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14:45 Maybe it's just me being a Jinx fan, but I honestly think she thought she was shooting the rocket into an empty building. Maybe a guard or two like we saw when Jayce and Viktor were breaking in.
I feel like Caitlyn holds a considerable amount of restraint with her hatred for Jinx when you remember Jinx broke into her bathroom to kidnap her, gag in a chair, and tell Vi to shoot her. Five minutes later, mom is dead. Not to mention she blew up her buddies. I wouldn’t even entertain mercy.💀
Literally! and on top of that the woman you love still loving and defending the person that did all that to you💀. (Not that I’m against Vi at all, ofc she still loves her sister but yeah)
@@00JAN3 I mean, I'm sorry, Vi literally gave her permission to shoot Jinx, helped her achieve that even, abandoned everything she believed in and joined the Piltover cops and then Caitlyn physically assaults and insults Vi because... she stopped her from shooting at a small child. Nah, that's not "a considerable amount of restraint" nor can I excuse it. And I don't hold any resentment against Caitlyn for hating Jinx or wanting vengeance. But her treatment of Vi and literally starting a tyrant police state that continuously attacks the people of Zaun? Hell nah.
@ what does this have to do with what I said? but to clarify Caitlyn does not hit Vi because Vi stopped her from shooting isha she hits Vi because Vi compares her to Jinx (which obviously still wasn't okay). Also she did not start a tyrant police state huh? Regardless that wasn't what I was referring too.
the part i was confused... so jinx knocked down the kait when she was naked... did jinx put her clothes back on or when kait was awake and told her to put clothes back on then took her the place meeting with silco and vi?
About Jinx and Caitlyn scene, I saw someone pointed out that when Jinx said "i didn't know your mother was there" the camera focused on Caitlyn ear bc thats what she needed to hear. And when Jinx said "it wouldn't make a difference" the camera focus on Jinx's mouth bc thats what she needed to say. Caitlyn also let Vi break Jinx out of jail even knowing she could may never seee her again. And Vi didn't know Jinx was talking abt offing herself, last time she went somewhat unhinged, she blew things up and thats what Vi thinks she will do.
One of the things I really, really don't like about Arcane's fandom is how selective their memory is and how hypocritical they can be when it's convenient for their favorite character. Like grief and pain can be an excuse for homicide and terrorism, but only if Jinx does it? Why is Caitlyn's grief somehow less important? She was a girl thrown into a position of power, in a moment of severe mental instability while also being manipulated by a warmongering Noxian commander, who only intended to work her grief to her advantage + use her fragile power seat as a way to basically do whatever she wants without consequences. Of course, she did things out of rage for Jinx, and that's bad... But anyone else with a beating heart would have done the same, if we were in her position! And that's why you shouldn't give power to someone that's going through such a traumatic period of grief and rage, because if you do, you might as a well throw fuel to the flame: which is exactly what Ambessa wanted, and that's why she chose her as Piltover's ruler.
Jinx quite literally doesnt know any better shes been raised in zaun and by silco to be a criminal. Caits switch up was random and quite evil to her character completley throwing he morals for grief? the difference is Cait DOES know better. Jinx is a hurt victim trying to get through
@@aenaryko6176 But she clearly does know the grief of losing loved ones -- she's experienced it *multiple* times. She's been convinced that killing can be justified for a cause, but her first attack on Piltover was not for a cause, but as retribution. Caitlyn has a very personal and valid reason to go on a crusade against Jinx. Jinx nearly killed her on the bridge, broke into her home to assault and kidnap her, and rewarded Caitlyn's mercy at the end of season 1 with a dead mother and a hometown in disarray. What had Caitlyn done to Jinx before this point?
Vi and Cait language is not one on what you want. They show their apologies with actions. Cait keeping Vi from being spied by guards. Cait going through with Vi's plan to free Vander showed Vi how much she cares. Cait trusting Vi on freeing Jinx despite losing her mom, is the Ultimate apology. Actions always show more than words.
@@eaban93 also there is one quote from hazbin hotel (which they both watched) that Montana should remember "words are cheap but actions they speak the truth"
I feel like the fact that well both of them but Cait in particular is kinda reserved at expressing herself through words and prefers action is a big part of why so many people don't seem to get the character at all.
I don't think that's exclusive to Cait and Vi. Many characters do good that suits an apology. One could easily frame many of Jinx's actions in season 2 the same way.
"There's no good version of me." This quote hits really hard after what we saw in episode seven. The scene is heartbreaking, but I'm glad Jinx is wishing her sister happiness.
Caitlyn was powerless as she saw her girlfriend’s terrorist of a sister kill her mother. It doesn’t justify Caitlyn abandoning Vi, almost shooting Isha, and working with Ambessa, but I don’t think it’s fair to be pissed at Caitlyn for locking up Jinx.
Facts, the actions/events that happens makes us understand her better but it’s not an excuse/justify of her reactions to it. Anyw yeha Cait put Jix in prison cause Jix was like imma jusr head inside, but also Jinx commited a crime, the counsel thing so she had to be held at least for some time, probably not for the rest of her life but just some time.
I think Kenny's got it exactly right. "At this point so many bad things have been done by all of the characters (...) that at some point you have to put down the tally if people are being good in the moment" That's it! That's one of the themes! We saw it in episode 7 with Vander and Silco having the strength to forgive each other despite already having been past the drowning/stabbing scene and blaming each other for their friends' death... and clearly the Undercity reaped the benefits! The counter to Viktor's "our human emotions are the cause of all of our woes" is that violence is not the only cyclical thing, so is forgiveness. Like Pumanity (sp?) pointed out, Piltover and Zaun were once united and they can be so again, despite all the awful that has happened. Just like Vander and Silco in that other universe, or Vi and Jinx for a short while, or Jinx and Sevika, or... SPOILERS FOR THE FINAL EPISODE Ekko and Jinx or our boys Jayce and Viktor. Forgiveness and understanding are the balm to how monstrous we can all be, remembering what brings us together in the first place. "It's never too late to build something new."
The entire damn show is about love and about living for a better tomorrow no matter the past is ultimately the only way to truly break the cycle of violence. Ekko pretty much spells it out next episode at the star when he's talking to Jinx.
They probably have almost half a dozen interactions that basically say this theme of "you've got to be able to put the past aside for a better future" out loud. Episode 7 with Powder and Ekko: "Sometimes taking a step forward means leaving a few things behind" Episode 7 with Silco and Vander: "Greatest thing we can do in life is find the power to forgive" Episode 8 with Silco and Jinx: "Break the cycle" Plus the times in episode 9.
I don't understand how people hate Cait and in the same breath defend Jinx. She is in my opinion completely justified in hating Jinx, Jinx killed her Mom, blew up Caitlyn twice, kidnapped her from her home as she was naked, held her at gunpoint and threatened to kill her or get Vi to kill her multiple times. Up to this point Cait had done nothing to deserve this. She was essantially a Mall-Cop guarding tents and was kept from doing any "real" Enforcer stuff, she was the only person strictly going after the person (Jinx) behind the attack and theft or hextech, while the rest of Piltover thought structural oppression would be better and she didnt hurt anyone while in Zaun. Jinx on the other hand, while heavily manipulated by Silco, killed many Zaunites, both Firelights and enemies to Silco, kidnapped an innocent Cait because she was jealous of her relationship with Vi. None of them is innocent but saying one is better than the other when they so clearly mirror each other is wild in my opinion.
100% this. I understand personal bias based on your own worldview and experiences in life, but some people let that blind them so much it's kind of silly. We excuse a murdering terrorist, because she has mental issues and was unlucky enough to be born in the wrong place (neither which is her fault and shouldn't be used to rule against her), but damn the person who in every interaction previous to this season (and in it honestly), has been empathetic to most people she comes across, always trying to do the right thing, also naive but open to being proven wrong about her own biases. Like yes, Caitlyn did go down a really dark path which she needs to be held accountable for, even if she was manipulated into it. But come on.
"Innocent Cait" she's a cop. Why is it so hard to understand, that a lot of people just don't vibe with cops and/or rich people, who can abuse their power to reach their goals. And people will sympathize more with an oppressed character, who was *truly* manipulated since thier childhood (jinx). "She did turn Zaun into a controlled area and arrested a bunch of people but everything she did she did under the intention of finding Jinx not abuse Zaunites"... is just an insane take, sorry, and why are we defending martial law here, hello? No amount of “she didn’t mean to” changes the fact that during the “months of peacekeeping occupation” she controlled oppressed zaunites to the point they rioted (and were heavily punished for that) Look, I love Cait, but I don't like or defend her actions at all. I wish her story went differently, I wish we saw more of caitlyns internal conflicts because she is SO complex, I wish we had like a whole episode alone with her and her inner turmoils, but we didn't. So, if I judge her character solely on the context of the show, I very clearly see how people can dislike her.
@ Honestly I agree. I'll remove the part about martial law. My point is simply I feel like a lot of people act like Cait become a monster after she became Marshall and I feel like thats a bit over the top. Although she was still very horrible and acted like she was in the right, which she was not. I still stand by my statement that Season 1 Cait really didnt deserve the focussed hate she got from Jinx and people defending that Jinx or forgetting about what that Jinx did is kinda weird if they are not willing to at least give Cait a chance and just flat out act like she is the worst person in the show. I totally understand why people sympathize with the opressed people of Zaun more, I do too. My favourite character is still Ekko. I just think that Jinx has done a lot of things that were neither against oppression nor for survival that deserve criticism that she doesnt get.
@@olanintolai get it but y'all also can't be mad when someone points out the bias and how y'all act towards Cait the same way cops acts towards the oppressed.
Yes Cait is justified in hating Jinx. She is not justified in funding an oppressive government, becoming the leader of a military dictatorship, implementing martial law, harming civilians with extremely dangerous long lasting gas, oppressing freedom of transportation for members of the undercity and then finally RECEIVING ABSOLUTELY NO PUNISHMENT OR CONSEQUENCES FOR HER CRIMES. Jinx and Silco were punished over and over again, and as far as we know, both of them died for their crimes. There’s this saying “all cops are bastards”, that serves for Cait as well.
I am definitely of the opinion that one, if not the central, theme of this season is that the past defines us BUT what we've done in the past is less important than what we will do in the future. If we truly intend to change for the better, "it's never too late to build something new" And that's why I think seeing Caitlyn "grovel" might have been satisfying to an audience but would have actually gone a much shorter way toward earning forgiveness than what she actually did in these final episodes, which was to perform actions that actually helped the people she hurt in the past. She sacrifices for the people of Zaun, she sacrifices for Vi, and she sacrifices for Vi's family. And for Vi, there is nothing more important than family and there is no better way to show it than to "shut the f up" and prove it with your actions Expecting Caitlyn to have fully earned forgiveness/redemption before she and Vi make up is kind of missing the point. Cait says herself that she can never make up for what she's done. But she's shown that she intends to be better from now, no matter what it costs her, and whether Vi fully forgives her is unclear. We just know that that's enough for her to accept her into her life and her trust again
I mean Vi does forgive Caitlyn, just as she forgives Jinx, that's just who she is with the people she loves. That doesn't mean forgetting tho and that doesn't change the point, Arcane doesn't like the idea of the traditional redemptive moment, "redemption" is about trying to be better and living for tomorrow.
I honestly don't understand the hatred towards Caitlyn, the girl made a couple of mistakes (the gray one) by letting herself be carried away by pain and anger towards her mother's KILLER, and being manipulated by Ambessa who took advantage of her pain for her own benefit. I mean, it's not like Jinx hasn't been manipulated by Silco by filling her head with telling her that her sister abandoned her (she was kidnapped and locked up in jail for 10 years, she wasn't partying) and that she didn't love her and blah blah blah. And I also don't think that trauma is a sufficient excuse to ignore a murder (Jinx did not hesitate to shoot the boy who looked like Vi in the back). But that's my opinion, idk. (Sorry, English is not my first language)
Let's not forget that as awful and twisted as using The Grey was, it was Caitlyn's way of stopping the council from flooding Zaun with an army of enforcers and going scorched earth on innocent civilians. Instead, she took a small force to surgically remove the Chem Barons. She was literally preventing as much harm as she thought possible and that was the only reason Vi agreed to go along with it.
They were literally going to war where they thought they would probably die, i don’t think neither of them wanted to waste time lmao i applaud that they took advantage of the little time they had before going to a freaking war against God.
How dare they arrest jinx for going and murdering a bunch of people? I've been a jinx fan since the character was released but come on she's a literal murderer...
Why are you guys in such a disbilief that Jinx was arrested? Or even hate Cait for that... She's like ... a mass murderer, a terrorist. She killed countless ... whatever the trauma and motives she had ... She killed too many people ... good and bad people. If there is a person that has reasons to be in prison is Jinx. I know we all love her. I love her ... I actually cried in the episode 7 whe she was with Ekko, for thinking that she could be happy and free of all those traumas ... But come one guys, be reasonable ... That is no way that Cait is in the wrong for arresting her (wich she didn't actually, she just didn't have time to do something), or even saying that we can't erase or past ... We really can't. Of course we can try to reedeem ourselves, but for Jinx, that's a really long path
@@kamilszczęsny-m9d different opinions based on different experiences in life, that's why. There is no right or wrong in this discussion. If she doesn't like Cait, it's her opinion. I personally hated Cait until S2 Ep8 myself and I can understand why she thinks that way. If you don't agree, that's also totally valid. In the end it's fiction, not real. If you really want to go political over something like this like calling someone "woke and liberal", then you should quit watching their reaction 😅
Because Viktor was right. Human beings can't think rationally because of their emotions. We see ourselves in criminals like Jinx and we want to forgive her
cait is better than me. jinx killed her mother, kidnapped her and mentally tortured her yet she lets her go because her love for Vi was bigger than her hate. That's her apology and that's why Vi kissed her.
It's not about Jinx though, it's about Vi. Yes Caitlyn has every reason to go after Jinx, but that doesn't mean going after the whole of Zaun to find her. And it doesn't justify the things she said to Vi or hitting her, there's an important distinction there imo. it's fine if Caitlyn letting Jinx go was enough for you (and Vi), but for them and me personally there was more needed there to really root for them again as a couple
@@km9833 Caitlyn didn't go after all of Zaun. Cait found jinx through slico's goons. To Vi, it was about jinx. jinx is her family. Caitlyn pushing Vi by the butt of the gun is not something to be justified, however, it was meant to symbolic Cait pushing Vi away since to her it was the second time she stopped her from taking the shot. You can see Cait having trauma with that one since she keeps repeating " i had the shot" in a defeated voice. Caitlyn's character again like the rest of the cast is morally grey. This is an animation show, which means every minute costs a fortune. Did i want more? yes, of course, why wouldn't i ?. The series uses the " show and not tell " during the whole show. Like characters don't say " i love you" not even once, instead; they show it.
@@Ayla_Lopez with going after Zaun I’m talking about act 2. The amount people they put in stillwater, the brutality that happened because of martial law on zaunites. And yes, Caitlyn didn’t personally order all that to happen, but she facilitates it. Just like Silco manipulating Jinx doesn’t excuse all that Jinx did, Ambessa manipulating Caitlyn doesn’t excuse all that Caitlyn did. And this is just me personally but that hit in particular really soured things, particularly since Vi is someone who has a history of suffering abuse by enforcers. It bothers me that they never properly addressed it. Imo they could have left it out and still made everything else still occur the way it did and its easier to swallow. But again that’s just me, people can feel differently
@@km9833 Ambessa going behind Caitlyns back and using violence doesn't make it caitlyn's fault. That's why they show caitlyn at her mother's statue mourning her while Ambessa is well doing what Ambessa does. When Cait knew that Ambessa right hand man was using violence, she immediately confronts her. Did cait get blind rage yes she did. Did she herself hurt civilians of Zaun, no she didn't. Did she order them to be violent, no she didn't.
@@Ayla_Lopez yeah i don't agree with Caitlyn having no fault for all that Ambessa did,. I dont think you and i will agree on this so i will leave the conversation here. Thank you for the respectful discussion about it though, those aren't always a given on here
each their own but i dont understand the cait hate. Yes when she talks to jinx and says "OUR crimes" she admits she has done some bad things herself. Rewatch episode 3 after she hits VI with her gun, before she turns around she looks down at VI seeing her crying and caits face changes to remorse before she turns and climbs, she knew it was wrong. In episode 4, she is already questioning ambessa and has nobody in her corner to get out, thats why when VI shows up in episode 6 and doesn't hold a grudge against cait, she knows she has someone that will help her get out. Jinx is one of my fav. characters but she has done alot worse than cait ever has but she gets a free pass? i dont understand it.
I've noticed some interesting and sometimes uncomfortable discussions going on in the Arcane fandom essentially about punitive justice vs restorative justice Claims that Piltover deciding to be better and improve their relationship with Zaun isn't good enough. They have to be punished for what they did or it isn't right. And Caitlyn can't be forgiven for her wrongs until she is punished, humiliated, forced to SUFFER first But if that's the only form of justice that matters, then what fate does someone like Jinx or Sevika or even Vi deserve? They've also committed some pretty heinous crimes against not just people of Piltover but of Zaun as well, haven't they?
Thank you for pointing this out! Suffering is what turned Cait into the worst version of herself in the first place. What made the Zaunites so desperate to commit ever increasing violence against Piltover and each other, what drove Piltover to retaliate. Arcane posits that suffering isn't the answer. Understanding, empathy, and forgiveness is.
Yesss good comment I’ve seen this around insta and TH-cam comments and honestly is scary to see that people want a group of characters to suffer then they can be forgiven. Like babes, I’m real life that’s not how it works. Anyway really liked reading you comment!
They’re not trying to do better, their acting in their best self interest as always and giving just enough power to keep Zaun in check and useful. It’s not about suffering and punishment, it’s about self determination, reparations, and accountability. Piltover, Caitlyn, the council don’t deserve to rule Zaun, they’ve abused their power. Punishment is not as important as taking away the power to do this again.
@@thomascochran7907 Sure, but that's a completely different subject from what I was talking about? I'm talking about the people who want punishment of Caitlyn more than they want happiness for Vi, who want suffering for the people of Piltover more than they want improvement for the people of Zaun If we wanna talk about whether Piltover is doing enough for Zaun by the end of the series, we absolutely can. Because no, obviously not! One battle together was not enough to suddenly fix an entire country's systemic inequality, and frankly if it was, I would call that poor writing. Instead, we get a semi-realistic start. Clearly, only a few days or weeks at most have passed since the battle in those finale scenes, and like Caitlyn says, there is still a fight they need to be all in on to see real change and healing happen (And she is the first but hopefully not the last to literally sacrifice her own power over Zaun and Piltover, both as commander and as a councilor, to give it to the people of Zaun themselves)
I don't understand how Montana is so against Caitlyn for punching Vi when she was clearly grieving and at rock bottom, and she should have never been ut there on a hunting mission to kill the murderer of her own mother. She should've been on mandatory leave for a few days and absolutely banned from the case. And yes, she reacted poorly but given the situation is somewhat understandable. But then Jinx literally KILLED A LOT of people, not even self defence, it was straight terrorism and murder, and Montana's just so happy that she was set free after one good action. Cait has been good for the entire show, did ONE thing wrong, and suddenly she's the devil, whilst Jinx is just a misunderstood baby. I don't judge, I love Jinx and love to see her free and out and about, but I also love Caitlyn and I think it's kind of unfair, given the context.
Your first sentence is WILD. Are you making excuses for domestic abuse? "She was grieving and at rock bottom" "reacted poorly" what? And "Cait was good for the entire show, did ONE thing wrong"? Did you watch season 2? WHAT?
@@4Tom4lepus4vi literally compared caitlyn to the mass murderer that killed her mother?? and you expect any other kind of reaction from her??? besides it is not domestic abuse because they weren't a established couple in that moment. it was just violence.
@@crisssstopher No, it's still domestic violence, even for "almost together". And you're still finding excuses for that. "and you expect any other kind of reaction from her?" wtf are you on honestly?
@@crisssstopher Ehm?? Rewatch the scene perhaps because it was CAITLYN comparing VI to Jinx by saying "It's her blood in your veins" and saying she thought Vi was different from the other people in Zaun "But you're not". How you ended up in your mind to blaming Vi for being abused - and OH PLEASE, they kissed, they were an item, let's be real here - is beyond me. "It was just violence"... Against someone who loves and trusts her and we'Re then supposed to root for them to get together.
@@4Tom4lepus4 i don't agree with cait pushing vi with butt of her gun. it was unnecessary and wrong. i have a question, why did they ship ekko and jinx romantically even after the fact that ekko beat jinx face until it bleeds, he was even about to kill her plus she killed his friends? why didnt they keep the same energy there ?
The hatred towards Caitlyn makes no sense, she is the character with the best development in the series, if we talk about hating characters then we have to hate them all since they all made mistakes. They hate Cait but idolize Jinx who committed worse crimes. In the cell scene it shows the love that Caitlyn feels for Vi, deep inside she knew that she could lose her by leaving her without guards so that she could help her escape, that's why when she sees her in the cell she is surprised, and she also tells her that she was with someone. , which was not necessary since the two of them were never anything.
Never anything is not how I would put it. But I think I know what you mean. This viewer found it highly jarring to having Cait kissing Vi and saying she won't change and in 5 minutes viewing time, rifle butting Vi in the stomach with her monogrammed rifle. Not good. Really bad. Caitlyn does have that look of remorse after hitting Vi, but she still leaves.(teenage Vi does try to come back after hitting Powder) But yeah, She knew that Vi could leave with Jinx, but still let it happen. And the apprehension in her eyes, when she confesses to seeing someone. And the Pain in her eyes when Cait touches where she hit Vi in the stomach. Vi forgives Caitlyn and chooses her. But some people still want Caitlyn drawn and quartered and dropped in a vat of boiling oil, and then fed to the crows. Hey, even Jinx is on team caitvi. Can we please, even if you are outraged on Vi's behalf, let Vi have some happiness.
41:22 right here Montana says something I consider important: If Vi's happy, I'm happy. Many people argue that Caitlyn and Vi's scene wasn't earned, that we needed more of an apology from Cait, that her actions weren't enough. To many people, Vi shouldn't have forgiven Cait as easily because, to them, Caitlyn's "apology" didn't count. But to Vi, it did, and that's all that matters. To us, it may seem rushed and undeserved, even unnecessary, but to Vi and Cait this scene I believe is VERY important for both their arcs. Caitlyn has been obsessed with Jinx for months, wanting nothing more than to kill her after everything she put her through and what she did. In the process of her obsession, anger, guilt, grief, etc she lost herself AND Vi, abandoning her when she realized that no matter what, Vi would always choose Jinx first, because that's her sister, her family. But now, after doubting her for a while, she betrays Ambessa and lets Jinx go, allowing Vi to release Jinx and, as far as she knows, never see either of them again. Caitlyn chose Vi's happiness over her own anger and goals, because she loves her, and that's her way of apologizing and trying to make things up. "You really think I needed all the guards at the Hexgates?" turns into "I made sure this place would be empty so that you could release your sister, and leave." "Sorry to say, you've grown a bit predictable." turns into "I knew you were gonna do this, I knew you would choose her and release her and leave, and that's fine. I know you will choose your sister every time, and I am okay with that, even if it means never seeing you again." As for Vi, we know she's a protector since she was a kid. She always puts others first and completely forgets about her own needs and wants over doing what other people need and want. This is Vi, for the first time, choosing herself. Choosing joy for herself, love for herself, and doing something she wants to do. Caitlyn's "apology" just made it clear to her how much she loves Cait, and I think it's beautiful how that happened. One of the writers, Amanda Overton, described this scene and Vi's character as "If I had no one left to protect, I would fall in love." and that is what she does. She essentially has no one left in her life except for Caitlyn, and for the first time ever, she doesn't have to care or protect anyone. She can just let herself love and be loved. This was an absolute mess so sorry if it's confusing but you get what I mean!! I know at first this scene is very ??? what the hell. It's very sudden and feels off, but if you analyze deeper (which is something I love about this show, how everything makes much more sense and everything can be enjoyed much more once you analyze it because there's an incredible depth to it and it's characters) you can see why it happened and the character's reasons, thoughts, etc. Also they were about to go to war, so really if it wasn't then, it could've never been. As far as they knew, either of them could and likely would die. This could've been their last chance at having a moment together.
I love Jinx with all my heart, but seriously, she has killed so many people, including parts of the governmentant in Piltover. Of course she would and should be arrested.
I must say, Montana really overplays "Jinx was a child" card. She was, but by the time she was a teenager she killed people for fun, not even on Silco's requests. Forget Caitlyn's personal experience with her, locking Jinx up and waiting for Vi was already an act of huge restrain on Cait's part.
@@ashantibrowne2633 bruh didn't you watch season 1? she killed enforcers for fun. even silco was angry at her and jinx laughed about it. she also killed firelights, again, for fun.
@@ud2278 theres no evidence that she went out of her own way to kill any one for fun knowing it would only inconvenience silco. She more so went rogued or overboard trying to help silco or trying to make an "entrance".
@@ashantibrowne2633 in ep 4 season 1, when Jinx killed the enforcers on the explosion in Piltover, Silco was totally pissed at Jinx, he didn’t asked her to do it, she did it because she wanted to.
I hope you find it in your heart to forgive Caitlin. Ultimately, I think of her as a good person who made some mistakes out of grief and manipulation. Vi finally has someone who loves her and whom she can love back. And that just makes me happy.
I think holding a truly good person, and judging their whole character on their worst actions, especially one's they feel guilty for and were under great duress while making said actions, is pretty weird.. Speaking on Cait, she went through a whole lot, and i wouldn't expect anyone to not do what she did or worse. Considering everything that Jinx did to her, Cait still forgave her in the end and let her go. Cait realized she was wrong, and admitted to it through her actions. Idk. I feel like Cait redeemed herself quite a bit. She fell, she was in A LOT of pain, and self loathing, but she also got past it and i think Montana has to see that too I guess should i go around judging genuinely good people because at some point they made a few bad mistakes? I don't think so. If that were the case Vander should be a bad guy too, just like Cait. And Vi. And Jayce. When none of them are bad people. Just have made mistakes. Like real people
“Yeah why should we judged the founding fathers for owning slavers and ignore all the good things that did.” Really? Rulers have to be held to a higher standard, because their choices and wether their held accountable affects the entire system.
The greater a person's influence, the higher their moral standard must be. Take Ekko for example. He was orphaned, adopted by a man who he watched get slaughtered, lost his childhood friend and first love, was oppressed to the point of breathing toxic air by Topside, encountered his lost love who promptly killed practically his entire crew in front of him, was convinced his childhood friend turned on him when she showed up with an enforcer, attacked by Topside for trying to return the gemstone, blown up by his now crimelord former love, and anything else I've missed. He didn't become a terrorist or a military dictator. We cannot write Jinx or Cait off because their history led them down their path, but to say they get a pass for it is insane. This wasn't a few mistakes, it was unapologetically giving in to their darkest self, and that is not the sign of a 'genuinely good person'. Nobody is entirely good or bad, and boiling them down to 'good person' results in trying to justify the inexcusable like you just did.
I respect your opinion Montana but like Jinx killed her MOTHER of course she eont trust jinx that easily. And if you understood those words that Cait said before they start kissing "You really think i needed all the guards at the hexgates, sorry to say you've grown a bit predictable" she meant that she knew Vi and she knew that she will go after Jinx and will release her and she let her do it, because she trust Vi. But again, im nit justifying that Caitlyn hit why etc. Also i respect your opinion. Great reaction btw 💗
nah! The Caitlyn hate is so forced and annoying tbh. Everytime I hear someone say they hate her, I just know they didn't undestant the show. What a waste...
Fun Fact: Apparently, that CaitVi scene was longer and heavily cut to avoid a TV-18 rating, but the creators said the full scene may be out there waiting to be found and leaked.
@@Emre.55 Vi finally chosing herself and giving herself time to love ? Vi thought Jinx betrayed her again, resulting in her losing Caitlyn.. again.. you know the girl she loves? the girl who she spend the last months crying and hallucinating?... said girl came and told her, "I knew you were gonna do this, i know you , i forgave your sister cause my love for you is bigger " so yeah you don't think Vi the person whos flaw is to love too much was gonna eat her right there and then?
Sorry but the difference between the s1 reaction and this is insane. I just felt like you guys were more understanding in the first one or may be I just had high expectations. cuz I was really waiting for this reaction so that you guys can finally understand the mindsets of certain charcaters and the writing choices for them better in this episode.
It's *incredibly* ironic that one of the first things Vi says to Caitlyn when they meet is "Undercity's gonna eat you alive." That is some Grade A foreshadowing.
Montana, let's forget EVERYTHING else jinx has done for a moment and let's see how you will act if someone literally murders someone CLOSE to you, IN FRONT of you, and also attacks THEIR memorial. :3
Jinx did not attack the memorial. Also, as far as Jinx knew, there wasn't anyone in the Council building at that time. It was the middle of the night. The Council would not normally be meeting then. Jinx said it herself: "I didn't know your mom was there." Also also, even if somebody had intentionally killed someone close to me and then attacked their memorial, I wouldn't use that as an excuse to use biological weapons on a city full of innocents and then instate a fascist government.
@@FrostyTheSnowPickle The writers confirmed + found in the comic book that Cait only attacked the chembarons ( who deserve it btw), she never attacked civilians of zaun, she used the ventilation system to purify the air and she destroyed shimmer ( which was how silco used to control the undercity ). Cait was always against using violence. she went against the council wishes which was flooding Zaun with enforces, that's why she used the vents to get in faun with a squad of like 5.
@@FrostyTheSnowPickle Caitlyn didn't know Ambessa was orchestrating the attack. She and Piltover mistakenly blamed Jinx. Caitlyn stopped the military invasion of Zaun because innocents would be harmed. She instead formed a strike force targeting Shimmer, the crime lord Chem Barons and Jinx who had attacked the ruling council without a declaration of war. As for the Grey, it is not a highly toxic gas (not saying they should be using it). It is a toxic waste from industrial activities enriching Piltover plutocrats. It is being used like a tear gas, in limited specific circumstances to target the Chem Barons and later Noxian invaders. As for what Jinx knew, come on. She knew there was discussion to turn her over for Zaun independence. The lights were on for reason. Those lights were on because the Piltover elite were washing their hands of the damage they had caused by turning Zaun over to a crime lord oligarch. What the light provided was a big bright target.
Except I don't think it's really about Jinx for Montana. It's about how Caitlyn treated Vi after her mom died, which is inexcusable no matter which way you slice it.
Anyone with eyes has surely realized this already, but Arcane has some of the most beautiful character designs I've *ever* seen in animation and season 2 somehow upped the basically flawless season 1 designs. I think every single character looks their best in act III. Mel's sorceress design, where they somehow managed to make the most beautiful woman in animation even more gorgeous, Caitlyn's ponytail, Jayce's beard look, and Vi's long hair all look incredible. We also get Ekko and Jinx's new designs in the finale as well as what is practically a brand new Viktor, and all of it looks so amazing.
Caitlin had a ponytail in season one. She barely looks any different. Now, if you want a real glow-up, let's talk about Ambesse. Cause my word, every one of this woman's looks is FIRE.
Caitlyn's hair is much longer in this act and in my opinion looks better in a ponytail, and I also had her outfit in mind, which looks *much* better than the purple outfit she had in season 1.
At last, the Glorious Evolution is complete! Even as someone who's never played League, I was freaking out. Knowing what it means now, it hypes me up even more.
Is the reason for her hating Caitlin because of a visceral response from an experience she had in her life? I personally think that her hatred is childish & closed-minded. I watched many reactors & they didn’t give a response that biased. I'm guessing it hurts her to admit that Caitlin is redeemable, for what she “did” to Vi! As smart as she is, she’s blinded by her emotions.
yeah i feel like kenny kept trying to explain to montana why cait reacts the way she does (and gives really great reasons), but montana continues to hate - weird because she seems okay with everyone else even though most characters have made questionable decisions (love this channel btw, no hate, just observation)
@ Kenny was more pragmatic & open-minded about the whole situation yet he still wanted to bridge the two schools of thought. She was more emotional than intelligent regarding Cait & VI. I guess when your emotions take the wheel, you let it dictate your thought process & try to justify it In accordance with your feelings.
I loved seeing Silco talk to Jinx. He talked to her with calmness and patience in his voice because that's the kind of father figure he was to her. It was sad seeing her completely undone to the point that they had to take away anything she use as a weapon or tie up.
I’m incredibly disapointed by Kenny continuing on the “Vi’s responce is what created Jinx” train. He’s not the only person to say that, but it’s such a bad/simplistic take. There’s clearly so many factors at play in her taking on this persona and actual adult characters that should have done better by her (and yes I would put Silco at the top of that category). To boil it all down to a single moment where a parentified teenager had a justified moment of weakness is bonkers. I expected better comentary from you guys. 🤦♀️
That was more a reference to the other dimension where literally if vi died instead of the others Powder didn’t become jinx in episode 7. I guess now that I think about it more there were more factors based on timing and amount of people dying and such, but one takeaway I got from that episode was the response to the explosion itself shaped the world around it, and I think everyone can agree Vi’s lowest moment was when she slapped powder and walked away (to gather herself but never got the chance to talk to powder again, thus Silco taking over as her mentor, thus jinx). So I guess I could be wrong on that, but also we are analyzing like a bajillion things a week with all of these shows at once, we can’t get it all completely correct on a first time watch! I’d say 5/10 times when I rewatch the episode to edit I come away with slightly different opinions than when I initially watched it. I think it’s hard to judge a first time reaction vs when you have time to sit down and analyze. I’d say now that I’ve had time that was def a bit of a generalization, but I’d say that if Vi hugs powder there and says everything will be ok, I bet 99% of the time Jinx does not manifest. Anywho sorry to disappoint you with my lack of understanding 😭
@@LettsReact See there’s one person you put right in the middle of Vi and Jinx. Silco. As other comments have very well pointed out Power had a number of other factors that have led her down the Jinx path, including Vi’s response, Milo’s comments, her environment and her own personal characteristics. But the biggest factor I’d say is without a doubt Silco’s mentorship that intentionally nurtured that side of her. Vi’s response (awful but understandable) does not necessarily lead to Silco as if he had no agency in the matter - "...never got the chance to talk to powder again, thus Silco taking over as her mentor, thus jinx". He saw the state Powder was left in and made the decision to take her in and raise her in which way he saw fit. Had a Vander 2.0 come along things might have been different, who can say? She’d probably still be very traumatized about the event and grieving but not turned into a murderer? As we see in the show Jinx is a multifaceted and complex person. But again, Vi had no hand in who would show up when Powder was at her weakest and most vulnerable. So I’d say that Vi’s reaction in that moment being considered the one and only turning point from Powder to Jinx, as if it’s a switch, isn’t a fair assessment. It was something she grew into.
(Btw this isn't supposed to be mean spirited in the slightest. I really enjoy watching you guys, you got some of the best reactions+analysis out here, keep thriving)
@ honestly, thank you for listening and taking in what I was saying. I’ve seen so many people in the arcane fandom space dumping blame on Vi, expecially after 2x7 came out. People took it as evidence that “if if wasn’t for her eveything turns out fine” or “her death fixes everything” including Powder/Jinx. And to me that was not the message of the episode. There are many factors why that world is so different, from the absence of hextech, to silco and vander reconciling, the undercity gangs were nowhere to be seen, SHIMMMER was no where to be seen. Surely in that world Vi’s death chages things, (after all one of the themes of the show is small actions/ big consequences) but to me her death was never “the catalist”, it’s “the trade off” we always see in AU episodes. Vi’s death is there to remind us that no world is perfect, that even in a kinder timeline where people do the right thing, suffering and grief are unavoidable. As for Powder in both worlds she lost her sister, but in one of them she had a loving family and a funtioning society, in the other…
Where do you get that Vi caused Jinx? That everything was just Vi hitting her. I don't think that's all. Of course it was important, made apparent by the choice of the name Jinx. Still. In the AU all kinds of stuff were different. Starting from the Job. Vander lives, Powder has a kinda healthy family which can help her with the grief about Vi and she's not responsible for multiple deaths. She actually helps people (there would be some arm flailing without her), etc
@indigophase Not only Silco's influence. Also her own, being burdened with the death of her whole family. And Powder always had some crazyness inside her. (There are Jinx scribblings in the very first scene (the bridge scene) of 1x1), making dolls of everybody (in the MU of Mylo and Claggor and it was creepy, but in AU of Vi, we thought that creepy? And in the artbook she apparently makes an Isha doll).
It’s because the characters say so themselves, and people just take their word at face value and believe them without looking into the complexities behind it Many reference the tea party scene, in which jinx tells vi that she created her, as a source of proof for this but they’re misconstruing part of her meaning and not seeing the bigger picture. While yes, jinx does harbour a level of resentment and anger toward vi for her perceived abandonment, she’s also crediting vi for what she believes are positive attributes within her new identity, her resiliency, her strengths. It’s not just intended to be a giant diss against her sister, like much of the audience perceive it as. Similarly to how powder was vi’s reason to keep going, vi was hers - “you’re the reason I’m still alive” Vi also faults herself for having “created the monster” which some point to as apparent evidence, but I don’t think the intention is for us to agree with her but more so to get insight into her perspective and tendency to self blame. She herself knows she didn’t intentionally abandon powder, but she phrases things in a way to assure she’s assigning blame to herself anyhow. It’s not “I was taken against my will and forcefully separated from her” it’s “I just ran away, I left her” and like you said, there are a million other factors at play. Most notably and obviously silco, but also the conditions in which she was raised, pre existing mental illness and even mylo, who first referred to her as a jinx and was antagonistic toward her as kids. No one thing or person is solely responsible for having “caused” jinx, it’s an accumulation of a bunch of different moving parts
@scarlettwisteria Wholeheartedly Agree. The characters are "unrealiable narrators" so to speak, to put it in literary terms. (They aren't narrators at all, though) A really important part, I think, what people don't get is that Vi really doesn't understand Powder/Jinx. She loves her over everything but she doesn't get her. She didn't get Powder's abandonment issues in 1x3 (before they left to rescue Vander) and she doesn't get Jinx in 1x9 and tortures her with trying to get her to remember their family. Their minds work completely differently: Vi takes on responsibility, personally, if it fails, she takes it as her own fault. She looks her problems in the eye, gets in close and punches them. Powder otoh doesn't take responsibility, though, she just wants to help. Jinx fights at a distance and we see multiple times that she looks away shortly before she pulls the trigger (e.g. look at the scene where she shoots someone after the firelights fireworks on the bridge in 1x7) The one time the responsibility takes Jinx (so to speak) is when she kills her family and it breaks her.
19:05 fun fact, this line (my partner died in this room) is actually true. If you go back to the opening scene of episode 1, viktor has noticeably less clothes on when they arrive at the lab compared to right after the explosion, implying Jayce tried reviving him there first. And only after that failed did he bring Viktor to the hexcore. And after the hexcore merges with him, we see Viktor’s skeleton for about half a second and it’s fully split in half.
You can see that Noxus made a grave her Isha. Even though they weren't on the same side, she still stopped Vander/Warwick and recognize her as a warrior for her actions.
@@titi3736 It's too big to be her hat, but it could possibly that the explosion was so big it left no remains, and the Noxians shaped a grave marker like the hat to honor her as best they could (it may have been the only thing they saw in the heat of battle) I haven't seen anything to debunk that particular theory, so it's one I'm going to choose to believe for now
Jinx turned herself in, majority of the enforcers know her as a problem, so of course they’re going to arrest her. So honestly she (Caitlyn) was keeping her safe in the jail, since Jinx was obviously not in her right mind (devastated by Isha’s death), not eating her meals. She was in mourning and wanted to be arrested. Also I think ya’ll weren’t noticing the passage of time between episodes, so every 3 episodes is it’s own period of time. In episode 6 it’s like years later, hence Vi’s hair growth and Cait learning fighting moves. So honestly Vi had time to slowly get over the lose of Cait and Cait who was with Maddie 🤢 I know we don’t like that she did that, but thats how some people try to move on. You could even tell when Cait was with Maddie she had no true feelings with her. So I think it wasn’t a quick make up especially when you know that it’s been months or years since them being together. But nah Jinx was a little crazy for a while there when she was with Silco.
At first I feel annoying when read unnecessary reason of peoples hating on Cait, but lately I just laugh, they make her character so real peoples still debat about it 😂 I wonder, lot of you hate Caitlyn when she hurt Vi at Ep 3, fair, but why you didn't act same when Jinx did same thing in Ep 8? They hit Vi in same place, both mentally unstable, yet one get 'eww' reaction why others get 'aww', double standard much? 😂 Anyway cool reaction like always, thank you ~
My opinion. Sky was never there. She was killed in season one and was just gone. This was Viktor's last trace of humanity, an illusion he created for himself to cope with the isolation of his new existence. Until he gives up the last of his humanity for the final evolution. Sky can't stay because he won't have that part of himself that is creating her, and he won't miss her because he's giving up the capacity to feel that emotion.
i understand all the characters especially jinx and cait because i believe in that theory that they are the opposites sides of the same coin, and the caitvi scene made me happy im not gonna lie but the timing just felt… idk.) as a couple the writers did they very dirty we just needed a more character development especially after episode 3 because all the situations was just too complicated and both of them was passing through very difficult times. i have mixed feelings bc at the same time i can understand all of them ( vi cait and jinx) in that moment
I think we all knew what scene this song was gonna be in when we heard about it lol -Season 2 Episode 8 Fantastic Lyrics (Vocals by King Princess): [Verse 1] And I'm thinking of you When I’m up here higher than God (Higher than God) Feeling strange 'bout the way we left things in the back of the car (Back of the car) [Pre-Chorus] Mm, can't believe that I’m in pain Help me disassociate I just wanna be a good passenger [Chorus] I'm feeling fantastic, I'm fucking fantastic I wanna get drunk and watch American classics Drink champagne out of plastic Don't you want someone crazy like me, babe? I'm feeling amazing, I'm fucking amazing I'm high as a kite, I'm sat here picturing you naked You just have to take it If you want someone crazy like me, babe [Verse 2] I be thinking about you While you’rе down there being a doll It’s еither a curse or a blessing Every time that you call, oh [Pre-Chorus] Mm, can't believe that I’m in pain Help me disassociate I just wanna be a good passenger [Chorus] I'm feeling fantastic, I'm fucking fantastic I wanna get drunk and watch American classics Drink champagne out of plastic Don't you want someone crazy like me, babe? (Crazy like me) I’m feeling amazing, I'm fucking amazing I'm high as a kite, I'm sat here picturing you naked You just have to take it (Take it) If you want someone crazy like me, babe [Outro] And I'm thinking of you When I'm up here higher than God 💜
Hope you guys don't consider this a spoiler, but those "rune things" that the guard had is a unique and very special item called Kaenic Rookern. In game it provides health, magic resistance, and a magic shield! Super cool to see it show up in the show. Also super looking forward to seeing you guys react to Episode 9! It's a doozy
i definitely understand why many people wanted a direct, verbal apology from cait. but personally i found her *actions* to repair her relationship with vi more compelling than *words* ever could. she literally lets jinx-the person who has tried to kill her multiple times, kidnapped her, killed her mom, killed her coworkers in front of her eyes, and launched an explosion at her city-escape with zero consequences all because jinx is vi's sister and she loves vi. and in doing so she risks her job, the job she has spent her entire life going against her parents' wishes to have, because she loves vi. and she lets go of her hate for jinx, which has fueled every single one of her actions in season 2 up until this point, because she loves vi. and she lets go of the desire to bring justice to her mother's death, because she loves vi. and she very well assumed vi was going to leave with jinx and never return, so she was willing to let *vi* go, because she loves her. and i personally preferred that instead of using screentime to have cait verbally apologize, that time is used to show her apology through actions, the latter *actually* showing cait is willing to improve. it's one thing to simply say you regret a hurtful decision, and it's imo more impactful to go out and actively make good decisions going forward, y'know?
Y'know...Episode 8 of season 1 talked about Oil and Water...Episode 8 of this season is gonna go over different liqu...you know what no, I'm not finishing that joke. 💜
"There is no good version of me." That hits hard, especially after seeing the last episode, where Powder got the love and support she needed after suffering from tragedy, and seemed to be happy and well-adjusted. But Jinx is aptly named; her life was nothing but bad luck, and every time she got a bit of happiness, circumstances or the universe took it away from her. No wonder she's given up. I really appreciated the conversation/confrontation between Caitlyn and Jinx, especially Caitlyn saying 'our' crimes and that she simply doesn't have the energy to hate Jinx anymore. As you stated, almost every character in this show has done bad things; who has done worse to who is a question that can be endlessly debated. At some point, if you want things to get better, someone has to break the cycle. Justice is important, but it can't devolve to revenge. I also liked that Jinx offered a small olive branch to Caitlyn, telling her that she didn't know Caitlyn's mom was there when Jinx attacked, and even admitting that it probably wouldn't have changed anything. I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse for Caitlyn, knowing that it wasn't personal, but it was something. I would like Ambessa more if she wasn't so smug, self-righteous, condescending, and hypocritical. She's always so utterly certain that her decisions were the correct ones, and that only she knows the 'correct' path forward. It's especially galling that Ambessa lectures Mel on how mages are unfair, while also affixing anti-magic runes to her arm and after making a deal with Viktor for him to magically enhance her soldiers. In the end, Ambessa only truly cares about her personal power, via her own body and mind, or by soldiers she personally commands.
-Season 2 Episode 8 The Line Lyrics (Vocals by Twenty One Pilots): [Chorus] My body's on the line now I can't fight this time now I can feel the light shine on my face Did I disappoint you? Will they still let me over If I cross the line? [Verse 1] Take a seat But I'd rather you not be here for What could be my final form Stay your pretty eyes on course Keep the memories of who I was before So stay with me because [Chorus] My body's on the line now I can't fight this time now I can feel the light shine on my face Did I disappoint you? Will they still let me over If I cross the line? [Verse 2] Honestly I thought I was fully prepared for The threshold in store Stay your pretty eyes on course I guess I never really faced my fears before So stay with me because [Chorus] My body's on the line now Pull the blanket tight now I can feel the light shine on my face Did I disappoint you? Will they still let me over If I cross the line? [Instrumental Break] [Chorus] [Chorus] Please don't let them see me Sure there's nothing left to try I can feel the light shine on my face Did I disappoint you? Will they still let me over If I cross the line? [Outro] If I cross the line If I cross the line 💜
I don't think Jonx literally had the hextech gem. I think it's a metaphor for the purpose that Silco had instilled in her since childhood, the war against Piltover. In her hallucination of him, he had a glowing blue eye, like the gem. Her pulling the gem out of her mouth was essentially like removing the poison from her body, but it's all she's known. Giving up on that hatred has left her empty and without purpose.
The funny thing is if Cait remained as pure as she was in season 1, people would complain that she's an empty character that's not worth spending screen time on. So yeah, here she becomes conflicted and 'interesting' and we all are judging? Everything she did makes sense from her perspective, doesn't make it all acceptable, but idk how her actions aren't at least understandable.
Vi has to stop holding onto people. This is the second time she’s been gut checked as a response. To make it worse, they probably do it because breaking her grip would be hard. 💀
I'd love to see you guys react to the live performance of some of the songs from Arcane that they did for the 2024 Game Awards! It's not overselling it to say that it's a brain-chemistry-altering performance. I've been obsessed with the League lore for years, if you guys want some recommendations for cinematics to watch that take place in the Arcane universe, I'd be happy to send some links :D
Another engaging and entertaining Reaction to Arcane, fine folks. 1 Alternate Piltover Powder putting Prime Piltover Ekko's farewell necklace with the Janus ornament of his and Powder's profiles into and closing the Vi drawer of her sister's shrine suggests that's where she puts profound mementos of a lost loved one, signifying the end of that chapter of her life, ipso facto zero Alternate Piltover Hextech pursuit, precluding the cycle. 2 Both your insights on the recurrent themes of estranged contrasting sibling duos reconciling for a common goal - Sisters Vi/Powder, Brothers Jace/Victor - paralleling the recurrence of Topside and Undercity unifying-dividing-reunifying for the common goal of preserving Piltover from threats beyond, brought to my mind that Topside and Undercity are also a duo of estranged-reconciled contrasting siblings.
I have to keep bringing it up, that is NOT VIKTOR. He is quite literally losing his humanity each time, so he's not changing his morals... he's slowly losing himself to it. That's not HIM from the first arc of Season 1, he's slowly having parts of himself being replaced, his "morals" changing and him not being the same is literally what is occurring. I really like Kenny's analysis of CaitVi, well done, maybe it's not a perfect way to get forgiveness but Cait is just doing the absolute best thing she can do with what she has and throws away a lot of what she was holding on to. She really tried to help Vander too which should come in to it too, she's changed... does it make up for everything? No, Jinx does good too sometimes but she is a literal mass murderer. Is Cait changing? Absolutely, is it good enough? For who? For every viewer? or for Vi who was given freedom by Cait, teamed up with Cait... betrayed by Cait but then Cait shows her old side of just being the best she can, maybe that's what Vi wants.
So, this show is the only one on the channel to have actual s*x scenes in it, correct? Shows like Chainsaw Man, Invincible, and Cyberpunk: Edgerunners came close (the first one, scarily so), but Arcane's the obly one I've seen to actually depict it.
I will say... certain (animated) shows come along that just change everything, and are so good, they beat out any live action show possible in those years. I'm talking about Avatar the Last Airbender, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Attack on Titan and now Arcane. I think Arcane should EASILY sweep any award show for shows (I.E. Emmy's)... now will it? unfortunately probably not because it's animated.. that shouldn't make a difference with these particular shows.. but it probably will
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14:45 Maybe it's just me being a Jinx fan, but I honestly think she thought she was shooting the rocket into an empty building. Maybe a guard or two like we saw when Jayce and Viktor were breaking in.
Keep going l love your reaction 💕❤️
I feel like Caitlyn holds a considerable amount of restraint with her hatred for Jinx when you remember Jinx broke into her bathroom to kidnap her, gag in a chair, and tell Vi to shoot her. Five minutes later, mom is dead. Not to mention she blew up her buddies. I wouldn’t even entertain mercy.💀
Literally! and on top of that the woman you love still loving and defending the person that did all that to you💀. (Not that I’m against Vi at all, ofc she still loves her sister but yeah)
@@00JAN3 I mean, I'm sorry, Vi literally gave her permission to shoot Jinx, helped her achieve that even, abandoned everything she believed in and joined the Piltover cops and then Caitlyn physically assaults and insults Vi because... she stopped her from shooting at a small child. Nah, that's not "a considerable amount of restraint" nor can I excuse it.
And I don't hold any resentment against Caitlyn for hating Jinx or wanting vengeance. But her treatment of Vi and literally starting a tyrant police state that continuously attacks the people of Zaun? Hell nah.
@ what does this have to do with what I said? but to clarify Caitlyn does not hit Vi because Vi stopped her from shooting isha she hits Vi because Vi compares her to Jinx (which obviously still wasn't okay). Also she did not start a tyrant police state huh? Regardless that wasn't what I was referring too.
mind u all that because she hugged her sister 💀
the part i was confused... so jinx knocked down the kait when she was naked... did jinx put her clothes back on or when kait was awake and told her to put clothes back on then took her the place meeting with silco and vi?
About Jinx and Caitlyn scene, I saw someone pointed out that when Jinx said "i didn't know your mother was there" the camera focused on Caitlyn ear bc thats what she needed to hear. And when Jinx said "it wouldn't make a difference" the camera focus on Jinx's mouth bc thats what she needed to say.
Caitlyn also let Vi break Jinx out of jail even knowing she could may never seee her again. And Vi didn't know Jinx was talking abt offing herself, last time she went somewhat unhinged, she blew things up and thats what Vi thinks she will do.
One of the things I really, really don't like about Arcane's fandom is how selective their memory is and how hypocritical they can be when it's convenient for their favorite character. Like grief and pain can be an excuse for homicide and terrorism, but only if Jinx does it? Why is Caitlyn's grief somehow less important? She was a girl thrown into a position of power, in a moment of severe mental instability while also being manipulated by a warmongering Noxian commander, who only intended to work her grief to her advantage + use her fragile power seat as a way to basically do whatever she wants without consequences.
Of course, she did things out of rage for Jinx, and that's bad... But anyone else with a beating heart would have done the same, if we were in her position! And that's why you shouldn't give power to someone that's going through such a traumatic period of grief and rage, because if you do, you might as a well throw fuel to the flame: which is exactly what Ambessa wanted, and that's why she chose her as Piltover's ruler.
Jinx quite literally doesnt know any better shes been raised in zaun and by silco to be a criminal. Caits switch up was random and quite evil to her character completley throwing he morals for grief? the difference is Cait DOES know better. Jinx is a hurt victim trying to get through
@@aenaryko6176 But she clearly does know the grief of losing loved ones -- she's experienced it *multiple* times. She's been convinced that killing can be justified for a cause, but her first attack on Piltover was not for a cause, but as retribution.
Caitlyn has a very personal and valid reason to go on a crusade against Jinx. Jinx nearly killed her on the bridge, broke into her home to assault and kidnap her, and rewarded Caitlyn's mercy at the end of season 1 with a dead mother and a hometown in disarray. What had Caitlyn done to Jinx before this point?
Vi and Cait language is not one on what you want. They show their apologies with actions. Cait keeping Vi from being spied by guards. Cait going through with Vi's plan to free Vander showed Vi how much she cares. Cait trusting Vi on freeing Jinx despite losing her mom, is the Ultimate apology. Actions always show more than words.
@@eaban93 also there is one quote from hazbin hotel (which they both watched) that Montana should remember "words are cheap but actions they speak the truth"
@toamszkozak8822 exactly. You always know where you stand with people who walk the talk.
I feel like the fact that well both of them but Cait in particular is kinda reserved at expressing herself through words and prefers action is a big part of why so many people don't seem to get the character at all.
I don't think that's exclusive to Cait and Vi. Many characters do good that suits an apology. One could easily frame many of Jinx's actions in season 2 the same way.
right... this series, the characters, the plot, the whole package, a lot of the time show not tell.
"There's no good version of me." This quote hits really hard after what we saw in episode seven. The scene is heartbreaking, but I'm glad Jinx is wishing her sister happiness.
I fell şad for her in his show❤
Back at it
Caitlyn was powerless as she saw her girlfriend’s terrorist of a sister kill her mother. It doesn’t justify Caitlyn abandoning Vi, almost shooting Isha, and working with Ambessa, but I don’t think it’s fair to be pissed at Caitlyn for locking up Jinx.
Facts, the actions/events that happens makes us understand her better but it’s not an excuse/justify of her reactions to it. Anyw yeha Cait put Jix in prison cause Jix was like imma jusr head inside, but also Jinx commited a crime, the counsel thing so she had to be held at least for some time, probably not for the rest of her life but just some time.
I think Kenny's got it exactly right.
"At this point so many bad things have been done by all of the characters (...) that at some point you have to put down the tally if people are being good in the moment"
That's it! That's one of the themes! We saw it in episode 7 with Vander and Silco having the strength to forgive each other despite already having been past the drowning/stabbing scene and blaming each other for their friends' death... and clearly the Undercity reaped the benefits!
The counter to Viktor's "our human emotions are the cause of all of our woes" is that violence is not the only cyclical thing, so is forgiveness. Like Pumanity (sp?) pointed out, Piltover and Zaun were once united and they can be so again, despite all the awful that has happened. Just like Vander and Silco in that other universe, or Vi and Jinx for a short while, or Jinx and Sevika, or...
SPOILERS FOR THE FINAL EPISODE
Ekko and Jinx or our boys Jayce and Viktor. Forgiveness and understanding are the balm to how monstrous we can all be, remembering what brings us together in the first place.
"It's never too late to build something new."
I agree with you here❤
I'm surprised they're having such a hard time with that, considering they watched Attack on Titan.
The entire damn show is about love and about living for a better tomorrow no matter the past is ultimately the only way to truly break the cycle of violence.
Ekko pretty much spells it out next episode at the star when he's talking to Jinx.
They probably have almost half a dozen interactions that basically say this theme of "you've got to be able to put the past aside for a better future" out loud.
Episode 7 with Powder and Ekko: "Sometimes taking a step forward means leaving a few things behind"
Episode 7 with Silco and Vander: "Greatest thing we can do in life is find the power to forgive"
Episode 8 with Silco and Jinx: "Break the cycle"
Plus the times in episode 9.
I don't understand how people hate Cait and in the same breath defend Jinx. She is in my opinion completely justified in hating Jinx, Jinx killed her Mom, blew up Caitlyn twice, kidnapped her from her home as she was naked, held her at gunpoint and threatened to kill her or get Vi to kill her multiple times. Up to this point Cait had done nothing to deserve this. She was essantially a Mall-Cop guarding tents and was kept from doing any "real" Enforcer stuff, she was the only person strictly going after the person (Jinx) behind the attack and theft or hextech, while the rest of Piltover thought structural oppression would be better and she didnt hurt anyone while in Zaun. Jinx on the other hand, while heavily manipulated by Silco, killed many Zaunites, both Firelights and enemies to Silco, kidnapped an innocent Cait because she was jealous of her relationship with Vi. None of them is innocent but saying one is better than the other when they so clearly mirror each other is wild in my opinion.
100% this. I understand personal bias based on your own worldview and experiences in life, but some people let that blind them so much it's kind of silly. We excuse a murdering terrorist, because she has mental issues and was unlucky enough to be born in the wrong place (neither which is her fault and shouldn't be used to rule against her), but damn the person who in every interaction previous to this season (and in it honestly), has been empathetic to most people she comes across, always trying to do the right thing, also naive but open to being proven wrong about her own biases. Like yes, Caitlyn did go down a really dark path which she needs to be held accountable for, even if she was manipulated into it. But come on.
"Innocent Cait" she's a cop. Why is it so hard to understand, that a lot of people just don't vibe with cops and/or rich people, who can abuse their power to reach their goals. And people will sympathize more with an oppressed character, who was *truly* manipulated since thier childhood (jinx).
"She did turn Zaun into a controlled area and arrested a bunch of people but everything she did she did under the intention of finding Jinx not abuse Zaunites"... is just an insane take, sorry, and why are we defending martial law here, hello? No amount of “she didn’t mean to” changes the fact that during the “months of peacekeeping occupation” she controlled oppressed zaunites to the point they rioted (and were heavily punished for that)
Look, I love Cait, but I don't like or defend her actions at all. I wish her story went differently, I wish we saw more of caitlyns internal conflicts because she is SO complex, I wish we had like a whole episode alone with her and her inner turmoils, but we didn't. So, if I judge her character solely on the context of the show, I very clearly see how people can dislike her.
@ Honestly I agree. I'll remove the part about martial law. My point is simply I feel like a lot of people act like Cait become a monster after she became Marshall and I feel like thats a bit over the top. Although she was still very horrible and acted like she was in the right, which she was not.
I still stand by my statement that Season 1 Cait really didnt deserve the focussed hate she got from Jinx and people defending that Jinx or forgetting about what that Jinx did is kinda weird if they are not willing to at least give Cait a chance and just flat out act like she is the worst person in the show.
I totally understand why people sympathize with the opressed people of Zaun more, I do too. My favourite character is still Ekko. I just think that Jinx has done a lot of things that were neither against oppression nor for survival that deserve criticism that she doesnt get.
@@olanintolai get it but y'all also can't be mad when someone points out the bias and how y'all act towards Cait the same way cops acts towards the oppressed.
Yes Cait is justified in hating Jinx. She is not justified in funding an oppressive government, becoming the leader of a military dictatorship, implementing martial law, harming civilians with extremely dangerous long lasting gas, oppressing freedom of transportation for members of the undercity and then finally RECEIVING ABSOLUTELY NO PUNISHMENT OR CONSEQUENCES FOR HER CRIMES. Jinx and Silco were punished over and over again, and as far as we know, both of them died for their crimes. There’s this saying “all cops are bastards”, that serves for Cait as well.
I am definitely of the opinion that one, if not the central, theme of this season is that the past defines us BUT what we've done in the past is less important than what we will do in the future. If we truly intend to change for the better, "it's never too late to build something new"
And that's why I think seeing Caitlyn "grovel" might have been satisfying to an audience but would have actually gone a much shorter way toward earning forgiveness than what she actually did in these final episodes, which was to perform actions that actually helped the people she hurt in the past. She sacrifices for the people of Zaun, she sacrifices for Vi, and she sacrifices for Vi's family. And for Vi, there is nothing more important than family and there is no better way to show it than to "shut the f up" and prove it with your actions
Expecting Caitlyn to have fully earned forgiveness/redemption before she and Vi make up is kind of missing the point. Cait says herself that she can never make up for what she's done. But she's shown that she intends to be better from now, no matter what it costs her, and whether Vi fully forgives her is unclear. We just know that that's enough for her to accept her into her life and her trust again
Well articulated comment
I mean Vi does forgive Caitlyn, just as she forgives Jinx, that's just who she is with the people she loves. That doesn't mean forgetting tho and that doesn't change the point, Arcane doesn't like the idea of the traditional redemptive moment, "redemption" is about trying to be better and living for tomorrow.
I honestly don't understand the hatred towards Caitlyn, the girl made a couple of mistakes (the gray one) by letting herself be carried away by pain and anger towards her mother's KILLER, and being manipulated by Ambessa who took advantage of her pain for her own benefit. I mean, it's not like Jinx hasn't been manipulated by Silco by filling her head with telling her that her sister abandoned her (she was kidnapped and locked up in jail for 10 years, she wasn't partying) and that she didn't love her and blah blah blah.
And I also don't think that trauma is a sufficient excuse to ignore a murder (Jinx did not hesitate to shoot the boy who looked like Vi in the back).
But that's my opinion, idk.
(Sorry, English is not my first language)
Let's not forget that as awful and twisted as using The Grey was, it was Caitlyn's way of stopping the council from flooding Zaun with an army of enforcers and going scorched earth on innocent civilians. Instead, she took a small force to surgically remove the Chem Barons. She was literally preventing as much harm as she thought possible and that was the only reason Vi agreed to go along with it.
Really well articulated comment! I agree
They were literally going to war where they thought they would probably die, i don’t think neither of them wanted to waste time lmao i applaud that they took advantage of the little time they had before going to a freaking war against God.
How dare they arrest jinx for going and murdering a bunch of people? I've been a jinx fan since the character was released but come on she's a literal murderer...
Literally people are forgetting to critical analysis characters without getting their judgment clouded. But yeah I agree
It’s like the Joker being arrested by Nazi Germany though, kinda rooting for Joker in that scenario.
I love her but batter then her Sister and her love sotry l dont care for them that much have nice day
Why are you guys in such a disbilief that Jinx was arrested? Or even hate Cait for that...
She's like ... a mass murderer, a terrorist. She killed countless ... whatever the trauma and motives she had ... She killed too many people ... good and bad people.
If there is a person that has reasons to be in prison is Jinx.
I know we all love her. I love her ... I actually cried in the episode 7 whe she was with Ekko, for thinking that she could be happy and free of all those traumas ... But come one guys, be reasonable ... That is no way that Cait is in the wrong for arresting her (wich she didn't actually, she just didn't have time to do something), or even saying that we can't erase or past ... We really can't. Of course we can try to reedeem ourselves, but for Jinx, that's a really long path
woke liberal brain thats why
@@kamilszczęsny-m9d different opinions based on different experiences in life, that's why. There is no right or wrong in this discussion. If she doesn't like Cait, it's her opinion.
I personally hated Cait until S2 Ep8 myself and I can understand why she thinks that way.
If you don't agree, that's also totally valid. In the end it's fiction, not real.
If you really want to go political over something like this like calling someone "woke and liberal", then you should quit watching their reaction 😅
@@RedCnMn then maybe peronal expriences in live shouldnt blind peope in reviewing the shon with ficional character dont you think
Because Viktor was right. Human beings can't think rationally because of their emotions. We see ourselves in criminals like Jinx and we want to forgive her
@@kamilszczęsny-m9ddawg it’s their personal reaction. If you’re gunna complain “wokeness” this ain’t the platform for you
cait is better than me. jinx killed her mother, kidnapped her and mentally tortured her yet she lets her go because her love for Vi was bigger than her hate. That's her apology and that's why Vi kissed her.
It's not about Jinx though, it's about Vi. Yes Caitlyn has every reason to go after Jinx, but that doesn't mean going after the whole of Zaun to find her. And it doesn't justify the things she said to Vi or hitting her, there's an important distinction there imo. it's fine if Caitlyn letting Jinx go was enough for you (and Vi), but for them and me personally there was more needed there to really root for them again as a couple
@@km9833 Caitlyn didn't go after all of Zaun. Cait found jinx through slico's goons.
To Vi, it was about jinx. jinx is her family.
Caitlyn pushing Vi by the butt of the gun is not something to be justified, however, it was meant to symbolic Cait pushing Vi away since to her it was the second time she stopped her from taking the shot. You can see Cait having trauma with that one since she keeps repeating " i had the shot" in a defeated voice. Caitlyn's character again like the rest of the cast is morally grey.
This is an animation show, which means every minute costs a fortune. Did i want more? yes, of course, why wouldn't i ?. The series uses the " show and not tell " during the whole show. Like characters don't say " i love you" not even once, instead; they show it.
@@Ayla_Lopez with going after Zaun I’m talking about act 2. The amount people they put in stillwater, the brutality that happened because of martial law on zaunites. And yes, Caitlyn didn’t personally order all that to happen, but she facilitates it. Just like Silco manipulating Jinx doesn’t excuse all that Jinx did, Ambessa manipulating Caitlyn doesn’t excuse all that Caitlyn did.
And this is just me personally but that hit in particular really soured things, particularly since Vi is someone who has a history of suffering abuse by enforcers. It bothers me that they never properly addressed it. Imo they could have left it out and still made everything else still occur the way it did and its easier to swallow. But again that’s just me, people can feel differently
@@km9833 Ambessa going behind Caitlyns back and using violence doesn't make it caitlyn's fault. That's why they show caitlyn at her mother's statue mourning her while Ambessa is well doing what Ambessa does. When Cait knew that Ambessa right hand man was using violence, she immediately confronts her.
Did cait get blind rage yes she did. Did she herself hurt civilians of Zaun, no she didn't. Did she order them to be violent, no she didn't.
@@Ayla_Lopez yeah i don't agree with Caitlyn having no fault for all that Ambessa did,. I dont think you and i will agree on this so i will leave the conversation here. Thank you for the respectful discussion about it though, those aren't always a given on here
each their own but i dont understand the cait hate. Yes when she talks to jinx and says "OUR crimes" she admits she has done some bad things herself. Rewatch episode 3 after she hits VI with her gun, before she turns around she looks down at VI seeing her crying and caits face changes to remorse before she turns and climbs, she knew it was wrong. In episode 4, she is already questioning ambessa and has nobody in her corner to get out, thats why when VI shows up in episode 6 and doesn't hold a grudge against cait, she knows she has someone that will help her get out. Jinx is one of my fav. characters but she has done alot worse than cait ever has but she gets a free pass? i dont understand it.
that's why I'm saying that the cait hate is so forced.
I've noticed some interesting and sometimes uncomfortable discussions going on in the Arcane fandom essentially about punitive justice vs restorative justice
Claims that Piltover deciding to be better and improve their relationship with Zaun isn't good enough. They have to be punished for what they did or it isn't right. And Caitlyn can't be forgiven for her wrongs until she is punished, humiliated, forced to SUFFER first
But if that's the only form of justice that matters, then what fate does someone like Jinx or Sevika or even Vi deserve? They've also committed some pretty heinous crimes against not just people of Piltover but of Zaun as well, haven't they?
Thank you for pointing this out! Suffering is what turned Cait into the worst version of herself in the first place. What made the Zaunites so desperate to commit ever increasing violence against Piltover and each other, what drove Piltover to retaliate. Arcane posits that suffering isn't the answer. Understanding, empathy, and forgiveness is.
Yesss good comment I’ve seen this around insta and TH-cam comments and honestly is scary to see that people want a group of characters to suffer then they can be forgiven. Like babes, I’m real life that’s not how it works. Anyway really liked reading you comment!
@@camiart_casualyessssss ❤
They’re not trying to do better, their acting in their best self interest as always and giving just enough power to keep Zaun in check and useful.
It’s not about suffering and punishment, it’s about self determination, reparations, and accountability.
Piltover, Caitlyn, the council don’t deserve to rule Zaun, they’ve abused their power. Punishment is not as important as taking away the power to do this again.
@@thomascochran7907 Sure, but that's a completely different subject from what I was talking about? I'm talking about the people who want punishment of Caitlyn more than they want happiness for Vi, who want suffering for the people of Piltover more than they want improvement for the people of Zaun
If we wanna talk about whether Piltover is doing enough for Zaun by the end of the series, we absolutely can. Because no, obviously not! One battle together was not enough to suddenly fix an entire country's systemic inequality, and frankly if it was, I would call that poor writing. Instead, we get a semi-realistic start. Clearly, only a few days or weeks at most have passed since the battle in those finale scenes, and like Caitlyn says, there is still a fight they need to be all in on to see real change and healing happen (And she is the first but hopefully not the last to literally sacrifice her own power over Zaun and Piltover, both as commander and as a councilor, to give it to the people of Zaun themselves)
I don't understand how Montana is so against Caitlyn for punching Vi when she was clearly grieving and at rock bottom, and she should have never been ut there on a hunting mission to kill the murderer of her own mother. She should've been on mandatory leave for a few days and absolutely banned from the case. And yes, she reacted poorly but given the situation is somewhat understandable. But then Jinx literally KILLED A LOT of people, not even self defence, it was straight terrorism and murder, and Montana's just so happy that she was set free after one good action. Cait has been good for the entire show, did ONE thing wrong, and suddenly she's the devil, whilst Jinx is just a misunderstood baby.
I don't judge, I love Jinx and love to see her free and out and about, but I also love Caitlyn and I think it's kind of unfair, given the context.
Your first sentence is WILD. Are you making excuses for domestic abuse? "She was grieving and at rock bottom" "reacted poorly" what? And "Cait was good for the entire show, did ONE thing wrong"? Did you watch season 2? WHAT?
@@4Tom4lepus4vi literally compared caitlyn to the mass murderer that killed her mother?? and you expect any other kind of reaction from her??? besides it is not domestic abuse because they weren't a established couple in that moment. it was just violence.
@@crisssstopher No, it's still domestic violence, even for "almost together". And you're still finding excuses for that. "and you expect any other kind of reaction from her?" wtf are you on honestly?
@@crisssstopher Ehm?? Rewatch the scene perhaps because it was CAITLYN comparing VI to Jinx by saying "It's her blood in your veins" and saying she thought Vi was different from the other people in Zaun "But you're not". How you ended up in your mind to blaming Vi for being abused - and OH PLEASE, they kissed, they were an item, let's be real here - is beyond me. "It was just violence"... Against someone who loves and trusts her and we'Re then supposed to root for them to get together.
@@4Tom4lepus4 i don't agree with cait pushing vi with butt of her gun. it was unnecessary and wrong.
i have a question, why did they ship ekko and jinx romantically even after the fact that ekko beat jinx face until it bleeds, he was even about to kill her plus she killed his friends? why didnt they keep the same energy there ?
The hatred towards Caitlyn makes no sense, she is the character with the best development in the series, if we talk about hating characters then we have to hate them all since they all made mistakes. They hate Cait but idolize Jinx who committed worse crimes. In the cell scene it shows the love that Caitlyn feels for Vi, deep inside she knew that she could lose her by leaving her without guards so that she could help her escape, that's why when she sees her in the cell she is surprised, and she also tells her that she was with someone. , which was not necessary since the two of them were never anything.
Never anything is not how I would put it. But I think I know what you mean. This viewer found it highly jarring to having Cait kissing Vi and saying she won't change and in 5 minutes viewing time, rifle butting Vi in the stomach with her monogrammed rifle. Not good. Really bad.
Caitlyn does have that look of remorse after hitting Vi, but she still leaves.(teenage Vi does try to come back after hitting Powder)
But yeah, She knew that Vi could leave with Jinx, but still let it happen. And the apprehension in her eyes, when she confesses to seeing someone. And the Pain in her eyes when Cait touches where she hit Vi in the stomach. Vi forgives Caitlyn and chooses her. But some people still want Caitlyn drawn and quartered and dropped in a vat of boiling oil, and then fed to the crows. Hey, even Jinx is on team caitvi. Can we please, even if you are outraged on Vi's behalf, let Vi have some happiness.
“Best development in the series” LMAOOO
@@popeyeschicken3535 Look up "Hyperbole"
41:22 right here Montana says something I consider important: If Vi's happy, I'm happy. Many people argue that Caitlyn and Vi's scene wasn't earned, that we needed more of an apology from Cait, that her actions weren't enough. To many people, Vi shouldn't have forgiven Cait as easily because, to them, Caitlyn's "apology" didn't count. But to Vi, it did, and that's all that matters. To us, it may seem rushed and undeserved, even unnecessary, but to Vi and Cait this scene I believe is VERY important for both their arcs.
Caitlyn has been obsessed with Jinx for months, wanting nothing more than to kill her after everything she put her through and what she did. In the process of her obsession, anger, guilt, grief, etc she lost herself AND Vi, abandoning her when she realized that no matter what, Vi would always choose Jinx first, because that's her sister, her family. But now, after doubting her for a while, she betrays Ambessa and lets Jinx go, allowing Vi to release Jinx and, as far as she knows, never see either of them again. Caitlyn chose Vi's happiness over her own anger and goals, because she loves her, and that's her way of apologizing and trying to make things up. "You really think I needed all the guards at the Hexgates?" turns into "I made sure this place would be empty so that you could release your sister, and leave." "Sorry to say, you've grown a bit predictable." turns into "I knew you were gonna do this, I knew you would choose her and release her and leave, and that's fine. I know you will choose your sister every time, and I am okay with that, even if it means never seeing you again."
As for Vi, we know she's a protector since she was a kid. She always puts others first and completely forgets about her own needs and wants over doing what other people need and want. This is Vi, for the first time, choosing herself. Choosing joy for herself, love for herself, and doing something she wants to do. Caitlyn's "apology" just made it clear to her how much she loves Cait, and I think it's beautiful how that happened. One of the writers, Amanda Overton, described this scene and Vi's character as "If I had no one left to protect, I would fall in love." and that is what she does. She essentially has no one left in her life except for Caitlyn, and for the first time ever, she doesn't have to care or protect anyone. She can just let herself love and be loved.
This was an absolute mess so sorry if it's confusing but you get what I mean!! I know at first this scene is very ??? what the hell. It's very sudden and feels off, but if you analyze deeper (which is something I love about this show, how everything makes much more sense and everything can be enjoyed much more once you analyze it because there's an incredible depth to it and it's characters) you can see why it happened and the character's reasons, thoughts, etc.
Also they were about to go to war, so really if it wasn't then, it could've never been. As far as they knew, either of them could and likely would die. This could've been their last chance at having a moment together.
I love Jinx with all my heart, but seriously, she has killed so many people, including parts of the governmentant in Piltover. Of course she would and should be arrested.
is always a red flag to me when people hate cait so much lol
I dont like her and her girl that much
I must say, Montana really overplays "Jinx was a child" card. She was, but by the time she was a teenager she killed people for fun, not even on Silco's requests. Forget Caitlyn's personal experience with her, locking Jinx up and waiting for Vi was already an act of huge restrain on Cait's part.
Can u explain a bit more on jinx killing people without silcos requests... btw this is not me coming for u, I'm genuinely asking
@@ashantibrowne2633 bruh didn't you watch season 1? she killed enforcers for fun. even silco was angry at her and jinx laughed about it. she also killed firelights, again, for fun.
@@ud2278 theres no evidence that she went out of her own way to kill any one for fun knowing it would only inconvenience silco. She more so went rogued or overboard trying to help silco or trying to make an "entrance".
@@ud2278 reason I'm asking is because I tend to forget stuff
@@ashantibrowne2633 in ep 4 season 1, when Jinx killed the enforcers on the explosion in Piltover, Silco was totally pissed at Jinx, he didn’t asked her to do it, she did it because she wanted to.
I hope you find it in your heart to forgive Caitlin. Ultimately, I think of her as a good person who made some mistakes out of grief and manipulation.
Vi finally has someone who loves her and whom she can love back. And that just makes me happy.
Yes but l am not fun of her that much here have nice day
I think holding a truly good person, and judging their whole character on their worst actions, especially one's they feel guilty for and were under great duress while making said actions, is pretty weird.. Speaking on Cait, she went through a whole lot, and i wouldn't expect anyone to not do what she did or worse. Considering everything that Jinx did to her, Cait still forgave her in the end and let her go. Cait realized she was wrong, and admitted to it through her actions. Idk. I feel like Cait redeemed herself quite a bit. She fell, she was in A LOT of pain, and self loathing, but she also got past it and i think Montana has to see that too
I guess should i go around judging genuinely good people because at some point they made a few bad mistakes? I don't think so. If that were the case Vander should be a bad guy too, just like Cait. And Vi. And Jayce. When none of them are bad people. Just have made mistakes. Like real people
“Yeah why should we judged the founding fathers for owning slavers and ignore all the good things that did.”
Really? Rulers have to be held to a higher standard, because their choices and wether their held accountable affects the entire system.
The greater a person's influence, the higher their moral standard must be. Take Ekko for example. He was orphaned, adopted by a man who he watched get slaughtered, lost his childhood friend and first love, was oppressed to the point of breathing toxic air by Topside, encountered his lost love who promptly killed practically his entire crew in front of him, was convinced his childhood friend turned on him when she showed up with an enforcer, attacked by Topside for trying to return the gemstone, blown up by his now crimelord former love, and anything else I've missed. He didn't become a terrorist or a military dictator. We cannot write Jinx or Cait off because their history led them down their path, but to say they get a pass for it is insane. This wasn't a few mistakes, it was unapologetically giving in to their darkest self, and that is not the sign of a 'genuinely good person'. Nobody is entirely good or bad, and boiling them down to 'good person' results in trying to justify the inexcusable like you just did.
I respect your opinion Montana but like Jinx killed her MOTHER of course she eont trust jinx that easily. And if you understood those words that Cait said before they start kissing "You really think i needed all the guards at the hexgates, sorry to say you've grown a bit predictable" she meant that she knew Vi and she knew that she will go after Jinx and will release her and she let her do it, because she trust Vi. But again, im nit justifying that Caitlyn hit why etc. Also i respect your opinion.
Great reaction btw 💗
nah! The Caitlyn hate is so forced and annoying tbh. Everytime I hear someone say they hate her, I just know they didn't undestant the show. What a waste...
Fun Fact: Apparently, that CaitVi scene was longer and heavily cut to avoid a TV-18 rating, but the creators said the full scene may be out there waiting to be found and leaked.
You do that. I'm good.
@@HaydrogenBomb ?
That scene seemed so misstimed and forced as it is, a more "intense" version of it is the last thing we need imo.
@@HaydrogenBomb wtf is your problem?
@@Emre.55 Vi finally chosing herself and giving herself time to love ? Vi thought Jinx betrayed her again, resulting in her losing Caitlyn.. again.. you know the girl she loves? the girl who she spend the last months crying and hallucinating?... said girl came and told her, "I knew you were gonna do this, i know you , i forgave your sister cause my love for you is bigger " so yeah you don't think Vi the person whos flaw is to love too much was gonna eat her right there and then?
Sorry but the difference between the s1 reaction and this is insane. I just felt like you guys were more understanding in the first one or may be I just had high expectations. cuz I was really waiting for this reaction so that you guys can finally understand the mindsets of certain charcaters and the writing choices for them better in this episode.
It's *incredibly* ironic that one of the first things Vi says to Caitlyn when they meet is "Undercity's gonna eat you alive." That is some Grade A foreshadowing.
Montana, let's forget EVERYTHING else jinx has done for a moment and let's see how you will act if someone literally murders someone CLOSE to you, IN FRONT of you, and also attacks THEIR memorial. :3
Jinx did not attack the memorial.
Also, as far as Jinx knew, there wasn't anyone in the Council building at that time. It was the middle of the night. The Council would not normally be meeting then. Jinx said it herself: "I didn't know your mom was there."
Also also, even if somebody had intentionally killed someone close to me and then attacked their memorial, I wouldn't use that as an excuse to use biological weapons on a city full of innocents and then instate a fascist government.
@@FrostyTheSnowPickle The writers confirmed + found in the comic book that Cait only attacked the chembarons ( who deserve it btw), she never attacked civilians of zaun, she used the ventilation system to purify the air and she destroyed shimmer ( which was how silco used to control the undercity ).
Cait was always against using violence. she went against the council wishes which was flooding Zaun with enforces, that's why she used the vents to get in faun with a squad of like 5.
@@FrostyTheSnowPickle Caitlyn didn't know Ambessa was orchestrating the attack. She and Piltover mistakenly blamed Jinx.
Caitlyn stopped the military invasion of Zaun because innocents would be harmed. She instead formed a strike force targeting Shimmer, the crime lord Chem Barons and Jinx who had attacked the ruling council without a declaration of war. As for the Grey, it is not a highly toxic gas (not saying they should be using it). It is a toxic waste from industrial activities enriching Piltover plutocrats. It is being used like a tear gas, in limited specific circumstances to target the Chem Barons and later Noxian invaders.
As for what Jinx knew, come on. She knew there was discussion to turn her over for Zaun independence. The lights were on for reason. Those lights were on because the Piltover elite were washing their hands of the damage they had caused by turning Zaun over to a crime lord oligarch. What the light provided was a big bright target.
Except I don't think it's really about Jinx for Montana. It's about how Caitlyn treated Vi after her mom died, which is inexcusable no matter which way you slice it.
U do realize jinx wasn't the one that attacked the memorial right maybe u should go rewatch that 😭
Anyone with eyes has surely realized this already, but Arcane has some of the most beautiful character designs I've *ever* seen in animation and season 2 somehow upped the basically flawless season 1 designs. I think every single character looks their best in act III. Mel's sorceress design, where they somehow managed to make the most beautiful woman in animation even more gorgeous, Caitlyn's ponytail, Jayce's beard look, and Vi's long hair all look incredible. We also get Ekko and Jinx's new designs in the finale as well as what is practically a brand new Viktor, and all of it looks so amazing.
Caitlin had a ponytail in season one. She barely looks any different.
Now, if you want a real glow-up, let's talk about Ambesse. Cause my word, every one of this woman's looks is FIRE.
Caitlyn's hair is much longer in this act and in my opinion looks better in a ponytail, and I also had her outfit in mind, which looks *much* better than the purple outfit she had in season 1.
Vi did tell Cait when they met that "Undercity's gonna eat you alive."
She made sure of it.😏
That is some masterful foreshadowing.
It was certainly a… DECISION. 😅
I see you everywhere 🥲
What u guys talking bout? Kate had every right to leave Vi when Vi basically choose her sister over kate
and compare her to mass murder criminal but hey jinx is a innocent
She almost shot a kid , did shot Vi, Vi was 100% in the right.
Vi didn’t choose Jinx over her, she choose to do the right thing.
At last, the Glorious Evolution is complete! Even as someone who's never played League, I was freaking out. Knowing what it means now, it hypes me up even more.
Is the reason for her hating Caitlin because of a visceral response from an experience she had in her life? I personally think that her hatred is childish & closed-minded. I watched many reactors & they didn’t give a response that biased. I'm guessing it hurts her to admit that Caitlin is redeemable, for what she “did” to Vi! As smart as she is, she’s blinded by her emotions.
yeah i feel like kenny kept trying to explain to montana why cait reacts the way she does (and gives really great reasons), but montana continues to hate - weird because she seems okay with everyone else even though most characters have made questionable decisions (love this channel btw, no hate, just observation)
Yeah she acts like cait is bad but not jinx some people 😂
ironically she didn't have ANY problem with Catra lmaooooooooooooooo
@@ud2278 LOL catrea litery wanted to end the world but hey catra is a poor working class girl so thats okay
@ Kenny was more pragmatic & open-minded about the whole situation yet he still wanted to bridge the two schools of thought. She was more emotional than intelligent regarding Cait & VI. I guess when your emotions take the wheel, you let it dictate your thought process & try to justify it In accordance with your feelings.
Definitely not agreeing with Montana
I loved seeing Silco talk to Jinx. He talked to her with calmness and patience in his voice because that's the kind of father figure he was to her. It was sad seeing her completely undone to the point that they had to take away anything she use as a weapon or tie up.
Me too love him and he care for her iş my favorite in show❤️
#TeamCaitlyn 🫶
Am not fun of her and her love sotry but have nice day ❤️
Silco is the only hallucination who isn't angry at Jinx like her friends are in season 1.
I’m incredibly disapointed by Kenny continuing on the “Vi’s responce is what created Jinx” train. He’s not the only person to say that, but it’s such a bad/simplistic take.
There’s clearly so many factors at play in her taking on this persona and actual adult characters that should have done better by her (and yes I would put Silco at the top of that category). To boil it all down to a single moment where a parentified teenager had a justified moment of weakness is bonkers.
I expected better comentary from you guys. 🤦♀️
That was more a reference to the other dimension where literally if vi died instead of the others Powder didn’t become jinx in episode 7. I guess now that I think about it more there were more factors based on timing and amount of people dying and such, but one takeaway I got from that episode was the response to the explosion itself shaped the world around it, and I think everyone can agree Vi’s lowest moment was when she slapped powder and walked away (to gather herself but never got the chance to talk to powder again, thus Silco taking over as her mentor, thus jinx). So I guess I could be wrong on that, but also we are analyzing like a bajillion things a week with all of these shows at once, we can’t get it all completely correct on a first time watch! I’d say 5/10 times when I rewatch the episode to edit I come away with slightly different opinions than when I initially watched it. I think it’s hard to judge a first time reaction vs when you have time to sit down and analyze. I’d say now that I’ve had time that was def a bit of a generalization, but I’d say that if Vi hugs powder there and says everything will be ok, I bet 99% of the time Jinx does not manifest. Anywho sorry to disappoint you with my lack of understanding 😭
@@LettsReact See there’s one person you put right in the middle of Vi and Jinx. Silco.
As other comments have very well pointed out Power had a number of other factors that have led her down the Jinx path, including Vi’s response, Milo’s comments, her environment and her own personal characteristics. But the biggest factor I’d say is without a doubt Silco’s mentorship that intentionally nurtured that side of her.
Vi’s response (awful but understandable) does not necessarily lead to Silco as if he had no agency in the matter - "...never got the chance to talk to powder again, thus Silco taking over as her mentor, thus jinx". He saw the state Powder was left in and made the decision to take her in and raise her in which way he saw fit.
Had a Vander 2.0 come along things might have been different, who can say? She’d probably still be very traumatized about the event and grieving but not turned into a murderer? As we see in the show Jinx is a multifaceted and complex person. But again, Vi had no hand in who would show up when Powder was at her weakest and most vulnerable. So I’d say that Vi’s reaction in that moment being considered the one and only turning point from Powder to Jinx, as if it’s a switch, isn’t a fair assessment. It was something she grew into.
(Btw this isn't supposed to be mean spirited in the slightest. I really enjoy watching you guys, you got some of the best reactions+analysis out here, keep thriving)
Love your kind spirit Kenny!
@ honestly, thank you for listening and taking in what I was saying.
I’ve seen so many people in the arcane fandom space dumping blame on Vi, expecially after 2x7 came out. People took it as evidence that “if if wasn’t for her eveything turns out fine” or “her death fixes everything” including Powder/Jinx. And to me that was not the message of the episode.
There are many factors why that world is so different, from the absence of hextech, to silco and vander reconciling, the undercity gangs were nowhere to be seen, SHIMMMER was no where to be seen. Surely in that world Vi’s death chages things, (after all one of the themes of the show is small actions/ big consequences) but to me her death was never “the catalist”, it’s “the trade off” we always see in AU episodes.
Vi’s death is there to remind us that no world is perfect, that even in a kinder timeline where people do the right thing, suffering and grief are unavoidable.
As for Powder in both worlds she lost her sister, but in one of them she had a loving family and a funtioning society, in the other…
Where do you get that Vi caused Jinx? That everything was just Vi hitting her. I don't think that's all. Of course it was important, made apparent by the choice of the name Jinx.
Still.
In the AU all kinds of stuff were different. Starting from the Job. Vander lives, Powder has a kinda healthy family which can help her with the grief about Vi and she's not responsible for multiple deaths. She actually helps people (there would be some arm flailing without her), etc
Exactly, saying that "Vi caused Jinx" is SEVERELY underplaying Silco's influence on her
@indigophase Not only Silco's influence. Also her own, being burdened with the death of her whole family. And Powder always had some crazyness inside her.
(There are Jinx scribblings in the very first scene (the bridge scene) of 1x1), making dolls of everybody (in the MU of Mylo and Claggor and it was creepy, but in AU of Vi, we thought that creepy? And in the artbook she apparently makes an Isha doll).
It’s because the characters say so themselves, and people just take their word at face value and believe them without looking into the complexities behind it
Many reference the tea party scene, in which jinx tells vi that she created her, as a source of proof for this but they’re misconstruing part of her meaning and not seeing the bigger picture. While yes, jinx does harbour a level of resentment and anger toward vi for her perceived abandonment, she’s also crediting vi for what she believes are positive attributes within her new identity, her resiliency, her strengths. It’s not just intended to be a giant diss against her sister, like much of the audience perceive it as. Similarly to how powder was vi’s reason to keep going, vi was hers - “you’re the reason I’m still alive”
Vi also faults herself for having “created the monster” which some point to as apparent evidence, but I don’t think the intention is for us to agree with her but more so to get insight into her perspective and tendency to self blame. She herself knows she didn’t intentionally abandon powder, but she phrases things in a way to assure she’s assigning blame to herself anyhow. It’s not “I was taken against my will and forcefully separated from her” it’s “I just ran away, I left her”
and like you said, there are a million other factors at play. Most notably and obviously silco, but also the conditions in which she was raised, pre existing mental illness and even mylo, who first referred to her as a jinx and was antagonistic toward her as kids. No one thing or person is solely responsible for having “caused” jinx, it’s an accumulation of a bunch of different moving parts
@scarlettwisteria
Wholeheartedly Agree.
The characters are "unrealiable narrators" so to speak, to put it in literary terms. (They aren't narrators at all, though)
A really important part, I think, what people don't get is that Vi really doesn't understand Powder/Jinx.
She loves her over everything but she doesn't get her. She didn't get Powder's abandonment issues in 1x3 (before they left to rescue Vander) and she doesn't get Jinx in 1x9 and tortures her with trying to get her to remember their family.
Their minds work completely differently: Vi takes on responsibility, personally, if it fails, she takes it as her own fault. She looks her problems in the eye, gets in close and punches them.
Powder otoh doesn't take responsibility, though, she just wants to help. Jinx fights at a distance and we see multiple times that she looks away shortly before she pulls the trigger (e.g. look at the scene where she shoots someone after the firelights fireworks on the bridge in 1x7)
The one time the responsibility takes Jinx (so to speak) is when she kills her family and it breaks her.
Viktor has officially become Horde Prime
19:05 fun fact, this line (my partner died in this room) is actually true. If you go back to the opening scene of episode 1, viktor has noticeably less clothes on when they arrive at the lab compared to right after the explosion, implying Jayce tried reviving him there first. And only after that failed did he bring Viktor to the hexcore. And after the hexcore merges with him, we see Viktor’s skeleton for about half a second and it’s fully split in half.
I don’t know if it was said here yet but I’m pretty sure Skye was a representation of Viktors humanity
I thought the same thing! Real or not, she was keeping him sane, grounded, and empathetic. Now that she's gone? Oof...
You can see that Noxus made a grave her Isha. Even though they weren't on the same side, she still stopped Vander/Warwick and recognize her as a warrior for her actions.
Wait where was her grave?
@jakobnunez4964 after burying Rictus, you can to the side another grave close by with what looks like Isha's hat that she always wore.
@@TheMadhatter1313 Damn dude thats a good spot. Totally missed that.
I think it's been debunked that it's not her hat.
@@titi3736 It's too big to be her hat, but it could possibly that the explosion was so big it left no remains, and the Noxians shaped a grave marker like the hat to honor her as best they could (it may have been the only thing they saw in the heat of battle)
I haven't seen anything to debunk that particular theory, so it's one I'm going to choose to believe for now
How in the HECK did they manage to make Mel somehow MORE attractive?! 😵
Jinx turned herself in, majority of the enforcers know her as a problem, so of course they’re going to arrest her. So honestly she (Caitlyn) was keeping her safe in the jail, since Jinx was obviously not in her right mind (devastated by Isha’s death), not eating her meals. She was in mourning and wanted to be arrested.
Also I think ya’ll weren’t noticing the passage of time between episodes, so every 3 episodes is it’s own period of time. In episode 6 it’s like years later, hence Vi’s hair growth and Cait learning fighting moves. So honestly Vi had time to slowly get over the lose of Cait and Cait who was with Maddie 🤢 I know we don’t like that she did that, but thats how some people try to move on. You could even tell when Cait was with Maddie she had no true feelings with her. So I think it wasn’t a quick make up especially when you know that it’s been months or years since them being together.
But nah Jinx was a little crazy for a while there when she was with Silco.
At first I feel annoying when read unnecessary reason of peoples hating on Cait, but lately I just laugh, they make her character so real peoples still debat about it 😂
I wonder, lot of you hate Caitlyn when she hurt Vi at Ep 3, fair, but why you didn't act same when Jinx did same thing in Ep 8? They hit Vi in same place, both mentally unstable, yet one get 'eww' reaction why others get 'aww', double standard much? 😂
Anyway cool reaction like always, thank you ~
My opinion. Sky was never there. She was killed in season one and was just gone. This was Viktor's last trace of humanity, an illusion he created for himself to cope with the isolation of his new existence. Until he gives up the last of his humanity for the final evolution. Sky can't stay because he won't have that part of himself that is creating her, and he won't miss her because he's giving up the capacity to feel that emotion.
HOW WERE THEY SO CALM dukfrikgkczgsfgjcigivkc🫠
That beserk take unlocked traumatized corners of my mind.
Sky in season 2 is used as a representation of Viktor's humanity
Cait: Wait, while you were gone, I saw someone else
Vi: Yeah, I don't care if you're married and the kids are in the other room
*The silence after THAT scene*
Montana..."THE ANIMATION"
❤😂
So we were discussing last episode what to call Viktor's followers (Hexites, Hex-zombies), but I think I've figured it out:
Hex-Techies.
i understand all the characters especially jinx and cait because i believe in that theory that they are the opposites sides of the same coin, and the caitvi scene made me happy im not gonna lie but the timing just felt… idk.) as a couple the writers did they very dirty we just needed a more character development especially after episode 3 because all the situations was just too complicated and both of them was passing through very difficult times. i have mixed feelings bc at the same time i can understand all of them ( vi cait and jinx) in that moment
I think we all knew what scene this song was gonna be in when we heard about it lol
-Season 2 Episode 8 Fantastic Lyrics (Vocals by King Princess):
[Verse 1]
And I'm thinking of you
When I’m up here higher than God (Higher than God)
Feeling strange 'bout the way we left things in the back of the car (Back of the car)
[Pre-Chorus]
Mm, can't believe that I’m in pain
Help me disassociate
I just wanna be a good passenger
[Chorus]
I'm feeling fantastic, I'm fucking fantastic
I wanna get drunk and watch American classics
Drink champagne out of plastic
Don't you want someone crazy like me, babe?
I'm feeling amazing, I'm fucking amazing
I'm high as a kite, I'm sat here picturing you naked
You just have to take it
If you want someone crazy like me, babe
[Verse 2]
I be thinking about you
While you’rе down there being a doll
It’s еither a curse or a blessing
Every time that you call, oh
[Pre-Chorus]
Mm, can't believe that I’m in pain
Help me disassociate
I just wanna be a good passenger
[Chorus]
I'm feeling fantastic, I'm fucking fantastic
I wanna get drunk and watch American classics
Drink champagne out of plastic
Don't you want someone crazy like me, babe? (Crazy like me)
I’m feeling amazing, I'm fucking amazing
I'm high as a kite, I'm sat here picturing you naked
You just have to take it (Take it)
If you want someone crazy like me, babe
[Outro]
And I'm thinking of you
When I'm up here higher than God
💜
Mel has always been a goddess she just has powers now ❤️😌
Hope you guys don't consider this a spoiler, but those "rune things" that the guard had is a unique and very special item called Kaenic Rookern. In game it provides health, magic resistance, and a magic shield! Super cool to see it show up in the show.
Also super looking forward to seeing you guys react to Episode 9! It's a doozy
Viktor speaking through the others like a hive mind is like they took the Ultron thing and made it so creepy and weird.
29:14 oh what a coincidence, Hailee Steinfeld has a song called "Rock Bottom" XD
Jayce use to welcome Mel's affection, but after so long in an apocalyptic future has made him want to distance himself from her.
Seeing the sneak peek for your Ep 9 reaction actually made me giggle 😭
i definitely understand why many people wanted a direct, verbal apology from cait. but personally i found her *actions* to repair her relationship with vi more compelling than *words* ever could.
she literally lets jinx-the person who has tried to kill her multiple times, kidnapped her, killed her mom, killed her coworkers in front of her eyes, and launched an explosion at her city-escape with zero consequences all because jinx is vi's sister and she loves vi. and in doing so she risks her job, the job she has spent her entire life going against her parents' wishes to have, because she loves vi. and she lets go of her hate for jinx, which has fueled every single one of her actions in season 2 up until this point, because she loves vi. and she lets go of the desire to bring justice to her mother's death, because she loves vi. and she very well assumed vi was going to leave with jinx and never return, so she was willing to let *vi* go, because she loves her.
and i personally preferred that instead of using screentime to have cait verbally apologize, that time is used to show her apology through actions, the latter *actually* showing cait is willing to improve. it's one thing to simply say you regret a hurtful decision, and it's imo more impactful to go out and actively make good decisions going forward, y'know?
yea... viktor is definitely what i remember most from this episode...
Totally...*cough cough*
ah yes the "undercity is going to eat you alive" callback episode
Petition for starting Parasyte: The Maxim - Day 9 ❤
A 24 episode long anime with an amazing story and deep emotions ❤️🔥❤️🔥
Y'know...Episode 8 of season 1 talked about Oil and Water...Episode 8 of this season is gonna go over different liqu...you know what no, I'm not finishing that joke. 💜
Appreciated
One of Skye's first words to Viktor are "You Will", her last to him are "You won't"
"There is no good version of me." That hits hard, especially after seeing the last episode, where Powder got the love and support she needed after suffering from tragedy, and seemed to be happy and well-adjusted. But Jinx is aptly named; her life was nothing but bad luck, and every time she got a bit of happiness, circumstances or the universe took it away from her. No wonder she's given up.
I really appreciated the conversation/confrontation between Caitlyn and Jinx, especially Caitlyn saying 'our' crimes and that she simply doesn't have the energy to hate Jinx anymore. As you stated, almost every character in this show has done bad things; who has done worse to who is a question that can be endlessly debated. At some point, if you want things to get better, someone has to break the cycle. Justice is important, but it can't devolve to revenge.
I also liked that Jinx offered a small olive branch to Caitlyn, telling her that she didn't know Caitlyn's mom was there when Jinx attacked, and even admitting that it probably wouldn't have changed anything. I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse for Caitlyn, knowing that it wasn't personal, but it was something.
I would like Ambessa more if she wasn't so smug, self-righteous, condescending, and hypocritical. She's always so utterly certain that her decisions were the correct ones, and that only she knows the 'correct' path forward. It's especially galling that Ambessa lectures Mel on how mages are unfair, while also affixing anti-magic runes to her arm and after making a deal with Viktor for him to magically enhance her soldiers. In the end, Ambessa only truly cares about her personal power, via her own body and mind, or by soldiers she personally commands.
Ambessa shed a tear when talking about Keno with Mel..
-Season 2 Episode 8 The Line Lyrics (Vocals by Twenty One Pilots):
[Chorus]
My body's on the line now
I can't fight this time now
I can feel the light shine on my face
Did I disappoint you?
Will they still let me over
If I cross the line?
[Verse 1]
Take a seat
But I'd rather you not be here for
What could be my final form
Stay your pretty eyes on course
Keep the memories of who I was before
So stay with me because
[Chorus]
My body's on the line now
I can't fight this time now
I can feel the light shine on my face
Did I disappoint you?
Will they still let me over
If I cross the line?
[Verse 2]
Honestly
I thought I was fully prepared for
The threshold in store
Stay your pretty eyes on course
I guess I never really faced my fears before
So stay with me because
[Chorus]
My body's on the line now
Pull the blanket tight now
I can feel the light shine on my face
Did I disappoint you?
Will they still let me over
If I cross the line?
[Instrumental Break]
[Chorus]
[Chorus]
Please don't let them see me
Sure there's nothing left to try
I can feel the light shine on my face
Did I disappoint you?
Will they still let me over
If I cross the line?
[Outro]
If I cross the line
If I cross the line
💜
Oh dang, I didn't realize this was Twenty-One Pilots.
Sky is like humanity in Victor, when doctor begins the process, the Victor looses the least humanity he had in him, that's why Sky dissapears.
I don't think Jonx literally had the hextech gem. I think it's a metaphor for the purpose that Silco had instilled in her since childhood, the war against Piltover.
In her hallucination of him, he had a glowing blue eye, like the gem.
Her pulling the gem out of her mouth was essentially like removing the poison from her body, but it's all she's known. Giving up on that hatred has left her empty and without purpose.
Kenny any time a man and woman are within 100 feet of each other: are they a couple? lmao
I agree Cait deserved some kind of remdeption arch, but yeah, nobody is innocent in this story.
The funny thing is if Cait remained as pure as she was in season 1, people would complain that she's an empty character that's not worth spending screen time on. So yeah, here she becomes conflicted and 'interesting' and we all are judging? Everything she did makes sense from her perspective, doesn't make it all acceptable, but idk how her actions aren't at least understandable.
Vi has to stop holding onto people. This is the second time she’s been gut checked as a response. To make it worse, they probably do it because breaking her grip would be hard. 💀
I'd love to see you guys react to the live performance of some of the songs from Arcane that they did for the 2024 Game Awards! It's not overselling it to say that it's a brain-chemistry-altering performance. I've been obsessed with the League lore for years, if you guys want some recommendations for cinematics to watch that take place in the Arcane universe, I'd be happy to send some links :D
Ahh yes... Griffith... May his name be forgetten for all eternity
I just finished the series last night I'll never be able to feel it again for first time
You guys gonna watch the season cinematic right?
Another engaging and entertaining Reaction to Arcane, fine folks.
1 Alternate Piltover Powder putting Prime Piltover Ekko's farewell necklace with the Janus ornament of his and Powder's profiles into and closing the Vi drawer of her sister's shrine suggests that's where she puts profound mementos of a lost loved one, signifying the end of that chapter of her life, ipso facto zero Alternate Piltover Hextech pursuit, precluding the cycle.
2 Both your insights on the recurrent themes of estranged contrasting sibling duos reconciling for a common goal - Sisters Vi/Powder, Brothers Jace/Victor - paralleling the recurrence of Topside and Undercity unifying-dividing-reunifying for the common goal of preserving Piltover from threats beyond, brought to my mind that Topside and Undercity are also a duo of estranged-reconciled contrasting siblings.
I have to keep bringing it up, that is NOT VIKTOR. He is quite literally losing his humanity each time, so he's not changing his morals... he's slowly losing himself to it. That's not HIM from the first arc of Season 1, he's slowly having parts of himself being replaced, his "morals" changing and him not being the same is literally what is occurring.
I really like Kenny's analysis of CaitVi, well done, maybe it's not a perfect way to get forgiveness but Cait is just doing the absolute best thing she can do with what she has and throws away a lot of what she was holding on to. She really tried to help Vander too which should come in to it too, she's changed... does it make up for everything? No, Jinx does good too sometimes but she is a literal mass murderer. Is Cait changing? Absolutely, is it good enough? For who? For every viewer? or for Vi who was given freedom by Cait, teamed up with Cait... betrayed by Cait but then Cait shows her old side of just being the best she can, maybe that's what Vi wants.
So, this show is the only one on the channel to have actual s*x scenes in it, correct?
Shows like Chainsaw Man, Invincible, and Cyberpunk: Edgerunners came close (the first one, scarily so), but Arcane's the obly one I've seen to actually depict it.
Can we talk about Kenny’s shirt 😅
I will say... certain (animated) shows come along that just change everything, and are so good, they beat out any live action show possible in those years. I'm talking about Avatar the Last Airbender, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Attack on Titan and now Arcane. I think Arcane should EASILY sweep any award show for shows (I.E. Emmy's)... now will it? unfortunately probably not because it's animated.. that shouldn't make a difference with these particular shows.. but it probably will
I will defend JINX , but won't hate CAIT too 😊
How many times do we have to see Vander die? Jeebus.
For glorious evolution
The face split is one of my favorite parts. Like watching Lucifer become a demon for the first time. Tragic.
🙏 pls one punch man or mashle magic and muscle as the next series they are peak im telling you peak 😭 🙏
Day 3 of asking Letts React to watch Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Day 79 of asking you guys to watch Re: zero
Twenty One Pilots banger
Since you reacted to Hazbin Hotel, would you want to react to Helluva Boss
37:06 I blame jayce.
Day 9 of asking for BLEACH
Thank you for the video! The reason I liked this series is that I think they handle animation brilliantly! 👌🤩 The story was exciting and enjoyable, but what was a clear winner for me was the animation.
If I may I would recommend another series that stands out not for its animation, but for its approach to the subject.
We observe people from the perspective of the UFOs and they have fascinating insights into us. I could absolutely identify with some of the scenes.
The cartoon series name is Hello Humans! from Wonder Visuals Network. Episodes are completely free!👽🖖
Can you guys react to Naruto
Pretty sure Kenny's seen it