Patience , persistence and determination will lead to this killer being caught. He may have a head start but science and good police work are on his heels!
The amount of pain one person can inflict on so many others . . . . Four beautiful young people died and who knows how many will move into the future deeply scarred by this deed. Immediate family, extended family, friends, and an entire town. The totality of the grief and pain is immeasurable.
Thank you. The affects are a ripple effect and far reaching. My family lost my niece in a similar way and we still love her but even now 13 years on we only miss her more - and it hurts as much as ever. My prayers for this town and all effected 🙏🏽🕊💙🕯
Thank you Lisa. New Haven, CT is blessed to have you. I lived there for many years and it is a great city. Had to leave because of my only daughter passing away and there are too many in my face memories. My heart breaks for the parents of these victims. Aweful.
@@John-e4p1x Yes. They or any of us are no less important to God or to many of us. They were young! You too did some reckless things. We all have. Compassion and humanity pls
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor absolutely. What I've psychologically done it for a long time. 2 examples come to mind. The names Lacey Peterson and Shanan Watts. I'll never say their killers by name. It diminishes the victims and gives these monsters the satisfaction of being mentioned ✌️
Having lived in a room in a lively student house, l can say that you get used to a certain noise level - at all hours of the night. Even quite boistrous noises are simply accepted as normal. If the killer was stealthy and fast - which l am of the opinion that he was - there would have been no reason for other house occupants to have thought any noises were anything out of the ordinary. Factor in possible alcohol consumption and there's your reason.
I agree, it's not suspicious that they didn't hear anything. First of all, I go to sleep with a loud fan and a TV on (with sleep timer), sometimes also with earphones listening to a podcast or something, maybe they do too. Secondly, in a house with college kids, sometimes even a scream wouldn't alarm you. Unless it's a bloodcurdling scream. If it was just screaming, yelping, yelling etc the surviving girls could have just thought they were playing pranks or play fighting upstairs. College kids can get pretty raucous. If was a safe town and there's no way the surviving girls could ever imagine there was mass murder happening, even if they did hear some strange noises.
All anyone has to do is watch the police cam when they were dealing with the noise complaint to realize that anyone living in that house is very well desensitized to noise and wild behavior.
Just when I think you've got to be running out of fascinating professional expertise, you pull another rabbit out of the hat. Excellent panel choices and thought provoking viewpoints. You rock❣️
This is one of the best discussions of the Idaho murders I've listened to. Intelligent well experienced guests who didn't speculate and accuse people by name with no facts, but just an educated discussion of what it takes an investigation to find a killer. Please have more discussions like this and not speculation based on nothing but "feelings".
Yes, they both were extremely impressive--it was obvious that their expertise in investigation techniques is extensive. Very pragmatic oriented with a keen eye on any and all details/clues while not dwelling on potentially crazy rumors. We know there is no shortage of those in this case. If Lisa closed the New Haven case in 9 DAYS she has to be incredible. What a treat to listen to her and Robin! Hope they are on again sometime.
Another great episode. Appreciate your coverage of this case. I recently retired from State of Connecticut as a court recording monitor and I did a few murder cases. Some cold cases too out of Hartford. I also covered a triple homicide out of East Hartford. I've taken and transcribed a plethora of criminal cases in my career. The work and professionalism and expertise of law enforcement is amazing. Also, a female coworker in my office at the Hartford courthouse I was assigned to was murdered three years ago, and the Meriden PD did a fantastic job and arrested her boyfriend. That case is awaiting trial in New Haven. Love the New Haven PD.
One of my favorite interviews (interrogations) to watch is Col. Russell Williams and the fantastic Jim Smith. I would love to see more of Robin and Lisa’s work! This video is the best I've seen about the case and the other topics covered. 10/10! Thank you for providing us with this! ❤
This channel has made me leave the “chat groups” because people are so crazy there! Calling out specific people and they become so SURE of themselves. This is by far more interesting than all of the couch detectives! Thank you!
I read first person account of what happened with the 911 call. The two girls went upstairs saw the horror. Called 911 - one fainted the other hysterical. This person was walking by with other and went to help the fainted girl. This is why so many people at the house talked to 911
@@lc285 watch southern logic He is in possession of an email from someone in the inner circle It explains what happened that morning when the surviving roommates ran out distraught
I read this report and it was just a passerby. The door had to be open because the cops said " no one was outside" when the 911 call was made that passerby had to hear and see thru the open door someone screaming or needing help as the girls did not come out of the house
Your Guest makes the very important part of Offender being injured. The Killer of Orsolya Gaal attended a Walk in Clinic and was advised lacerations were so deep He was advised to seek treatment at Bellevue Hospital. So indeed when NYPD Homicide tracked Him down His hands were indeed bandaged.
Yes, I've wondered about that too-if the killer did cut himself (I'm thinking he could've cut himself in the arm or a leg, maybe even cut through a thick glove during the frenzied attack), maybe he drove to Spokane to have the cut stitched up. I would think they'd check clinics and hospitals there in the couple of days after the murders. I was pleased that Lisa brought up checking all of hospitals for people receiving treatment, she even thought checking the entire state would be good. I think Washington state as well- Spokane I really think would be a prime area to check. Interesting that she thinks it's practically a given that the killer would've cut himself. I think she's probably right. I'm hoping that the advanced DNA blood analysis software they have now can separate different DNA in mixed blood samples. It could provide that break in the case.
I love what Lisa is saying regarding any media/LE relationship. She's got the experience. Thank God her high profile case with Annie Le was solved so quickly.
If this lady could solve the murder of Annie Le in 9 days, which is a difficult case, and national and international media were all over it constantly, and under such intense scrutiny and pressure, she would have solved the Idaho 4 case by now were she placed at the helm of its investigation.
Great episode, brother. Every time I see retired detectives, they all seem so young. They all appear to be in their late 40's/early 50's. What's the reason for that? Would you be able to ask a guest that question? Keep up the great work.
@@Nimuetootoo That's interesting. Here in California, police can retire at the age of 50 and receive 80% of their salary. Many double dip and become either heads of private security firms or personal protection officers/
Another awesome panel here! You’ve done it again, sir! It’s definitely great to hear the behavioral perspective on this case. May this case be solved sooner than later, we are all hoping for the best 🙏🏽 Love and light to all. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
Hi from Melbourne, Australia. Thank you for all your information, great guests on this show. I’ve been following this from the beginning & I’m hoping & praying that police are able to find who did this horrible crime. As Lisa said, the police need to start giving some information, the families deserve that, some sense of hope that this will be solved as at the moment there is nothing. Those beautiful young people & their families deserve justice. Having two sons not much older I can’t imagine what these families are going through, my heart goes out to them ❤
Once again, a great intelligent conversation with 2 amazing experts from Law Enforcement. The lesson that one should take away from this is to calm down and trust the process of these investigations.
I really appreciate the wide variety of Professionals you are interviewing. It's educating ALL of us in terms of all the complicated facets of this crime. I took a Criminal Justice Class in the 1990s as I've always been a Law and Order fan and all of your guests have fascinating points of view to contribute. Thank you.
I agree. When you live in a noisy house you desensitize yourself to the noise as well as possibly use earplugs, ear buds/music and white noise machines. Also, note all the people who live on major highways, yet, don't really notice all the traffic noise. Plus, the ""City that never sleeps" has a lot of people sleeping at night. (along with a plethora of other 'noisy' cities)
Yes, I think there is a possibility of that happening--they could've been really used to noise happening in that house at all hours. Also they may have been listening to earbuds.
You have the best crime show I’ve seen. We have to remember how chaotic college days were and if these kids even heard something they could have thought it was just more partying…
Great Show...as usual, high quality guests and host(s). I heard Robin mention Dr. Kris Mohandie. Could you have him on your show ? I would like to hear his opinion on this killer.
Maybe the survivors are being quiet to protect themselves. If they say nothing was heard it will give the killer a sense of security that he got away with it. Maybe they did hear things but the cops are keeping it quiet for investigation reasons.
The survivors said they “heard something” but thought it was people partying, locked their doors and went to sleep. They may have put on headphones, who knows, but it makes sense that they assumed people upstairs were partying.
Another podcast (seemed reliable) said the unconscious person was the housemate who found them, left the house, and passed out once she got outside - other people couldn't bring her around and called 911 again and said there was someone 'unconscious'
It's still hearsay. We don't know who was unconscious, nor do we know why no one said there was a massive amount of blood. I have not ruled out the two roommates. Their behavior is very suspicious. They basically have vanished and never said a word about their so-called friends who were brutally murdered.
@@factsmatter8667 They did not disappear, they just do not talk to the media. Big difference. They made heartfelt statement to a pastor who read it out at a memorial service early in December. These girls are severely traumatised, terrified and the best thing they can do for their safety and mental health is stay under the radar. It is enough if LE knows where they are, and took their statements.
The weather changed just after the murders. Did the killer check the long range forecast? Was it a last chance to target the house, before snow would fall and cause footprint problems?
That case was a young girl who was I think 23yrs old and I think I remember her being fromThailand. Very smart and was about to get married in a four days. Her roommate or friend noticed that day she did not come home from working at the lab in the University, she found that suspicious and that same day went to the police. The police at first thought, cold feet. Her friend said, she is getting married and there is no way she would run off. However, like she said, they were able to sovlve the murder in 9 days because of the access card you need to get into the University and into the lab. Plus, there were cameras setup through out the hallways. So, the police had a lot of evidence to work with from the start. The police said her access card swiped to go into the lab and the camera never showed her leaving the lab. She disapeared. They searched everywhere and in a day or two, they found a blood stained top that looked like the top she was wearing seen in the camera. But it was not hers. In 4 days, one police officer noticed a foul smell near a wall and brought in a cadaver dog. It was really sad how she died. She was first already a petite girl, she was sadly raped and shoved behind a wall and the hole the guy put her body through was like the size of computer screen the police said. So her bones had to be crushed and broken so that he could put her body down behind the wall, The only other person that went in that day inside the lab, was a young man. The cameras showed him cleaning the lab with bleach when it was already cleaned up. Someone also pulled the fire alarm that day when there was no fire which he confessed to later. He was trying to create a lie that she left the building when the fire alarm went off and that he never saw her after that. The police bc they saw that he was the only other person in the lab that day with her (working separately not together). They called him in for an innocent asking of questions to throw him off. They asked him if he was willing to give DNA sample so that he can be written off as a susupect and he said yes and the rest is history. I literally just saw this case on YT that another channel did the story on. He was Amazing. So, no the case is no where the same bc they had so much more to work with, They never really got an answer as to why this young man killed her. They think he was obsessed with her and tried to ask her out and she said no. An Ex actually said, he does have a violent personality bc when she tried to break up with him he refused to and was violent towards her that she went to the police for protection. I am glad though her case did not become cold and it was solved. My heart went out to her family and her fiance. My brother was killed in 2005 and his case is a cold case. The police hardly talked to us and especially one, he never talked me and just ignored me and would only talk to my sister. Thank god the other detectives were not like him. Of course, I know they can't give every details but they hardly guided us either. They had evidence to work with, my brother's gf was there and was able to give brief descriptions from what she remembered bc it happened so quickly, the gun was found but the fingerprints did not match anything in the database, the cameras nearby showed the guys running however it was too grainy to identify them. Those guys are out there having a life, maybe they turned their lives around who knows. You still need to pay for killing someone. One Day, I feel it will happen.
Brilliant guests again! My heart goes out to the families of the four victims, Jack D., the two surviving roommates, and all who have been affected by this horrible crime. 😢❤
That’s exactly what I just said the house was extended in 2 different stages I believe. When I heard it’s an old creaky house I was like what? People just love to insert themselves into this crime don’t they? It’s sad to me!
With that kinda of volume of activity from college kids running, jumping, and hell raising all the time, the floors and stairs are going to grow old very quickly.
As so many have mentioned you continue to have fantastic guests! Thank you! Robin and Lisa are both so professional and knowledgeable, what a treat to hear their take on the case. When Lisa was discussing the survivors not hearing anything, possibly being under the influence, wearing earbuds, etc. and how the investigators would want to go at their deep psyche. I've heard of situations where LE has used hypnosis, perhaps put both of them under? (hopefully they weren't listening to music on earbuds or headphones because that'd probably render it ineffective) I think it'd be worth a shot.
I found your channel while perusing all of the twists and turns of this very sad case 😢and I am so glad I did . You have an extremely knowledgeable and educational channel which is fascinating . That being said I am curious to how you developed the name of your channel and the true meaning ? Thanks 🙏 ☺️
The podcast is occasionally hosted by mother who is a Holocaust survivor. She’s a character and it didn’t start off as true crime only. So the name is sort of tongue in cheek.
Great show, this and the others. O.J. Simpson murdered two adults that were together and sober and hardly had any injuries so it is not necessary that the murderer here would have injuries, especially if they were unconscious when the murderer started murdering.
@@ddwm_mua everybody says that it would be hard to do what this murderer did, physically, however, it might not have been that hard if O.J. murdered two adults outside in a residential nabe without anybody noticing.
Good point...but also, OJ had an entire career of physically defeating and overcoming opponents. He's had lots of practice at handling bodies and victims.
@robin @lisa - I hope they're watching this. The optics of the silence is a problem. If I lived in Moscow I'd want updates. They can release a little without compromising the investigation imo
They do give updates. And there is alot of info on their website. But they will not show their hand because that would be like telling the perp what they know already.
You have the best investigators, i really love hearing them talk about different cases. Intelligent! Don't even compare. They live their work, and study these profiles of killers
The ex tenant of the house states it’s an old creaky house that’s not true. The house has been extended in 3 stages so the house is not old. When you live in a noisy party house you just learn to tune it out especially when you’re a young un. That’s not surprising to me that they didn’t either hear something or they did and tuned it out thinking a party was going on upstairs .
@@100th_monkey there was another ex tenet that came forward that lived there back 2019 and he said that when he lived on the first floor, he said that he couldn’t hear noise from the other parts of the house. 🤷♀️
When you have blood for at least four people maybe five including the killer. Then you have a house that's probably had at least 100 different people in it recently with fingerprints shoe prints all over the house the doors the parking lot and then you're trying to get some DNA together from five people that's a lot of work and time even with all the people The Sheriff has helping him.
That's correct..both survivors were hysterical therefore hyperventilating occurs and she passed out. She had already dialed 911 but neither of the survivors could speak. People walking by took the phone and spoke to 911 explaining she didn't know what was happening both two girls were hysterical and one fainted. Police arrived not knowing there was a murder scene inside. LE found the victims pretty quickly. There were several people who had accumulated outside due to the hysterical girls. One could barely explain that Ethan was injured.. This info came from one of the people that gathered outside during the 911 call..neighbors, some walking dogs..
By not disclosing any person of interest, there's still a very good chance the chain of evidence IS pointing to someone, it's just that the police know they need a watertight case. They don't want it to go tits up and they certainly don't want to spook any potential suspect. It's not about keeping the nosey public satisfied, it's about finding the perpetrator and ensuring they get a guilty verdict in court.
If the killer were to find out that the surviving roommates had anything to contribute, they might be at risk. They could become targets for the killer.
@survivethesurvivor I’m not sure where I heard this or if it’s true about the 911 call. One of the roommates who found the scene was so hysterical that she fainted when she ran outside of the house. People or a person was around by then and they used her phone to call 911. So the roommate who fainted was the unconscious person and whoever tried to help her and call 911 had not been in the house so had no idea of the mess inside the house. That actually makes sense to me but again, dunno if it’s true.
It is being said that the surviving roommate was the unconscious person, that fainted. It is said from one of the individuals speaking to 911 was asked about blood, and this individual said, "it's everywhere''.
Would like to know what New Haven Detective Lisa thinks about the still unsolved case of Yale University student Suzanne Join - murdered right off campus in 1998. Does she think it will ever be solved? Why hasn't the case received more attention (from LE and from the "true crime community"?)
It wasn't just 2 people who didn't hear anything and didn't wake up. As the first person was being killed, there were 5 other people who were undisturbed and still asleep, then 4 and so on. Could there have been 2 killers both using the same kind of knife?
Questions I would ask: Could you speculate about killer’s present psychological and behavioral state? What could such a killer be doing and thinking now? Where is he? (probably, anywhere). Can you focus on the element of thrill, building terror in the community, and more? Is he watching this broadcast? Relishing the experience?
It is really interesting how the killer[s] were able to enter in do this horrible deed and get out without leaving trace evidence I remember a case where the killer removed all his clothing murdering naked showering put his clean clothes back on then left, he certainly had the time to do this.
I do think the fact that the footage from that day didn't show a visible bloody trail out of the house indicates something. Some planning was done to avoid leaving a visible trail out of the house. Bags on shoes? Coveralls? I also think anyone using this knife to kill would plan for slippage and wear protective gloves.
I've been wondering if the police or FBI could have undercover young men or women posing as college students? I know this has been done at other schools and colleges to hopefully get people to open up more and gain more relevant information. So many students and someone has to know more about whom the killer or killers are. I know this information couldn't be released to the public.
As cold as they say it was that morning, it doesn't surprise me that blood wasn't found outside the house. Once the killer got outside any blood on him would have been freezing to him, not dripping off of him.
Also everybody wonders about people not hearing the crime in the house when it was being committed. But if you listen to all the neighbors in the area they repeatedly say that that house always had music playing at all hours of the night. I don’t know for sure but I think it’s very possible that out of the four individuals who had been out having fun on the town when they came home intoxicated very possible they put music on in their room while they were falling asleep and this could account for why they did not hear any thing happening in the house Just a thought
I've lived in dorms and barracks. You quickly learn to ignore the noise. Roommates act out videos with bad loud singing, and jump down stairs, and leave their tv on.
@T G It’s my understanding the first floor was built first originally and the other floors were added on that makes those exterior walls much more soundproof than a normal interior wall. Also I remember the media reporting early on that there is a door on the first floor that can be locked that separates from the other two floors I don’t know if that helps
Maybe a pissed off neighbor due to noise ? Someone called in a noise complaint ! Maybe the person has a toddler who keeps getting woken up? Maybe they said hey you won’t let me sleep I won’t let you sleep and then things went sideways ??
I think the girls on the 1st floor simply didn't hear anything loud enough or distressing enough to fully wake them up. They had been out to separate parties themselves. I also think the perpetrator was viewing the house from the woods located behind the house and simply didn't see the lights or motion on the 1st floor where their bedrooms were. He didn't know they were home, possibly didn't know that there were bedrooms located there, that's why he didn't go down the stairs to their rooms.
A few days ago someone described the killer as not a college student but a “class act”. I was very disturbed by this comment and would want to know who would say this. Could it be the killer or someone who thinks like the killer?
Annie lei case was very different. That lab was not just open to everybody, and the tech waited for the opportune time. And there were plenty of hiding places for a petite victim.
The kid who lived in the 1122 King Rd house and said you could hear everything completely contradicted what other people have said about the original house, which is the downstairs section. Because it was an independent building before the bizarre add-on, it's supposed to be well insulated. That makes sense because it had its own roof.
There is so much crazy violence these days that people get murdered over a parking spot. Or a recent story of eight highschool girls in Canada who bludgeoned to death a homeless man just for fun. Reminds me of that old Stanley Kubrick film, 'A Clockwork Orange'. It was very prophetic. It's the world we live in now.
Kaylee- target Maddie- best friend that likely defended Kaylee for many years. And he felt got in between their relationship. Ethan & Xana weren’t planned. But they woke up and recognized him. He was already in a frantic rage from what he had just done, So he continued on with them.
Patience , persistence and determination will lead to this killer being caught. He may have a head start but science and good police work are on his heels!
This must be my favourite channel about this case. Haven't seen so many experts on a case like this before. Greetings from Sweden.
Thanks so much. Please say hello to the good people of Sweden. My cousin lives there!
The amount of pain one person can inflict on so many others . . . . Four beautiful young people died and who knows how many will move into the future deeply scarred by this deed. Immediate family, extended family, friends, and an entire town. The totality of the grief and pain is immeasurable.
I completely agree! 🙁😔
Thank you.
The affects are a ripple effect and far reaching.
My family lost my niece in a similar way and we still love her but even now 13 years on we only miss her more - and it hurts as much as ever.
My prayers for this town and all effected
🙏🏽🕊💙🕯
Yes 😢😢😢😢😢
Most of us forget this ripple effect. Thanks for the reminder!
@@veeherreraJanecka :( my condolences. We lost my sister in law in 2009 and it's still like a fresh wound
Thank you Lisa. New Haven, CT is blessed to have you. I lived there for many years and it is a great city. Had to leave because of my only daughter passing away and there are too many in my face memories. My heart breaks for the parents of these victims. Aweful.
So sorry for your loss, my condolences.
My condolences.
Many condolences. 😢
Thank you for remembering their names! They're far more important than the monster who killed them
I agree! It's so important to remember those who were taken. 🕊️🙏
who? some drunk and high kids?
@@John-e4p1x
Yes. They or any of us are no less important to God or to many of us. They were young! You too did some reckless things. We all have.
Compassion and humanity pls
Too easy to forget
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor absolutely. What I've psychologically done it for a long time. 2 examples come to mind. The names Lacey Peterson and Shanan Watts. I'll never say their killers by name. It diminishes the victims and gives these monsters the satisfaction of being mentioned ✌️
Having lived in a room in a lively student house, l can say that you get used to a certain noise level - at all hours of the night. Even quite boistrous noises are simply accepted as normal. If the killer was stealthy and fast - which l am of the opinion that he was - there would have been no reason for other house occupants to have thought any noises were anything out of the ordinary. Factor in possible alcohol consumption and there's your reason.
I agree, it's not suspicious that they didn't hear anything. First of all, I go to sleep with a loud fan and a TV on (with sleep timer), sometimes also with earphones listening to a podcast or something, maybe they do too. Secondly, in a house with college kids, sometimes even a scream wouldn't alarm you. Unless it's a bloodcurdling scream. If it was just screaming, yelping, yelling etc the surviving girls could have just thought they were playing pranks or play fighting upstairs. College kids can get pretty raucous. If was a safe town and there's no way the surviving girls could ever imagine there was mass murder happening, even if they did hear some strange noises.
All anyone has to do is watch the police cam when they were dealing with the noise complaint to realize that anyone living in that house is very well desensitized to noise and wild behavior.
Just when I think you've got to be running out of fascinating professional expertise, you pull another rabbit out of the hat. Excellent panel choices and thought provoking viewpoints. You rock❣️
Thank you. Always looking for new, interesting angles. Please share if you have any!
This is one of the best discussions of the Idaho murders I've listened to. Intelligent well experienced guests who didn't speculate and accuse people by name with no facts, but just an educated discussion of what it takes an investigation to find a killer. Please have more discussions like this and not speculation based on nothing but "feelings".
Yes, they both were extremely impressive--it was obvious that their expertise in investigation techniques is extensive. Very pragmatic oriented with a keen eye on any and all details/clues while not dwelling on potentially crazy rumors. We know there is no shortage of those in this case. If Lisa closed the New Haven case in 9 DAYS she has to be incredible. What a treat to listen to her and Robin! Hope they are on again sometime.
Another great episode. Appreciate your coverage of this case.
I recently retired from State of Connecticut as a court recording monitor and I did a few murder cases. Some cold cases too out of Hartford. I also covered a triple homicide out of East Hartford. I've taken and transcribed a plethora of criminal cases in my career. The work and professionalism and expertise of law enforcement is amazing.
Also, a female coworker in my office at the Hartford courthouse I was assigned to was murdered three years ago, and the Meriden PD did a fantastic job and arrested her boyfriend. That case is awaiting trial in New Haven. Love the New Haven PD.
Thanks for your service!
One of my favorite interviews (interrogations) to watch is Col. Russell Williams and the fantastic Jim Smith. I would love to see more of Robin and Lisa’s work! This video is the best I've seen about the case and the other topics covered. 10/10! Thank you for providing us with this! ❤
Agree. The interrogation of Col. Russell Williams was masterful!
This channel has made me leave the “chat groups” because people are so crazy there! Calling out specific people and they become so SURE of themselves. This is by far more interesting than all of the couch detectives! Thank you!
I read first person account of what happened with the 911 call. The two girls went upstairs saw the horror. Called 911 - one fainted the other hysterical. This person was walking by with other and went to help the fainted girl. This is why so many people at the house talked to 911
I'm curious. Especially since it hasn't been released
Cathy Wickern- Where did you read this ' first person" account?
I read this shortly after it happened. Makes sense.
@@lc285 watch southern logic
He is in possession of an email from someone in the inner circle
It explains what happened that morning when the surviving roommates ran out distraught
I read this report and it was just a passerby. The door had to be open because the cops said " no one was outside" when the 911 call was made that passerby had to hear and see thru the open door someone screaming or needing help as the girls did not come out of the house
Another excellent show with legit guests. Thank you!
#BestGuests
These were 2 of your best experts yet !!!
I've watched this video several times !!!
IMO this is the best discussion and the best guests . Thank all of you for what you do and what you have done to get you here
Your Guest makes the very important part of Offender being injured. The Killer of Orsolya Gaal attended a Walk in Clinic and was advised lacerations were so deep He was advised to seek treatment at Bellevue Hospital. So indeed when NYPD Homicide tracked Him down His hands were indeed bandaged.
Yes, I've wondered about that too-if the killer did cut himself (I'm thinking he could've cut himself in the arm or a leg, maybe even cut through a thick glove during the frenzied attack), maybe he drove to Spokane to have the cut stitched up. I would think they'd check clinics and hospitals there in the couple of days after the murders. I was pleased that Lisa brought up checking all of hospitals for people receiving treatment, she even thought checking the entire state would be good. I think Washington state as well- Spokane I really think would be a prime area to check. Interesting that she thinks it's practically a given that the killer would've cut himself. I think she's probably right. I'm hoping that the advanced DNA blood analysis software they have now can separate different DNA in mixed blood samples. It could provide that break in the case.
I love what Lisa is saying regarding any media/LE relationship. She's got the experience. Thank God her high profile case with Annie Le was solved so quickly.
Lisa is the real deal!
I agree! Loved her point of view on that.
If this lady could solve the murder of Annie Le in 9 days, which is a difficult case, and national and international media were all over it constantly, and under such intense scrutiny and pressure, she would have solved the Idaho 4 case by now were she placed at the helm of its investigation.
Great episode, brother. Every time I see retired detectives, they all seem so young. They all appear to be in their late 40's/early 50's. What's the reason for that? Would you be able to ask a guest that question? Keep up the great work.
They only usually have to work 20 years before they are able to retire with a pension.
As for FBI, they have to retire by age 57.
They can retire with 20 years service with a nice pension.
Thanks Vince. Yes, they start young. And retire after 20 years!
@@Nimuetootoo That's interesting. Here in California, police can retire at the age of 50 and receive 80% of their salary. Many double dip and become either heads of private security firms or personal protection officers/
Another awesome panel here! You’ve done it again, sir! It’s definitely great to hear the behavioral perspective on this case. May this case be solved sooner than later, we are all hoping for the best 🙏🏽 Love and light to all. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi from Melbourne, Australia. Thank you for all your information, great guests on this show. I’ve been following this from the beginning & I’m hoping & praying that police are able to find who did this horrible crime. As Lisa said, the police need to start giving some information, the families deserve that, some sense of hope that this will be solved as at the moment there is nothing. Those beautiful young people & their families deserve justice. Having two sons not much older I can’t imagine what these families are going through, my heart goes out to them ❤
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Once again, a great intelligent conversation with 2 amazing experts from Law Enforcement. The lesson that one should take away from this is to calm down and trust the process of these investigations.
I really appreciate the wide variety of Professionals you are interviewing. It's educating ALL of us in terms of all the complicated facets of this crime. I took a Criminal Justice Class in the 1990s as I've always been a Law and Order fan and all of your guests have fascinating points of view to contribute. Thank you.
I agree. When you live in a noisy house you desensitize yourself to the noise as well as possibly use earplugs, ear buds/music and white noise machines. Also, note all the people who live on major highways, yet, don't really notice all the traffic noise. Plus, the ""City that never sleeps" has a lot of people sleeping at night. (along with a plethora of other 'noisy' cities)
THERE WAS SILENCE IN HOUSE ... HUGE DIFFERENCE
Yes, I think there is a possibility of that happening--they could've been really used to noise happening in that house at all hours. Also they may have been listening to earbuds.
Great show! Really enjoyed the content and knowledge of your guests.
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So level headed, reasoned, interesting, informative, providing an excellent service to the public, so I thank you
Thank you for another great show with amazing guests 🗽🌴
Another excellent & informative video with top notch guests.
Great stuff y’all. Thanks for thoughtful insightful input in this case. We gotta find the killer.
They’ll catch the killer(s)
@@SurvivingTheSurvivorI agree💯
You have the best crime show I’ve seen.
We have to remember how chaotic college days were and if these kids even heard something they could have thought it was just more partying…
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Great to hear two professionals giving their views on the case. You know u are getting the best! Thank u BOTH.
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Outstanding episode! I am fairly new to your channel and absolutely love the guests you have. Thank you!
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Great Show...as usual, high quality guests and host(s). I heard Robin mention Dr. Kris Mohandie. Could you have him on your show ? I would like to hear his opinion on this killer.
CleveLAND working on it as I type
Maybe the survivors are being quiet to protect themselves. If they say nothing was heard it will give the killer a sense of security that he got away with it. Maybe they did hear things but the cops are keeping it quiet for investigation reasons.
Great, smart point
The survivors said they “heard something” but thought it was people partying, locked their doors and went to sleep. They may have put on headphones, who knows, but it makes sense that they assumed people upstairs were partying.
Yes
And maybe why they weren’t killed- they locked their door.
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Another podcast (seemed reliable) said the unconscious person was the housemate who found them, left the house, and passed out once she got outside - other people couldn't bring her around and called 911 again and said there was someone 'unconscious'
This is unverified rumors, but it does sound plausible. At any rate I don’t believe the roommates are involved in any way.
It's still hearsay. We don't know who was unconscious, nor do we know why no one said there was a massive amount of blood. I have not ruled out the two roommates. Their behavior is very suspicious. They basically have vanished and never said a word about their so-called friends who were brutally murdered.
@@factsmatter8667 They did not disappear, they just do not talk to the media. Big difference. They made heartfelt statement to a pastor who read it out at a memorial service early in December.
These girls are severely traumatised, terrified and the best thing they can do for their safety and mental health is stay under the radar. It is enough if LE knows where they are, and took their statements.
Loved Lisa and Robin, excellent info. Praying for justice for these Families.
The weather changed just after the murders. Did the killer check the long range forecast? Was it a last chance to target the house, before snow would fall and cause footprint problems?
That case was a young girl who was I think 23yrs old and I think I remember her being fromThailand. Very smart and was about to get married in a four days. Her roommate or friend noticed that day she did not come home from working at the lab in the University, she found that suspicious and that same day went to the police. The police at first thought, cold feet. Her friend said, she is getting married and there is no way she would run off. However, like she said, they were able to sovlve the murder in 9 days because of the access card you need to get into the University and into the lab. Plus, there were cameras setup through out the hallways. So, the police had a lot of evidence to work with from the start.
The police said her access card swiped to go into the lab and the camera never showed her leaving the lab. She disapeared. They searched everywhere and in a day or two, they found a blood stained top that looked like the top she was wearing seen in the camera. But it was not hers. In 4 days, one police officer noticed a foul smell near a wall and brought in a cadaver dog. It was really sad how she died. She was first already a petite girl, she was sadly raped and shoved behind a wall and the hole the guy put her body through was like the size of computer screen the police said. So her bones had to be crushed and broken so that he could put her body down behind the wall, The only other person that went in that day inside the lab, was a young man. The cameras showed him cleaning the lab with bleach when it was already cleaned up. Someone also pulled the fire alarm that day when there was no fire which he confessed to later. He was trying to create a lie that she left the building when the fire alarm went off and that he never saw her after that.
The police bc they saw that he was the only other person in the lab that day with her (working separately not together). They called him in for an innocent asking of questions to throw him off. They asked him if he was willing to give DNA sample so that he can be written off as a susupect and he said yes and the rest is history.
I literally just saw this case on YT that another channel did the story on. He was Amazing. So, no the case is no where the same bc they had so much more to work with,
They never really got an answer as to why this young man killed her. They think he was obsessed with her and tried to ask her out and she said no. An Ex actually said, he does have a violent personality bc when she tried to break up with him he refused to and was violent towards her that she went to the police for protection.
I am glad though her case did not become cold and it was solved. My heart went out to her family and her fiance. My brother was killed in 2005 and his case is a cold case. The police hardly talked to us and especially one, he never talked me and just ignored me and would only talk to my sister. Thank god the other detectives were not like him. Of course, I know they can't give every details but they hardly guided us either. They had evidence to work with, my brother's gf was there and was able to give brief descriptions from what she remembered bc it happened so quickly, the gun was found but the fingerprints did not match anything in the database, the cameras nearby showed the guys running however it was too grainy to identify them. Those guys are out there having a life, maybe they turned their lives around who knows. You still need to pay for killing someone. One Day, I feel it will happen.
She was Vietnamese American I think and a PhD student at Yale, Annie Le
I'm sorry for your terrible loss.
@@Neothefish Thank you for verifying. So sad and how she actually suffered.
@@barbh1 Thank you so much for your kind words.
She was a young woman, not a young girl. She was brilliant, working on cancer research. She was Vietnamese.
Brilliant guests again! My heart goes out to the families of the four victims, Jack D., the two surviving roommates, and all who have been affected by this horrible crime. 😢❤
The quote about the house being old and creaky doesn't make sense because the top two floors where brand new, built in 2018.
That’s exactly what I just said the house was extended in 2 different stages I believe. When I heard it’s an old creaky house I was like what? People just love to insert themselves into this crime don’t they? It’s sad to me!
With that kinda of volume of activity from college kids running, jumping, and hell raising all the time, the floors and stairs are going to grow old very quickly.
As so many have mentioned you continue to have fantastic guests! Thank you! Robin and Lisa are both so professional and knowledgeable, what a treat to hear their take on the case. When Lisa was discussing the survivors not hearing anything, possibly being under the influence, wearing earbuds, etc. and how the investigators would want to go at their deep psyche. I've heard of situations where LE has used hypnosis, perhaps put both of them under? (hopefully they weren't listening to music on earbuds or headphones because that'd probably render it ineffective) I think it'd be worth a shot.
Very interesting conversation, one of the best. Thank you! Looking forward for more intelligent, knowledgeable guests.
They’re coming
I found your channel while perusing all of the twists and turns of this very sad case 😢and I am so glad I did . You have an extremely knowledgeable and educational channel which is fascinating . That being said I am curious to how you developed the name of your channel and the true meaning ? Thanks 🙏 ☺️
The podcast is occasionally hosted by mother who is a Holocaust survivor. She’s a character and it didn’t start off as true crime only. So the name is sort of tongue in cheek.
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor Oh wow Bless your mother
Thank you! Sending Love. World Peace! Great guests, Lisa is very forthcoming and Robin has unique insights. Please get Robin to talk more.
Is it possible to hypnotize the survivors to bring up subconscious memories?
Great show, this and the others. O.J. Simpson murdered two adults that were together and sober and hardly had any injuries so it is not necessary that the murderer here would have injuries, especially if they were unconscious when the murderer started murdering.
I saw OJ in person. He is a verrry big guy. He could *allegedly* kill just about anyone
@@ddwm_mua everybody says that it would be hard to do what this murderer did, physically, however, it might not have been that hard if O.J. murdered two adults outside in a residential nabe without anybody noticing.
Good point. He had a small cut on his finger
Good point...but also, OJ had an entire career of physically defeating and overcoming opponents. He's had lots of practice at handling bodies and victims.
@robin @lisa - I hope they're watching this. The optics of the silence is a problem. If I lived in Moscow I'd want updates. They can release a little without compromising the investigation imo
They do give updates. And there is alot of info on their website. But they will not show their hand because that would be like telling the perp what they know already.
You have the best investigators, i really love hearing them talk about different cases.
Intelligent! Don't even compare. They live their work, and study these profiles of killers
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The ex tenant of the house states it’s an old creaky house that’s not true. The house has been extended in 3 stages so the house is not old.
When you live in a noisy party house you just learn to tune it out especially when you’re a young un. That’s not surprising to me that they didn’t either hear something or they did and tuned it out thinking a party was going on upstairs .
Personally I wonder whether it was actually an ex tenant, who maybe still had access. My landlord hasn't changed keys or codes for years.
@@100th_monkey there was another ex tenet that came forward that lived there back 2019 and he said that when he lived on the first floor, he said that he couldn’t hear noise from the other parts of the house. 🤷♀️
@@100th_monkey Shameful how many landlords will forego the safety of the tenants to save a few pennies.
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When you have blood for at least four people maybe five including the killer. Then you have a house that's probably had at least 100 different people in it recently with fingerprints shoe prints all over the house the doors the parking lot and then you're trying to get some DNA together from five people that's a lot of work and time even with all the people The Sheriff has helping him.
The question to be asked should be, is this a killer who had a plan and the MEANS to leave town, or has he stayed in place simply because he HAS to?
The unconscious person was one of the survivors who fainted during the 911 call.
Nope.
@@mlaine2 we don’t know one way or the other. Lot of rumors originating from Reddit early on.
That's correct..both survivors were hysterical therefore hyperventilating occurs and she passed out. She had already dialed 911 but neither of the survivors could speak. People walking by took the phone and spoke to 911 explaining she didn't know what was happening both two girls were hysterical and one fainted. Police arrived not knowing there was a murder scene inside. LE found the victims pretty quickly. There were several people who had accumulated outside due to the hysterical girls. One could barely explain that Ethan was injured..
This info came from one of the people that gathered outside during the 911 call..neighbors, some walking dogs..
If you look at the updates on the MPD website, it says it was for one of the victims. It’s under “who called 911”
I also think LE has to be vague with the families, because it would be very difficult for a parent to not exact punishment on the culprit.
Great panel. Great Questions
Amazing guests today!
By not disclosing any person of interest, there's still a very good chance the chain of evidence IS pointing to someone, it's just that the police know they need a watertight case. They don't want it to go tits up and they certainly don't want to spook any potential suspect. It's not about keeping the nosey public satisfied, it's about finding the perpetrator and ensuring they get a guilty verdict in court.
tell that to the reporter Banfield on news nation
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@Robin Dreeke ..Amazing guest. ThankU ❤️
If the killer were to find out that the surviving roommates had anything to contribute, they might be at risk. They could become targets for the killer.
I'm interested in the timing of the 911 call, and also the four figures passing in front of the light visible in the background of a body cam.
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And also , prayers for Annie Le s family too( Yale student 🕯🕊🙏🏽).
Excellent guests! Extremely interesting!
Another great show. I hope they find the perps soon.
Always the best discussions here on STS! Thanks Joel! Missing Karm…she’s fabulous! ❤❤❤
Again, you present excellent guests. Thank you!
I heard it was a friend who saw the murder scene who fainted from shock who was unconscious in the front year.
Joel - great show. I'm a New Haven native. Horrible murder at Yale.
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Great Show as usual . with excellent host and guests .
@survivethesurvivor I’m not sure where I heard this or if it’s true about the 911 call. One of the roommates who found the scene was so hysterical that she fainted when she ran outside of the house. People or a person was around by then and they used her phone to call 911. So the roommate who fainted was the unconscious person and whoever tried to help her and call 911 had not been in the house so had no idea of the mess inside the house. That actually makes sense to me but again, dunno if it’s true.
It is being said that the surviving roommate was the unconscious person, that fainted. It is said from one of the individuals speaking to 911 was asked about blood, and this individual said, "it's everywhere''.
Would like to know what New Haven Detective Lisa thinks about the still unsolved case of Yale University student Suzanne Join - murdered right off campus in 1998. Does she think it will ever be solved? Why hasn't the case received more attention (from LE and from the "true crime community"?)
You tube changed the spelling of Suzanne's last name - correct spelling is "JOVIN". Thanks!
I've never heard of this case.
It wasn't just 2 people who didn't hear anything and didn't wake up. As the first person was being killed, there were 5 other people who were undisturbed and still asleep, then 4 and so on. Could there have been 2 killers both using the same kind of knife?
Questions I would ask: Could you speculate about killer’s present psychological and behavioral state? What could such a killer be doing and thinking now? Where is he? (probably, anywhere). Can you focus on the element of thrill, building terror in the community, and more? Is he watching this broadcast? Relishing the experience?
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Great program and guests.
It is really interesting how the killer[s] were able to enter in do this horrible deed and get out without leaving trace evidence I remember a case where the killer removed all his clothing murdering naked showering put his clean clothes back on then left, he certainly had the time to do this.
I do think the fact that the footage from that day didn't show a visible bloody trail out of the house indicates something. Some planning was done to avoid leaving a visible trail out of the house. Bags on shoes? Coveralls? I also think anyone using this knife to kill would plan for slippage and wear protective gloves.
It seems like the video about Adam means nothing. It seems like it was someone not even being considered, someone in plain sight or long gone.
I've been wondering if the police or FBI could have undercover young men or women posing as college students? I know this has been done at other schools and colleges to hopefully get people to open up more and gain more relevant information. So many students and someone has to know more about whom the killer or killers are. I know this information couldn't be released to the public.
Great point. Will ask.
I wouldn't be surprised at all!
Yes! Those kids would know so much!
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I remember the Annie case. I was living only a few miles from the murder science in New Haven. Disgruntled wacky co worker.
As cold as they say it was that morning, it doesn't surprise me that blood wasn't found outside the house. Once the killer got outside any blood on him would have been freezing to him, not dripping off of him.
Also everybody wonders about people not hearing the crime in the house when it was being committed. But if you listen to all the neighbors in the area they repeatedly say that that house always had music playing at all hours of the night. I don’t know for sure but I think it’s very possible that out of the four individuals who had been out having fun on the town when they came home intoxicated very possible they put music on in their room while they were falling asleep and this could account for why they did not hear any thing happening in the house
Just a thought
Don't forget they could be heavy sleepers. I slept through gunfire outside my apartment in college
@T G well since the neighbors always heard music coming from the house I would assume they had speakers
I've lived in dorms and barracks. You quickly learn to ignore the noise. Roommates act out videos with bad loud singing, and jump down stairs, and leave their tv on.
@T G It’s my understanding the first floor was built first originally and the other floors were added on that makes those exterior walls much more soundproof than a normal interior wall. Also I remember the media reporting early on that there is a door on the first floor that can be locked that separates from the other two floors I don’t know if that helps
Maybe a pissed off neighbor due to noise ?
Someone called in a noise complaint !
Maybe the person has a toddler who keeps getting woken up?
Maybe they said hey you won’t let me sleep I won’t let you sleep and then things went sideways ??
I think the girls on the 1st floor simply didn't hear anything loud enough or distressing enough to fully wake them up. They had been out to separate parties themselves. I also think the perpetrator was viewing the house from the woods located behind the house and simply didn't see the lights or motion on the 1st floor where their bedrooms were. He didn't know they were home, possibly didn't know that there were bedrooms located there, that's why he didn't go down the stairs to their rooms.
A few days ago someone described the killer as not a college student but a “class act”. I was very disturbed by this comment and would want to know who would say this. Could it be the killer or someone who thinks like the killer?
They say they misspoke. Who knows?!
Annie lei case was very different. That lab was not just open to everybody, and the tech waited for the opportune time. And there were plenty of hiding places for a petite victim.
Yes. And I always wondered if he had preplanned to do it and hide someone in the wall.
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The kid who lived in the 1122 King Rd house and said you could hear everything completely contradicted what other people have said about the original house, which is the downstairs section. Because it was an independent building before the bizarre add-on, it's supposed to be well insulated. That makes sense because it had its own roof.
Would you ask panel if they ever followed intuition as opposed to facts/forensics. Do their level of intuition become stronger with experience?
If the car owners would just send in information this would be huge .
Does the house keypad have a tracking report clock in or out
There is so much crazy violence these days that people get murdered over a parking spot. Or a recent story of eight highschool girls in Canada who bludgeoned to death a homeless man just for fun. Reminds me of that old Stanley Kubrick film, 'A Clockwork Orange'. It was very prophetic. It's the world we live in now.
Kaylee- target
Maddie- best friend that likely defended Kaylee for many years. And he felt got in between their relationship.
Ethan & Xana weren’t planned. But they woke up and recognized him. He was already in a frantic rage from what he had just done, So he continued on with them.