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  • According to TPN Credit Bureau, the number of residential tenants squatting is on the rise. eNCA speaks to property analyst, Michelle Dickens. Courtesy #DStv403

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  • @jasonmackay2604
    @jasonmackay2604 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Here’s something my law of lease professor told me: once a tenant fails to pay, you can’t just kick them out, but you can invite anyone else into that property. So you can get someone to go live there and make that squatter’s life hell.

    • @gsaitama8729
      @gsaitama8729 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Jason Co habitation. Works Like a Bomb. It makes the Current Tenant Life so Uncomfortable that they Eventually Move. Cook Eat Shower you Name it. With in One Day they out of there. 🤣

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And find yourself wearing free orange overalls in prison for up to two years with a huge fine of up to R20000 and a criminal record affecting your employment in the future. Not good advice from a law professor.

    • @BanditZA
      @BanditZA ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don’t think that’s part of the law anymore. Lease implies possession and use. You can’t invite someone else in because you’ve already handed possession over.
      The golden rule is that you can’t transfer more rights than you have.

    • @sleeper_cell3918
      @sleeper_cell3918 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes, i know of people that have hired people to do that, they pay them about R10 000 to R15 000 and a group of 5 to 8 men move in, they take over the rooms, they eat their food, wear their clothes etc and live there until the non paying tenants leave

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sleeper_cell3918 until the owner ends up with a tenant who knows the law and finds himself out of R20000 due to a fine as well as two years free accommodation at state expense while getting a nifty orange overall to wear every day too. That action is very illegal and those men moving in will find themselves arrested and facing a barrage of charges too. And if there is a person "hiring out" thugs like these he will be nailed too. Big trouble all around. I get non paying tenants out in 30 days legally. Why go the illegal route and become a criminal?

  • @honesttruth2237
    @honesttruth2237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    There is a law in South Africa called Trespassing. If a person doesn't have a right to be on a property they should be arrested and removed. It is a crime.

    • @jditsheho
      @jditsheho ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its not that simple.

  • @AlbertvWyk
    @AlbertvWyk ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Lets be honest about a few things:
    1. SA has a squatter culture... While you might own a piece of land somewhere, when you move to a town for work, you will squat outside of town while you work inside the town and then send money back to your wife, mother, etc. at home.
    2. SA has also has a opportunistic criminal culture... While protesting, you will find that some might riot and loot and then steel, because the opportunity arose. The same now goes for those that do seek out property to rent in the rental market, desperate landlords giving fist time renters a gap and then struggle to get those people out, simply because it was seen in the market how tuff it is to get rid of non-paying tenants and that there is very little you can loose by not paying the rent and then squatting.
    3. SA's legal system then has the habit of not being able to apply the law equally, or promptly, very often dragging race into the court room and South Africans has long realized that they can and will get away with their illegal activities.
    My very last point is that owning and renting comes with risks, and if you cannot for see a risk and take the needed steps to minimize the risk, don't expect the government to come to the aid of its private sectors pocket any time soon. I for one would also not advocate for Government to step in. Investing in property has risks, this being one of them, and hence not for all.

  • @cloudstrife8791
    @cloudstrife8791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    pay for a month dont pay anymore expect 3-4 free living space before getting kicked out (repeat) sounds like a trend coming.

    • @9m9ify
      @9m9ify ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you late...they already know

  • @chantelvanvuuren6515
    @chantelvanvuuren6515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The landlords,especially in Cape town is way too expensive, therefore people can't pay or if anything happens, like food prices going up,fuel prices up,up,up,they just can't pay.If the landlords stop asking bond prices, which the tenants in the first place can't afford or they would have bought their own house as a matter of fact,absolute greed in a country that is falling apart.By the way the interest rate went up last week.

    • @sueelliott4793
      @sueelliott4793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Its world wide sister. 'The world as we know it' has gone.

    • @getalifestopspyinghacker3285
      @getalifestopspyinghacker3285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So true. It's only Cape Town that has very high rentals. It's a whole scam compare to what you get in Jhb for the same cost. The rental policies should be revised to suite all pockets fairly. Landlords are getting way to greedy.

    • @canadianstar3586
      @canadianstar3586 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sueelliott4793, the difference in a first world country is there free education, free medical and exceptional social benefits that are non existent in SA

    • @seanstockenstroom1266
      @seanstockenstroom1266 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I see the same issue living here in Cape Town. The rentals these landlords want is exhorbitant , especially if you look at the size of these flats. The majority of young people already cant afford to buy property in Cape Town. At the end of the day its all about greed...making more money at the expense of those that are barely surviving.

    • @shanaazabrahams1319
      @shanaazabrahams1319 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you can't afford then go for cheaper.

  • @fernandopita770
    @fernandopita770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    There should not be a technical process. You not paying then you should not be there. The law should automatically recognize it. Now you gotta drag it in a tribunal then court... seriously nobody in gov see how wrong it is.

  • @sue-zedejager204
    @sue-zedejager204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The law is for the Tennant poor landlord have no right. Require court order can take months and costly.

    • @sifisodube4686
      @sifisodube4686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep people can do what they want with your house it's crazy hey.

    • @yoliswa5390
      @yoliswa5390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sifisodube4686 criminals ruling the country, what do we expect

    • @sifisodube4686
      @sifisodube4686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yoliswa5390 exactly 💯 I fully agree with you 👍

    • @vaughangarrick
      @vaughangarrick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know plenty landlords that abuse their tenants... Most never pay back the deposit

    • @sifisodube4686
      @sifisodube4686 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vaughangarrick it's really said indeed thanks for your reply

  • @redroom511
    @redroom511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's about time that the eviction process be revised. If you can't pay, you have to move out. As an Agent I meet too many people who wants to rent the newest properties that are more expensive than an older properties. Their spendable income doesn't justify renting the newest property, but still they don't want to live in an older, well maintained home.

    • @nomalangandlovu3177
      @nomalangandlovu3177 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hie sorry to ask but I wanted to know if a Landlord gives a tenant a notice because they want to come back to their house if its a 2 month notice does the tenant have to keep paying for those 2 months

    • @jditsheho
      @jditsheho ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What the media is not discussing is the increase in a number of houses in estates that is now vacant. Many people are moving back to their parents to cut the cost of living because our economy is failing workers while many companies are also liquidating.

  • @liezelvanwyk4079
    @liezelvanwyk4079 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Why does Landlords have to pay to get people out of their properties. Honestly this is crazy.

    • @novaxdjokovpn8433
      @novaxdjokovpn8433 ปีที่แล้ว

      They pay the braatjies om te skiet en skop does varke uit! Homes should never be for rental investment... Buy offshore assets instead!

    • @shanaazabrahams1319
      @shanaazabrahams1319 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@novaxdjokovpn8433 oh phuck off

  • @karinodendaal5277
    @karinodendaal5277 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have a tenant residing on my property. Living in one of my furnished garden apartments. She has wrecked the place and does as she pleases. She brought in a washing machine and a tumble dryer and denies using it but says she is entitled to do her washing etc. The rental is inclusive of electricity however it has not been taken into consideration the extra usage of these appliances. She refuses me entry to her apartment and lied to the court in order to obtain a harasment case against me. When I tried to approach the court about her lies, obstructing the course of justice, the tenant and her wriley lawyer embarked on a method to exhaust my funds by the time we go to.court. which is exactly what happened. They brought numerous law suits against me I.e moving my own garden tap which was situated outside her apartment. She suddenly claimed rights to the tap! My only garden tap to water my garden and fill.my pool! I was arrested and charged criminaly for this act!
    And then a civil matter of spoilation was brought against me as well. They exhausted over R400 000 in legal fees of mine.
    And when I had a mental breakdown they extorted 8 months free accommodation out-of me as I had no money to defend myself any further. In lieu of withdrawing the charges.
    She is currently still living here and turning my life into a hell. I have some wonderful tenants but these criminals need to be jailed.
    If you don't have money for a lawyer then you have no rights!!!!
    She parks in front of my driveway and I can't get access.
    The police do nothing.

    • @adeshm12
      @adeshm12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      try other avenues

    • @seanstockenstroom1266
      @seanstockenstroom1266 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I understand your frustrations and sorry to hear about your predicament. However be cautious of making a comment like....If you dont have money for a lawyer, then you have no rights...Everyone has rights whether they can afford a lawyer or not!!!!

    • @nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219
      @nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I know some guys you can hire. They will have her packing her bags within 10 minutes

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Everyone advocating illegal advice here have clearly not read the post properly. She already has a spoliation order against her. That is an order given by the court on the basis that she deprived someone illegally of something they had in their possession. This can result in a large fine and also jail time for two years. Be careful just throwing advice around. The posters tenant is clearly a problem.

    • @9m9ify
      @9m9ify ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jay-Leigh863 she is "connected" and abusing someone legaly....the day her fake lawyer needs money more than ass, sparks will fly.

  • @trevorfillas1262
    @trevorfillas1262 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've rented a building for 3years always payed on time. Never missed a payment. I was retrenched. I couldn't pay rent for 5 months. We spoke. I maintained the yard. Cut down on water lights to make it easier for landlord. I now got a job and I'm paying R2000 extra as agreed till I'll be level with payments.

  • @vasiegovender6056
    @vasiegovender6056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have been in an apartment for 5 yes years. My rent was paid regularly every single month. Than I had covid and then a stroke but I paid. Than they sent debt collector's and my attorney wrote to the agent. How ever I appeared in court and the magistrate was not impressed with the agency and asked them why should she grant me eviction. Now I have paid for and they don't want to remove the legal fees. But now I'm just paying my rent and not the leagal fees because I was in contact with the agency stating that I'm in hospital and I will pay. So I don't understand. The thing is the supervisor of the complex see my health situation but I make my payments I'm not responsible for leagal fees.

  • @gsaitama8729
    @gsaitama8729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Disagree. Rental Tribunal has authority. As they operate as Court . First is Mediation and then Aberration. Tenants Receive Judgement and we have seen Evictions with attachments. Process takes up to 3 Months report immediately if no payment after 2 Months. Landlord should not wait. Lawyers Charge up R30000 and drag the Process out.

  • @loveofsports7096
    @loveofsports7096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not 3 to 4 months, rather up to 6 to 12 months, that's a fact!

  • @nelanpillay950
    @nelanpillay950 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pull the doors off

  • @chon.nk.7550
    @chon.nk.7550 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This makes no sense. You should vacate the premise the moment you fail to pay your rents unless you get into an extension agreement with the landlord. It should be that simple. Because renters are now taking advantage of the system to stay in houses illegally and not pay rent. And you wonder why people get killed over such nonsense.

  • @roxannefleissner4913
    @roxannefleissner4913 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Then should landlords pay rates and taxes if tenants aren't paying? just asking for a friend.

    • @9m9ify
      @9m9ify ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bank is no friend to anyone...you loose they win

  • @nickwood1852
    @nickwood1852 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The law is to blame as the tenants has more rights than the landlord owner of his own property. The law must change that the police can forcefully remove non paying tenant but in SA criminals has more rights unfortunately

  • @yeoss
    @yeoss ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This gets my hammer and my sickle raising.

  • @Africannabis
    @Africannabis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The bad patch was the government response to the pandemic

  • @banziimavuso9974
    @banziimavuso9974 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I empathize with landlords who experience bad paying tenants and I also understand how some landlords are just horrible and refuse to even accept proof once you have began to claim funds you are owed by an ex employer especially when it is documented that the process takes time also after such landlords have not bothered to pay your award. Lol, man this is deep.

  • @sifisodube4686
    @sifisodube4686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Difficult times indeed for every one I fill sorry for the landlord

  • @redeemablesoul
    @redeemablesoul ปีที่แล้ว

    😳😳 and i wanted to invest in a property...thanks for the info.

  • @chillyman7340
    @chillyman7340 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    South Africans need to stop talking about such issues as if they are new or never expected them. If people can't find work or a job where are they supposed to get money from?

    • @dimakatso9566
      @dimakatso9566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Then move out and go to a place that you can afford. Some of us are still paying bonds of our rental properties. It is not fair that the landlord should pay her bond, and the tenant wants to live in a property for free.

    • @tebogomoeng5517
      @tebogomoeng5517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Heee bathong, go back to your parents and let the landlord get a paying tenant they also have a bond and other expenses to pay, bona where should they get the money kante

    • @maphslets84
      @maphslets84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So is the landlord s bond being paid by the government? If electricity tariff go up its doesn't affect the landlord? Ur reasoning capacity is something else. I don't have a property but I can never do such a thing

    • @mysands1211
      @mysands1211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @CHILLY MAN ....Did you apply your mind before writing this.... appalling indeed

    • @chillyman7340
      @chillyman7340 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mysands1211 I never said I agreed with tenants no paying their rent. All I merely stated was that the government should have seen this coming all along. The domino effect is happening now and how people never saw this coming is beyond me, I don't know what people expected or thought would happen when the economy is clearly not doing well.

  • @milktart4591
    @milktart4591 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ALOT of landlords lost their homes

    • @littleninjamofo9841
      @littleninjamofo9841 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MOST OF THESE PROPERTIES BELONG TO THE SAN/KHOI PEOPLE. NOT THE INVADING ENGLISH \ BOERS OR THE NUGUNI.

    • @milktart4591
      @milktart4591 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@littleninjamofo9841 I must assume you haven't finished highschool or failed in history class.

    • @littleninjamofo9841
      @littleninjamofo9841 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@milktart4591 . HI DOPEY. I AM ACTUALLY AN EX BIOCHEMIST WITH THE QUEENS AWARD. I KNOW SOME BIG WORDS THAT WILL FINALLY MAKE UR BALlZ drop. Ex pat UK 23 yrs

  • @RBC413
    @RBC413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Screw this... I'll chuck them out.... but only if they don't meet me half way

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว

      And go to jail for your efforts. Not nearly as easy as you think it is

  • @brianlawrenson2815
    @brianlawrenson2815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No lease month by month no pay lock out remove furniture dump it on the pavement l will never have a tenant again

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do that and you could find yourself wearing free orange overalls behind bars for two years.

    • @brianlawrenson2815
      @brianlawrenson2815 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jay-Leigh863 oh yes but not to me

  • @mossfairy3060
    @mossfairy3060 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ridiculous, I throw them out.let them take me to court

    • @makeithappen7646
      @makeithappen7646 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly, that's what I do when they start giving me attitude instead of meeting me halfway.

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the first time you get a tenant who know the law you will be in jail for 2 years and have a huge fine of up to R20000. There are legal and much cheaper ways to do this.

    • @mossfairy3060
      @mossfairy3060 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jay-Leigh863 where do you find a cheap attorney,especially after you rent hasnt been paid,you cant yo to the bank and cry stories to them about tenants not paying! If they dont pay they must go..I'll take my chances

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mossfairy3060 that's the very problem. There is no such thing as a cheap attorney and you can't approach legal aid neither. I deal with the problem of non paying tenants every day and that's why I put together an affordable and legal method to assist property owners without causing them more grief. Trust me you don't want to take a chance. The wrong person crosses swords with you and you will have headaches increased by a factor of 10. No kidding.

  • @marksmith-od7sg
    @marksmith-od7sg ปีที่แล้ว

    ENCA stop using old footage. Our complex does not look like that anymore. WTF

  • @Jay-Leigh863
    @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reading the comments there is a lot of "advice" casually being thrown around that would get property owners into serious trouble with huge fines and even prison time of up to two years. There are legal and cheaper options. It's what I do so property owners with a problem could message me.

    • @9m9ify
      @9m9ify ปีที่แล้ว

      how and price?

  • @yousufbux849
    @yousufbux849 ปีที่แล้ว

    This country's laws arw such a F up its not even funny. We need a new govt with brains quickly.

  • @evelynmaketa9237
    @evelynmaketa9237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bolted the doors and windows until you get another tenant's.

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And find yourself doing a two year jail time.

    • @banziimavuso9974
      @banziimavuso9974 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol, this is illegal. The rental tribunal will get you locked up.

    • @gingertwala8474
      @gingertwala8474 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jay-Leigh863 Hi Glenn, I've been reading your advise to a lot of commentary & would like to ask something pls: what if your landlord decided to terminate your lease agreement in April 2022 & not renew after living in her property for 5yrs approx. Bearing in mind that COVID adversely affected everyone but the tenant made inroads to pay rent though at times not full amounts but during the 2021 till current made full rental payments to a point where the tenant even overtook paying off the water & levies ontop of the monthly rentals because the landlord had decided to stop paying the water & lights. The very landlord continued to accept rental payment in May 2022 with the tenant asking the landlord her decision of not renewing the lease, the landlord said she's reconsider but never did but then started harassing the tenant via unsavoury texts to date, June rental payment was made, July paid even August 2022 rental paid but the landlord decided to bring 5 unidentified males to evict the tenant: on the 2nd of July 2022 without a proper court order then locked the tenant out, upon advise the tenant was advised by the lawyer to move their furniture back into the unit, then the housing tribunal had intervened as the time & the matter meant to sit on the 5 July 2022 but didn't as the landlord sent mail stating her unavailability. The landlord again came with a 'sherriff' with a court order on the 25 July 2022 but the sheriff refused to give the tenant a copy of that eviction notice even on the insistence of the tenant's lawyer demanding that over the phone. The tenant's belongings were again removed by the landlord. This past Friday, the landlord came announced & wanted to gain entry into the unit but the locks had been changed by the tenant & she started causing a racket & banging on windows, police had to be called but our police always fail us, they only arrived an hour later as the tenant has made many attempts to have the landlord sign the protection order but the landlord is always elusive. As I type this, the tenant is awaiting another date from the tribunal as there was spoliation, damage to tenant's furniture & the constant harassment by the landlord, any recourse in this regard Glenn?

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gingertwala8474 Yours is an interesting case but I can see by reading your comment that you already have retained an attorney so I may not advise you right now. If you no longer have an attorney then we can talk.

    • @gingertwala8474
      @gingertwala8474 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jay-Leigh863 the attorney was for those illegal evictions but as you know lawyers are expensive & I unfortunately cannot afford one but have had to go via the tribunal where we're awaiting a new date for the sit-down.

  • @thembimaseko4756
    @thembimaseko4756 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Make the rent low people are loosing their jobs everyday

    • @xhosakoloni4716
      @xhosakoloni4716 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, how to pay bond, rates and maintain property.

    • @mysands1211
      @mysands1211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      People should learn to downgrade, that's it

    • @goverflow
      @goverflow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What about the landlord paying off their bond? Best is to always talk to the landlord or agent and discuss a way forward. Just not paying is worse for the tenant.

  • @btfd4952
    @btfd4952 ปีที่แล้ว

    Terrible journalism. A slight increase from 0.4% to 0.6% hardly justifies this title in BOLD LETTERS!!!

  • @TsotsiLife
    @TsotsiLife 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Name and shame them is all I can think of. Same thing happened to my parents with tenants taking advantage of the law. Planning on putting posters throughout the town and even want to make a Facebook sponsored post 😂. Only way is for people to know them.

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว

      Quickest way to get yourself in trouble today is name and shame.

    • @9m9ify
      @9m9ify ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jay-Leigh863 this very Bureau is doing that legaly for a fee....I am still deciding between individual and business subscription.

    • @Jay-Leigh863
      @Jay-Leigh863 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@9m9ify that's not what they are doing. They are a form of credit bureau and are working within the law.

  • @afeefacellularhamzacellula4730
    @afeefacellularhamzacellula4730 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Put them out yourself, they will be out on their asses before they know it

    • @nickwood1852
      @nickwood1852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can't remove them yourself is a criminal offense you can get a fine or go to jail you can't even switch the water off as that can also land you as a landlord in lots of trouble the only way is for a sherif of the court to remove them and that takes time

    • @afeefacellularhamzacellula4730
      @afeefacellularhamzacellula4730 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@nickwood1852 seriously if they not abiding by the law why should I

    • @nickwood1852
      @nickwood1852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@afeefacellularhamzacellula4730 the thing you can do is go to the tribunal and start a aviction process. I know it sucks but if you take the law in your own hands you will get a fine or go to prison unfortunately tenants has more rights than landlords nowadays

    • @jasonMB999
      @jasonMB999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That will be violent. Because how will you do it?

    • @rustgsrider283
      @rustgsrider283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@afeefacellularhamzacellula4730 I will move in with them and make life hell for them, after all its my house and I can do what I want on my property

  • @dikeledijane8186
    @dikeledijane8186 ปีที่แล้ว

    People who can't afford to pay their rent must go to squatter camps that's all

  • @littleninjamofo9841
    @littleninjamofo9841 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    MOST OF THESE PROPERTIES BELONG TO THE SAN/KHOI PEOPLE. NOT THE INVADING ENGLISH \ BOERS OR THE NUGUNI.

  • @thabomathabatha4808
    @thabomathabatha4808 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stay in my property not pay rent and refuse to what! Legally what do we do? Where in whose property?
    This can’t be a problem South Africans have. Beat that person. Immediately hiring someone to move from your own property

  • @evelynwindsor5466
    @evelynwindsor5466 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Eish this presenter is a smugg.