Cutting Practice: Chinese vs. European Swords
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2019
- Swordsage brought a number of LK Chen swords to try out. They are reproductions of Han Dynasty (206 BCE-220 CE) designs. I was surprised by how light they felt, while retaining plenty of cutting power.
You can also see the difference in technique when cutting tatami mats. He learned sword handling through Chinese martial arts and utilizes somewhat different body mechanics than what I'm used to from my practice of HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts).
Definitely interesting, and a lot of fun!
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For the people watching, I feel I need to stress this: please don't view my cutting skills as high level. I haven't got nearly the amount of cutting practice that Skall has, and I was also trying to practice waist movement here instead of just plain having fun cutting targets, and it shows I'm still trying to get it right.
You're out there cutting dude. It was fun wasn't it? That's all that matters. Cool to finally see you cut some bottles. Well done!
You seem like a pretty chill dude! That's what I noticed about most HEMA practitioners!
You’re probably better than 99% of the viewers. I enjoyed it and will definitely be checking out your content from now on.
You did a great job.
I liked some of the techniques you did with the Dao, I uses to learn the forms under monks in He An China, youre moves with a little practice and a few lessons could be really good.
The guy at the Tatami store must get excited everytime he sees you enter.
Do you really think there is such thing as a Tatamiroll store where people see each others faces? xD
@@benjamindover2601 You must really think I am stupid : > that's fun ^.^
Kohlenstoffisotop12 you are stupid.
@@benjamindover2601 Thank you captain obvious
Tatami store owner: "Well, enjoy your hand-made tatami mats. Each one was carefully crafted to provide years of durability and comfort for your home."
Skall: "I'm gonna cut them all into pieces this afternoon."
Tatami store owner: "Not my mats, my beautiful mats!"
"Train every morning for twenty years... or grab a pitchfork and be very, very angry!" - Ming Fu
Gary the metrosexual fruitcake doesn't like it
@@invisiblefrenchguy9987 ...wut?
E R the protagonist of the “the Witcher” novels and games,Geralt of Rivia (also jokingly called Gary the metrosexual fruitcake) died due to being stabbed with a pitchfork
Dont forget to have bunch of very very angry friends...about 100k of them...
It was 100k vs 1 i got 2500
Swordsage genuinely looks like a video game character. I want a game with this man in it stat.
You're in luck, Guilty Gear's new title in 2020 has a new character who's a black cyborg samurai with dreads .
Leroy Smith from Tekken 7.
The sound of the Knecht cutting the bottle is.. is so goood
Begamer90 *ding*
And the mats also...it have something special
Yep. Still the best
Yeah was wondering. Why though? Is it the steel? Or the geometry?
What a beast of a sword this is. Skall laser-cut thru with no effort, using maybe sth like 20cm of the blade.
This video is essentially a Kensei Monk and a Battle Master Fighter comparing blades and I love it.
You sir just gave me and a friend an idea for our next characters
@@augmundfireweave5348 As a DM, I'm glad.
They make an awesome duo!
So glad I'm not alone in thinking it
-scratches chin- or better yet a battle master kensai
Swordsage's movement looks so fluid and fast. I like seeing him moves
What I love is his poste strike movements
Its like two kids having fun together, this video makes me happy hahaha, love it
Swordsage has very strange and interesting way of sword usage and all body mechanics, i would love to learn a bit more about all that chinese swordfighting
@Fight Fly Crow If you look closely you do see similarities with European saber when he uses the dao which is to be expected.
he has his own channel, subscribing, notification bell and watching are all free. :)
@Fight Fly Crow Mhm, the only thing is the dao doesn't have as much hand protection as a European saber which is why it is kept close to the body.
Nah
certainly skall looks more disciplined and economical in his movements. Tighter and with less over swing. But despite what it looks like sage is accurate and smooth. I do wonder, it seems like the chinese style is set up for a quick and aggressive win against an unarmoured opponent. Would that be accurate?
I finally get to see the infamous "Drunken German Form"
wait, is that an insider? I am german and im drunken all the time, but nothin here looks like me ( nor something i would/can do) :D
Ah yes the knect because swing sharp thing at bad guy win
very effective with a zweihander
Was this supposed to be funny?
going to be honest, we need more Chinese weapons with skall, they don't get enough air time
The Great Lemon would like a video comparing west and east fight styles, western tends to be more simplistic and pragmatic, while eastern often includes many movements and probably way harder to perform and punishes mistakes greatly
@@akezhantoleukhan2510 only kung fu movie styles the military styles are pretty straight forward block stab cut there is no fanciness on the battlefield if you would go fancy you be dead in a minute
Thoraral Oakenshield ok, may be I fell victim to media, but in terms of fist fights it still applies I think, like Kung-fu and boxing
They are obviously rubbish.
Where is the pommel?
Akezhan Toleukhan skall doesn’t have a lot of knowledge on eastern fighting styles
3:18 collateral damage in the tomato plant :D
And he did an obi-ani.
This move is called "Trim the tomatoes."
The sword flourish did look cool, but I hadn't noticed he cut the plant lol
I noticed this too. I was hoping to post a hilarious comment about it but I'm not funny...
Great video! Awesome to see swordsage and how he cuts.
Also, that laugh!
Lilililili
These past two videos with you two were a refreshing watch. Always fun to see swords in action, as well as their wielders having fun putting them in action. And learning more about Chinese weaponry was a fun surprise for my week. Good stuff, guys!
Swordsage is awesome. Never heard of him before but im very excited to go through his channel.
Ok, now you just need a bulldog, a vintage car and s sassy secretary and the saga of Skall and Sage, swords for hire, practically writes itself.
"Who the hell uses swords to do mercenary work, IN THE 21 CENTURY??"
"Very skilled swordsmans, obviously"
It would be really interesting to see Swordsage and yourself do some friendly fencing sparring
感谢你们的精彩演示！
Finally, I have been waiting for jian reviews on TH-cam so long, especially with cutting test like you two did over there. Definitely a delightful display to demonstrate them and really want to see more about Chinese weapons in ancient times.
我也希望有更多同胞来了解汉代刀剑与一千年后的中世纪欧洲剑器的区别及使用方法，它们确是各有各魅力和威力。
I'm always eager for Chinese history. Just a lack of English speaking sinologists. Only till recently they're ever so abundant after the announcement of totalwar three kingdoms.
surprisingly good autotranslate / google translate
@@jyt1682 可能就只有 DeepL 的机翻最准，但重点是中文是我的母语。
Sword sage definitely pulls back to give the blade a snapping motion making it rotate more near the wrist while skall pushes it forward rotating more near the elbows. You can see how their respective swords influence their movements
Can we get a "yes" counter?
no
We don't have that kind of budgeting here Buster.
More than 1, less than 1000.
Perhaps
I like how the Knecht makes a very distinct 'ting' sound when cutting.
You and swordsage make a good team ngl you both seem competent and knowledgeable about both your sides and looks like you two genuinely have fun. Have to see more!
finally got to watch it after days of my local medieval festival, you two are great to watch and listen to, when you're cutting and when you're talking. the two of you are an amazing duo, we definitely need more skallsage!
Watching the chemistry and you two go at it is such a joy to watch! Really am loving Swordsage+Skallagrim videos!
Nice to see you both enjoying yourself!
I love your echniques. So different, but yet so clean.
Swordsage´s moves look a bit different from yours. While you take your stance and follow with a smooth, powerful Looking cut, he seems to start his movement slowly and follows that with a very fast, whip-like movement. Interesting to see how the two martial styles have some differences, but both still work perfectly fine.
This makes me want to animate something
@@deathserpent9747 Go right ahead then. I´d love to see it, if you don´t mind
Katana: I’m the greatest cutting sword ever!!!!!
Jian: Hold my scabbard.
Nah, katana isn't actually that good at cutting. Watch Shadiversity video about why katana isn't actually a good sword.
And i think you misspelled Dao
@@Dandandandandandandandandanda1 shad never made that claim, he was giving his opinion that the curvature does not actually help with cutting which his analysis contains errors.
@@eagle162 Saying he has errors doesn't really help if you don't explain further. I though his video pretty well explained that basically the Katana was a product of available technology and what was working at the time. other weapons excell in different eras and purposes.
@@TGPDrunknHick been awhile since I seen the video but here goes.
1) fails to realize the curvature was for other purposes besides cutting such as helping with defecting blows, quick drawing the blade from a scabbard and helps to aligh the edge.
2) not realizing the katana has various degrees of curvature, like the koshi sori and curved hilts that further extends the curvature.
3) ignore other sugata such as shobu zukuri and such.
4) the various degrees of curvature mentioned before well it could also be straight (mu sori) kind of makes his arguments for a straight blade katana irrelevant.
4) talks about how the curvature interferes with stabbing, not really there are ways you can get a good stab from the blade such as holding it sideways or with the edge facing up, but even with holding the sword the normal way you can still stab with it by using your elbows a certain way basically stab with the curvature instead of stabbing straight like you would a longsword, also the curvature can help in moving your opponent's blade further away from you.
5) somebody pointed is out in the comments another problem is his wrist,he's not holding it properly so he's not seeing any benefits, don't know how true that is but I figure to bring it up.
6) goes on to say Katanas do not have much variety but they do here are some examples.
meiboku.info/guide/form/zukuri/index.htm meiboku.info/guide/form/kissaki/index.htm meiboku.info/guide/form/sori/index.htm
7) the crossguard argumen, he argues for a crossguard on the katana, but doesn't realize crossguards were a thing in Japan use it on weapons like yari pin.it/3zowbbe4uebnfr
Even some handheld weapons came with crossguards that was use in combination with a katana but were not use on the katana itself showing it was not necessary, also fails to realize the tsuba came in different shapes and sizes (some small, some quite large)
8) as for technology, the technology was fine it was not at all behind the west.
gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2018/02/iron-and-steel-technology-in-japanese.html?m=1
gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2018/04/iron-and-steel-technology-in-japanese.html?m=1
gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2019/01/iron-and-steel-technology-in-japanese.html?m=1
These videos must be a whole lot of editing every time with the slowmo clips. Thanks for putting in all the effort every time skall!
I love you Skallagrim. You are doing Chinese weaponry a service that I hope one day Chinese cultural organizations recognize you for. You look at cold hard facts, breaking both negative and positive stereotypes.
Also how can I forget to give a shout out to sword sage, the Junzi with dreads.
the knecht and han jian white arc are for sure my favourite one i need them
I wholeheartedly agree, I love how the Messer sings and the effortless cutting of the withe arc and to complete the trifecta the Liu Ye Dao, witch is just a beautiful sword.
Well good luck getting the Knecht; I don't think they make that one anymore, and even when they did it was stupendously expensive.
Then again, the Messer isn't such an uncommon weapon, maybe you can get one from another manufacturer - although you probably won't get the same level of quality on a cheaper one.
@@Kr0noZ
I think Landsknecht Emporium has got a decent one for 900€.
The Knecht was about 1700$ xd
Wow that was one of my favorite videos you have ever posted! Love the light heartedness you both and and the fact that you two were having fun! More videos like this please :)
Hey, I love your cutting/testing videos. They are always entertaining and oddly calming (I have high anxiety so this is a big deal.) Keep doing what you're doing, thank you so much for your videos!
3:17 Swordsage trimming the bushes using ancient Chinese martial art
The white arc is absolutely beautiful when it cuts
People that train with swords or bladed weapons understand the practice and the difficulty in the sheer simplicity but effective use of those specific techniques you both displayed. I enjoyed seeing the differences in both your styles and appreciate the practice that's gone into perfecting them. Great vid.
I think the public deserves to see a Skall vs Sage sparring match
I agree
Forget drunken fist. Swordsage might become the master of the Drunken Blade at this rate!
I would love 2 hours of just hearing the background music, and these two slicing through mats.
Definitely enjoyed seeing both of you guys having a good time.
You two are killing it. Really good reaction and cutting. You sure know your swords. Very nice technique. I am impressed by how clean the cuts are. The bottles are still left standing, that is no easy feat. Excellent !
You gotta do more stuff with him, you guys do a great duo
Those Chinese swords cut like lightsabers.
Great for flesh, bad for armor
Kono Ichiban late, I know, but the tip was pretty optimized for the type of armor the Chinese would’ve face off against
I see this was a very entertaining video to make, you guys really look like you had a blast.
These last two collaboration videos are excellent, and I like how you separated the discussion video from the testing video. There aren't many actual direct comparison videos out there that don't seem to favor one side or the other and these have been, for lack of a better term, refreshingly informative.
Interesting to see how swordsage seems to rotate mainly from the hips, vs skall rotating from knees and waist.
At least that's what it looks like to me
I like how Sword Sage takes up a stance after each cut, like he’s ready for the tatami mat to strike back.
Seeing you two, joyfully and enthusiastically sharing your hobby with each other and us, is genuinely heartwarming. Skall explaining how to use a Messer and Sage playing along was particularly brilliant and hilarious. Dude could easily be an actor.
Great video! Loved the enthusiasm and how it felt as fun to watch as I bet it was to make
Thé last few cut really clean. Starting from the 3th or 4th sword.
threeth? threeth. No... thirth? Hmmm.
I would like to do testcutting like this by myself, but good swords are so damn expensive...
And I also never tried it before.
Condor has excellent budget swords
@@montebarnes3021
Are they available in Germany?
They should be. I'm in the USA. So I do not know the laws there. I'm thinking you could go off of their website.
Windlass scimitar is good. Watch some of skall’s budget sword videos
@@montebarnes3021
The laws aren't a problem, but I don't want to order from Kult of Athena because the import fees are pretty high.
I've to search for a german shop.
So cool seeing you two together.
I’ve been watching long enough that I can tell when edge alignment is off! That may not be much, but it’s significant to me! Keep up the quality content, Skallagrim, I feel like I’m learning.
I'd definitely want skall and swordsage in my cavalry
I like that dude. Have him on more often.
Very interesting to see even while wielding different style blades from what you both normally use, you used the techniques with what you are familiar with, it was amazing to see swordsage using Chinese blocks with European swords
You guys are having a great time,too much fun,!!!
Be glad you're here in the city and not out in Riverwood. Those poor sods don't even have a WALL.
man i just love chinese swords, they are just so beautiful, and not saying that just cuz i chinese.
Same I am Russian and Danish, but i absolutely love Chinese swords. elegant and beautiful.
很漂亮！
Agreed
@@-Zevin- elegant is every correct, in the old old day lots people carry sword to show their social status in China, think like rich man with a golden gun in town.
I've always loved the Song period polearms.
Well... aside from that poisoned tree-branch thing they tried using. XD
I like the cut tests, they’re always so fun to watch!
Great video skall I really enjoyed this cutting session
RIP tatami mats.
Swordsages precision ... WOW
This two Sage & Skall "Crossover" Videos are absolute great and interessting! Please more of them
I loved how swordsage used a lot of body moviment, it shows some differences between European and Chinese sword techniques
I loved seeing the Dao! Where my Tiandi mains at?
Shu wo yi dao!
NI YI BAI YI
"im not used to this lenght" mmmh are you, tho?
The most satisfying episode yet. Awsome cuts in this one
I've said it before, and I'll say it again! I'm absolutely in LOVE with the kriegsmesser! The way the steel sings as it glides through a target! Wonderful!
I read it "Cutting Cheese with European sword" and was way more interested
Cheese might be good cutting practice targets, given their weird variation in density.
cutting cheese without a sword?
That sword with white grip was soo wtf
They were used more for thrusts than for cuts historically I believe.
I enjoyed the fact it seemed like you two had fun with this, lol.
You can hear the excitement in y'all. Glad you guys had fun.
I hope you can make a full review on the white arc, seems like a bargain at 260USD
How do u know it's that price? Can u provide a link? That one was pretty awesome.
@@CosmicG777 Here's the link: lkchensword.com/white-arc
It’s gone up to $370 now.......This stupid freaking super virus!
3:18 He trimmed the plants behind him lol you can tell that's a sharp sword
Pretty cool swords and cool to show all the different techniques for cutting
Swordsage, you still manage to look like poetry in motion, even when you didn't make it all the way through. I'm definitely putting your channel on my to-watch list.
I'll always be jealous of that Gallowglass.
You also want to be held by Skall?
@@Tyler-hk4wo, well, certainly not in a gay way, winkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwink.
4:33 op need patch
Mortal Strike
Wow, seems like you guys are really having fun :)
Awesome collaboration. I love this madness.
Oh my, some cuts are just insanely TASTY!
Maybe Skall should consider making some sword cutting ASMR videos.
Tfw he brought the gallowglass up to his neck as if it were a 1 edged sword. Eek.
It looked like you guys were having a blast!
There’s something incredibly satisfying about seeing a blade slice through a mat effortlessly in slow motion.
That poor tomatoplant D:
Think of all the cutting Skal can do in his own backyard 😇
rlly enjoying the collab vids
It's heart warming for me to see martial artists coming together and getting to experience and exchange knowledge like this. Bonus points to feeling like kids in a candy store.
No pommel throwing?
Imagine how many lives would have been saved if chinese products back then had the same quality as they do today :D
"ATTAAACK!" *Guy slashes, the enemy parries, both swords bend like noodles* "Well this is awkward, let me just... *Guy pulls out dagger. Grip falls apart, blade stuck in scabbard* Good old fisticuffs it is!
Then as the armor rips from the soldiers from them moving, and their shoes falling apart after 5 steps, they all decide to go home.
many Chinese products also have fairly good quality tho
If you paid a dollar for quality. I think you're just cheap. Everything that is good about a product is made in China. Everything terrible is also made there. It all depends on how much you're willing to spend.
I loved this truly a mix of tecniques is far more interesting than I could have thought
You can tell you guys had so much fun together practising cuts and sharing knowledge & experience, it was a really fun/enjoyable video to watch. The only downside to this is that Tatami mats are now so rare, only the wealthiest people in society can afford them lol.
6:20 Landsknecht assaulting innocent serf, 1522
Assault? Pretty sure he's dead mate XD
I am 3rd in my box so 3rd
Now to my comment.
KRIEGSMESSER
I wasn't into this stuff before I found Skallagrims channel. Seeing how passionate he is about this stuff is what has sparked my interest.
Arrrrrgh!!! You guys are killing me! The more I see those LKChen blades at work, the more I want them all!
Maybe I should throw some of the stimulus check their way...
It's neat seeing the differences in how they each cut, even when using the same weapon. Different training, different muscle memory, etc.
Love these collabs
Fantastic! Swordmage's swords cut way better than I expected!
I'm loving these collabs with Swordsage, you guys are 2 peas in a pod! 2 very deadly peas...