The Mistress Who Changed England's Religion | Anne Boleyn | Henry VIII's Second Wife

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  • Anne Boleyn is famously not only Henry VIII's second wife, but also the woman who was seen as responsible for breaking the king's first marriage, splitting England into a religious divide, and also for being the mother of one of the country's greatest monarchs, Elizabeth I. This video looks at her life, her marriage and relationship with Henry, and her downfall....
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  • @Kimberly-ul5ky
    @Kimberly-ul5ky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    Home wrecker? Seriously? 🙄 Henry VIII wrecked his own home.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Agreed, and I make that very clear in the video!

    • @leeannproctor2966
      @leeannproctor2966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Henry won't have any woman in the afterlife if that makes you feel better to know.

    • @smithamy1982
      @smithamy1982 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Agreed 💯 Anne tried to get away from the king and was actually in love with Henry Percy but was blocked from marrying him by Wolsey, acting on the kings orders. She refused to be his mistress like her sister and would only give in if they were married. She never thought he would actually divorce his wife. If not Anne, another would have taken Katherine's place bc she was barren and King Henry VIII still didn't have a male heir. Since Anne refused to be a whore, she is labeled as a homewrecker by people throughout history who don't understand her position, including this poster, obviously.

    • @EmilyGloeggler7984
      @EmilyGloeggler7984 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Henry would have been wise to never marry Catherine of Aragon.

    • @nirmalakumari4628
      @nirmalakumari4628 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@EmilyGloeggler7984another toxic anne fan hating on catherine wow f yourself

  • @leeannproctor
    @leeannproctor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

    Anne Boleyn didn't have clean hands but henry viii was twice as worse and betrayed Anne brutally.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      This is a really good way of putting it. Neither were blameless, but Henry definitely could take the bulk of the blame.

    • @LoriFry-os5hu
      @LoriFry-os5hu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistorysForgottenPeoplethe only way I r

    • @deborahproctor9538
      @deborahproctor9538 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Her hands were clean.

    • @jeng2336
      @jeng2336 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Mistress? She thought more of herself.
      Homewrecker? Henry was the one married. She wanted to marry Thomas Percy and was not allowed.

    • @CaptainChapin
      @CaptainChapin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I love how y’all always bring up the man whenever it comes to women taking accountability for their bad behavior

  • @helpinyerdasellavon
    @helpinyerdasellavon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Wonderful historical content on Anne Boleyn who is often portrayed as a bad person by the entertainment industry and literature. She was not an angel but not a villain either, she was only a human being with her flaws and traits, a product of her times, her upbringing and complex circumstances at the Tudor Court. King Henry VIII had the urge to get rid of her quickly after her failure to provide the king with a male heir in order to marry Jane Seymour. Thank you for this insightful, eloquent and well documented video 🙏🏻💕👑

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Thank you so much for your lovely comment, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 And I agree with what you said about Anne as a 'human being'. I think that often gets forgotten, and she is treated as the 'evil' wife, especially as it seems to be conveniently forgotten that Henry was the one who instigated everything!

    • @helpinyerdasellavon
      @helpinyerdasellavon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople exactly! It was the 16th century where women depended on men within their families completely, also the Church as the main institutional authority back then. You did a wonderful job 💖

    • @taupenoire1933
      @taupenoire1933 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@HistorysForgottenPeopleHello Miranda an extensive content about Ann's parents Thomas and Elizabeth Boleyn would be great

    • @leeannproctor
      @leeannproctor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Will you do a segment on her brother george.

  • @EmilyGloeggler7984
    @EmilyGloeggler7984 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Anne started off quite promisingly but her giving into an adulterer and worse abusing and mistreating his child by his wife is what makes her into an awful person. I think Anne would have been happier marrying another unengaged man who genuinely loved her. Sadly, she never got that. What Henry did to her is however disgusting and brutal.

    • @AnnaLee33
      @AnnaLee33 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @EmilyGloeggler, I understand your thoughts, but back then, a woman couldn't really say No to a King, leave alone to her father and other male family members, who put pressure on her to marry the King. So that makes THEM awful persons, and not to forget King Henry, who actively pursued her, whilst being married, whereas she held him in a distance, having learned from her sisters fate, whom he tired of and dumped. It's all too easy to blame only the woman, but not the men, who participated.

    • @EmilyGloeggler7984
      @EmilyGloeggler7984 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AnnaLee33Their tragedies we can learn to avoid, if given the opportunities.

    • @agwarddd
      @agwarddd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      In what way did she abuse or mistreat Mary? Through the story, it seems that Anne, herself, did her best to make amends with Mary, and it was Henry who had her sent away and stripped of her titles. The greatest of crimes appears to be the use of yellow during the mourning of Catherine of Aragon, but this and all of the festivities would’ve been Henry’s doing, to which she’d have no space to refuse, anyway. It continues to prove bothersome that this devout, philanthropic and complex woman is continually villainised for poorly understood reasons, when it is known that her history lay in the hands of the men who put her to death. If Henry is the evil of the English monarchy, why do we simply accept the alleged evils of Anne Boleyn that he spoke into existence?

    • @leeannproctor2966
      @leeannproctor2966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Her amends to Mary came after she learned her life was in danger.

    • @agwarddd
      @agwarddd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@leeannproctor2966 so what would making amends with Mary achieve there? Mary was completely out of favour with Henry until he married Jane Seymour and her position in court favoyr was gone all the way until her ascension after the deposing of Lady Jane Grey. Making amends with Mary because her life was in danger would’ve done her really no good, at all. At best, it would’ve made the public more fond of her, but popular opinion meant nothing to Henry, so as a political move, it remains void.

  • @LanaWarzynski
    @LanaWarzynski 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I cant even imagine me kneeling knowing my head is gonna be cut off.....just crazy!?.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It is terrifying to think about. I must admit I often wonder about what kind of mindset someone had to be in to calmly walk up to a block to allow it to happen - I suppose they had a very strong faith in religion which probably helped.

  • @OfficeSpace2909
    @OfficeSpace2909 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    I think Anne Boleyn was a woman who was placed in a very precarious situation the moment King Henry VIII started to have an interest in her. Being a subject of the king meant that Anne couldn’t just tell the king to go away and her sister, Mary Boleyn , was the mistress of the king. The moment King Henry lost interest in Mary, he discarded her just as easily as he fell for Mary Boleyn. Understandably, Anne had no desire to suffer the same fate as her sister, so it is probable that she decided to use the resources that were within her reach, notably having the king’s undivided attention, to her advantage. I personally think that Anne, being a smart and charismatic woman, found her position of being King Henry’s wife and queen as being quite alluring, not to mention the pressure from her relations like the Boleyn’s and the Howard’s from her maternal side. When Anne became queen, her relations with King Henry were positive, however, after she gave birth to her daughter, the then future Queen Elizabeth I, the stillbirth of a male baby and the issues regarding the monasteries with Cromwell, her fate was sealed. Henry VIII and his chief minister, Thomas Cromwell, devised a plan to arbitrarily remove Anne from her status as queen and wife of the king. At the same time, Henry VIII was romantically involved with one of Anne’s ladies-in-waiting, Jane Seymour. Needless to say that after Anne was charged under trumped up charges and then executed at tower, King Henry VIII and Jane were married. In conclusion, I see Anne as a woman who, while by no means innocent in her pursuit of power while being in a relationship with a then married Henry, as a person who had very limited options to aid her at the Henrician court. I also think that Anne Boleyn’s daughter, Elizabeth I, learned from her mother’s mistakes regarding to being at the mercy of men with power.
    P.S.-Both Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleves had powerful relations on the continent. One having the Holy Roman Emperor as a nephew and the other being part of the Protestant league of the German northern states.

    • @leeannproctor
      @leeannproctor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I consider Anne of cleves the lucky one.

    • @OfficeSpace2909
      @OfficeSpace2909 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@leeannproctor Without a doubt, Anne of Cleves got the best outcome out of all of Henry’s six wives. Not only did she get to keep her life as a foreign born princess, but also became an independently wealthy woman, which was a rarity at that time, in her own right.
      She also outlived Henry VIII, Catherine Howard (who was executed by the king for adultery), and Katherine Parr, the last wife of King Henry. Not bad for a woman of 16th century England.

    • @areiaaphrodite
      @areiaaphrodite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      To be fair, I would rather be discarded by a narcissist and go one to marry someone who actually loved me than lose my head and have my child grow up without a mother. Anne may not want to have ended up like her sister, but Mary turned out to be the one to survive all of her siblings and outlive everyone of her entire family. Mary inevitably was the smart one. If Mary hadn't had thr good sense to leave well enough alone, I wouldn't exist today since she's my ancestor.

    • @areiaaphrodite
      @areiaaphrodite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      1. I don't think it ever even occurred to Henry yo try to execute Katherine of Aragon, no matter who her relatives were. Before Anne Boleyn, a sitting Queen being executed by her husband was almost unheard of. Even if they were unfaithful or needed to be removed from the picture, they were usually sent to convents and nunneries, not the executioners block. Katherine was born royal, Anne was born English, and therefore Henry's subject no matter what. Furthermore, Henry charged Anne with treason, which usually was an offence punishable by death. Katherine was never charged with treason. As for Anne of Cleaves, I think thr deterant of Anne Boleyn's execution was enough for her to not put up a fight. Another smart choice.
      2. Please don't beatify this woman. She's not a Saint and neither was she innocent. She was a victim of her husband, but also of her own doing as well.

    • @areiaaphrodite
      @areiaaphrodite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @user-fg9xz4bz3b Henry VIII, it's unknown because Mary's children have never been DNA tested to see if one, both or neither were fathered by Henry, but I definitely am a descendant of Mary Boleyn through both of her children, Catherine and Henry.
      I'm actually a descendant of Edward I Longshanks, Mary Boleyn, and Charles II through my mother. Through my father, a descendant of Genghis Khan.

  • @AnnaLee33
    @AnnaLee33 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Jane Seymour got some bad karma for the adultery with a married King. So did Anne Boleyn.

    • @CWG-op9td
      @CWG-op9td 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Jane Seymour was a cold schemer while Anne tried her best to get away from Henry

  • @gonefishing167
    @gonefishing167 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I’ve always been a Katherine of Aragon person myself but what happened to Anne was cruel. I think some of her unkindness to Katherine came from a place of fear and uncertainty 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      People definitely sit more on one side or the other with Catherine and Anne! I'm more on Catherine's side as well, but as you point out, there's definitely sympathy to be had for Anne considering how she went out. And I think you're right about her unkindness to Catherine as well; she certainly was manipulative, but she must have also feared what might happen if Catherine convinced Henry to leave their marriage as it was.

    • @DennisHurst-f2q
      @DennisHurst-f2q 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    • @wengercleopatra2150
      @wengercleopatra2150 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I feel the same way. Katharine was definitely the rightful queen but what happened to Anne was horrendous.

  • @calliecrider2475
    @calliecrider2475 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I mean, if we’re going to be entirely fair to everybody, Henry didn’t want to marry Catherine of Aragon to begin with. He fought it for a long time until he was forced to marry her.

    • @leeannproctor
      @leeannproctor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I'm sorry but you got those facts all wrong.

  • @Jerseyboondocks
    @Jerseyboondocks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    You are a great narrator, thank you. I love to listen

  • @BrandiRayburn
    @BrandiRayburn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    incredible incredible historical content on anne boleyn who is often portrayed as a really bad person, as this incredibly evil woman by the entertainment industry and literature. she was not an angel and she wasn't a saint but not a villain either,she was a human being with her flaws and characteristics and traits a product of her times, her upbringing and complex circumstances at the tudor court. she wasn't evil she wasn't perfect she was human.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺And you're right, Anne was just a human being with good and bad, but it's funny how she gets so polarised in our modern view of her.

    • @leeannproctor2966
      @leeannproctor2966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Didn't know that Henry hated writing till this video.

    • @lindaarrington9397
      @lindaarrington9397 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree
      But it was her father that put her in the path of the king and sealed her fate
      And death

  • @NobleLady2024
    @NobleLady2024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Henry VIII could have just exiled Queen Anne and her brother. He didn’t have to have them murdered.

    • @leeannproctor2966
      @leeannproctor2966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      After what he went through with catherine of aragon murder seemed simple.

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And he could have exiled Wolsey, Moore, Cromwell, Catherine Howard and so many others. The truth of the matter is he saw all English life as expendable besides his own. I'm still shocked Elizabeth made it out alive. Mary had powerful friends in the continent and Elizabeth had no one. He was a terrible king.

    • @smithamy1982
      @smithamy1982 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Cromwell made sure she was found guilty of not just having an affair but also having an incestuous affair with her brother. That was treason which had to end in their death.

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@smithamy1982 Fracking Cromwell. That man was an enigma. Equally kind and cruel. I like Wolf Hall's interpretation of him that he had a great plot of destroying Anne because of Wolsey's treatment. But in reality I think he was just scared for his own neck and was threatened by Anne. But who knows? Barely any personal letters or documentation exist that show his mind, which was probably intentional.

  • @sharonminer9350
    @sharonminer9350 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I've always wondered what would have happened to Anne if she had given Henry a son or two

  • @debisybesma5855
    @debisybesma5855 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    up until i saw "the other boleyn girl...." i knew nothing about english history other than "henry the 8th by herman's hermits" from many many moons ago. it was a song that could drive you nuts!!! hearing it 100 times a day!! so to see the movie and realize henry the 8th was a real person, sent me on an interest in "the history" of it all and what a history it is!!! i love english history as it goes back soooo far AND is documented in so many ways including clothes and costumes of the day STILL wrapped in paper and handled with gloves. i love how they value CENTURIES of the history/documentation that can never be replaced.

    • @rebeccablackburn9487
      @rebeccablackburn9487 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And now that you saw "The other Boleyn girl" you still don't know that much! It's horribly inaccurate!!!

    • @agwarddd
      @agwarddd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rebeccablackburn9487 the book and movie are a hideous piece of revisionist trash, playing into a myriad of misogynistic tropes for the sake of drama, villainising a great woman for no other reason than presenting her sister as a feminine ideal.

    • @Cunning.Stunt7
      @Cunning.Stunt7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Well I didn't come away thinking this post, declared she learned tudor history from "The other Boleyn girl" she simply stated, it ignited her intrigue to learn.
      Miss moody bollox!

    • @lauriewarner4848
      @lauriewarner4848 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can totally relate. Being a young Yank at a certain time, I too listened to the song growing up, have read the Book, and watched Hollywood’ s version on history. What started my fire burning on this story in history was The Tutors. Now I find it very interesting to read and listen to actual historical facts. There is so much to know.

    • @lauriewarner4848
      @lauriewarner4848 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @rebecc.., a little harsh of a comment. I think you missed her point. You might want to lighten up, and not be so toffee nosed….

  • @areiaaphrodite
    @areiaaphrodite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I'm not goings to sugar-coat anything here. I despise Anne Boleyn, and the fact that I'm her relationship from being a descendant of her sister, Mary, makes no difference to me. I think the way she treated Katherine of Aragon and Mary was despicable. They were two innocent women who did nothing to her yet didn't care much what happened to them as long as it meant Anne getting what she wanted. She even gave instructions for Mary to be physically struck if she'd make any claims defending her mother or her parents' marriage while working in Elizabeth's household, which makes Anne come off as just cruel and a wicked stepmother.
    Furthermore, despite my feelings, I dont think Anne deserved to die the way she did, yet I can't help but think that it's rather ironic. She built up Henry and his ego so high it enabled the egotistical narcissist he already was into becoming an even bigger monster, and got herself tangled in the web she, herself, had woven. It's sad.
    As they say: "How you get them is how you lose them."

    • @wengercleopatra2150
      @wengercleopatra2150 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I despise her too, I hate her so much I hope Jesus didn’t go to the cross for her.

    • @maxalvarest3860
      @maxalvarest3860 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same

  • @SSRT_JubyDuby8742
    @SSRT_JubyDuby8742 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    He was always a tyrant.
    Another terrible waste of life to serve a man's ego 😞.
    Like deployed 👍

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      THIS! People always have discussions over which wife was the worst or best one, and actually we should just project all venom (even 500 years later lol) to Henry, as he was the instigator of the entire mess!

    • @leeannproctor2966
      @leeannproctor2966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@HistorysForgottenPeople I've never let henry off the hook. I consider him in the top 5 worse kings of England.

  • @peterkavanagh498
    @peterkavanagh498 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    In my opinion Henry was one of the worst people who ever lived. Having a cook dropped into boiling water (several times over to maximise the agony) was by itself alone enough to warrant this assessment of Henry, even if one ignores the close to one hundred thousand other people he killed. His many victims included, infamously, two of his wives (one of whom was little more than a child) and his aunty who was horrifically butchered. Henry even kept attending daily Mass after he made it illegal for the rest of the country!

  • @hollyoconnor2745
    @hollyoconnor2745 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    For a long time I used to hate Anne Boleyn because she wrecked the marriage of Catherine of Aragon and Henry the VIII and also because of the mistreatment of their daughter; Mary. I even called her a whore and a witch because of those events that took place. But now that I know more about her, I feel sorry and bad about her. Anne deserved far better treatment than what she had deserved. After all, she was the mother of one of England's greatest queens; Elizabeth I.

  • @LindaMeade
    @LindaMeade 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Henry knew that the charges were bogus.

    • @Justice-ef9sk
      @Justice-ef9sk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Of course he did. He just rationalized them, so he could marry Jane.

    • @leeannproctor2966
      @leeannproctor2966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Henry was so narcissistic that he believed he had the right to get what he wanted.

  • @justinehelene4831
    @justinehelene4831 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Tiny add on to the intro: Her father was just a knight despite being very wealthy and well married and talented polititian, but he was not noble. He wasn't made an Earl until Anne was high in favour. Which is why she was looked down upon more. As when she was coming up she was the daughter of a knight and diplomat.
    Though the video does go on to talk about this a bit.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You're right, I should have put a bit more about that - thank you for reminding me! 😊

    • @pimoussettte
      @pimoussettte 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Anne s mother was the daughter of Thomas Howard, 2d duke of Norfolk, not so bad!

    • @smithamy1982
      @smithamy1982 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Her father was an ambassador, which helped her get placed in the French court as a lady in waiting.

  • @remartarellano1907
    @remartarellano1907 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    How could you say she's a homewrecker the one responsible for all of these is king Henry viii he's aftering for a make heir jumping for one relationship to another so sorry for the ladies he falls on his trap ..

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not calling her a homewrecker personally, but these are all things Anne has become labelled with.

  • @gwendolynrainbolt3849
    @gwendolynrainbolt3849 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    about Catherin of Aragon and how she died? the black heart. i think it might have been a broken heart. poor girl.

    • @Justice-ef9sk
      @Justice-ef9sk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Honestly, I think it was cancer. But they didn’t know that back then. I left a similar comment regarding sweating sickness. What was it? Cholera or maybe typhoid?

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Justice-ef9skIt was a devastating virus. I forget the exact name of the virus, (H something with some numbers lol) but it was kind of like super Covid. Killed sometimes in hours when the fever finally set in. It's something that we finally achieved herd immunity against. I was watching the Tudors the other day and got curious. Gotta love Google lol.

  • @paulinewayland713
    @paulinewayland713 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Anne didn't change englands religion, it was Henry's doing, so that he could divorce Kathetine

    • @franm.8343
      @franm.8343 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And because he was a spendthrift, Henry was becoming short of money. In creating himself as Head of the Church in England, he was able to abolish and destroy the monasteries, some of which were spectacularly wealthy. Then he got his hands on their great wealth.

    • @EllenYoung-q3p
      @EllenYoung-q3p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Anne was certainly the catalyst for Henry's determination to divorce or annul his marriage to Katharine of Aragon. He met tremendous, unexpected, resistance from the Pope. The rest is history. Regarding the monasteries, Cromwell was the architect of that travesty which Henry was all to eager to take part in.

  • @hollyh314
    @hollyh314 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Stumbled upon your video and happy I did. I love anything Tudor!!

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, I hope you enjoyed it! 😊

    • @LanaWarzynski
      @LanaWarzynski 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too Ive seen all the other videos on Ann Boleyn I needed something new

    • @leeannproctor
      @leeannproctor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I take it Jane Seymour is next.

  • @mrsvickigriffin
    @mrsvickigriffin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A desperate man for a heir. Anne had she only had been a mistress would have faired far better. But a grasping family pushed her to her end

  • @Peaches_H_Nyce
    @Peaches_H_Nyce 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This moment in time never gets old to hear. I appreciate the narrator's light snark

  • @COBO2
    @COBO2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I always thought that she pushed into becoming a queen and had no choice but to marry Henry.

  • @lauriewarner4848
    @lauriewarner4848 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you. Such an informative narration with much researched historical facts.

  • @deborahbrottmiller2948
    @deborahbrottmiller2948 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Love your show-your graphics are beautiful. Thanks

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them. ☺

    • @leeannproctor
      @leeannproctor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I do enjoy the pictures of the places they stayed at.

  • @altinaykor364
    @altinaykor364 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    For me, Anne is neither schemer or inherently a horrible person (or any other nonsense history has put about her in centuries) but rather a tragic woman, both on social and spiritual definition
    from the grand view, we can already notice that Anne, wasn't a typical 16th century woman who from the birth, has learned to be selfless and obedient and...she's a bit more of a modern woman, ready to fight for her right, stand up for what she believed, even if it seemed monstrous for those times, and although she was pious but not exactly a fanatical religious and unlike Catherine and other women of her time, wasn't exactly taking all of those religious roles seriously (same can be said about Catherine's older sister, Juana as well, ironic) and the kind of life Anne had was extraordinary, not just because of Henry. being the daughter of a diplomat, meeting so many important figures of her time, being such a popular woman in Europe in her teenage years. knowing all of this, we can already see how much potentials she had. but there came the matter of her marriage. She truly did love Percy and it didn't work out, then Henry started clinging to her, which at first all of us, including her could imagine will end someday and Henry would be bored of her rejections and leave eventually, but it didn't happen and I like to blame that part on Catherine no longer being able to be pregnant, something at the time Henry really needed her to be. and that creates this belief in me that even if Anne was lucky and wasn't in England at the time and instead some other religious stubborn girl would caught Henry's eyes, he would eventually snap and try to abandon Catherine, and his excuse just had to be Anne! and since rumors about her and Henry had already spread, it was obvious that she could no longer hope for a marriage, a good one at least, could not only no one would trust her, but they would fear king's wrath as well! so we can see Anne at that point had no one but Henry and a pressuring family, but as I said she wasn't a typical 16th century girl and would fight for her right, wouldn't sacrifice herself for happiness of those she doesn't even know and probably won't care for her, either! and the fact that she had the courage to make Henry fight for her for years, is admiring! all of this and seduction of Henry, caused her to set foot in his messed up world completely, which caused so many to turn against her! and no wonder she started losing it as years progressed! especially since situations turned worse after Elizabeth's birth and Henry moving away from her. I also believe that she was extremely envious of Catherine (who wouldn't? not only she was popular, but the fact that Anne never had the kind of happiness with Henry, the way Catherine once had) and that jealousy just increased her fear, rejection of Mary (both Marys) and people despite everything she did to gain their respect, and her downfall and her court which you should hear more of its details, cause it was a really terrifying court, which truly broke her and thinking that all of it happened because Henry wanted to get rid of her. and ultimately I believe she's a woman which Henry ruined, in all ways imaginable and was flesh and blood presentation of her demon.
    however, putting all of this aside, I believe she and Henry had a positive effect on the future, even though their ways went radical, but still the effect they had on England, reformation and...(you know) saved England from suffering the same fate which France did, two centuries later. by being freed from the catholic church, they were free from the taxes as well and people could at least keep that amount of money for themselves and freemasons had much less excuses to turn radical in England.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I think you're absolutely right in that Anne wasn't 'typical' for her time, and certainly that's probably one of the main reasons Henry VIII fell for her. And you make a good point about Anne's fear over the future probably being heightened by her jealousy of Catherine, which as you point out, she almost certainly had. Anne will have realised fairly early on that she was never going to win over the heart and minds of the entire country the way Catherine did, although she did of course have those who liked and supported her.
      Catherine was a formidable woman to live up to - and I think also there's the fact that although Anne was a noblewoman, and was undoubtedly clever and politically-minded, she just hadn't been raised to be a queen the way Catherine had, and therefore just didn't understand the subtleties of her role. Catherine had grown up watching her mother Queen Isabella be a strong and dominant queen, while also turning a blind eye to her husband's affairs and ultimately supporting him. Catherine understood she had to do the same, and there was more than one way to get what she wanted. Anne only understood how to argue her point, and probably thought she had more influence over Henry than she really did.

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople it also warmed my heart to hear that people who witnessed Anne's execution, actually did behave like humans and despite everything that happened, still did consider her as a human being that deserves sympathy and respect in last moments of her life. and they didn't behave like beasts towards her for whatever fault she had.
      I can't honestly say such a humanity existed in like every other nation that witnessed their queen's demise😒😒😒

  • @AshiyaDylanSean
    @AshiyaDylanSean 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I will be fascinated how anne lived her life. she's truly a queen!

  • @susanwetmore4822
    @susanwetmore4822 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think she learned how to plan the game of thrones in the French court and with her family’s blessing ( and manipulations) used the wit, self confidence, charm and savvy to make her own opportunities. She was passionate which was both a blessing and a curse. To me , it seems as if she would be a good friend or she could be a bitter enemy. I think she was loyal to the people she loved and unforgiving to those who crossed her. She understood that Henry desperately wanted a male heir and realized that Catherine would ultimately be replaced with a younger woman. She decided that she would be that younger woman and played the long game to achieve her goals

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      that's not true! She loved someone else and Henry ripped her away from him

    • @susanwetmore4822
      @susanwetmore4822 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I think it was both Henry and her family. Aristocratic women didn’t marry for love, she had an opportunity presented to her and she took it . This was to be expected. Jane Seymour had the same thing happen to her. Her family saw the chance for prestige and riches and she was presented on a silver platter. She also needed to play her role. She was cast as the demure calm saint , a polar opposite from Anne’s fiery passion and zest for life. Was Jane the innocent history usually presents her as? I don’t think so. The Howard’s, the Boleyns and the Seymour’s connived and manipulated to have one of their own as the Queen

  • @funtimefoxy6136
    @funtimefoxy6136 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I think if Katherine of Aragon had died unexpectedly of the sweating sickness in 1524, and Henry VIII married Anne earlier, things would’ve been so different. Perhaps she might’ve been like Elizabeth Woodville and she might’ve had many children other than Elizabeth I. And perhaps Mary I (Bloody Mary) would’ve disliked her, but she wouldn’t have hated as much as she did. And also the Reformation might’ve happened but it wouldn’t be as radical as it would’ve been. She might’ve given birth to a son Edward (although he would’ve been very different to the one we know).
    P.S.A. - Do you imagine an Edward VI that had Henry VIII’s physical traits such as his tall height, his charisma, and charm but inherited Anne’s features (black hair, dark eyes, and olive skin)? That would’ve been a sight 😂😂😂

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Absolutely! It was definitely the way in which Anne and Henry went about it. I don't think Mary would even have been as put out if Anne had been more respectful to Catherine and herself, and had tried to do everything possible to supplicate herself to them...but then, of course, Anne wasn't like that in personality.

  • @Justice-ef9sk
    @Justice-ef9sk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    “Sweating sickness…” I’ve always wondered, what was it? Meaning today would we say they called it sweating sickness back then but today we know of it as…… 🤔 typhoid? cholera?
    Or was it just called sweating sickness? Lol.
    Any doctor/viewers out there that know?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's a bit of mystery, is sweating sickness, as the symptoms they describe from the time period (cold shivers, dizziness, headaches, fevers, aches in certain parts of the body) could fit a huge number of illnesses around today. We're not even sure how it was transmitted, but due to how many people from different social classes and areas had it, it was probably airborne.
      I think the most likely modern interpretation - bearing in mind, I'm not a doctor, I'm just repeating what I've learned from historic journals and books - is that is was possibly a hantavirus, a viral syndrome that could have been carried from rodents. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hantavirus_pulmonary_syndrome

  • @gypsythompson2765
    @gypsythompson2765 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He blamed the women in his life for not producing a living son when all along it was his falt. His unfortunate queens

  • @janehastie3464
    @janehastie3464 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The main reason that Anne Boleyn's life became tragic was she had no insight and knowledge of his character and the way Ki ng Henry VIII and the Council governed the country. After King Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn were married for a year and a half, King Henry VIII started to have affairs with other women and lost interest in her.

  • @brandyloutherback9288
    @brandyloutherback9288 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's generally agreed that Anne Boleyn was younger than Mary but older than George! Furthermore, It's agreed that she was born in ca. 1501, at the family seat in Norfolk!

  • @joeblogs-vx4ep
    @joeblogs-vx4ep 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It was all "trumped up" false evidence against Anne Boleyn so Henry could get rid of her
    Poor woman ..

  • @zackhalter9571
    @zackhalter9571 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thanks!

  • @brandyloutherback9288
    @brandyloutherback9288 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Anne wore a red kirtle underneath her gray damask gown! A boned Kirtle is like a full-length petticoat!

    • @KristenK78
      @KristenK78 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought that was Mary, Queen of Scots?

    • @EllenYoung-q3p
      @EllenYoung-q3p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@KristenK78Yes, Anne wore a red kirtle under her gown.. Henry demanded all her outer garments and adornments of any kind be taken away. I'm not sure if they were returned to the crown or given to the swordsman. Pathetic.

  • @csmtcqueen
    @csmtcqueen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Henry chose her. He had the power, so blame him.

  • @Bellarose-r8u
    @Bellarose-r8u 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Henry did not deserve any of his wives
    Catherine:the Loyal
    Anne: the smart
    Jane: the kind
    Anne of cleves: the clever
    Katherine howard: the vivacious/fun girl
    Katheryn parr: the strong survivor

  • @azerethamaral6513
    @azerethamaral6513 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    For the next video, would you make it about Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia?

    • @OfficeSpace2909
      @OfficeSpace2909 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think that would be a fantastic idea. Elizabeth Stuart is not only an interesting person of interest for me, but is the ancestor of the current monarch of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      She's on my list as someone else mentioned her a while ago, so her video will happen at some point! 😊

    • @redemptivepete
      @redemptivepete 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's said that when her brother died Charles ( future Charles 1) was seen as so unpromising that there was a move to make Elizabeth Stuart the heir to the throne.

  • @kaleanaking5292
    @kaleanaking5292 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m so tired of them saying they wore yellow because they’re happy but in reality yellow is the color of mourning in Spain

  • @MichelleBruce-lo4oc
    @MichelleBruce-lo4oc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hi, awesome live history video on Anne Boleyn I enjoyed it. How are you doing? How is the weather where you are? I'm doing well. My cat Benjamin is doing well also. He's big and happy. We had lots of cold weather in Ontario Canada. Have a great day see you next video 😊

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Michelle, I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and that you and Benjamin are doing well! 😊 Our cat Mallard is spending most of her time inside at the moment having naps and getting chubby (adorably so!) off having treats and being cosy inside, haha. We're still cold here, but unfortunately it's wet again - typical Britain lol!

  • @blackwidowspider9852
    @blackwidowspider9852 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I read a book that in the beginning she had no love for the king and no attraction Honorable to the queen

  • @LanaWarzynski
    @LanaWarzynski 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The bible says no children it doesnt say sons Henry said that

  • @therezabjorklund353
    @therezabjorklund353 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I suggest you read " The Autobiography of Henry VIII" , by Margaret George.
    It's an excellent book, over 900 pages , but you can hardly stop reading it. It's well reasearched and written. The author let us travel through time into Henry's court, his 6 wives and children.
    Anne was selfish and she got what she wanted no matter how much pain she brought to others. But she didn't deserve to die the way she did. The real victims were Queen Catherine of Aragon, Mary and later, Elizabeth.
    Henry, on the other hand, from the most handsome prince in Europe, became an obese monster with an open fetid leg ulcer which gave him a lot of suffering until his death. Maybe karma is real.
    I also visited England, the Tower, St Paul's Cathedral were many kings are buried, saw the wax effigies in the basement, especially Elizabeth's.
    I also visited Windsor Castle where Henry and J Seymor are buried. I've read other books on the wives and mistresses of H.VIII.All a very fascinating reading. I love history.
    Great video. Thanks.

  • @JangianTV
    @JangianTV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ooh, this'll be a treat! 😁

  • @brandyloutherback9288
    @brandyloutherback9288 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Also, It's agreed that Henry's affair with Mary was short lived, and may have resulted in a daughter, if anything came of the affair at all, it was probably over by 1522! Anne was declared Marquess of Pembroke in ca. September, 1532!

    • @EllenYoung-q3p
      @EllenYoung-q3p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Some historians feel the affair with Mary lasted several years.

  • @roxannamurray3865
    @roxannamurray3865 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting history. ❤

  • @MTCali70
    @MTCali70 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    How many Francis' were King in France and wasn't there a Claude, one of the daughters of Catherine de Medici?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think there were only 2 altogether - Francis I, and then Francis II, who was his grandson. And yup, one of Catherine de Medici (and Henry II)'s daughters was called Claude. Henry II was Francis I's son, so he probably named her after his mother. 😊

    • @doriamurriola7188
      @doriamurriola7188 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@HistorysForgottenPeople By the time of their trip to Calais, Claude has died (at 24 years old) and Francis was "forced" to marry Eleanor of Austria, sister of Charles V and niece of Catherine of Aragon, so off course Eleanor refused to meet or acknowledge Anne at all

  • @lindaarrington9397
    @lindaarrington9397 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was facinating
    Brought back the facts i had learned about that ogre Henry 8th it also reminded me of the good and bad in the women he lusted after
    I dint think he ever really loved Katherine of Aragon. He more or less was forced unto that one dye to his position. It was all a big mess and im sure My heavebly Father
    God.... got a splitting headache form it all😊

  • @livingintongues
    @livingintongues 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Killed Katherine in Jan Died herself to in May of the same year ...Wow .

  • @theoriginaltoba
    @theoriginaltoba หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anne Boleyn was not born in 1500. She was born in either 1501 or 1507.
    0:44 Thomas Boleyn was not made Earl of Wiltshire until the 1520s.
    4:55 Anne returned home in 1522 at the at the of 21, not 1521.
    6:02 Anne was made a lady in waiting in 1522 as a lady in waiting to Catherine of Aragon, which is why she returned home.
    25:42 Anne did not fall pregnant in 1534. It was a phantom pregnancy.

  • @MareeMarshall
    @MareeMarshall 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anne knew what she was doing,with a little encourage from her family,

  • @lfgifu296
    @lfgifu296 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    oof there we go👹
    I think she was a bad person, but not for a second that she cheated on Henry, least of all with her brother, that was preposterous💀
    I don’t think she wanted to become Queen at first, but she ultimately encouraged Henry to break with Rome and leave Katherine. Furthermore, when Katherine reasoned with Henry, she got mad at him.
    And it’s not like she didn’t have options. I’d reckon becoming a nun or remaining unmarried (because after Henry showed interest in her any man who married her before Henry bed her would risk his neck) was better than tearing a family and country apart. Maybe not for her, but for nearly everyone else.
    Also, her wishes that the money taken from the monasteries went to the education of children, while good, was counterproductive: the monasteries served as schools and shelters for poor people, had they not been dissolved, it wouldn’t have been needed at all, but points for effort.
    The worst part though was her terrible treatment of Princess Mary and Katherine.
    Ok I now wait for the hate to come

    • @Chipoo88
      @Chipoo88 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Hear hear! How refreshing to read an unbiased well-reasoned argument!

    • @lfgifu296
      @lfgifu296 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Chipoo88 is this ironic?

    • @DarthDread-oh2ne
      @DarthDread-oh2ne 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi friend. I hope you’re weekend was great.

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      becoming a nun? becoming a nun because a king won't leave you alone? sacrifice your future and dreams you once had since your childhood (not including Henry) and the amazing life you had for people you don't even know??? Anne may not have been a saint but, absolutely she had every right not wanting to sacrifice her entire existence, after all the chances Henry ripped from her and not wanting to be another abandoned girl. besides with, or without Anne, Henry would've divorced Catherine anyway, even if it wasn't Anne and instead was some other religious stubborn girl. because Catherine couldn't get pregnant anymore which at that point Henry really needed her to be, so stop this blaming her for the divorcing part

    • @lfgifu296
      @lfgifu296 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@altinaykor364 I don’t take the blame out of Henry, and neither did I say she wanted to be Queen from the beginning, quite the contrary, actually, but yes, I think sacrificing one’s future is better than sacrificing other people’s future.

  • @gypsythompson2765
    @gypsythompson2765 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He treated Katherine of aragon much worse.

  • @isabellemartin9779
    @isabellemartin9779 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    She was not a homewrecker.

  • @desstanbridge8283
    @desstanbridge8283 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wasn't Anne sister King Henry's lover/plaything ??

  • @jellybelly7015
    @jellybelly7015 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She was a pawn for her family to advance.

  • @doriamurriola7188
    @doriamurriola7188 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Elizabeth 1 never did anything to properly "restore" or to honor her mother, although she probably had no affection towards a murderous father that sent her away and killed her mother, for political reasons, she always reminded people about her old dad and their physical resemblance, Anne's reputation was already ruined, so she never overtly referred to her or their mother and daughter relationship, in this, she was a master manipulator and propangandist just like her Grandpa Henry vii

    • @EllenYoung-q3p
      @EllenYoung-q3p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Anne's death was still very politically unwise for Elizabeth to campaign about during her reign. She wore a ring with pictures of herself and her mother enclosed within the ring until the day she died. That speaks volumes on her personal feelings regarding her mother.

  • @crocodiledundee8685
    @crocodiledundee8685 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    24:14 didn’t know about that 🤣

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I can just imagine the printers' faces when they were told. 😂😂😂

  • @deborahproctor9538
    @deborahproctor9538 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are giving anne too much power. Anne had none. Henry viii had it all. Anne did what she had to in order to survive

  • @skepticalmaiden
    @skepticalmaiden 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    She was not his mistress.

  • @beazeer1465
    @beazeer1465 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anne was, unfortunately, female a pawn by an ambitious family . To intelligent and strong for Spoilt over indulged autocrate , despot like Henry .

  • @DennisNowland
    @DennisNowland 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My heart bleeds for her. Well, actually it doesn't.

  • @rhonaharker6358
    @rhonaharker6358 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anne Boleyn destroyed by all ten men around her

  • @carolynbettencourt9582
    @carolynbettencourt9582 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    After all that trouble, Henry got another worthless, useless girl. Ha,Ha.

  • @CampLJNC
    @CampLJNC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why does this remind me of Charles and Camilla?

  • @berniewright8902
    @berniewright8902 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dreadful 😂times to live in.

  • @Andy_Babb
    @Andy_Babb 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this channel 😊
    #helpthealgorithm

  • @zackhalter9571
    @zackhalter9571 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks!

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you so much! I really appreciate it, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 😊