:) i remember this one very very well, its been at least 17-18 years since ive heard that engine sound and my god it sound's great, just like i remember it and i have not forgotton the sound either - i used to ride on these in nottingham back in the late 80's early 90's and damn they wear fast! keep it close to you my friend, they are becoming rare these days which im sure you know!
We used to have these same Lynx's here at First Southampton. I never got to drive a Lynx but I hear from other drivers that they used to be air throttle and they were 'all or nothing' acceleration. Unfortunately I never got to drive any of the old stuff I mainly drive Volvo B7 RLE buses with a Wright Eclipse body and not much else. I did my training on a Volvo B10M Plaxton body Coach to gain my PCV. The oldest stuff I drive are ALX 400's with a Volvo B7TL engine, Dennis Dart SLF's with a standard 10 metre body, and that's about it really. Otherwise its all wright Streetlites with a 3.9 4cyl ISB cummins engine or Enviro 200 buses.
I USED TO DRIVE FROM LAUCESTON TO EXETER WITH A LYNX ONCE I HAD JENNINGS TRY TO OVERTAKE ME IN A COACH AND THE GOOD OLD LYNX WAS HOLDING 60 UP A STEEP HILL ON THE A30 JENNING HAD TO PULL IN AGAIN BEHIND ME LOL ! GREAT BUS THAT ! AND IT LOVES SPEED BUT VERY NOISY IN CAB THE GEAR CHANGES WOULD SLAM YOU IN THE BACK ! BUT ECONOMY WAS GOOD !
Yeah, she'll have some good miles on the clock. Started life out with Yorkshire Buses in the early 90's, then Arriva Yorkshire and then onto Arriva Midlands. The rear axle on a Lynx tends to sound like this, does the pitch change when they're about to knacker up?
I had thought of this Peter, the Lynx group is quite active and we share info, photos, videos, sound recordings and other Lynx bits. Plenty of Lynx owners on there plus an owner who has converted his into a disco bus with multicoloured flashing lights and what looks like laminate flooring.
Great Video. Spent a few years driving some ex Cynon Valley examples with Red & White. Didn't like them at first because I found the brakes a bit sharp but I'd much rather have a Lynx now than the likes of the ADL Enviro and such.
It did sound nice, was quite nice to drive too even though the engine was a bit flat, not quite as jumpy as the Cummins should be. The engine does have quite a bad oil problem, there seems to be more oil outside the engine than the inside, the oil filters were caked. The gearbox has a fault too, a few times when Simon was driving it dropped out of gear for a second and re-engaged.
They don't... If the third pedal is on the far left, it'll be a door control pedal. Some buses are fitted with these so the doors can be opened using the foot. I'm not sure why though.
C920 FMP has a Gardner engine and a semi-auto gearbox so doesn't build up speed quite as fast as a Cummins Lynx. C920 FMP's body sloped towards the rear end, a cracked interior panel and an emergency door that proved harder to open and close. She's at LTT at the moment receiving the rebuild.
I'm not exactly an expert on rear axles used by Leyland. I think they bought Eaton axles at some point, but they shouldn't whine like that. If it were a Scania, I'd drive it straight to the pit and have the axle changed. Or does she have a Voith box? That would explain the screaming.
The entire front of this bus was removed as a source of spares for mine. The front panels shouldn't fall off when in service, no matter what the gradient. Would be interested to hear more though.
In which case it'll be a clutch for manual transmission. Unless it's that I-shift on a Volvo B12B which can be changed between automatic and manual. Fully automatic you have 2 pedals and an electronic brain changes the gears automatically. Semi automatic also has 2 pedals but you have control over the gear selection, the clutch is done electronically and bands in the gearbox shift the gears as per selection. That's how i understand it anyway.
As I say, if you go on most Lynx, the rear axle emits whining noises which is pretty much the signature of a Lynx, though whines are more prominent on a Cummins engined Lynx with ZF gearbox, this one is ZF. My semi-auto Gardner Lynx doesn't really whine like other Lynx, you get the whines at 30-40 mph but that's about it.
C920 FMP will take quite a while as she has a broken back and severe corrosion to the bodyframe, which is being taken care of. Mat Southart sent me photos of your Lynx, it looks supberb. Sadly, I've not had the opportunity to see it up close. C920 FMP will go back into West Riding green, it would've been nice to complement this with G324 NUM in Yorkshire Buses red but needs must and all that and the parts are needed.
There not bad buses the Leyland Jinx, Just the body frames have a habit of falling to bits, especially over the rear wheel arches. I think some of the later versions were Volvo engined.
@LaminaDieWills: Thanks for your comment. These Lynx buses were the biz in their day, fast, comfortable and a clean modern design. I too remember these buses from my childhood around the West Riding of Yorkshire, then when they were used as my school buses. Funny how buses can evoke such wonderful memories... which is why I bought one, helps keep those memories alive... plus I like buses which is a bonus :)
If the whine is characteristic I could be all wrong about the whole rear axle thing. The Gardner/semi-auto combination might be easier on the driveline when driven properly. ZF box is quite noisy, too.
hopefully ill pass my PCV this year, then save up and buy myself a Lynx - fantastic buses, just wish i could drive one now (if only First Glasgow has a training lynx instead of the PS, horrible to drive)
I'm afraid it isn't, however much I'd like to preserve another Yorkshire Lynx this one is being used for spare parts for my Lynx (C920 FMP) and a pals Lynx (G38 YHJ) both in preservation.
You don't need to wait till you're 21. I don't know where you live, but most large bus companies like First, or Stagecoach, or Arriva will take you on at 18, and train you for a PCV test. Smaller private bus companies will not touch you till you're 25 though, for insurance reasons. Large companies insure themselves, so can get away with it. Good luck.
Oh and I'm not sure if you're interested but I run the Leyland Lynx Google Group - not sure if you're a member or not. Would be nice to have you join. Cheers. Adam
Quite a number of Mk2 Lynx were built with the Volvo THD0102 engine. My Lynx had severe corrosion, pretty much all over, especially over the rear wheel arches. The frame had holes in it. Check out my site at c920fmp (dot) fotopic (dot) net which shows photos of it's condition before it was replaced.
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i love that loud grunting noise they make when they reverse
I love the sound of that gearbox... Brings back memories as a child on the way into Liverpool on the 61 :)
:) i remember this one very very well, its been at least 17-18 years since ive heard that engine sound and my god it sound's great, just like i remember it and i have not forgotton the sound either - i used to ride on these in nottingham back in the late 80's early 90's and damn they wear fast!
keep it close to you my friend, they are becoming rare these days which im sure you know!
We used to have these same Lynx's here at First Southampton. I never got to drive a Lynx but I hear from other drivers that they used to be air throttle and they were 'all or nothing' acceleration. Unfortunately I never got to drive any of the old stuff I mainly drive Volvo B7 RLE buses with a Wright Eclipse body and not much else. I did my training on a Volvo B10M Plaxton body Coach to gain my PCV. The oldest stuff I drive are ALX 400's with a Volvo B7TL engine, Dennis Dart SLF's with a standard 10 metre body, and that's about it really. Otherwise its all wright Streetlites with a 3.9 4cyl ISB cummins engine or Enviro 200 buses.
Pen-y-bont to llanraeder without getting stuck behind a tractor? very impressive! well done!
Your bang on there 'Lincolnshirebuswakey', it was great fun and a great drive too.
Christ, that's a fast beast! Lol, does it still survive to this day in preservation?
Sadly not, it was cut up and used for parts to restore 2 other Leyland Lynx.
ahh the leyland lynx - my old school swimming bus in the early 90's - those things could MOVE lol , but still miss the nationals
looks likes that thing knows how to motor sounds lovely!
That's what Lynx tend to do though some are very loud at higher speeds. It's all down to the gearbox and rear axle.
Damn the pickup is beast...
I USED TO DRIVE FROM LAUCESTON TO EXETER WITH A LYNX ONCE I HAD JENNINGS TRY TO OVERTAKE ME IN A COACH AND THE GOOD OLD LYNX WAS HOLDING 60 UP A STEEP HILL ON THE A30 JENNING HAD TO PULL IN AGAIN BEHIND ME LOL ! GREAT BUS THAT ! AND IT LOVES SPEED BUT VERY NOISY IN CAB THE GEAR CHANGES WOULD SLAM YOU IN THE BACK ! BUT ECONOMY WAS GOOD !
beast!
rather looking forward to the day when I can drive our lynx!
It's my first time to hear such nice engine noise of Leyland Lynx from USA! Is this MKI or MKII?
Yeah, she'll have some good miles on the clock. Started life out with Yorkshire Buses in the early 90's, then Arriva Yorkshire and then onto Arriva Midlands. The rear axle on a Lynx tends to sound like this, does the pitch change when they're about to knacker up?
I had thought of this Peter, the Lynx group is quite active and we share info, photos, videos, sound recordings and other Lynx bits. Plenty of Lynx owners on there plus an owner who has converted his into a disco bus with multicoloured flashing lights and what looks like laminate flooring.
Is that the first time you have driven a Cummins engine Adam?
I've not been on an 0405 and not terribly sure what engine they have - no doubt Merc engines? It may have something to do with the rear axle?
Great Video. Spent a few years driving some ex Cynon Valley examples with Red & White. Didn't like them at first because I found the brakes a bit sharp but I'd much rather have a Lynx now than the likes of the ADL Enviro and such.
Like a Duck to water! You handled it great! Or should I compare it to a Cat on a fence seeing as we are talking about a Lynx.
I used to drive this bus at West Riding
It did sound nice, was quite nice to drive too even though the engine was a bit flat, not quite as jumpy as the Cummins should be. The engine does have quite a bad oil problem, there seems to be more oil outside the engine than the inside, the oil filters were caked. The gearbox has a fault too, a few times when Simon was driving it dropped out of gear for a second and re-engaged.
Nope, never got them. Had emailed you as well but was never sure if you got that. Do you still work for Northern Rail?
They don't...
If the third pedal is on the far left, it'll be a door control pedal. Some buses are fitted with these so the doors can be opened using the foot. I'm not sure why though.
C920 FMP has a Gardner engine and a semi-auto gearbox so doesn't build up speed quite as fast as a Cummins Lynx. C920 FMP's body sloped towards the rear end, a cracked interior panel and an emergency door that proved harder to open and close. She's at LTT at the moment receiving the rebuild.
I'm not exactly an expert on rear axles used by Leyland. I think they bought Eaton axles at some point, but they shouldn't whine like that. If it were a Scania, I'd drive it straight to the pit and have the axle changed. Or does she have a Voith box? That would explain the screaming.
The entire front of this bus was removed as a source of spares for mine.
The front panels shouldn't fall off when in service, no matter what the gradient. Would be interested to hear more though.
In which case it'll be a clutch for manual transmission. Unless it's that I-shift on a Volvo B12B which can be changed between automatic and manual.
Fully automatic you have 2 pedals and an electronic brain changes the gears automatically.
Semi automatic also has 2 pedals but you have control over the gear selection, the clutch is done electronically and bands in the gearbox shift the gears as per selection. That's how i understand it anyway.
Shame really sounds like a nice bus do you own TWM 1292 then mate?
As I say, if you go on most Lynx, the rear axle emits whining noises which is pretty much the signature of a Lynx, though whines are more prominent on a Cummins engined Lynx with ZF gearbox, this one is ZF. My semi-auto Gardner Lynx doesn't really whine like other Lynx, you get the whines at 30-40 mph but that's about it.
Can I ask if it is expensive to run the Bus and do you take it to shows as well?.
Thanks
Daniel
did you get a PSV licence yourself or go to a company? Thanks
I got 55 out of it at one point. According to the Lynx handbook, the power output is 157kW.
They're not too bad, the gearbox got some getting used to at first as it was like stirring a bowl of treacle.
C920 FMP will take quite a while as she has a broken back and severe corrosion to the bodyframe, which is being taken care of. Mat Southart sent me photos of your Lynx, it looks supberb. Sadly, I've not had the opportunity to see it up close. C920 FMP will go back into West Riding green, it would've been nice to complement this with G324 NUM in Yorkshire Buses red but needs must and all that and the parts are needed.
I had driven an ex TWM Lynx but only for a few miles. This was the second time I'd driven anything with Cummins... could you tell??
Have you brought the Lynx for preservation or for a bus company?
That's how I remember Lynx's
I'm from West Yorkshire. The footage in Woottens was taken on my first visit there as I'm friends with the owner.
There not bad buses the Leyland Jinx, Just the body frames have a habit of falling to bits, especially over the rear wheel arches. I think some of the later versions were Volvo engined.
@LaminaDieWills: Thanks for your comment. These Lynx buses were the biz in their day, fast, comfortable and a clean modern design. I too remember these buses from my childhood around the West Riding of Yorkshire, then when they were used as my school buses. Funny how buses can evoke such wonderful memories... which is why I bought one, helps keep those memories alive... plus I like buses which is a bonus :)
If the whine is characteristic I could be all wrong about the whole rear axle thing. The Gardner/semi-auto combination might be easier on the driveline when driven properly. ZF box is quite noisy, too.
I suspect around 12-14mpg. The Cummins engined Lynx tends to me a bit more thirsty than a Gardner engined Lynx but not overly.
also forget to say was it costly to do the PSV training?
Do you have to do five year training or is that just when you work for stagecoach for example
You're most correct.
hopefully ill pass my PCV this year, then save up and buy myself a Lynx - fantastic buses, just wish i could drive one now (if only First Glasgow has a training lynx instead of the PS, horrible to drive)
@Lynxboy252 i thought that mk1s had a front end witch stuck out alot
can drive a bus with a car license as long as its used for non pcv use?
It was a design feature to reduce glare. Previous buses before the Lynx had this feature.
Rear axle sounds like it's on the final journey. I think this is a much-travelled girl: a million or so on the clock?
@Negibus: Glad you like; they're fantastic buses. This is a Mk1.
I'm always up for receiving sound recordings of Lynx in action, knackered or otherwise. Sadly this Lynx won't be going out anymore.
Yes it was, felt a bit sluggish at times compared to a few others I've driven.
Nice driving.
I'm afraid it isn't, however much I'd like to preserve another Yorkshire Lynx this one is being used for spare parts for my Lynx (C920 FMP) and a pals Lynx (G38 YHJ) both in preservation.
It was bought as a source of spares for other Lynx in preservation; it's since been scrapped.
@PortlandsTransport: Let me guess, the steering wheel is on the wrong side too? :)
Still fast af boi
Yes I do.
I paid and did mine privately - in a 6 speed manual Dennis Javelin coach.
As long as the bus is more than 30 years old on date of it being driven, you can drive it with a car lisence.
@Lynxboy252 I like ZF gearboxed busses but can you drive a double decker(e.g.Volvo B9TL)and also a articulated bus(e.g. Mercedes O4O5G)
you do know that this is in england so we drive on the left?
Is this fitted w/ ZF ?
a ZF 4HP500 ?
@brushtraction: No, it was Mk2s with the 'snout' on the front.
No, it's not. It was acquired as a donor bus for two Lynx in preservation; mine and a friends.
You don't need to wait till you're 21. I don't know where you live, but most large bus companies like First, or Stagecoach, or Arriva will take you on at 18, and train you for a PCV test.
Smaller private bus companies will not touch you till you're 25 though, for insurance reasons. Large companies insure themselves, so can get away with it.
Good luck.
@kinkeestore: It most certainly is.
Well I can certainly say you're not a slow bus driver...!
@spartan117ism I can drive any rigid bus with whatever engine and gearbox. Why?
I'd be interested to hear what impressed you if you normally hate Lynxes.
@PortlandsTransport YUP!
Not exactly. I bought one bus, restored it and drive it. I keep it in a large under cover building. Nope, no VanHool coaches. Just a Lynx.
Oh and I'm not sure if you're interested but I run the Leyland Lynx Google Group - not sure if you're a member or not. Would be nice to have you join. Cheers. Adam
@ea90744: Thanks :)
Not any more, it's been scrapped.
I did it over a course of a week and it cost just under £1000, it would've cost more had I not done the theory test off my own back.
@spartan117ism I can drive single deckers and double deckers. I'm not licensed to drive articulated vehicles.
@Lynxboy252 Can you drive an accuqired Mercedes O405 with ZF transmission
It is a ZF 4HP500.
Sounds like an Optare Prisma bodied Merc 0405!
Sounds like a cummins L10, which is turbo.
@brushtraction: It was a Leyland thing.
@amiga512k : If this bus went 100, it'd have shaken itself to pieces lol
This one is a Cummins L10.
Quite a number of Mk2 Lynx were built with the Volvo THD0102 engine.
My Lynx had severe corrosion, pretty much all over, especially over the rear wheel arches. The frame had holes in it. Check out my site at c920fmp (dot) fotopic (dot) net which shows photos of it's condition before it was replaced.
@SPTSuperSprinter156: She was being cannibalised... I had to give her a good send off, Lynx L10 style :)
No?
Will do. I will get in contact with you via TH-cam and not the comments so you can have my email address.
Go on, gizza clue who you are?? :)
Probably but I'm not a Tanat driver and it wasn't a Tanat owned vehicle.
I'm 23.
Top end speed around 55mph.
No, this wasn't in service. I don't drive like that in service.
Nah, that'd be Steve Peters (wmtlynx). I own C920 FMP.
Hey your on the wrong side of the road!
Hes obviously not in service hence the casual clothes maybe ? and take your negative comments somewhere else
Aye please Brad, it'd be much appreciated - you have my email don't you?
That's a bad way to drive if you're on service.