Thank you so much for this. The 14xx's sometimes ran in between the two coaches and the driver sits in one coach going forward and when they go the other way the driver would get into the other coach but sometimes the 14xx would be at the front of the train, the pulleys and rods would connect throughout the train. Thanks again for this amazing video. I've got the AirFix model and it works well but not great
No problem! Thank you for watching! Thanks a lot for the info on the autotrain - much appreciated! Yeah the airfix ones work okay once they're serviced - but as you know, it can be hard to do! All the best, Sam :)
It should be noted that they were mostly ran with the engine in between the coaches (when there were more than one), so that there was minimal play in the linkages.
Ah. My favorite class of steam locomotive finaly reviewd. And now that Hornby is rereleasing the 14xx im probably going to get her and just one autocoach. Another great video Sam, cheers.
That's great to hear it's your favourite - sorry it took so long though! Yeah cool - they look pretty affordable too - I wonder if it's the same as this one, when it eventually comes? Thanks again mate, always glad for your support, Cheers, Sam :)
2:36 That's exactly right, generally autocoaches are formed like so: (M is representing the steam engine, DT the autocoaches) 1 Autocoach: M+DT or DT+M 2 Autocoaches: DT+M+DT, rarely M+DT+DT or DT+DT+M, due to linkage play. 3 Autocoaches: DT+M+DT+DT or DT+DT+M+DT, 4 Autocoaches: DT+DT+M+DT+DT 5+ Autocoaches: Not done due to too much play in linkages when 3 or more coaches from the engine.
Thanks a lot for the comment - yeah it is amazing actually - a very clever system! That's only in real life though - these just have little motors too - but they're in the locomotives! Cheers, Sam :)
We need Hornby to make These again, DJ’s fall left a British railways 14xx with early lined emblem and a British railway 14xx with late lined emblem shape hole in my heart
Hopefully with a proper redesign to the mechanism, also the sprung trailing wheel screws up the pickups sometimes. A shame really, I still love my model of it, cute little thing, but runs like dogwater, especially with a load at %40> speed
In fact samstrains, in america the the autocoach idea has been adapted into commuter railroads as a cabcar, a car used as a locomotive control for the back, but instead of chains, wires are used, usually used on amtrak and stuff.
Hi Sam...nice review....looks like a nice set to acquire.....the the things on the roof are what we used to call torpedoes at the carriage works ...they move with the air flow to let ventilation into the coach ......thanks for showing...fred
Hi Fred, many thanks mate - yeah its quite a lovely set actually! Oh wow - you know I never knew that - thanks so much for the info, that's really interesting! No problem, thank you for watching! Cheers, Sam :)
Nice review Sam the 48xx / 14xx could handle multiple auto coaches, when running with two the loco was often sandwiched in the middle, this gave the driver in the cab(s) a better view of the line ahead than when driving from the loco. This was important when working on light and often unfenced branch lines. It was also common for a couple of non-corridor coaches, normally a 'B-Set' to be coupled between the loco and the auto coach, and it was also common on branch auto trains to tow a fitted goods wagon or two at the rear of the train. Originally, when the early auto trains started the fireman did the actually driving whilst the driver gave him instructions via a series of bell codes. Later this was improved so the brakes and regulator were controlled direct from the auto coach, other controls being still worked by the fireman through bell codes. The 48xx/14xx tanks weren't the only auto fitted locos the GWR had. the earlier Dean 517 0-4-2T's (which the 48xx/14xx locos were developed from) were fitted as were some members of Dean 455 'Metro' 2-4-0T's. Later some pannier tanks of the Dean 1076 and 2021 classes were fitted out to work auto trains and a sub class of Collets 57xx panniers, the 64xx were also built for auto working. Then in 1930 Collet introduced the 54xx pannier tanks specially for auto working. Finally in the 1940's a number of 4575 class small prairie 2-6-2t were also auto fitted. Funnily enough the GWR also had the 58xx class 0-4-2T, which were exactly the same as the 48xx/14xx locos, but were not auto-fitted and used mainly for branch line goods workings. The growths on top of the coaches are ventilators, early air conditioning. Fair marks and its good see GWR tanks doing their thing. Keep streaming Jon PS - Odd one out - The Churchward County 4-4-0, cos a) its the only tender loco on show, and b) it was the only class of loco on show not to pass into BR ownership.
Hi Jon, thanks very much mate! I've just watched a video with the 14xx sandwiched between multiple coaches - a very unusual sight, but brilliant to see! Thanks for all the information - It really is a terribly interesting system - very good idea too, even if it didn't work all that well! Thanks for the info on the growths too - I never knew that before today either! All the best mate - and well done with the odd one out! Cheers mate, Sam :)
just seeing this, and OMG THANK U FINALLY U DID ONE OF MY FAV TANK ENGINES, DUCK, OLIVER, AND ALL THAT STUFF! I LUV THE GWR TRAINS thx sam a bunch. also how old r u?
well she's definitely a grest little loco!! I love the idea of auto coaches, considering she runs a traction tire she seems to run pretty well , and the detail isn't half bad either !! - all the best mate
Yes, normally the loco goes in the middle of the two auto coaches. The driver stands in the cab at the front and controls the regulator, while the fireman is on the loco footplate looking after the steam and I suppose brakes.
The driver opporates the loco from the autocoach which isn't facing anything else. All are built the same to allow the pullies to work for each coach or to run through it (like an 8 car EMU). The fireman stays in the cab to maintain fire and water and to make sure no major mistakes happen. Hope that helps, Alex.
Hi Sam, others may already have pointed out that the handrails should have been fitted the other way up so they slope under the coaches but don't stick out as you had them. And yes they did use to run as a "sandwich", with the loco in between a coach at either end, or even two coaches either end.
Ahh okay, thanks for that Mike - I might have another go with those then! That is an interesting formation - I've done that a few times since this video, it's certainly very unusual! All the best, Sam :)
I had one of the Airfix 14xx models when I was very small, so it must be at least 30-35 years old now. Sadly I missed this or I'd buy a pack for nostalgia value.
Hi Sam, I have a bit of a dilemma and was wondering if you might be able to help. I own a Hornby Thomas the tank Oliver which I believe is similar to the 14xx you show in this video, the Hornby Oliver was bought pre-owned and is missing the traction tires on the second set of large wheels, I believe because of this the engine shakes around while running on my layout (which is a standard Hornby circuit so it shouldn’t be the fault of the track), do you know if the shaking is related to the lack of traction tires or could it be some other reason often found on 14xx’s ?, what would you recommend I’d do to fix this problem ?, I’m note sure if it’s even possible to find replacement traction tires for this engine any more. Thanks, Sam.
Yes if it's missing tyres, the performance will be much worse - you effectively have part of the wheel missing! Take a look on Ebay and see if you can get spare tyres - they used to be available! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
haha yeah! I've only found out about Isabel and Dulcie through these comments - otherwise I would have mentioned them in the video! Cheers mate, Sam :)
The 48XX/14XX was originally a differently numbered train (I think), but when they modified some of them for the auto coaches, they made the new sub-class of the famous 0-4-2T
Have you seen the DJ Models version? Nice detail of the valve mechanism, between the frames. Just awaiting the new Hornby Autocoaches to complete the set.
Hi Tom, no I've not seen it in the flesh - but it looks very very impressive! It should be though, for £100! I had a quick look on the Hornby site - those new ones look lovely in their liveries - they do look like the same tooling as these ones though! All the best, Sam :)
My dad had a Horby 's big box train set so many years ago. It was just a wind-up loco with 2 passenger cars. ( look alike one in this clip).I hope to see it again if you please. Thanks a lot.
Hi Sam excellent review as always - I didn't know this train pack existed!! £55 is a bargain for her!! I think it was that quite often there would be one autocoach on each end of the loco, possibly to increase visibility as the driver could see through the wide windows of the autocar. I prefer the way you've run her though - you can't see the loco if it's stuck between two autocars!! Cheers, Lukas.
Thanks Lukas! I didn't really know either - I was really pleased to discover it though! Yeah that does sound sensible - maybe I should have done that in this video instead! haha that's very true though - probably better for review purposes this way! All the best, Sam :)
Usually an auto-train would consist of the locomotive, usually a 14xx like you’ve unboxed, but can be also a Panier tank or any other great western tank engine that is fitted for auto-train opperations, and just 1 auto-coach. However there have been occasions when 2 auto-coaches are used, in which case the locomotive would be sandwidged in the middle with the driver’s compartments at the other end of each coach. Hope this answers your question.
Thanks very much for this info Nick - I've run this in the 'sandwich' formation in more recent videos - thanks a lot for this! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Nice one Sam. Forgive me if anyone else has mentioned it but there are one or two old black and white videos of these combinations running on branch lines with the engine in the middle as you suspected.
Sam, there is a vid' of the Severn Valley Railway where the loco is in between 2 autocoaches. I think the idea is that it can then go in either direction but I'm not really sure !
What goes in between the locomotive and an auto-coach ( if you wanted to have two coaches either at the front of the loco or behind), would it be another auto-coach or a normal coach
Hi Steffan, I'm not too sure - but according to the comments, it'd have to be another auto-coach, because they have the mechanism on-board to transmit control to the driver! All the best, Sam :)
Did they really?! Surely that would bring it close to the loading gauge?! I'm sure they'd clip my footbridge anyway ;) Thanks so much for the kind comment, Sam :)
Thanks Sam for your reply. Yes, I bought many locos and coaches over eBay, new or in mint condition. And several new from Hattons, TMC, Time Tunnel Models, and Rails of Sheffield. My last dream loco I received was coming from Melbourne, Australia. And arrived me in excellent condition after a flight over 10,000 miles. All the best to you.
News by me Sam... Only one train set R2173 was offered on eBay. In excellent condition. I won just the auction for 63 GBP plus shipment costs. I'm so happy now.
haha yeah!! :D You can see Oliver with toad if you like - I showed him in my Thomas and friends video, here's the link for you! th-cam.com/video/ZGE9702_BYs/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The set probably came with two coaches cause the 14xx could be in the center of the two with one coach on each side, commonly they were only seen with one but they were seen if there was a rush for the train.
Hi! Thanks a lot for confirming that - that makes much more sense, but it must look very strange! Still, I'll have to do that some time, All the best and thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam I noticed one black engine, the rest being green. The lumps / bumps on the coach roofs are ventilators for fresh air in the coach compartments. I have seen pictures of 14xx locos sandwiched between two auto coaches so that is probably what Hornby had in mind. Apparently they call pull bull. The shape of those hand rails makes me wonder if they were intended to be horizontal across the end of the coach? Good review my friend, now if only I could get my Airfix one to run reliably. Cheers, David.
Hi David! Not quite - there were two black engines out there, so the odd one out was the only tender loco! That's fascinating about the lumps and bumps - I never knew that before today! Yeah, I wondered that - but the handrails came with a diagram, which showed how to fit them to the sides of the coach - they did fit on as you see, but I just felt they looked daft! Glad you liked the review - and haha, yeah I know your pain - definitely tricky little things! All the best mate, Sam :)
Very Nice Sam, I'm happy to see that Hornby used a different pickup, My Airfix model has spring loaded pins, Iove it dearly, but it's a real dog, the Auto coach is also Ex- Airfix tooling, Mine is from 1977 and is GWR Chocolate and Spilled Milk, and has been named "Didcot". These were mainly used for Branch work, and ran in a push-pull configuration, In peak hours they would run center. I don't think they were given any more than that but as suggested they were capable of pulling four, In reality they were out performed and out lived by the Panniers, Having said all that I'm saving up my meager pennies, based on this review, to get the pack, so no pressure buddy,,,, Regards Mark
Thanks a lot Mark - me too, definitely a worth while change! Yeah that's the same as my Airfix one then - definitely a bit dogish, but lovely when they run okay! Ahh yeah I suspected as much - I thought they looked very similar to the Hornby ones when I was shopping for this set! Thanks a lot for the info too, much appreciated and duly noted! That sounds good - it is a lovely pack - I think there's one on Ebay at the moment for £79 - not quite so good as £55, but still good for what you get - I think he's open to offers! All the best, Sam :)
The 14xxs work in just the same way as the 64xx in this video. The 64xxs with their small driving wheels and higher tractive effort were intended for the hills and valleys of south Wales, the larger driving wheels of the 14xxs were more suitable for routes with a higher line speed. The autotrains were rather successful, the GWR, LMS, LNER & Southern all used them in some form or another, though the GWR's are the most well known. Possibly due to the fact that everyone loves a 14xx. Suitable for low density rural traffic and tightly timed commuter services (with additional autotrailers), the GWR never had as many autotrailers as it wanted. The 14xx and 64xx were both successful & flexible enough locomotives that non-autofitted versions of both were built (the 58xx and 74xx respectively). At least 6 classes of GWR locomotive were fitted for autotrain work (517s, 2021s, 54xxs, 14xxs, 64xxs & 4575s). th-cam.com/video/I2xWgEbH47U/w-d-xo.html
Hi Adam, it should be possible, though they're not DCC ready, so you'll need to do some soldering, and get creative finding a space to store the decoder in the loco! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Echoing (very late!) the point about the engine being between the two coaches. But in model form that raises a serious point: how well do the different auto-coaches respond to being pushed around, with one or two (if the train has 3 or 4) in front of the engine? Next time you review an autocoach or other push-pull set you should try that out.
auto tank in the middle and the driver would control the whole kit and caboodle from each end as was necessary. There was a set called the ''Clifton Downs Set'' where there was an auto coach at each end of the train with the auto tank in the middle but there was also a coach between each auto coach and the auto tank engine., making up four coaches altogether.
Hi! Do you have Class 14xx/58xx 0-4-2T from DJ Models ? Maybe you did review of this engin already? I am considering to buy one, I like small engines with unusual wheel arrangement. Best regards.
As already stated. the loco always sits in-between the two auto-coaches, allowing the driver to drive the “train” from either end, depending on which direction it is going. Always a fireman in the loco to control the fire/water/steam & brakes, and in the Welsh Highland Railway version, communication between the driver and fireman is via a pre-determined number of rings on bells.
nice and you got oliver pulling Isabel and Dulcie his Gwr autocoaches from the Thomas and Friends railway series books. I'm not sure if Hornby makes Standalone Gwr Autocoach without the GWR 1400 Oliver since you would have combined it with your GWR 5700 Duck to create a Allice and Mirabel combination
Oh really?? I didn't know about Dulcie, that's very cool! Yeah I'm not sure either - maybe they did? They don't at the moment though, I'm pretty sure! Thanks very much for the comment, Sam :)
Hi! Thanks very much for that - I've never heard of that happening before - but that's really cool! I'll do that with mine some time then, and see what it looks like! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Wonderful as always mate, although I suspect there's a rather irate farmer somewhere along your line whose pig's taking joyride lessons from our cow friend!
These coach's handrails sticking out like this is actually quite prototypical and has a perfectly reasonable explanation: They're not only handrails but also there to operate the mechanical "non-platform-system" (I call it like that). You see, there were certain little lineside halts on branchlines along the Western Region which didn't have any platforms. So, the guard would sort of push out the handrails from the inside of the coach which were connected to an additional step at the coach's stairs. That would then flap out to the ground, so the passengers could get on/off board more easily.
Ooh really?! Blimey I didn't know that - thanks a lot for the info! I did google them in real life - the handrails still don't seem to stick out quite that much though, lol! All the best, Sam :)
Thanks Ian - yeah great film that one! Apparently they did run in the middle yeah - but they had a number of configurations too so I hear! Cheers mate, Sam :)
If an Auto Tank Engine were to be attached to two Auto Coaches, as they sometimes were in BR days, this is how the formation would go together: First, you'd have one carriage behind. Second, the tank engine would be attached to it bunker-first. Third, you'd have the other carriage in front of the engine. This has been recreated on the Llangollen Railway, with Auto-fitted Pannier Tank Engine 6430 sandwiched between two Auto Coaches. This is what you call a Steam-DMU.
These coaches are called slip coaches, the driver and fireman sit in the cab of the 14xx there were conductors in each cab and the bells on there would be rung and they will "slip" the couplers and apply the brakes and stop at the station. This way travel will be more efficient.
The auto coaches prevent the train from needing to turn around. The cab of the coach in the back faces backwards. Kinda like Toad the brakevan from Thomas. He always faces backwards. There’s even an episode where he wants to go forward for a change, but he finally does when the troublesome trucks break away from Oliver on Gordon’s Hill. To this day, it is still my favorite episode of the whole series.
shut up! i love 14xx and autocoaches and Sam this is such an excellent video, keep outdoing yourself the coaches were connected to a set of vaccum pipes similar to brake design which pressed air to the function directly in the engine like move forward. i wish it would be something simple like chains on the cab controls haha but it is a bit more technical two auto coaches behind a loco because they could want one or two coaches behind it. couldnt add any more though because the controls only worked as far as two coaches away I quite liked the handrails but were more private jet than steam engine, such a nice product tho would love an autocoach, and only main story i can remember from them was they were a pain as one of the only coaches that required a turntable or to go round an engine with a wye sorry for the rambles, excellent video cheers M :)
Hi Mark, thanks so much - really glad you like the 14xx! Oh is that so?? Someone told me it was chains - that sounds a bit more sensible though, haha! Ahh okay, that makes sense too - thanks very much! All the best, Sam :)
I have one of these but renumbered to 1424 in the same livery. Mine has a tendency of jumping over hornby points throwing the rear wheels off and dying!
The controls link under the engine and coaches and the 14xx could pull up to 4 auto coaches the 14xx would be in the middle for when they pull 4 auto coaches and in front when pulling two so the driver would go to the back coach when the train runs back down the line
Hi Sam, if you can find one because they are pretty rare, you should do a review of the hornby 'the caledonian' set. It's a great train and coach set that I have and I highly recommend it...
Hi! Thanks so much for the recommendation - is that the one with the caledonian single wheeler and the caledonian coaches?? I don't actually have the set, but I have the loco and 4 of the coaches - so I could re-created it if you wanted?? All the best, Sam :)
Hi Glenn, yes I took them off initially, when the ones that came with her were no good! The problem was that the wheels have recesses where the tyres sit - making the loco very unstable without them; lifting the front wheels from the track! I had to then buy another set of tyres, which has fixed the problem! All the best, Sam :)
Hey! Which loco is this? Minor vibrations are quite normal, unless they're very noticeable? Which loco and controller are you using? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
But yes - if it's for H0 gauge, it should have a 12v output, which is good for most if not all of the H0/00 trains you'll encounter! Cheers again, Sam :)
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Thank you so much for this. The 14xx's sometimes ran in between the two coaches and the driver sits in one coach going forward and when they go the other way the driver would get into the other coach but sometimes the 14xx would be at the front of the train, the pulleys and rods would connect throughout the train. Thanks again for this amazing video. I've got the AirFix model and it works well but not great
No problem! Thank you for watching! Thanks a lot for the info on the autotrain - much appreciated!
Yeah the airfix ones work okay once they're serviced - but as you know, it can be hard to do!
All the best,
Sam :)
It should be noted that they were mostly ran with the engine in between the coaches (when there were more than one), so that there was minimal play in the linkages.
Locomotive will sometimes go in the middle of the train,
Ah is that right? That makes some sense at least!
All the best,
Sam :)
This is a beautiful pack, and it looks even better passing the new hill. Thanks for sharing this with the world.
Thanks so much for the kind words! This was actually the old hill - I filmed this before I revamped it unfortunately :(
All the best mate,
Sam :)
Can't help but notice these things but that is Oliver from Thomas. I'm a huge nerd and waaaay to old for that show but I had to point it out XD
Also I did a little research and the loco DOES go in the middle
transparent lemon Well it can go in the middle but can also pull them from one end or push them from the other.
haha! That's okay - but yeah it is Oliver, he looks lovely! :D
That's really strange - but it does make sense, I'll give that a try!
Cheers,
Sam :)
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Ah. My favorite class of steam locomotive finaly reviewd. And now that Hornby is rereleasing the 14xx im probably going to get her and just one autocoach. Another great video Sam, cheers.
That's great to hear it's your favourite - sorry it took so long though! Yeah cool - they look pretty affordable too - I wonder if it's the same as this one, when it eventually comes?
Thanks again mate, always glad for your support,
Cheers,
Sam :)
The 14xx seems a amazing loco and i love the coaches they just go together so well suits its personality!
Thanks Jack, yeah they really do - they suit her beautifully!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
15:22 Bullman where have you been!?
haha! There we go! :D
Not sick after all! :D
he's been trying to help engines up the hills
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2:36 That's exactly right, generally autocoaches are formed like so: (M is representing the steam engine, DT the autocoaches)
1 Autocoach: M+DT or DT+M
2 Autocoaches: DT+M+DT, rarely M+DT+DT or DT+DT+M, due to linkage play.
3 Autocoaches: DT+M+DT+DT or DT+DT+M+DT,
4 Autocoaches: DT+DT+M+DT+DT
5+ Autocoaches: Not done due to too much play in linkages when 3 or more coaches from the engine.
wow they really could have as many as 4?
the lumps on the front of the autotrailers were the bell used when leaving the station
Oh yeah I noticed those bells - apparently they were 'gongs' to help communicate with the driver, haha!
All the best mate,
Sam :)
Very nice video! Love your channel Sam keep it up!
Thanks very much, really glad you like the channel!
All the best,
Sam :)
Great review man the engine and coaches look great it's amazing how they actually work it's different where I live the cars just have small motors
Thanks a lot for the comment - yeah it is amazing actually - a very clever system! That's only in real life though - these just have little motors too - but they're in the locomotives!
Cheers,
Sam :)
To answer your question at 2:33 the locos were usually in between the coaches kind of like a DMU only steam. Great review cheers Sam!
Hi! Thanks so much for the info - that sounds really unusual - I'd love to try that with mine!
All the best,
Sam :)
I love it. It looks like Oliver with his auto coaches on the little western.
Thanks!! Yeah it's just like Oliver actually - he was based on these! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
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Nice review Sam's Trains and I like your layout also my favorite loco is the 4F
Thanks so much for the kind words - glad you like the 4F - they are lovely engines!!
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
We need Hornby to make These again, DJ’s fall left a British railways 14xx with early lined emblem and a British railway 14xx with late lined emblem shape hole in my heart
Hopefully with a proper redesign to the mechanism, also the sprung trailing wheel screws up the pickups sometimes. A shame really, I still love my model of it, cute little thing, but runs like dogwater, especially with a load at %40> speed
I bought one auto coach but now I’m tempted to try and track one of these down just for that 14xx
Nice engine pack!
It's nice to see "Oliver" :)
Thanks very much mate, yeah it was nice to see him running again! :)
All the best,
Sam :)
nice video. so excited to see tornado at the bodmin&wenford railway :)
Thanks Kieren, much appreciated! Ooh nice - hope you have a great time mate!
Cheers,
Sam :)
15:23 MOOOOOVE OFF THE TRACKS! hehe great video sam! :)
hahaha! Very well said!! :D
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it!
All the best,
Sam :)
Where two auto-coaches were used, one was each end of the train with obviously in the middle. No problem with vision at all. Nice review as usual Sam
Yes you're right Kevin - others have said the same!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
In fact samstrains, in america the the autocoach idea has been adapted into commuter railroads as a cabcar, a car used as a locomotive control for the back, but instead of chains, wires are used, usually used on amtrak and stuff.
Ahh that's awesome - thanks for the fun fact! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
A nice set
Really like the carriages
Thanks very much for the comment -yeah the coaches are awesome! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
looked forwad to this for a long time I appreciate the shout out as well
Thanks Michael, and no problem at all mate - glad you enjoyed it!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam...nice review....looks like a nice set to acquire.....the the things on the roof are what we used to call torpedoes at the carriage works ...they move with the air flow to let ventilation into the coach ......thanks for showing...fred
Hi Fred, many thanks mate - yeah its quite a lovely set actually! Oh wow - you know I never knew that - thanks so much for the info, that's really interesting!
No problem, thank you for watching!
Cheers,
Sam :)
A pleasure SAM !
Nice review Sam
the 48xx / 14xx could handle multiple auto coaches, when running with two the loco was often sandwiched in the middle, this gave the driver in the cab(s) a better view of the line ahead than when driving from the loco. This was important when working on light and often unfenced branch lines. It was also common for a couple of non-corridor coaches, normally a 'B-Set' to be coupled between the loco and the auto coach, and it was also common on branch auto trains to tow a fitted goods wagon or two at the rear of the train.
Originally, when the early auto trains started the fireman did the actually driving whilst the driver gave him instructions via a series of bell codes. Later this was improved so the brakes and regulator were controlled direct from the auto coach, other controls being still worked by the fireman through bell codes. The 48xx/14xx tanks weren't the only auto fitted locos the GWR had. the earlier Dean 517 0-4-2T's (which the 48xx/14xx locos were developed from) were fitted as were some members of Dean 455 'Metro' 2-4-0T's. Later some pannier tanks of the Dean 1076 and 2021 classes were fitted out to work auto trains and a sub class of Collets 57xx panniers, the 64xx were also built for auto working. Then in 1930 Collet introduced the 54xx pannier tanks specially for auto working. Finally in the 1940's a number of 4575 class small prairie 2-6-2t were also auto fitted.
Funnily enough the GWR also had the 58xx class 0-4-2T, which were exactly the same as the 48xx/14xx locos, but were not auto-fitted and used mainly for branch line goods workings.
The growths on top of the coaches are ventilators, early air conditioning.
Fair marks and its good see GWR tanks doing their thing.
Keep streaming
Jon
PS - Odd one out - The Churchward County 4-4-0, cos a) its the only tender loco on show, and b) it was the only class of loco on show not to pass into BR ownership.
Hi Jon, thanks very much mate! I've just watched a video with the 14xx sandwiched between multiple coaches - a very unusual sight, but brilliant to see!
Thanks for all the information - It really is a terribly interesting system - very good idea too, even if it didn't work all that well!
Thanks for the info on the growths too - I never knew that before today either!
All the best mate - and well done with the odd one out!
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
just seeing this, and OMG THANK U FINALLY U DID ONE OF MY FAV TANK ENGINES, DUCK, OLIVER, AND ALL THAT STUFF! I LUV THE GWR TRAINS thx sam a bunch. also how old r u?
haha that's good mate - really glad you liked it! :D
I'm 21! :)
Cheers,
Sam :)
wow sam again lovely fleet of GWR engines you have!!!! o my favourite railway drand :D
sam
Hi Sam, thanks so much mate - yeah I'm very fond of them too!
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
yes why i loike them is because my first train set was in the GWR green!!
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well she's definitely a grest little loco!! I love the idea of auto coaches, considering she runs a traction tire she seems to run pretty well , and the detail isn't half bad either !! - all the best mate
Thanks very much! Yeah it's such a clever idea - apparently it didn't work too well though, haha!
Glad you enjoyed seeing it anyway,
Cheers,
Sam :)
Yes, normally the loco goes in the middle of the two auto coaches. The driver stands in the cab at the front and controls the regulator, while the fireman is on the loco footplate looking after the steam and I suppose brakes.
Thanks a lot for the info Richard! :D
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The driver opporates the loco from the autocoach which isn't facing anything else. All are built the same to allow the pullies to work for each coach or to run through it (like an 8 car EMU). The fireman stays in the cab to maintain fire and water and to make sure no major mistakes happen. Hope that helps, Alex.
Hi Alex, thanks very much for clearing that up - yeah that does make sense!
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Sam :)
Yes Sam, they did pull/use two, one at each end the train in the middle.
Thanks for confirming that Kevin - I'll run them again like that at some point!
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Hi Sam, others may already have pointed out that the handrails should have been fitted the other way up so they slope under the coaches but don't stick out as you had them. And yes they did use to run as a "sandwich", with the loco in between a coach at either end, or even two coaches either end.
Ahh okay, thanks for that Mike - I might have another go with those then! That is an interesting formation - I've done that a few times since this video, it's certainly very unusual!
All the best,
Sam :)
I had one of the Airfix 14xx models when I was very small, so it must be at least 30-35 years old now. Sadly I missed this or I'd buy a pack for nostalgia value.
Hi Sam, I have a bit of a dilemma and was wondering if you might be able to help. I own a Hornby Thomas the tank Oliver which I believe is similar to the 14xx you show in this video, the Hornby Oliver was bought pre-owned and is missing the traction tires on the second set of large wheels, I believe because of this the engine shakes around while running on my layout (which is a standard Hornby circuit so it shouldn’t be the fault of the track), do you know if the shaking is related to the lack of traction tires or could it be some other reason often found on 14xx’s ?, what would you recommend I’d do to fix this problem ?, I’m note sure if it’s even possible to find replacement traction tires for this engine any more.
Thanks, Sam.
Yes if it's missing tyres, the performance will be much worse - you effectively have part of the wheel missing! Take a look on Ebay and see if you can get spare tyres - they used to be available!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oliver, Isabel, Dulcie!
Oh my inner Thomas fan is raving
haha yeah! I've only found out about Isabel and Dulcie through these comments - otherwise I would have mentioned them in the video!
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
The 48XX/14XX was originally a differently numbered train (I think), but when they modified some of them for the auto coaches, they made the new sub-class of the famous 0-4-2T
Ahh okay, thanks a lot for the info - duly noted!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Have you seen the DJ Models version? Nice detail of the valve mechanism, between the frames. Just awaiting the new Hornby Autocoaches to complete the set.
Hi Tom, no I've not seen it in the flesh - but it looks very very impressive! It should be though, for £100!
I had a quick look on the Hornby site - those new ones look lovely in their liveries - they do look like the same tooling as these ones though!
All the best,
Sam :)
My dad had a Horby 's big box train set so many years ago. It was just a wind-up loco with 2 passenger cars. ( look alike one in this clip).I hope to see it again if you please. Thanks a lot.
Ooh that sounds pretty cool - I'd love to find one! :D
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Hi Sam excellent review as always - I didn't know this train pack existed!! £55 is a bargain for her!! I think it was that quite often there would be one autocoach on each end of the loco, possibly to increase visibility as the driver could see through the wide windows of the autocar. I prefer the way you've run her though - you can't see the loco if it's stuck between two autocars!! Cheers, Lukas.
Thanks Lukas! I didn't really know either - I was really pleased to discover it though! Yeah that does sound sensible - maybe I should have done that in this video instead! haha that's very true though - probably better for review purposes this way!
All the best,
Sam :)
Usually an auto-train would consist of the locomotive, usually a 14xx like you’ve unboxed, but can be also a Panier tank or any other great western tank engine that is fitted for auto-train opperations, and just 1 auto-coach. However there have been occasions when 2 auto-coaches are used, in which case the locomotive would be sandwidged in the middle with the driver’s compartments at the other end of each coach. Hope this answers your question.
Thanks very much for this info Nick - I've run this in the 'sandwich' formation in more recent videos - thanks a lot for this!
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Oh Man I love the 14xx classes that all inspiring plus oliver is my favorite character
That's great to hear - yeah I like Oliver too, hehe!
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Sam :)
Also I love your Thomas and Friends shunting challenges.
Ahh thanks mate - I love doing them too! :D
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Sam :)
Nice one Sam. Forgive me if anyone else has mentioned it but there are one or two old black and white videos of these combinations running on branch lines with the engine in the middle as you suspected.
Thanks very much for this David, I'll be sure to look that one up!
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Sam, there is a vid' of the Severn Valley Railway where the loco is in between 2 autocoaches. I think the idea is that it can then go in either direction but I'm not really sure !
Yeah you're absolutely right - they went in almost any formation it seems! :D
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Nice set. I wish I had a layout so I could get it!
Thanks a lot mate! Ahh hopefully you can do one day! :D
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Sam :)
What goes in between the locomotive and an auto-coach ( if you wanted to have two coaches either at the front of the loco or behind), would it be another auto-coach or a normal coach
Hi Steffan, I'm not too sure - but according to the comments, it'd have to be another auto-coach, because they have the mechanism on-board to transmit control to the driver!
All the best,
Sam :)
Very nice Set!
Splendid Review!
That's the Great Western Way. ;)
haha! Thanks a lot mate - it certainly is! :D
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Sam :)
Oliver The Great Western Engine indeed it is oliver
Oliver The Great Western Engine oh deer
Oliver The Great Western Engine Duck doesn't seem to be speaking about the great western way since season 20
Oliver are you becoming Duck quack quack
The hand rails look like that cause that's kinda how they looked on the real thing, also awesome video Sam.
Did they really?! Surely that would bring it close to the loading gauge?! I'm sure they'd clip my footbridge anyway ;)
Thanks so much for the kind comment,
Sam :)
Only difference I saw was that the real ones are actually curved, unlike the ones for the model which were bent into shape
Extra nice train set. Wish to have one too.
Thanks very much Norbert! You can still get these on Ebay - sometimes they get posted, if you wanted one! :D
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Thanks Sam for your reply. Yes, I bought many locos and coaches over eBay, new or in mint condition. And several new from Hattons, TMC, Time Tunnel Models, and Rails of Sheffield. My last dream loco I received was coming from Melbourne, Australia. And arrived me in excellent condition after a flight over 10,000 miles. All the best to you.
News by me Sam... Only one train set R2173 was offered on eBay. In excellent condition. I won just the auction for 63 GBP plus shipment costs. I'm so happy now.
Now you've got Oliver and Duck for your layout! ^^
haha yeah!! :D
You can see Oliver with toad if you like - I showed him in my Thomas and friends video, here's the link for you!
th-cam.com/video/ZGE9702_BYs/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
The set probably came with two coaches cause the 14xx could be in the center of the two with one coach on each side, commonly they were only seen with one but they were seen if there was a rush for the train.
Hi! Thanks a lot for confirming that - that makes much more sense, but it must look very strange! Still, I'll have to do that some time,
All the best and thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Those "growths" are actually covers for the gas lights that would give the coach inside light during tunnels or during the nighttime
Ahh, thanks for that Simon, some said it was for ventilation - but covers for gas lights sounds very feasible too!
All the best,
Sam :)
Is the 14xx the same size as the jinty or is it smaller
Those vacuum pipes are huge!
haha yeah they are actually - I guess the size of the loco makes them look even bigger too :3
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Sam :)
Hi Sam I noticed one black engine, the rest being green. The lumps / bumps on the coach roofs are ventilators for fresh air in the coach compartments. I have seen pictures of 14xx locos sandwiched between two auto coaches so that is probably what Hornby had in mind. Apparently they call pull bull. The shape of those hand rails makes me wonder if they were intended to be horizontal across the end of the coach? Good review my friend, now if only I could get my Airfix one to run reliably. Cheers, David.
Hi David! Not quite - there were two black engines out there, so the odd one out was the only tender loco! That's fascinating about the lumps and bumps - I never knew that before today!
Yeah, I wondered that - but the handrails came with a diagram, which showed how to fit them to the sides of the coach - they did fit on as you see, but I just felt they looked daft! Glad you liked the review - and haha, yeah I know your pain - definitely tricky little things!
All the best mate,
Sam :)
Very Nice Sam, I'm happy to see that Hornby used a different pickup, My Airfix model has spring loaded pins, Iove it dearly, but it's a real dog, the Auto coach is also Ex- Airfix tooling, Mine is from 1977 and is GWR Chocolate and Spilled Milk, and has been named "Didcot". These were mainly used for Branch work, and ran in a push-pull configuration, In peak hours they would run center. I don't think they were given any more than that but as suggested they were capable of pulling four, In reality they were out performed and out lived by the Panniers, Having said all that I'm saving up my meager pennies, based on this review, to get the pack, so no pressure buddy,,,, Regards Mark
Thanks a lot Mark - me too, definitely a worth while change! Yeah that's the same as my Airfix one then - definitely a bit dogish, but lovely when they run okay! Ahh yeah I suspected as much - I thought they looked very similar to the Hornby ones when I was shopping for this set! Thanks a lot for the info too, much appreciated and duly noted! That sounds good - it is a lovely pack - I think there's one on Ebay at the moment for £79 - not quite so good as £55, but still good for what you get - I think he's open to offers!
All the best,
Sam :)
i se the mysterious man from the last video gave you the camera back :P Great video BTW
haha, yeah he did - he's now buried in the garden! Glad you enjoyed it mate! ;D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Great video Sam, oh and I think 12:44 is the odd one out as it has no GWR livery
Thanks very much!! Yeah I'll accept that, but I was thinking of the only tender engine!
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Sam :)
its nice seeing a fully working 14xx I've got one called 1421 got off eBay for £40
Thanks very much - yeah they are lovely aren't they? That sounds a good price - does it run okay then??
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Sam :)
Sam'sTrains yea it seems to run fine can only pull 2 or 3 coaches and is load but other than that is a fantastic locomotive
The 14xxs work in just the same way as the 64xx in this video. The 64xxs with their small driving wheels and higher tractive effort were intended for the hills and valleys of south Wales, the larger driving wheels of the 14xxs were more suitable for routes with a higher line speed. The autotrains were rather successful, the GWR, LMS, LNER & Southern all used them in some form or another, though the GWR's are the most well known. Possibly due to the fact that everyone loves a 14xx. Suitable for low density rural traffic and tightly timed commuter services (with additional autotrailers), the GWR never had as many autotrailers as it wanted. The 14xx and 64xx were both successful & flexible enough locomotives that non-autofitted versions of both were built (the 58xx and 74xx respectively). At least 6 classes of GWR locomotive were fitted for autotrain work (517s, 2021s, 54xxs, 14xxs, 64xxs & 4575s). th-cam.com/video/I2xWgEbH47U/w-d-xo.html
Ahh very interesting! Thanks very much for that one mate,
All the best,
Sam :)
I want a Hornby 14xx but my layout runs on DCC, so is it possible that you can fit a decoder in the Hornby 14xx?
Hi Adam, it should be possible, though they're not DCC ready, so you'll need to do some soldering, and get creative finding a space to store the decoder in the loco!
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Echoing (very late!) the point about the engine being between the two coaches. But in model form that raises a serious point: how well do the different auto-coaches respond to being pushed around, with one or two (if the train has 3 or 4) in front of the engine? Next time you review an autocoach or other push-pull set you should try that out.
I'm getting a 14xx for Christmas!
That's fantastic - hope you enjoy it mate! :D
All the best,
Sam :)
Thanks!
I have a question do you want it for Xmas or do you actually know your getting it ?
No disrespect.
I believe that the 14xx's could pull 4 auto coaches, 2 behind and 2 infront,
Autocoach sandwich
haha yeah! More like a burger though - all that fire would make the loco hot, not cold like cheese ;D
All the best,
Sam :)
If you can go and get Hornby Oliver to compare with his basis, that would be great!
Sam'sTrains I wonder if Hornby will make working slip coaches.
That is a great idea, but it would probably be rather expensive
but we can all dream ;)
Also thanks for the little Shout out. :)
No problem! Thank you for all your lovely support!
Cheers,
Sam :)
@Flame Master Well I'm sure you know the story how Douglas saved me all those years ago. ;)
auto tank in the middle and the driver would control the whole kit and caboodle from each end as was necessary. There was a set called the ''Clifton Downs Set'' where there was an auto coach at each end of the train with the auto tank in the middle but there was also a coach between each auto coach and the auto tank engine., making up four coaches altogether.
Hi Kevin, thanks a lot for the info on that - I'll experiment with some different formations then! :D
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
My pleasure.
Hi! Do you have Class 14xx/58xx 0-4-2T from DJ Models ? Maybe you did review of this engin already? I am considering to buy one, I like small engines with unusual wheel arrangement. Best regards.
I don't sadly - I don't want to buy any more DJM locos - and I don't recommend them to be honest :(
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The locomotive goes in the middle. The Devon preservation line runs an auto train with a GWR panier locomotive in the middle
This configuration is also known as push-pull in which you can operate the train from both ends
Duly noted David, thanks for the info! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
That 14xx certainly does look smart... and familiar! ;)
Gotta love these little tank engines. I always preferred them over the bigger engines.
haha thanks mate... I wonder why it looks familiar?! ;D
Glad you liked it mate,
Sam :)
GWR Oliver hey
One of my favorite Tank Engines
i wish i had a model railway
Yeah they are really lovely!
Maybe one day eih??
All the best,
Sam :)
I wish you the best too
The engine what i will love to obtain is The Big Bertha
Great video! IS the odd one out the County Class because it is a tender engine? :)
Thanks very much mate, yeah that's right - well done as always! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
As already stated. the loco always sits in-between the two auto-coaches, allowing the driver to drive the “train” from either end, depending on which direction it is going. Always a fireman in the loco to control the fire/water/steam & brakes, and in the Welsh Highland Railway version, communication between the driver and fireman is via a pre-determined number of rings on bells.
Many thanks for confirming Bob, appreciate the info!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
You're welcome Sam. Enjoying your videos. Keep up the good work...
the auto coach is so cool, I've got it in train sim
Oh really?! Wow, can you drive from it then?? :D
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Sam :)
nice and you got oliver pulling Isabel and Dulcie his Gwr autocoaches from the Thomas and Friends railway series books. I'm not sure if Hornby makes Standalone Gwr Autocoach without the GWR 1400 Oliver since you would have combined it with your GWR 5700 Duck to create a Allice and Mirabel combination
Oh really?? I didn't know about Dulcie, that's very cool! Yeah I'm not sure either - maybe they did? They don't at the moment though, I'm pretty sure!
Thanks very much for the comment,
Sam :)
Sometimes they put the 14XX between the two Autocoaches which means the driver can go to either cab depending on which way the train is going
Yeah absolutely! I've done that a few times on my channel since this video :3
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Sam :)
I've seen two GWR 14xxs one at the South Devon railway ,that is 1420, and the other I've seen is at the Severn valley railway and that is 1450.
Ooh fantastic - I don't know that I've ever seen one, so you're very lucky! :D
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Sam :)
atotrain power and 14xx and the engines did run with 1-4 atocochis 2 in front and 2 in back lovely video and engin too
Oh really? Blimey, I didn't realise it'd be that many!
Thanks for watching mate,
Sam :)
2:35 sometimes they did sandwich where one autocoach is at the front and a autocoach at the rear and the locomotive in the middle.
Hi! Thanks very much for that - I've never heard of that happening before - but that's really cool! I'll do that with mine some time then, and see what it looks like!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Wonderful as always mate, although I suspect there's a rather irate farmer somewhere along your line whose pig's taking joyride lessons from our cow friend!
haha, thanks a lot - really glad you enjoyed it! haha the giant pig was returned safely - don't worry, lol!
All the best mate,
Sam :)
These coach's handrails sticking out like this is actually quite prototypical and has a perfectly reasonable explanation: They're not only handrails but also there to operate the mechanical "non-platform-system" (I call it like that). You see, there were certain little lineside halts on branchlines along the Western Region which didn't have any platforms. So, the guard would sort of push out the handrails from the inside of the coach which were connected to an additional step at the coach's stairs. That would then flap out to the ground, so the passengers could get on/off board more easily.
Ooh really?! Blimey I didn't know that - thanks a lot for the info! I did google them in real life - the handrails still don't seem to stick out quite that much though, lol!
All the best,
Sam :)
He did fit them upside down !
Always loved the 14xx after seeing titfeild thunderbolt. Great film Sam. They did run in the middle with a coach at both ends or as you ran them.
Thanks Ian - yeah great film that one! Apparently they did run in the middle yeah - but they had a number of configurations too so I hear!
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
No worries. Hope you get the turn table sort.
You put the handrails the right way and you put the loco in the middle of the auto coaches sometimes
Thanks Joseph, duly noted! :D
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can you please get brown and white auto coaches for the 14xx
If an Auto Tank Engine were to be attached to two Auto Coaches, as they sometimes were in BR days, this is how the formation would go together: First, you'd have one carriage behind. Second, the tank engine would be attached to it bunker-first. Third, you'd have the other carriage in front of the engine. This has been recreated on the Llangollen Railway, with Auto-fitted Pannier Tank Engine 6430 sandwiched between two Auto Coaches. This is what you call a Steam-DMU.
Cool! Thanks for this Kelly - now I know!! :D
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When using two auto coaches the loco sat between them with one coach each end
Yeah that's true - thanks for letting me know! I did that the next time I ran the pack :3
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Sam :)
These coaches are called slip coaches, the driver and fireman sit in the cab of the 14xx there were conductors in each cab and the bells on there would be rung and they will "slip" the couplers and apply the brakes and stop at the station. This way travel will be more efficient.
Ahh very interesting - thanks so much for the information there! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
The auto coaches prevent the train from needing to turn around. The cab of the coach in the back faces backwards. Kinda like Toad the brakevan from Thomas. He always faces backwards. There’s even an episode where he wants to go forward for a change, but he finally does when the troublesome trucks break away from Oliver on Gordon’s Hill. To this day, it is still my favorite episode of the whole series.
Thanks a lot for the info on this, duly noted! :D
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shut up! i love 14xx and autocoaches and Sam this is such an excellent video, keep outdoing yourself
the coaches were connected to a set of vaccum pipes similar to brake design which pressed air to the function directly in the engine like move forward. i wish it would be something simple like chains on the cab controls haha but it is a bit more technical
two auto coaches behind a loco because they could want one or two coaches behind it. couldnt add any more though because the controls only worked as far as two coaches away
I quite liked the handrails but were more private jet than steam engine, such a nice product tho would love an autocoach, and only main story i can remember from them was they were a pain as one of the only coaches that required a turntable or to go round an engine with a wye
sorry for the rambles, excellent video
cheers M :)
Hi Mark, thanks so much - really glad you like the 14xx! Oh is that so?? Someone told me it was chains - that sounds a bit more sensible though, haha!
Ahh okay, that makes sense too - thanks very much!
All the best,
Sam :)
I'm across the pond but adore these machines; where do you recommend I order one from?
I think Ebay might be your best bet - go second hand if I were you; the latest Hornby release wasn't very reliable!
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I have one of these but renumbered to 1424 in the same livery. Mine has a tendency of jumping over hornby points throwing the rear wheels off and dying!
Yeah I've noticed that they are pretty unstable, particularly on pointwork!
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The controls link under the engine and coaches and the 14xx could pull up to 4 auto coaches the 14xx would be in the middle for when they pull 4 auto coaches and in front when pulling two so the driver would go to the back coach when the train runs back down the line
Hi mate, thanks so much for the information! So it was okay for her to run in the formation I showed during the video?
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Sam :)
Sam'sTrains yes
And your welcome
The 14xx is my favourite tank engine.
Ooh good choice! :D
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Sam :)
Looks great wish my 14xx worked but sadly I need a new motor for it
Thanks David - ahh sorry to hear that - is it the Airfix one or the Hornby one??
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Sam :)
Sam'sTrains it is you guessed it an airfix one
Sam’s Trains I mostly like and love the steam locomotive engine called the GWR 1400 Class better more than the passenger coach cars.
Thanks again Mark - that's great to hear! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam, if you can find one because they are pretty rare, you should do a review of the hornby 'the caledonian' set. It's a great train and coach set that I have and I highly recommend it...
Hi! Thanks so much for the recommendation - is that the one with the caledonian single wheeler and the caledonian coaches?? I don't actually have the set, but I have the loco and 4 of the coaches - so I could re-created it if you wanted??
All the best,
Sam :)
Hi Sam, yes that is the set, it's a fabulous locomotive, it's a shame they only made 3000 sets...
The 14xx is my favorite locomotive
That's great to hear - they are lovely! :3
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam. Have you ever been tempted to remove the traction tyres? Cheers, Glenn.
Hi Glenn, yes I took them off initially, when the ones that came with her were no good! The problem was that the wheels have recesses where the tyres sit - making the loco very unstable without them; lifting the front wheels from the track! I had to then buy another set of tyres, which has fixed the problem!
All the best,
Sam :)
i recently got my first loco and wondered if it was normal if it had a miner vibrating or it could be my controller thanks
Hey! Which loco is this? Minor vibrations are quite normal, unless they're very noticeable? Which loco and controller are you using?
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Sam'sTrains it is the Hornsby railroad br industry
Hey Sam you know like a normal bachmann set you buy in stores it has the basic 16v controller
Hi Grant - yes I assume it should be fine - though I can check for sure, if you can find the product number?? :)
All the best mate,
Sam :)
But yes - if it's for H0 gauge, it should have a 12v output, which is good for most if not all of the H0/00 trains you'll encounter!
Cheers again,
Sam :)