pretty little liars & beyond: unpacking student-teacher “romances” in teen TV & YA books

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ย. 2024

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  • @rayareadzzzz
    @rayareadzzzz  28 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    please be aware that this video discusses themes of grooming, manipulation, sa, predatory behaviour & statutory 🍇
    & it contains spoilers for Riverdale Season 1, the entirety of Pretty Little Liars, Gossip Girl Season 2, The O.C. Season 3, Gilmore Girls Season 4, One Tree Hill Season 4, Dawson's Creek Season 1, Friends Season 6, Life Unexpected Season 2, Cruel Summer Season 1
    📚 as well as spoilers for Gothikana by RuNyx, Slammed by Colleen Hoover, Zodiac Academy series by Caroline Peckham & Susanne Valenti
    everything is time stamped, so hopefully it’s easier to navigate in case you wanna avoid any specific show/book discussion
    xx

  • @Evelyn_Okay
    @Evelyn_Okay 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    At my university at the time, there's was a outspoken rumor that several male professors would fail their pretty students on purpose just so they'd have to "earn extra credit." In a private meeting. In their office. After school hours. 🤢🤮

    • @SammyLammy1D
      @SammyLammy1D 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      That's disgusting. At my uni (and most in my country) we use anonymous codes for exams and papers to avoid... not only that but favouritism and unequal treatment in general. It is not perfect, but I would argue that it helps somewhat.

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      :/

  • @lame-bj2nq
    @lame-bj2nq 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    My great grandma was born in 1921 and i lived with her throughout the 2010s she taught me a lot, one thing i remember very clearly is that she said it absolutely was not a "part of the time" for an adult to have any kind of relationship with a child. that ofc there were some people that did it but they were either shunned, "disappeared" (she was implying the good moral people would MAKE the p3dos disappear lol) or moved away to lie about their child brides age. but anyway if people have known since before the 20s then why was stuff like this being made? like literally the public did not want it. idk how or why stuff like this gets made. really when you say "oh yeah there's this great show but there's a sub plot with one of the children being sa-ed by an adult for seasons while he grooms the parents too" it just sounds so irredeemable lmao how on earth did this ever get the okay so many times that it was made and then released. we definitely knew in the 2000s this was bad, i remember girls saying it was good except the p3do parts. i think it says more about the people that made it than the time period.

  • @Kriseaf
    @Kriseaf 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    OMG, I forgot Life Unexpected existed, that was a flashback. Yikes.
    Re: Gothikana, I'm still completely convinced that it was originally written as a high school teacher-student romance, but was aged up before self-publishing. If you read it with that perspective, a bunch of WTF decisions start making more sense.

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      life unexpected was something else

  • @SammyLammy1D
    @SammyLammy1D 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This one was a trope I had a problem with already in middle school. I obviously couldn't really explain why or how it made me uncomfortable, but I especially remember how most of my friends watched PLL and really shipped the teacher and student... and I just kind of felt icky and weird. Even as a 10 year old.
    But the worst thing is, I talked to a classmate of mine (in uni) who has worked as a teacher before, and we talked about if you as a teacher start dating your former student. Let's say a year after they end your classes (talking high school, not university curses) and he said that should be fine. And I just... I do not agree. Because, at least were I am, you have the same teachers for at least 2 years, sometimes 3 years of high school, and to then a year later (when the former student is 19/20) try and pursue them.... it just gives me the ick.

  • @muskaan3711
    @muskaan3711 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I thought movies were done with this trope till I found out about Miller's Girl 🤢

    • @lame-bj2nq
      @lame-bj2nq 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i haven't seen it but i was HOPING, AT LEAST it would be like lolita where the whole point is to show how p3dos will spin any innocent interaction into the victim flirting ect. but no i don't think it is.

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      oh i completely forgot about that one

  • @agneseditsstuff
    @agneseditsstuff 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I got recommended this and I loved it. So interesting and you are so well-spoken, great job on the video!

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      thank you for watching! 🫶🏻☺️

  • @hazelm3002
    @hazelm3002 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In pll it turned out that Ezra actually knew who aria was when they first met, but I don’t think the writers initially planned for that reveal

  • @violetbickerton3840
    @violetbickerton3840 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Listen the love hypothesis is my guilty pleasure comfort read so I do overlook the flaws but (for once) I feel the student/teacher thing was done well which isn't easy.

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i think it’a fine either way since it’s an adult romance :)

    • @hazelm3002
      @hazelm3002 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah plus Adam was not Oliver’s teacher and worked in a different department

  • @lilyann1567
    @lilyann1567 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jesus loves you:)

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      thanks, it’s not mutual :)