Statistics teacher and shooter here: "3 shots" is no "group". If you tried a 10x set, your conclusions on which is best could turn 180°. Love the combination of 1-by [penetration] and grouping, though! Damn efficient for running the experiment and for describing results. Sweet!
@Thomas McGinnis I hear you and I don’t disagree about the definition of a “group”. I do not believe more than two to three shots are necessary though at that very short range. I shoot primarily with centerfire rifles at ranges out to a mile and have found no benefit in using groups of more than 3 shots when working up loads for my long range rigs. I do use five shot groups at times but the results rarely benefit as compared to the findings from the 3 shot groups. I’m not concerned with shooter error as a variable. I am used to hitting 10 inch targets at 1000 yards so I’m confident in my ability to take out shooter error at 30 yards. So, if the shot was off, I do believe it was the pellet. Most certainly different opinions on this topic but I do what has worked for me. That’s just my justification not necessarily a disagreement with your thought. There are many shooters who do 10 round, round robin testing and nothing less.
@@HuntShootLive First you say you're not disagreeing, then you 100% disagree, then you make an equivalency between the ballistics of centerfire (slugs) and air pellets. "Dude." They are different universes, and you cannot make such equivalencies when judging ammo quality. 1) a slug (bullet) has the enter of mass *following* the center of (trajectory) pressure, and are prone to tumble when instabilities arise; but like a shuttlecock, air pellets have the center of mass up front, and the center of pressure (the skirt) following, and are naturally stabilizing in flight. 2) because of (these) ballistics, as well as the greater mass, speed, resulting energy and distances, manufacturing quality must be greater, or bullets would be flying all over the place, opening manufacturers to liabilities, loss of retail, law enforcement, and military contracts, and closure. Air pellets and slugs have differences driven by physics, usage, legalities, and economics. But first: physics.
@Thomas McGinnis I agree that typically 2-3 shots is not a "group". When shooting pellet rifles at 30 yards I do not believe it is necessary. Whatever works for different people is fine by me.
@@HuntShootLive *"...Whatever works...?"* I've taken the time to explain to you that your sampling is flawed -- that it *does not work.* At all. Flawed, invalid, and not to be relied upon. You produce great videos, but what you're missing is that your results (the ones that rely upon n=3 sampling) are neither reliable nor repeatable. If that's what you want "Hunt Shoot Live" to mean, that's (literally) your business. But let's be clear on what works and what doesn't: With the known variability of air pellet manufacturing, *n=3 samples do not work.* Okay, so, I'm out. {head shaking.}
@Thomas McGinnis I did a pellet test with the Swarm Magnum this evening using 10 shots for each pellet. That will be released Friday eve. I believe you will find it more comprehensive. Thanks for the feedback.
I just saw this review and agree that the pointed pellets work amazingly well. I use the Crossman pointed as they are plentiful in the stores and inexpensive yet work very well. I DO check all my pellets and clean/lube them before firing. It definitely makes just that bit of difference. The hollow points for close work would be fine and hit hard but you never know quite where they are going to go, especially with ANY wind! I do not have any domed pellets to try yet but they probably do well also. AND when I go up to the pointed 10gr pointed the fps comes down but the power goes up significantly along with the superior accuracy. This rifle may be a really good budget friendly choice but has the great piston, accuracy and power for the money. I have mine as that fun rifle and also for small game/pests. There is not much to them to break or come loose. Its best to at least blue loctite all your base bolts for years of good shooting. You did a really great review my friend!! Keep them coming. Sorry I did not see this sooner and had to test each pellet as you did. Sure would have saved me time!!
I get two can of Pellet forms 22cal air mag.one was Adjusted to the scope hitting great.the other can of Pellet I had to reject the scope. 3 3 clicks down
I got a tin of 500 of those Benjamin Hollow points at big five for 17 bucks (complete rip off by the way) they look identical to the Crossman Hower points with the exception being it seems the Benjamin cup might be a little bit wider but definitely not enough to make a difference. My hope is that it’s made of a softer material so it will at least expand more.
Well After almost 1 year xD here I am watching your videos on the first time, waiting for my Game swarm magnum 10x gen2 xD I bought red fire pellets bc I saw more people using it and hey it was cool xD THX FOR THE VIDEOS~!!!!! Portugal watch you!!
Have u shoot the gamo red fire and gamo hollow points to see which one does better that destruction for hunting small game and when they loose accuracy at longer ranges
@Deltabfs Check my air rifle playlist. I have a lot of different vids that I do test the red fires and various hollow points but mostly on very hard objects like car doors. I would have to guess that both the red fires and any hollow point, assuming it groups well in your rifle, will do excellent for hunting small game. Regarding max distance for accurate shots... Due to the speed of the swarm whisper I would not want to shoot any small game animal past 30-40 yards. Swarm Magnum out to 50-60 yards.
@John Green Hey, thanks for the comment. Could you be more specific please? I did compare those different types in this video. What exactly are you wanting to see with them?
@@HuntShootLive well, there's at least 15 to 20 different hollow points makers. The same for pointed, regular domed, and then there's alloys. How about getting all hollow points together on a video and see what's best? Or pointed? or domed?
@John Green I will see what I end up with over time. I just do this for fun and spend my own money for what I shoot. I’m about tapped out on pellets for now. I do have a few more to try in a few weeks though so I should have at least one more vid coming soon that compares some different pellets not already tested.
@@HuntShootLive if you can, you can. Thanks for you videos. I just bought a gamo swarm whisper .22 cal, and don't want to spend money on junk pellets. My loader broke after 40 rounds, so gamo is sending me a new one free and a new magazine.
@John Green Mine really likes all but the pointed expanding in that Benjamin pack. It likes the Gamo red fire also. And the domed magnum from premiere. Seems like domed of most brands are working well.
I've been rewatching a lot of videos and have come to the conclusion that Gamo scopes and pellets really don't perform very well with higher recoil springer and gas ram airguns. They really work well with the Urban and on some of my Crosmans but so far it seems like everyone has had to replace the scopes and the pellets are not very accurate except with the PCP airguns.
@Ken Fan It does seem like pcp is the way to go for accuracy. Some people comment on the amazing groups they get with their Gamo but I can’t get the whisper or the magnum to do better than .5in at 30 yards. And that’s the best. Most pellets are an inch or more at 30. Fun to plink with but I believe I would opt for pcp if you plan to primarily hunt.
@@HuntShootLive Thanks for your prompt reply. By the way, I have been following your channel for about six months and really enjoy your content and have subscribed. I think your skull tests are very good and practical. Every hunter should always aim for a head shot in my opinion. And if you can't put a bullet or pellet right between the eyes, in an eye or ear, or at the base of the skull, then you should reconsider taking the shot. My first buck I took, blew off the front leg. My uncle and I had to follow the blood trail nearly 200 yards, if my memory is correct. That was a hard lesson to learn as a kid. The 12 gauge was just too much gun for me to handle, and even though I was dead on aiming for a double lung shot, something made it flinch just as I took the shot. Actually, your results were pretty good. I don't have any problem admitting that you're a better shot than I am. Especially given the variety of pellets that you are using. Unless I'm pesting rats, an inch or more isn't acceptable. No need to cause unnecessary pain or suffering. So you're right; pcp airguns are probably the best option for hunting. Besides, with a .22 there isn't really any need to take long shots past 30 or 40 yards. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I really want the Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen 2, but it might be too much gun for me, and with my old eyes I'm going to need to stay within 30 yards. In order to aim small miss small I first have to be able to see the target. Just an fyi, there's a TH-cam channel called STKO which focuses on airguns and pellet accuracy. If you haven't checked the channel out you should. James recommends checking pellet skirts for defects, sizing them, and washing lead pellets in dishwashing liquid. He consistently gets really tight groups. He used to do a lot of various testing of different brands but seems to have settled on Crosman Premiers of various head types. Because of his advice I started doing the same and went out and bought a sleeve of Crosman Premeirs. I think you would enjoy the channel. Stay Safe, Be Well, God Bless.
@Ken Fan Thank you for joining the HSL team. I’m pretty excited to get a doe during deer season and do the pellet test on a freshly killed deer. Should score one in a couple weeks! Thanks for the channel recommendation. Sounds like he sorts his stuff like we do for long range rifle shooting!
My Swarm loves the Crossman pointed at 20 yards...I can shoot 10 times and doing a dime size hole.. my buddies and I do squirrel hunting..only head shots count..only time there is a problem is when the squirrel decides to move..
That is so funny every time you fire that turkey goes off in the background that turkey is something else
He was funny! A bear tore his cage up and killed him a few months ago. I was sad.
@@HuntShootLive man that sucks I hope you can shoot that bare-and-ass one day
Statistics teacher and shooter here: "3 shots" is no "group". If you tried a 10x set, your conclusions on which is best could turn 180°. Love the combination of 1-by [penetration] and grouping, though! Damn efficient for running the experiment and for describing results. Sweet!
@Thomas McGinnis I hear you and I don’t disagree about the definition of a “group”. I do not believe more than two to three shots are necessary though at that very short range. I shoot primarily with centerfire rifles at ranges out to a mile and have found no benefit in using groups of more than 3 shots when working up loads for my long range rigs. I do use five shot groups at times but the results rarely benefit as compared to the findings from the 3 shot groups. I’m not concerned with shooter error as a variable. I am used to hitting 10 inch targets at 1000 yards so I’m confident in my ability to take out shooter error at 30 yards. So, if the shot was off, I do believe it was the pellet. Most certainly different opinions on this topic but I do what has worked for me. That’s just my justification not necessarily a disagreement with your thought. There are many shooters who do 10 round, round robin testing and nothing less.
@@HuntShootLive First you say you're not disagreeing, then you 100% disagree, then you make an equivalency between the ballistics of centerfire (slugs) and air pellets. "Dude." They are different universes, and you cannot make such equivalencies when judging ammo quality. 1) a slug (bullet) has the enter of mass *following* the center of (trajectory) pressure, and are prone to tumble when instabilities arise; but like a shuttlecock, air pellets have the center of mass up front, and the center of pressure (the skirt) following, and are naturally stabilizing in flight. 2) because of (these) ballistics, as well as the greater mass, speed, resulting energy and distances, manufacturing quality must be greater, or bullets would be flying all over the place, opening manufacturers to liabilities, loss of retail, law enforcement, and military contracts, and closure.
Air pellets and slugs have differences driven by physics, usage, legalities, and economics. But first: physics.
@Thomas McGinnis
I agree that typically 2-3 shots is not a "group". When shooting pellet rifles at 30 yards I do not believe it is necessary. Whatever works for different people is fine by me.
@@HuntShootLive *"...Whatever works...?"* I've taken the time to explain to you that your sampling is flawed -- that it *does not work.* At all. Flawed, invalid, and not to be relied upon. You produce great videos, but what you're missing is that your results (the ones that rely upon n=3 sampling) are neither reliable nor repeatable. If that's what you want "Hunt Shoot Live" to mean, that's (literally) your business. But let's be clear on what works and what doesn't: With the known variability of air pellet manufacturing, *n=3 samples do not work.* Okay, so, I'm out. {head shaking.}
@Thomas McGinnis
I did a pellet test with the Swarm Magnum this evening using 10 shots for each pellet. That will be released Friday eve. I believe you will find it more comprehensive. Thanks for the feedback.
I just saw this review and agree that the pointed pellets work amazingly well. I use the Crossman pointed as they are plentiful in the stores and inexpensive yet work very well. I DO check all my pellets and clean/lube them before firing. It definitely makes just that bit of difference. The hollow points for close work would be fine and hit hard but you never know quite where they are going to go, especially with ANY wind! I do not have any domed pellets to try yet but they probably do well also. AND when I go up to the pointed 10gr pointed the fps comes down but the power goes up significantly along with the superior accuracy.
This rifle may be a really good budget friendly choice but has the great piston, accuracy and power for the money. I have mine as that fun rifle and also for small game/pests. There is not much to them to break or come loose. Its best to at least blue loctite all your base bolts for years of good shooting.
You did a really great review my friend!! Keep them coming. Sorry I did not see this sooner and had to test each pellet as you did. Sure would have saved me time!!
@The TRAVELOR It is a super great pellet rifle. Shoot a lot of pellets fairly well. Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Try the discovery pellets. They say it's for pcp but it also says for all air guns
They r just crosman with a different picture on the tin
I recently filled my empty pellet tins with lead and found them great targets
I get two can of Pellet forms 22cal air mag.one was Adjusted to the scope hitting great.the other can of Pellet I had to reject the scope. 3 3 clicks down
@Henry Parent You got different results from two cans of the same type pellet?
I have 2 of these guns...bouggt first one used amd liked it soo much i bought a brand new 2nd one👍 i have 6 diff .22 cal pellets to shoot n try
@cain sample It is a great pellet rifle especially at that price. I hope you have fun trying out all your pellet options!
I got a tin of 500 of those Benjamin Hollow points at big five for 17 bucks (complete rip off by the way) they look identical to the Crossman Hower points with the exception being it seems the Benjamin cup might be a little bit wider but definitely not enough to make a difference. My hope is that it’s made of a softer material so it will at least expand more.
@Passportbro33Mark2 I’ve had the best luck out of Crosman Premier pellets in all my pellet rifles.
Well After almost 1 year xD here I am watching your videos on the first time, waiting for my Game swarm magnum 10x gen2 xD I bought red fire pellets bc I saw more people using it and hey it was cool xD THX FOR THE VIDEOS~!!!!! Portugal watch you!!
@FXSLoL Thank you for watching! I do like those red fire pretty well. Gamo Rockets are great as well. Thanks again… Shoot safe!
Have u shoot the gamo red fire and gamo hollow points to see which one does better that destruction for hunting small game and when they loose accuracy at longer ranges
@Deltabfs Check my air rifle playlist. I have a lot of different vids that I do test the red fires and various hollow points but mostly on very hard objects like car doors. I would have to guess that both the red fires and any hollow point, assuming it groups well in your rifle, will do excellent for hunting small game. Regarding max distance for accurate shots... Due to the speed of the swarm whisper I would not want to shoot any small game animal past 30-40 yards. Swarm Magnum out to 50-60 yards.
Try the hades, you will amazed. I’m 100% sure.
@Tom Campanale I will look for those. Thanks!
My choice to.
I would you please do a hollow point comparison, a pointed comparison, a dome comparison etc.
@John Green Hey, thanks for the comment. Could you be more specific please? I did compare those different types in this video. What exactly are you wanting to see with them?
@@HuntShootLive well, there's at least 15 to 20 different hollow points makers. The same for pointed, regular domed, and then there's alloys.
How about getting all hollow points together on a video and see what's best? Or pointed? or domed?
@John Green I will see what I end up with over time. I just do this for fun and spend my own money for what I shoot. I’m about tapped out on pellets for now. I do have a few more to try in a few weeks though so I should have at least one more vid coming soon that compares some different pellets not already tested.
@@HuntShootLive if you can, you can. Thanks for you videos. I just bought a gamo swarm whisper .22 cal, and don't want to spend money on junk pellets. My loader broke after 40 rounds, so gamo is sending me a new one free and a new magazine.
@John Green Mine really likes all but the pointed expanding in that Benjamin pack. It likes the Gamo red fire also. And the domed magnum from premiere. Seems like domed of most brands are working well.
I've been rewatching a lot of videos and have come to the conclusion that Gamo scopes and pellets really don't perform very well with higher recoil springer and gas ram airguns. They really work well with the Urban and on some of my Crosmans but so far it seems like everyone has had to replace the scopes and the pellets are not very accurate except with the PCP airguns.
@Ken Fan It does seem like pcp is the way to go for accuracy. Some people comment on the amazing groups they get with their Gamo but I can’t get the whisper or the magnum to do better than .5in at 30 yards. And that’s the best. Most pellets are an inch or more at 30. Fun to plink with but I believe I would opt for pcp if you plan to primarily hunt.
@@HuntShootLive Thanks for your prompt reply. By the way, I have been following your channel for about six months and really enjoy your content and have subscribed. I think your skull tests are very good and practical. Every hunter should always aim for a head shot in my opinion. And if you can't put a bullet or pellet right between the eyes, in an eye or ear, or at the base of the skull, then you should reconsider taking the shot. My first buck I took, blew off the front leg. My uncle and I had to follow the blood trail nearly 200 yards, if my memory is correct. That was a hard lesson to learn as a kid. The 12 gauge was just too much gun for me to handle, and even though I was dead on aiming for a double lung shot, something made it flinch just as I took the shot.
Actually, your results were pretty good. I don't have any problem admitting that you're a better shot than I am. Especially given the variety of pellets that you are using.
Unless I'm pesting rats, an inch or more isn't acceptable. No need to cause unnecessary pain or suffering. So you're right; pcp airguns are probably the best option for hunting. Besides, with a .22 there isn't really any need to take long shots past 30 or 40 yards. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I really want the Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen 2, but it might be too much gun for me, and with my old eyes I'm going to need to stay within 30 yards. In order to aim small miss small I first have to be able to see the target.
Just an fyi, there's a TH-cam channel called STKO which focuses on airguns and pellet accuracy. If you haven't checked the channel out you should. James recommends checking pellet skirts for defects, sizing them, and washing lead pellets in dishwashing liquid. He consistently gets really tight groups. He used to do a lot of various testing of different brands but seems to have settled on Crosman Premiers of various head types. Because of his advice I started doing the same and went out and bought a sleeve of Crosman Premeirs. I think you would enjoy the channel.
Stay Safe, Be Well, God Bless.
@Ken Fan Thank you for joining the HSL team. I’m pretty excited to get a doe during deer season and do the pellet test on a freshly killed deer. Should score one in a couple weeks! Thanks for the channel recommendation. Sounds like he sorts his stuff like we do for long range rifle shooting!
My Swarm loves the Crossman pointed at 20 yards...I can shoot 10 times and doing a dime size hole.. my buddies and I do squirrel hunting..only head shots count..only time there is a problem is when the squirrel decides to move..
Good shooting 👍
@Stephen Evans Thank you!
Nice video
@Eria Banda Thank you! Thanks for watching and for the comment.