if they wish to record at this location 😊
Pretty simple: Respect local rules when you travel. No need for all the debate.
it's not really a local rule, it is a company policy. This specific temple is owned by a private company. In other local temples you are allowed to record (obviously as long as it is in a respectful manner without disturbing others).
@carmaadventures I appreciate that, but as someone who has travelled Asia for decades, these kind of debates create more tensions than get policies amended. If you want to see meaningful change, put down roots somewhere you love and work with the locals for better outcomes for both sides.