Saturday Night Special 144 Part 2: Single Point Threading, Thread Dial, Even/Odd Pitch
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- In this episode I decide to focus only on threading on the lathe. I get many comments and questions about this subject so I go over why I use a 30 degree compound in-feed, and how to know when to engage the half nuts. I cover even, odd, and fractional thread pitches and how to correctly read the threading dial.
My best advice is to do just as I show in this video, get out in your shop with some scrap metal and start practicing what I show you here. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
The weight and gravity of sincerity abounds in your efforts. These explanations, and all that you take the time to show has the power to deepen understanding, spark creativity, and perhaps even ultimately change some lives out there. That means a lot in the world, and it makes you rock in the world. So rock on, Adam, and thank you.
Dam... I almost cried. Is it weird to ask for an encore in the youtube comments?
Thanks Quig. I'll be signing autographs in the lobby after the show. :)
yeah he's got a natural teaching method to his ways.
Not to say I would enjoy annoying him as an apprentice all day. No nonsense dude. Don't wanna keep him from his work
Keith Fenner just did a great series on the importance of a correct fit on tapers and now you explained how to achieve the perfect thread. Those are two of the biggest skills to get down as a machinist to produce quality work. Between you two there is a huge wealth of knowledge. Thanks for the great videos Adam!
And btw, I'd like you (and Keith Rucker) to know that your long series of videos has given me the confidence to go out and buy my own lathe. You gave me the capability of shaping metal, and enabled me to make stuff that I could only dream about before. This is a beautiful gift, and I want to thank you for this ! Stefan, from Belgium.
Thanks so much! I have made threads maybe 20 times in the last three years and have always played it safe by waiting for my number to come around. One job I had needed threads .080 away from a taper so I had to cut them at 35 rpm to avoid a crash*. It was excruciatingly painful waiting for the dial to come around to my number. You explained this perfectly and I just tried it on my lathe. What a time saver.
* I later learned a trick from Joe Pie that flips the threading tool upside down and runs the machine in reverse away from the work to avoid mishaps.
Between you, Joe Pie, This Old Tony, and Blondihacks, my skills have improve 3 fold.
Thanks again!
Now we need a video explaining the major and minor diameter of a thread and how to determine your tool depth when feeding in at a 30 degree angle. Also the mechanics of backing off the cross slide at the end of the cut, and advancing the cross slide, for a proper depth of cut. This would compete the threading course. Awesome job Adam.
As a rule of thumb remember that the standard screw thread is a 60 deg angle. thus the thread can be thought of as a 60, 60, 60 equilateral triangle. The depth of the thread along the 30 deg side is the same as the pitch on a single thread. So for a 12TPI thread, 1/12 = 0.083 or 83 mils. This is the approximate depth along the compound angle. If you feed straight in, the depth is the pitch times the cos 30 or 0.866 so the approximate depth will be 0.866 * 0.083 = 0.072. If your tool has a radius then you must compensate by computing where a sharp point would be and offsetting the compound by that amount.
I understand the trigonometry involved. In theory, it does give you an approximate depth. In practical, everyday thread cutting its not quite so simple, as most people who have cut threads know. Which is why every body typically grabs a known "good nut" to test fit the thread. But my question, wasn't about that specifically, it was more about the practical way of getting a good thread every time. Including how he sets up his dial gauges, the relief cut at the end, so he doesn't crash his tool into the shoulder, etc... Does he look up a specific thread in the machinists handbook, or does he just have a simple way. A video is worth a million words. :)
No. Nothing about threads ever is. I too would like to hear from others on how they do this. I cut a lot of custom threads, like 2"-20. I use the trig and when I get close I use an eye loupe to examine them. I can also use a thread gauge, again under magnification to see if the form is about right. Then I cut the mating thread to fit. Both the machinery handbook and many online calculators exist that help verify. I cut all my threads straight in, unless it is really tough stuff and just use the handwheel dials. My lathe indicate diameter in the crossfeed so I have to double the thread depth. I do not use a dashboard indicator, I trust the handwheels. For clearances I just use the 1A, 2A 3A (or B) clearances to determine major and root as indicated for the pitch thread I am cutting, usually I give about 5 mils or so if it is not critical.
Always good to get a refresher course on threading. I hadn't cut a thread in twenty years, and when I needed to do it again, I had to relearn the process, so thanks for rebooting my failing memory.
I only subscribed to your channel a few months ago, I've really been enjoying everything you've been doing. I just finished up the welding table series about 10 minutes ago. I really enjoyed watching that series and seeing how you came up with design solutions for it. I'm no machinist myself, I'm a mechanic. The only thing I've ever machined is brake rotors and drums. Having that technical knowledge makes it fun to watch your videos and see you make all these things. Keep the videos coming, cause I'm gonna keep watching!
John thanks John! Glad your enjoying the channel
John thanks John! Glad your enjoying the channel
Cut my first single point last weekend for a new stud on my qctp stud. Read the process off how to run a lathe, did most of it wrong, chipped the cutter and finished it with a die. Then i started watching videos on all the things i did wrong. This was really helpful and I was making the mistake of feeding straight in, next time i will use this method.
Adam has become one with his machines. He's a Natural.
and...another phenomenal educational video. knocked it out of the park brother
Steve Antal Thank you!
I have been a toolmaker for most of my working life and i can confirm that this gentleman has extensive and genuine knowledge of metal work. I can recall in the 60s during my apprenticeship in England toolmakers were not generous with imparting knowledge. I admire this man. David
I have no machine tools, but still love to watch these videos. It's just fantastic to see how stuff is done in this trade. Thanks for the great instruction!
Nice attitude towards people that are willing to learn. Video,s like this make learning easier for allot of people. Thank you for the video.. best regards..
Really appreciate the video. Having never cut a thread in my life I watched this video, then went and cut a m36 4mm pitch thread onto my disc axle. Thanks
I have just dialed into this.......haaahaaa..................I LOVE YOU!!!! Big Boy..........thank you soooo much.....you de-stressed me about thread cutting "absolutely"....all the best.
Thank you Adam. I'm not a machinist but really enjoy your videos. Threading has always seemed to be magic to me, you did a excellent job of explaining how the threading dial and half nuts work. Thanks again.
This was truly a great video......Yes, others have made videos on the subject, but this one best crystallizes the concepts involved....
Excellent Presentation ! Best I've ever seen in all my years . Thanks Adam .
This community is awesome. Thank you for teaching. I just took a manual machining class. You guys taught me well enough that I cut 1/2-20 RH and 1/4-28LH external WITHOUT additional instruction.
Mike De La Mater great to hear!
A great lecture, Adam. You have a real gift for imparting your knowledge to others.
Best '' hands on '' threading demo of the relationship of the leadscrew to the thread dial. Thanks Adam, first rate!
I enjoyed your treading discussion . I have not got a trading dial. on my lathe & i do not have A led screw. the lath Utilises the rack . i can cut a 6 to 26 TPI thread. yes but i have had to Bild am interface to enable the cutting of a third. i did this By making use of my drive shaft that is driven in two speeds. with a key way up its lenth . To enable a dale the rotating & sliding thread now can be slid up and down the drive shaft . now terns a siding thread & i can engage it in the same place evry time . & using the cross slide adds a fine cut on evry pass . i have a lot of fun sowing others , I have retiard now .but i kept the old lathe & sold of the new one's I remember on time having a machinist come to my shop for an interview. he In fact he made a grat pint of being able to cut thread's on a lathe s i ask him if he wuld cut one for me on one of my lathes . i set him up on my old lath to cut an inch whit. thread. as interesting as it was . i wanted for the question? where is the half nut & idea? & i rapidity all there get on with it's already set up . LOL [ Yes i know Not nice of me ]. when i started , I had never used a lathe . & at school never got the opatunity to learn . their was always some one that had be deluged above all others . that why most never got to cut thread's today . so when i interview workers i wuld tees-out the training at school . often they wear privileged tips . & well educated to but the devil in me couldn't resist taking them down a peg . So i would set them to cut a thread on my old lathe. I must say not meny succeeded ,But for one . & i must say .i set him to work . they wuld say i cant ues this it as know led screw i would tack over a cut the tread with no led screw, & pointed out when they can cut a third on that lath they have a job . Id as com bac any time & have a go only one ever did & i gave him a job he was with me for years after . but when i retired a sold up I kept the lath to this day Its getting a bit sloppy these day's , need me to give some TLC . But still cut, threads with out a lead screw.
Excellent video! Best demo on threading dial engagement I have seen. I would like to add that I like to give myself a little safety zone when returning to the start just incase I miss the number so I have time to disengage the half nut, back up a little and start over. For me, being a hobbyist I have a box full of different size threaded nuts and bolts that I keep just for practice and randomly grab one from time to time and thread an ID or OD piece of alum. stock and see how I do on matching up the fit on what I picked out. It's a great skill, speed and confidence builder especially when you have to do a critical job, and it's fun. Thanks for all your videos. Ed K. Cleve. Oh.
Eddie Kawecki Good point Eddie, I too like to sometimes give myself a little error room in front of the work piece. I have messed up a few times and cut into the first thread or two.
Best video so far on explaining how threatening busyness works!!!!!
Not threatening, stupid phone, threading I meant!!
You are fantastic at breaking this machine work down to simple steps without sounding condecending. Love the channel.
Adam that was a great job explaining threading I can't thank you enough for the details that you put in as always I try to encourage people to explain why they do what they do so a person can understand it better
Thank you Adam, for taking the time and effort of producing this segment. This has answered several questions I had on threading.
Thank you so much Adam. I have done my fair share of metal work (precision and welding), but I haven't spent much time in front of a metal lathe. All of the things you show us (for me at least) has been very helpful. I'll need to practice for myself, but watching you work shows how much pride you put into your work. Thank you again for all of your teachings, and video. Can't wait for the next.
GREAT video Adam. You did a superb job of explaining all of that in way that is easy to understand and apply. Thanks.
As a beginner I would like to congratulate you on the way you explain things in a way that even the most inexperienced of us can understand. A true teacher thank you
Great video... great walking through the different threading. Thanks, as always!
Thanks again Adam, I always learn something from you and really enjoy your vids. They make my retirement hobby a lot funner.
Adam that is one of the best tutorial videos on threads for bigginers I have seen... I couldn't have explained it better myself. Nice job
Thank You Adam. That is an excellent explanation f how the threading dial work. I am looking forward to experimenting in the shop to find my comfort zone.
I am in school now learning how to use the manual machine's, am loving it. Always turning people on to your channel. You all provide great information. As always keep up the great video's
Adam your videos have reached a new level for the last 2-3 months, thanks for that.
I was one person who asked about the angled compound, as I always used straight! thanks for the excellent explanation! I'll give it ago tomorrow!
ps I wish I could use my dial, but imperial screw on my lathe and I cut 99percent metric threads so have to leave it in gear, or use the other method of taking it out and putting it back in the same number by stopping the machine after taking it out. hassle! :(
You just answered a questions that I have thought about for over 40 years. The thirty degree compound was a bit of a revelation. I have only seen a ninety degree approach. The half nut explanation was perfect in every way. The day was not wasted. Thank you Sir!
That is the clearest explanation of threading and when to engage the half nut i've ever heard. Thanks a ton Adam that was awesome!
This was easily the best threading video I have seen. Thanks man this channel has been awesome for getting into machining!
Great video...... It really helped me put on understanding how to thread...... Thanks for all the info and hard work you put into your videos
Thanks, Adam,
Great intro to threading.
I learned by watching Mr Pete's videos and practiced by cutting "air threads"... nothing in the chuck, nothing in the tool holder. That let me get a good feel for the sequence of watching the dial, engaging the half nuts, disengaging and backing off the cross slide, etc, over and over. Then when I did start cutting something, I had a good feel of the procedure.
Your video will get someone started off good, too.
Thanks for remembering the beginners.
Joe
Top top top content this week Adam. Thank you for taking the time, for all 3 vids.
Very useful. I am not a machinist and have never seen a lathe up close. But I watch you and Keith Fenner and really enjoy machining.
Best and easiest to understand threading lesson I have seen. Thanks big fella.
The best threading video that is on the internet. Thanks for the great info.
Eric Johnson awesome! Thank you!
Excellent demonstration, Thanks alot. Cleared up many of the questions I've had about single point threading
Thank you for such an amazing video. I am on day two of learning how to use a lathe and I have been learning a tremendous amount from your videos.
Holy Hannah, Adam, that was absolutely the best video on basic threading I have ever watched, period. No disrespect to the other masters of the craft. Chock-full of useful information, tips and tricks, and tightly edited. I loved it enough to head over to my friends lathe and give it a try.
Thank you for that very informative video . I have learned something . I always enjoy your work. Thank you
You make a good instructor. Thanks for the tutorial.
I've never really worked with metal much at all, coming from a cabinet making background. I really enjoy your videos and precision of your work, thank you for sharing your skills and knowledge.
Awesome video. Thank you for taking the time to demystify this. You had great teachers.
Hey man thanks for this video. You made this come across easy for someone like me who is a beginner and just got their first (old used southbend) lathe and doesn’t know anything about it but wants to learn. Everybody makes mistakes learning and doing and you giving your take on how to learn makes trying it more comfortable for a guy like me.
Excellent no-frills clear explanation of what to use when.
I work also as a machinist in germany and i have to say, that this is a really good explanation!
Excellent Video. That answered a number of questions I have had regarding the relationship between the numbers and lines.
We enjoyed this part of SNS 144 .. I really understand now how threading works . My lathe is small but same deal , Thanks Adam !
Like everything else in maching, inserts have come a long way from when I started back in 74. Well presented, as usual.
This video was spot on for me! I had been threading all wrong. Thanks for the info. I checked your information against my lathe and you were spot on. Your way has made it faster for me. Only had a lathe for a few months and been watching your videos for several years now. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge for people like me to learn. You are a great teacher!!
That's great! Glad the video helped.
I wish I had
been able to see this years ago, unlike yourself I had nobody to teach me I learned myself. when I was considering buying a new lathe one with a gearbox was quite a lot more money so I bought one that just had change wheels thinking I would never screw cut in the lathe and most of my work was small thread stuff (B.A. and constant pitch series threads) which I could cut with a die, it was my biggest regret. but like you say the more you practice the more it makes sense, I am not as fast as you but reasonably fluent, but for me its a hobby not my job. but great stuff Adam you do a great job, thanks
Bill.
Great video, just restored an old Atlas-Craftsman lathe and trying to learn techniques. This was very instructional, please do more like this!
Adam great video, I love coming to youtube for these types of how-to and educational content. You do an awesome job explaining, I'm still learning my little lathe, this video take much of the magic out this and I feel more comfortable trying myself. ~ thanks.
Thanks KO
Hi Adam, That was your best instruction video you have made to date.
Cheers, Les
I had a little knowledge on threading but now I know just how little. Thanks and I'll be saving this video for future use for sure, Greg.
Thanks for this valuable info and the time you put into explaining the proper methods.
You explained that perfectly, Adam, thank you!
thank you, it's late at night, needed to cut a thread. did not remember some stuff. this was a great refresher. thanks again.
Taking note is the best advice! I keep small note pads in all my vehicles. Not all pens are equal most fade over time. Nothing move frustrating then taking notes with a throw away pen to come back months later to find empty pages in a project book. Thanks for sharing.
Yes it's good practice to keep a note pad around all the time, not that a practice it the way I should! LOL
Thanks Adam, that was explained so elegantly, you are such a great teacher, Dr. Abom ;-)
Great video Adam. Very well explained. I really appreciate it.
Great video, I really enjoy learning your techniques. I hope to see more videos on how to use machining equipment and what they are capable of.
Adam thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. You are THE MAN. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Great job on the explanation.
Excellent ... excellent video! Many thanks!
Excellent video on threading! it's a pain in the ass but it is good practice. Good video Adam.
mattcurry29 nah, easy stuff! 😎
Very educational Vdeo, and great editing.
Really needed this explanation. Will practice at work shortly. Might well keep me in a job some day when i am asked to cut a thread. Thanks
excellent video Adam ,thanks !
hi adam i'm not a machinist so theading was always a mystery to me.i never knew how you guys
could engage the tool in the same place every time. now i understand. you cleared up the mystery
for me.i enjoy all your videos machining or cooking or shop talk.i love them all.please keep up the
great videos.
Thanks for the lesson, Adam. After working with your machines as long as you have, it's all seems second nature for you. After hearing some of the mechanics behind it, what you are doing and why makes som much more sense.
Great information and easily understandable method of explaining.
You are a good and generous instructor ! Tks
Very well demonstrated Adam the best one I've seen on TH-cam:)
This was a really good piece of instruction, Adam. I like the way you broke this down into chunks and then proved your methods. Nicely done, sir.
Best wishes,
Tom Z
Thanks Tom
Hey Adam i absolutely found this video to be very informative! Thanks
thanks Adam that really helps. I haven't thought about the division of 4 engage any where good video I am a hobbyist really like your videos
Super video Adam. Very well described.
Great explanation Adam, your method using the compound angle to cut the threads works a treat, the tool doesn't chatter and leaves a really nice finish every time I've done it. One of our lathes at work has 3 different gears that can be swapped out on the indicator dial to help with the even, half and fractional pitches, but someone lost them so yeah
From a beginner, excellent threading video Adam - thanks!
this is the best explanation i have seen, book, video or youtube.
Thank Adam excellent clarification for us green hands
Thanks Adam. I have complimented and thanked Keith Fenner, Mr. Pete and some others, I am not much for typing i guess but i have been enjoying AND learning from your videos and benefiting from your work for just as long (or longer)a time as any of these other top notch TH-cam creators, and I think i should have said something positive long before now. (Sorry for that.) You are a Super Star in your field- machining AND Video presentation. Also many of your stills are exeptional, some even awesome. You are walking the talk as my other mentor KEITH FENNER SAYS. OOPs- see just dont feel like retyping it, lol.
There is plenty of negativity out there and credit is due you so i thought i would take the time to get er done! ha ha. I F I Ever get me a lathe or mill,or both I WILL be making the effort to make my parts and repairs to have that obvious skilled machinist look so evident in your creations. Thanks- Ox tools, Keith Rucker and all the others who may have stumbled upon upon this long winded letter.
Good Job Adam! - Keith Kelly
This video has been no bullshit, straight up, made perfect sense for me man!!! The fact of proof was the best part, and I always never really understood the numbers and lines. I would always play it safe and just hit the same number not matter what. When I get old school and need something quick, otherwise I'd threadmill the basterd. hahaha!! then I just let the ones and zeros do their thing.
I think this was, so far, the better of any thread tip vids. very nice Mr. B
philip monday
cnc specialist
veco technologies
fresno. CA
+Philip Monday Thanks Philip! Good to hear from you!
Mr. B. now, its a well known fact, that NO ONE likes to hear from me. Period. Cheers hahahaha
Absolutely Brilliant! I'm not a machinist so I've often wondered how threading worked.
use of the thread indicator is really just the tip of the iceberg... a great place to start, though.
Thanks Adam . I'm one of your viewers that's trying to learn this stuff. I love this stuff and hope to have my on shop built on my property soon.
Thank you Adam. I’m still new at threading but man this help me more than any book could you made it very superb I understand now wha I couldn’t in that book I wanted thank you very much. I also want lean on threading something like on my Bridgeport like the threaded screw for my X’s side
As usual Adam, an excellent tutorial put into laymans terms which even a numpty like myself can easily understand........all I have to do now is to buy myself a monarch lathe. (ha ha).
Very nice Adam! Thanks
Adam, that was a superb demo on the engagement, the best example yet, I don't think we could cover threading too much, we all have just a little different twist to the gig, and each has to find their comfort zone. I would say it's one of the most common fears to a newbie , most of the time the finale to their turning project. The split screen, good add also! ;{)-------
Keith Fenner Thanks Keith! Yep it seems to be one of the most popular subject for lathe work for our viewers. I enjoy threading and I like sharing what I have learned. Thanks for the comments!
I realize I'm kind of randomly asking but does anyone know a good site to stream newly released movies online ?
@Ira Ralph Ehh I use flixportal. Just google after it :P -major
@Major Gustavo thanks, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) I appreciate it !
@Ira Ralph you are welcome xD
Great, easy to follow tutorial. Thank You
Great vid Adam. Thanks for that. Cleared up a mystery for me. I'll go practice on the lathe.