Everyone's pointing out the premonitions already, but I want to point out the Master hypnotized Buffy in the season one finale. It's how he killed her. So we have seen it happen before Drusilla does it to Kendra. It's just not something every vampire can do.
Regarding that scene with Angel in the car it needs to be direct sunlight to affect vampires, also it takes them longer to set on fire if they are important to the story.
@@serenityq26 I always said, whoever's gonna win a fight in a story is whoever needs to win the fight for the story to go where the writers want it to go
Got to appreciate Spike's sarcasm. "It's a big rock. Can't wait to tell all my friends. No one else has a rock this big..." 😄🤣 And my personal favorite, "Someone wasn't worthy..." Heeee. Savage.
In the passion episode when Jenny buys the Orb the magic shop owner tells her he sells a lot of them to people as “new age paperweights” and now that pays off as Giles uses one as a paper weight.
I always read the 'deja vu' moment as the show hinting at buffy/the slayers occasional prophetic ability. Buffy doesnt exactly know the ins and outside of this ability so confuses it for deja vu
Speaking as a follower who always stays for the after-chat, regarding the moonlight conversation, Buffy runs on magic rules not literaly physics rules. There is something specific to being hit by direct sunlight that is dangerous to them, and it doesn't relate to photons or anything because Buffy vampires are governed by the laws of magic. Dru and Buffy have both been established to have precognitive powers, Buffy in her visions of the Master at the end of season 1 and Dru in Passion when she sees that Jenny is preparing to re-ensoul Angel. James Marsters' performance as Spike is so delightful in this episode, he's got good material but really makes it his own. This episode is mainly about putting the pieces on the board, the next episode is where the payoff comes, in spades. One thing I will say about Buffy as a show is that at the time we didn't necessarily notice quite how many of the recurring characters who die are women. It's much more common than for men. So I think Micky's reaction is more relatable than some people might find. Can't wait to watch the season finale with you, it's a serious contender for my number 1 episode of all time
So, the issue of you're punishing the wrong person - I agree. So, I think does Joss Whedon. In the commentary track to Innocence he talks about how they'd set up the curse but then realised it doesn't make any sense. Not only are you punishing the wrong person, but it's set up so that if he achieves happiness he reverts to Angelus and people die. That's not good. So his solution, from a writing pov, was "Vengeance is a living thing." "It's not justice we serve but Vengeance". They serve Vengeance regardless of whether it makes sense, like it's some kind of irrational god. To be fair this doesn't make a ton more sense but it's something. And if you go with it, it buys you the whole Angel -> Angelus turn which is so fun. Slayers are prophetic, it's part of the gift. Buffy has had prophetic dreams before, they even named an episode after it. The deja-vu moment makes Buffy check again and that leads them to find the disc. It doesn't have any extra significance other than that, but given what the disc contains that's enough. Also, I don't know if it's been established except by example but some vampires can hypnotise but not all it seems. The Master could and Dru can apparently. As for the moonlight thing - I don't think it's ever addressed, but it's a potential issue in lots of different vampire lores. As far as the show goes as long as they're out of direct sunlight they're usually OK. Another thing he said in the same commentary was that they cared far more about things like the emotions in a scene than whether the logic is water tight. There's a lot of hand-wavy explanations in this show but it's worth it for the ride.
When Angelus was awakened, he clearly had recollections of Buffy making him feel like a human. Hence, he was being punished by giving Angel control of the body that they both inhabit.
"I wanna hear Willow cuss!" The funny this is, in real life Alyson Hannigan apparently swore like a sailor back then, way more than anybody else in the cast. :)
Buffy has had premonitions, predictive dreams, and weird intuition before. Giles explains in the first episode that it’s part of her Slayer power set. Destiny does partially drive a Slayer. This is why a HUGE chunk of the deep Buffy fandom believe Dru is a potential Slayer who never called. Either another was called instead, or the Slayer of her time lasted so long that Dru was too old to be called. It’s kind of a very popular fan head canon that Dru’s visions are a holdover from a Slayer destiny she never got to fulfill. That also explains why Angel was so obsessed with torturing her for a significant amount of time, to drive her mad before turning her.
I never bought into that theory. Buffy has prophetic *dreams* . Drusilla has *visions* while she's awake. Not the same. Another character from S7 had visions like Dru, that didn't make her a potential. It's a supernatural universe, random people have gifts too.
Ah the one-two-punch of Angel's "Irish" accent and Kendra's ??? accent. RIP Kendra! I do wish we'd had a few more episodes with you before they killed you off, but it's fun seeing Dru in action. The stalker vibes from 1996 Angel didn't age well. But those are really just nitpicks ribbing the show in good fun, I love this two-parter overall and where things go from here. SMG's acting continues to be great, the dialogue holds up better than a ~25 year old show has any right to, and I remember episodes like this were unlike 99% of what was on TV in those days. Can't wait for next week's finale!
I don't think Angel following Buffy in LA was him being creepy, it was Angel following instructions from Whistler. I also don't think Angel fell in love with Buffy before Sunnydale he just wanted to help Buffy and have a purpose(i'm sure he was tired of eating rats in NY for years).
It’s just how this younger generation thinks. They love to spout their knee-jerk reactions as the “right” thing to feel. It’s like the young/old relationship between human and vampire, Buffy and Angel. I’ve seen a lot of young people react to this show and most feel creeped out by the age difference. No one wants to take into account that one of the two aren’t human and those social “rules” don’t apply. I watched this when it aired and I was around 20yo. I never once thought those thoughts about their relationship. This generation definitely overthinks what they’re given here, most likely due to how much content is available now vs. then.
I always hated Xanders thought process in the library because it's based more on emotion instead of logic but he tries to present it as logic. The goal should be to stop Angelus, the spell can be done at distance as soon as they get the stuff which means they don't have to wait to find him and Buffy doesn't have to be in danger. The spell is the logical choice if your goal is getting Angelus off the streets as quickly and with the least amount of danger to the group.
Yeah, but after what Angelus did, if you turn him back into Angel, are you really going to be able to stand to be in the same room as him or stand knowing that he's still alive? And honestly, even if he doesn't go back to Buffy, what if he falls in love again and reverts back to Angelus AGAIN? You'll essentially be right back to where you started. While I do agree Xander was letting his emotions get the better of him, he wasn't necessarily wrong. The best way to stop Angelus and end Angel’s suffering/give Angel some sort of peace without turning him into a homicidal psychopath is to put him down.
Also, I think there is a fan theory that Drusilla might have been a potential Slayer and that is why she had the ability to see things before they happen like Buffy does. However, Angel turned her into a Vampire preventing her from ever becoming a Slayer. Not sure if that was ever confirmed by Joss Whedon or not.
If you think back to the very first episode, Angel was already in Sunnydale waiting for Buffy to get there. It makes a lot of sense now after seeing Angel's flashbacks.
Man, the sunlight/moon convo had me done. It's like saying someone could get sun-burnt from moonlight! Ugh no. And as someone who is actually physically allergic to the sun, I have no problem with sun light being reflected off of the moon to hurt me. Just like a vampire would have no issue.
Rana: DARLA!!! That was great! The set up for part 2 is there and now that I'm thinking of it there's a lot that goes on in part 2. It also sets up storylines for the future. Soon, we'll hit season 3!!! Oh, man!
The funniest bit about Giles using the Orb of Thesulah as a paperweight is that when Jenny went to go buy one, the guy at the magic shop said that he usually sells them as paperweights. The second-funniest bit is that I'm very doubtful about the usefulness of a spherical paperweight.
Angelus IS being punished by the curse. All the time that ensouled Angel is in control, the demon is still in there, trapped, powerless, and hating every second of it.
Déjà vu is not something you’ve already experienced….it’s just an impression . Some say it’s because you must have dreamt about it before, so when it happens you feel like you’ve already lived it. Others say there is a more scientific explanation for it ( like your eyes see the situation a second before your brain or something like that , so it’s like you seen it twice)
I actually think Xander has a little bit of physical enhancement leftover from Go Fish. He doesn't know it, but it keeps him alive in some situations when a completely normal human would be toast.
don't forget the leftover traces of military training from that Halloween episode. its how he got the rocket launcher. it maybe helps him in avoiding big meaty vampire punches.
Becoming part 1 was a great lead into the brilliant S2 finale Becoming part 2. So much in this episode to digest. The loss of Kendra, Angel's back story being turned by Darla, and we also see Drusilla being tormented by Angelus in The Confessional. At least the floppy disk has been found, and Willow can now work her magic. We now have the climax to come, and you will not be disappointed a brilliant last episode to come. I think you can now really see how this show engrosses all reactors that enter The Buffyverse! and Guys, S3 is a near flawless Season, even better than this!
Again, Normies catch what I missed the first time, and I always say that this is the greatest tv show of all time. Angel said ‘Become.’ Good Lord. Subtle.
"Someone wasn't worthy..." Love Spike here. I was going to be good and not watch this until I could watch the reaction to Becoming 2 as well, but I'm weak and all about the instant gratification. Even after all these years Kendra's death still hurts so much.
Most people forget that Drusilla is a very strong vampire, she easily lift Spike's body from the church with one hand. Also, if you take the effect of Sunlight on vampires as supernatural, than conceptually Moonlight is the reverse of Sunlight for the purpose of 'light' on a supernatural level, the Yin of the Yang.
Fun Fact: A year later in 1999, a comic was released retelling Buffy‘s origin, which is more faithful to the original script than the movie was. It’s pretty good and what they do with Buffy watcher is interesting. Great episode and reaction, this is the show at its best.
As many times as I've seen this episode, I just realized in the flashback when Angel saw Buffy for the 1st time.... That was the clocktower from Back to the Future!! 😁
Chris at 19:50 It's not even a real graveyard. It's patches of grass around the writer's parking lot with plaster and foam headstones set up in different configurations. The mausoleum exteriors are on wheeled bases, and you can usually see the same bit of wall and lamp post. trivia c/o my dvd commentary tracks
Mark 19:57? Before anyone from a smaller community asks, "Why wouldn't it be?", because your home town does have only one cemetery, I shall let you know that, "Sunnydale", supposedly has multiple cemeteries because of the city origins. We have multiple cemeteries too, but not because of, Spanish Colonialism, the Hellmouth, et cetera. But I digress. Thanks to, "MeTV", showing the reruns of both, "Petticoat Junction" & "Green Acres", I still get to here the name... Oops! "Riverdale"! Not, "Sunnydale"! 😁😆
I’m so glad they were excited by Darla’s return. I really hope they watch Angel when it starts, and get to Fool For Love (Buffy) and Darla (Angel) in the same week…
I think they were a little annoyed by the comments from Innocence reaction lol but I'm glad at least you guys are paying attention... You don't need to change the way you are but making jokes for every dramatic scene was getting weird. It's a fantasy show, the same way Marvel and house of the dragon are fantasy shows. This episode is great and the flashbacks were amazing. Good you guys noticed Darla.
Commenting ahead to the next episode (Normies are on season 3 so nothing spoiling for them, BUT may be spoilers to people watching along) but I’ve never noticed Darla and Buffy kill Angel in the same way - a kiss and then say to him “close your eyes” before the act
I swear when I watched the series the first time Buffy had a dream earlier in the season where she saw the pencil drop so the "deja vu" thing made perfect sense. Did that get cut out of the DVDs or something?
I think it is kind of fitting to punish Angel by restoring his soul. He's not actually a separate person; he still has the same human brain, which gives him his creativity and the memories that motivated him to target certain types of people. And the demon that drove him to be evil is still in there, also being punished.
Mark 18:59. Well, there was the whole, "Grunge", fad that I didn't understand until the, COVID-19 Pandemic Quarantine, that made those of us that stayed home, rather than try to willfully spread the disease by spite, look like grungy people. But anyway, back then, well, as with any fad, there are those that ignore them, resist them, are oblivious to them, or can't afford them. In my family, hand-me downs, was still a practice. The elders would swap clothing that the children outgrew, sometimes leading to public shaming, by wearing girls clothes, that snap or button from the other side! Or sometimes you get to be "cool", by wearing vintage shirts, like my father's shirts that he outgrew. While others at school dressed like, "The Brady Bunch" or "The Partridge Family", or whatever. I was dressed like I was in, "The Andy Griffith Show", and getting called, "Opie". At least in, Pauls Valley, when we lived close to so many cousins. It was when we lived in, Moore, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, or Ada, that we got new clothes and looked up to date, as there was no one around to pass along their old clothes. Whew. 😁 Edit: Oops! I went back to the 1960s. By the 1990s, with everyone grown up, the hand-me-downs supply was long gone, for us. The youngest were still having them forced on them! 😁
Whistler works for "Good" - "our side" is just those who oppose evil. The Watchers Council is on the side of Good - though they don't always function very efficiently.
Buffy does have special dreams, sometimes . . . but she's not actually a seer like Drusilla. The moment with the floppy disk was just her being like "oh wait hold on, I just missed something " but the writers just wanted it to feel dramatic, that's my take anyway. 🤷. Looking forward to the final reaction 👍
Nearly panicked when this didn't show up in my notifications. I don't get upset that The Normies laugh, I just hope they don't miss anything while doing so. Most accents in the series have been criticized, but especially David Boreanaz as human Angel and Bianca Lawson as Kendra. Bianca Lawson was given a last minute change from her character originally being another nationality and her voice coach was too ambitious and wanted to do an accent from a remote region of Jamaica, while David Boreanaz just cannot do an Irish accent, but his character is written as being from Ireland. I laughed when they couldn't recognize Drusilla. Drusilla's always been able to see the future. It's how Angelus was warned that Jenny was trying to restore Angel's soul. I always wondered what "deja vu" Buffy was talking about, but also assumed it was an expansion of Buffy's dreams. I don't look at it as Angel being punished. I look at it as Angel is the punishment. Angel isn't cursed. Angelus is. Angel had his time. And he spent it chasing women and died because of it. Angel is technically only a good person because of Angelus's actions. If he didn't feel that guilt he would have been a player and alcoholic for a short life. Either way he wouldn't be "alive" in modern day times. His life is just as a curse against Angelus. It may be unfair. But it is also his second chance, as he wasn't seen as decent in life. Xander disliking the idea of restoring Angel's soul isn't the issue I have with him in that moment. It is how he chooses to talk to people. He even starts in on Cordelia before realizing she agrees with him. I lost all respect for Xander when he said to Giles about Jenny, "Yeah, well she's dead." This line is not only rude, but shows a personality I cannot get behind whether I agree with him or not. Plus saying that line is hypocritical of defending her against death in _Passion._ If he wanted to get his point across without having an attitude and without being rude he should have followed Kendra's later example when she calmly tells Buffy, "I tend to side with your friend Xander on this one. Angel should be killed." Buffy talks to Kendra, but everyone has issues with Xander's attitude. If Xander cannot express his opinions to his friends without attacking them, they won't care what his opinions are, with this or anything else. But Buffy does care about Kendra's opinion enough to explain things to her because Kendra is respectful in her disagreement against Buffy. Thank god they cannot get the reboot off the ground. There are so many threads outside of Buffy herself they could just expand upon, even at this point that there isn't a need for a reboot. And they don't even need to do that. Not only was Angel stalking Buffy from the day he found out she was a slayer, but he also lied about it. He pretends he is seeing her for the first time in _Welcome to the Hellmouth._ I've seen people argue it was for a good reason, but there were other ways he could have handled it. Such as asking to fight beside Buffy. Explaining Whistler and what Whistler said. Saying he'd like to help, but doing so from the shadows (metaphorically speaking). He never even had to initially bring up being a vampire with scenarios like these. Angel just chose to continue stalking instead. The Normies missed the vague explanation of Whistler saying he's a balancing demon. The curse isn't about happiness. Its about feeling guilty. When he doesn't feel any guilt over Angelus' action...no soul. Enyos told Jenny that in _Innocence_ when he said, "One moment where the soul that we restored no longer plagues his thoughts, and that soul is taken from him." The Scoobies unintentionally create a situation in _Innocence_ where they have Jenny say Buffy did it. That is true. But happiness is just one of many vehicles that could create Angel not feeling guilty. And if he were to ever get his soul back, whether anyone knows it or not, it would be harder for Angel to not feel guilty even around Buffy because of Angelus' actions. But none of it matters to the characters themselves, because they all believe losing his soul is about happiness, and specifically sex with Buffy. The curse is actually all very well done, writing-wise, but many people don't catch all the nuances without multiple viewings over many years. Even I didn't for a long time. Angel's soul isn't on the floppy disk. The curse that was lost to Jenny's people was retranslated by Jenny and she saved it onto the disk before Angelus killed her.
Y'all need to watch/react to Angel when you''re finished with Buffy. Also, the ring that Buffy was looking at is a claddagh ring, an Irish ring. She and Angel both had one and it symbolizes love, loyalty and friendship. If worn with the heart facing inwards it represents that you are in a committed relationship. My husband gave me a claddagh ring as a gift prior to to my engagement ring and wedding ring. He had one as well and is the love of my life. Saying all of this, I think I understand Buffy's heartbreak when she looked at her ring. She lost the love of her life and was grief stricken over it.
So, the curse was supposed to be ended when Angie experienced "perfect happiness" which not to be mean the Romani that cursed him, he was a mess of a man and they had no expectation that he would escape the trainwreck era. They should have absolutely thought about it and given him no chance of being happy.
Angel can find love again but if he experiences a true moment of "Perfect Happiness", it's a wrap. What a lot of people don't talk about when discussing this is that "perfect happiness" is rare and very difficult to obtain. I've long had a theory that one of the reasons he was able to reach that moment of "perfect happiness" was because he was largely oblivious to the fact that his soul could be lost if it happened. Being with Buffy in that moment allowed him to forget everything else in his life and simply love her and be loved by her but if he'd known more about his curse, he probably would have had a harder time separating his knowledge of that from just focusing on loving Buffy. Thus, his happiness while making love with her would have been slightly imperfect. Still genuine and honest, don't get me wrong, but not exactly "perfect" like the lifting of the curse requires. For Angel now, it would be even harder for him to reach "perfect happiness" again after losing his soul this season, terrorizing everyone, and killing a bunch of people. This is because every moment of happiness he experiences after this would be overshadowed by his own sadness, guilt, fear, and/or insecurity. So, while he can find love again, he can have sex, he can even feel some measure of contentment and joy either with Buffy or with someone else...it is extremely unlikely he can naturally experience the same kind of pure, unadulterated happiness that would be considered "perfect" enough for the curse to lift again. Definitely not unless he is aided by something or some situation that allows him to either forget the nature of his curse and/or the past.
Mark 15:22. Funny inserts, Marketa's interesting shirt, and now that tiny note that took awhile to get the pause just right. I missed out on both, "True Blood" & "The Vampire Diaries", after having only seen samples of them on talk shows when both were new series. 😒
Mark 31:30. In the movie, Kristy Swanson's, "Buffy", has prescient dreams more often. "Deja Vu", means that you just think you've done it before. There's a different term for having actually experienced a moment before, but it's a fictional concept, not a real one from, Psychology. 🤔
PS: The humor of, World War II, forcing Supernatural beings to chose sides! Even getting drafted to serve! I want to see how your group reacts to that! 😁😆
PS: Seth Green! I was seeing his name but not his face, in one of the shows that I try to keep up with. It turns out that he replaced, Jim Gaffigan, as the voice of the, "Thunderbolt" genie in, "DC's Stargirl". I thought that I was seeing his new hairy face, but not hearing his voice, in the newer series, "Walker: Independence", the Western Genre spin-off of the, "Walker", series that "rebooted", "Walker, Texas Ranger". By the way! Actress Mercedes McNab, has a long enough duration scene, in which she's in bondage! She's a damsel-in-distress, tied down to a chair with a bomb under it! So for most of the episode, she has to emote, but not so much so that she detonates the bomb! 😳
Mark 5:39. Rana, are they trying to escape? Do they need calming? I've never seen a pass do her own heavy petting before, and apparently neither has the camera or editor. 🤔😁🤫🤭😎
I agree that it totally sucked to bring whatshername other slayer back for just a scene, but Mr Pointy lives on to fight another day. I highly recommend the next episode and 3.1 (also known as the episode after), they're really good. Someone wasn't worthy.
I think Xander was 100% wrong. Angelus is an extremely dangerous opponent and the safest way to defeat him is to turn him back into ensouled Angel. It got nothing to do with forgiving him for killing Jenny. BTW, David's Irish accent was perfect. I claim that this is how Irish sounded like in the mid 1700s and I'm prepared to die on this hill.
Mark 28:24. Mute Vamps, make more sense than talking ones do. Angel, keeps on telling, Buffy, and others, that he doesn't need to breathe, while he is taking in air just talk! Spike, just to smoke! Yet, they stop short of putting cobwebs inside them, when they show us their atrophied internal organs! Supposedly a supply of fresh blood, lubricates those organs. But still, because they treat the lore like a buffet and just chose what they like, need, or want to use, they cause some contradictions. 🙄
If you're watching the HD remastered version a lot of the lighting was messed up, like colour tints for certain scenes. Sometimes the scenes look like midday lighting when it's supposed to be sunset etc. Not so much in this episode but in other future episodes. It's kind of a shame because the lighting can change the whole mood of a scene.. and some other mistakes you can straight up see the film crew at the edges from sloppy widening from 4:3 ratio. It's such a shame that they treated such a well loved show so poorly when it comes to preservation.
I would have loved if they said the ritual needed to be performed at the Hellmouth. Cos really, they should have done the ritual at Giles place to avoid a vampire attack. Drusilla is a very effective vampire. It's entirely possible she didn't know Kendra was in the library and still took out a Slayer.
If people are leaving when you have the discussions maybe they just aren't interesting. And that falls on the creator. Tip there is a pause button. It is him. I hate the argument that angel and Angelus are such separate beings. Keep in mind as the show goes on how vastly different he is with and without a soul
I agree. I've never bought into the whole vampire demon possession thing. Common headcanon which has some merit is that in-universe, its Watcher-Lore that vampires are demons in meatsuits, to dehumanise them, to make people feel more at ease with killing other people, especially if it was someone they knew who was turned. Angel and Angelus are one in the same, difference is one has a conscience and feels remorse for what he has done, doubly so because a part of him enjoyed it.
Mark 16:38. The hat guy! Poor actor. But anyway, I hope that this episode doesn't dissuade you from seeing the movie! So, the flashbacks began with this episode. 🤔 It's been awhile. I was thinking that it was saved for the series, "Angel". Hmm. So now they are practicing for his spin-off series so soon! 🤫🤭😆
Vampires can't be in direct sunlight. Remember when Kendra tried to kill Angel in the cage? The room was getting light and he was ok, but he was trying to keep his body out of the sunbeam from the window.
@@markrankin1094 I'm also biased because it's the first episode I ever watched. But minute 1 to minute 42 its just a nonstop rollercoaster of action, comedy and heart. The last five minutes is probably Buffy at its best for me.
@@sagaofsarahrose I also put it in Top 5 territory, but I think Becoming Pt 2 has them all beat in how it showed how this show was willing to break all the rules of what a show could be. And by the end, every major premise of the show had been removed: Buffy's in high school, she does her job slaying vampires, she keeps her life secret from her mom, etc. It must have been a huge inspiration for TV writers. Even though Innocence was a turning point, audiences still hoped for a clean resolution that involved Angel getting his soul back. Becoming Pt 2 showed that this show wasn't just going to take the easy way out and that everything that happens matters.
Mickey: “Can we follow Kendra around for a season?”
Drusilla: “Hmmmmmm No…”
Buffy has always had precognition of some kind with her dreams. So I think it was just a kind of expansion of that.
Was going to make the same comment.
100% - I kind of wonder if there was originally a dream sequence where the pencil thing happens that they ended up cutting for time or pacing reasons.
She's literally introduced having a vision.
I swear...Spike, Drusilla and Angelus are such a fun trio of chaos !! They chew so much scenery it's amazing !!
Everyone's pointing out the premonitions already, but I want to point out the Master hypnotized Buffy in the season one finale. It's how he killed her. So we have seen it happen before Drusilla does it to Kendra. It's just not something every vampire can do.
Plus given the fact that Dru is psychic makes sense she can
Regarding that scene with Angel in the car it needs to be direct sunlight to affect vampires, also it takes them longer to set on fire if they are important to the story.
lol so true
@@serenityq26 Superman's not an A-lister?
@@serenityq26 I always said, whoever's gonna win a fight in a story is whoever needs to win the fight for the story to go where the writers want it to go
Got to appreciate Spike's sarcasm. "It's a big rock. Can't wait to tell all my friends. No one else has a rock this big..." 😄🤣
And my personal favorite, "Someone wasn't worthy..." Heeee. Savage.
Yeah absolutely he has such a great sense of sarcastic humor 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah absolutely he has such a great sense of sarcastic humor 🤣🤣🤣
In the passion episode when Jenny buys the Orb the magic shop owner tells her he sells a lot of them to people as “new age paperweights” and now that pays off as Giles uses one as a paper weight.
If only Jenny shared with Giles her plan, he would have told her he had the Orb, Drusilla wouldn't have found out what Jenny was up to.
How tf are comments here already 4 weeks old
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@@johnb2422 How would that prevent Drusilla from finding out? They likely would've targeted Giles as well.
@@jp3813 oh true but she didnt know the exact details until she went to the shop and asked the shop owner what the mean teacher was up to.
I always read the 'deja vu' moment as the show hinting at buffy/the slayers occasional prophetic ability. Buffy doesnt exactly know the ins and outside of this ability so confuses it for deja vu
The demon still resides in the body, its trapped while the soul is in charge. So the demon suffers as long as the soul is in control
Yes dru has always had premonitions, she predicted what jenny was doing.
The Moon. It sings to her.
@@stevemccullagh36 She's also named all the stars the same name, and there's terrible confusion.
@@stevemccullagh36 Oim riiinging
Plus the ones she was having during the episodes with The Judge when Angel was losing his soul.
They were talking about learning that she had visions _before_ she was turned into a vampire.
Speaking as a follower who always stays for the after-chat, regarding the moonlight conversation, Buffy runs on magic rules not literaly physics rules. There is something specific to being hit by direct sunlight that is dangerous to them, and it doesn't relate to photons or anything because Buffy vampires are governed by the laws of magic.
Dru and Buffy have both been established to have precognitive powers, Buffy in her visions of the Master at the end of season 1 and Dru in Passion when she sees that Jenny is preparing to re-ensoul Angel.
James Marsters' performance as Spike is so delightful in this episode, he's got good material but really makes it his own. This episode is mainly about putting the pieces on the board, the next episode is where the payoff comes, in spades. One thing I will say about Buffy as a show is that at the time we didn't necessarily notice quite how many of the recurring characters who die are women. It's much more common than for men. So I think Micky's reaction is more relatable than some people might find.
Can't wait to watch the season finale with you, it's a serious contender for my number 1 episode of all time
I love how Dru kills Kendra, like a viper. It's so fitting of her character
I was thinking more like a cat. Her vamp makeup is more catlike than the other vampires on the show.
Kitty's got claws.
I was always perplexed by it, the slayer blood would give a vamp mega strength so you'd think Dru would bite her.
@@kimberlyjeanne9456 To be fair, you're trying to apply logic to DRUSILLA. Her logic does not resemble our Earth logic. It's insane troll logic.
"how is that fair, you're punishing the human for something they didn't do?"
Miss Calender's Uncle: "It is not Justice we serve, but vengeance!"
So, the issue of you're punishing the wrong person - I agree. So, I think does Joss Whedon. In the commentary track to Innocence he talks about how they'd set up the curse but then realised it doesn't make any sense. Not only are you punishing the wrong person, but it's set up so that if he achieves happiness he reverts to Angelus and people die. That's not good. So his solution, from a writing pov, was "Vengeance is a living thing." "It's not justice we serve but Vengeance". They serve Vengeance regardless of whether it makes sense, like it's some kind of irrational god. To be fair this doesn't make a ton more sense but it's something. And if you go with it, it buys you the whole Angel -> Angelus turn which is so fun.
Slayers are prophetic, it's part of the gift. Buffy has had prophetic dreams before, they even named an episode after it. The deja-vu moment makes Buffy check again and that leads them to find the disc. It doesn't have any extra significance other than that, but given what the disc contains that's enough.
Also, I don't know if it's been established except by example but some vampires can hypnotise but not all it seems. The Master could and Dru can apparently.
As for the moonlight thing - I don't think it's ever addressed, but it's a potential issue in lots of different vampire lores. As far as the show goes as long as they're out of direct sunlight they're usually OK.
Another thing he said in the same commentary was that they cared far more about things like the emotions in a scene than whether the logic is water tight. There's a lot of hand-wavy explanations in this show but it's worth it for the ride.
When Angelus was awakened, he clearly had recollections of Buffy making him feel like a human. Hence, he was being punished by giving Angel control of the body that they both inhabit.
"I wanna hear Willow cuss!" The funny this is, in real life Alyson Hannigan apparently swore like a sailor back then, way more than anybody else in the cast. :)
Buffy has had premonitions, predictive dreams, and weird intuition before. Giles explains in the first episode that it’s part of her Slayer power set. Destiny does partially drive a Slayer. This is why a HUGE chunk of the deep Buffy fandom believe Dru is a potential Slayer who never called. Either another was called instead, or the Slayer of her time lasted so long that Dru was too old to be called. It’s kind of a very popular fan head canon that Dru’s visions are a holdover from a Slayer destiny she never got to fulfill. That also explains why Angel was so obsessed with torturing her for a significant amount of time, to drive her mad before turning her.
I never bought into that theory. Buffy has prophetic *dreams* . Drusilla has *visions* while she's awake. Not the same. Another character from S7 had visions like Dru, that didn't make her a potential. It's a supernatural universe, random people have gifts too.
That’s cool. I love the theory. I’m gonna stick with it. I think it makes Dru more layered and tragic.
Ah the one-two-punch of Angel's "Irish" accent and Kendra's ??? accent. RIP Kendra! I do wish we'd had a few more episodes with you before they killed you off, but it's fun seeing Dru in action. The stalker vibes from 1996 Angel didn't age well.
But those are really just nitpicks ribbing the show in good fun, I love this two-parter overall and where things go from here. SMG's acting continues to be great, the dialogue holds up better than a ~25 year old show has any right to, and I remember episodes like this were unlike 99% of what was on TV in those days. Can't wait for next week's finale!
I don't think Angel following Buffy in LA was him being creepy, it was Angel following instructions from Whistler. I also don't think Angel fell in love with Buffy before Sunnydale he just wanted to help Buffy and have a purpose(i'm sure he was tired of eating rats in NY for years).
I agree, we're shown that his motivation was to protect her and guide her
It’s just how this younger generation thinks. They love to spout their knee-jerk reactions as the “right” thing to feel. It’s like the young/old relationship between human and vampire, Buffy and Angel. I’ve seen a lot of young people react to this show and most feel creeped out by the age difference. No one wants to take into account that one of the two aren’t human and those social “rules” don’t apply. I watched this when it aired and I was around 20yo. I never once thought those thoughts about their relationship. This generation definitely overthinks what they’re given here, most likely due to how much content is available now vs. then.
It was a mystical thing. Slayers just get visions sometimes and she's interpreting that as DeJa'Vu.
I always hated Xanders thought process in the library because it's based more on emotion instead of logic but he tries to present it as logic. The goal should be to stop Angelus, the spell can be done at distance as soon as they get the stuff which means they don't have to wait to find him and Buffy doesn't have to be in danger. The spell is the logical choice if your goal is getting Angelus off the streets as quickly and with the least amount of danger to the group.
Yeah, but after what Angelus did, if you turn him back into Angel, are you really going to be able to stand to be in the same room as him or stand knowing that he's still alive? And honestly, even if he doesn't go back to Buffy, what if he falls in love again and reverts back to Angelus AGAIN? You'll essentially be right back to where you started. While I do agree Xander was letting his emotions get the better of him, he wasn't necessarily wrong. The best way to stop Angelus and end Angel’s suffering/give Angel some sort of peace without turning him into a homicidal psychopath is to put him down.
Also, I think there is a fan theory that Drusilla might have been a potential Slayer and that is why she had the ability to see things before they happen like Buffy does. However, Angel turned her into a Vampire preventing her from ever becoming a Slayer. Not sure if that was ever confirmed by Joss Whedon or not.
Suraj it's 2022 you can't just *say* all vampires look alike.
Excuse me, that's "undead American".
Or, Undead Irishmen in this case?
I wonder if Drusilla does her own nails or kidnaps a manicurist to do them then kills them.
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asking the important questions, or if spike does them for her
This is becoming one of my favorite reaction series on youtube.
That "someone wasn't worthy..." from Spike. Yeah. It's great.
If you think back to the very first episode, Angel was already in Sunnydale waiting for Buffy to get there. It makes a lot of sense now after seeing Angel's flashbacks.
Man, the sunlight/moon convo had me done. It's like saying someone could get sun-burnt from moonlight! Ugh no. And as someone who is actually physically allergic to the sun, I have no problem with sun light being reflected off of the moon to hurt me. Just like a vampire would have no issue.
I forget what episode it was but we actually see the pencil falling and disc in one of Buffy's prophetic dreams before this episode.
Rana: DARLA!!! That was great!
The set up for part 2 is there and now that I'm thinking of it there's a lot that goes on in part 2. It also sets up storylines for the future.
Soon, we'll hit season 3!!! Oh, man!
The funniest bit about Giles using the Orb of Thesulah as a paperweight is that when Jenny went to go buy one, the guy at the magic shop said that he usually sells them as paperweights.
The second-funniest bit is that I'm very doubtful about the usefulness of a spherical paperweight.
MVP comment "Where the F@#$ was he the whole season!" - Pat 🙏
Angelus IS being punished by the curse. All the time that ensouled Angel is in control, the demon is still in there, trapped, powerless, and hating every second of it.
Déjà vu is not something you’ve already experienced….it’s just an impression . Some say it’s because you must have dreamt about it before, so when it happens you feel like you’ve already lived it. Others say there is a more scientific explanation for it ( like your eyes see the situation a second before your brain or something like that , so it’s like you seen it twice)
I actually think Xander has a little bit of physical enhancement leftover from Go Fish. He doesn't know it, but it keeps him alive in some situations when a completely normal human would be toast.
don't forget the leftover traces of military training from that Halloween episode. its how he got the rocket launcher. it maybe helps him in avoiding big meaty vampire punches.
8:10 Yes Dru has always had the gift/curse of premonitions, even before Angelus drove her mad and turned her.
10:45
A Slayer, and potential slayers have premonitions and prophetic dreams It is one way the Watchers can recognize one of them.
Recommend doing all 2-parters back to back.
I always want the first watcher to say "Buffy Summers? Would you like to buy a Jump To Conclusions Mat?"
Becoming part 1 was a great lead into the brilliant S2 finale Becoming part 2. So much in this episode to digest. The loss of Kendra, Angel's back story being turned by Darla, and we also see Drusilla being tormented by Angelus in The Confessional. At least the floppy disk has been found, and Willow can now work her magic. We now have the climax to come, and you will not be disappointed a brilliant last episode to come. I think you can now really see how this show engrosses all reactors that enter The Buffyverse! and Guys, S3 is a near flawless Season, even better than this!
seasons 2, 3, and 4 are my faves.. special shout out to the big bad in season 5 too
@@werbinich I thought 5 was exceptional incredible arc to finale in that Season. Just a brilliant show, as was Angel
Again, Normies catch what I missed the first time, and I always say that this is the greatest tv show of all time. Angel said ‘Become.’ Good Lord. Subtle.
Part 1 = "Grrr argh."
Part 2 = "Oh... I need a hug!"
"Someone wasn't worthy..." Love Spike here. I was going to be good and not watch this until I could watch the reaction to Becoming 2 as well, but I'm weak and all about the instant gratification. Even after all these years Kendra's death still hurts so much.
I knew they would luv that scene when Angelus sent that vampire into the school to give Buffy a message.
When i watched this episode for the first time I thought Angel watching buffy for so long was creepy af LOL. Im excited for the finale!!!
Most people forget that Drusilla is a very strong vampire, she easily lift Spike's body from the church with one hand. Also, if you take the effect of Sunlight on vampires as supernatural, than conceptually Moonlight is the reverse of Sunlight for the purpose of 'light' on a supernatural level, the Yin of the Yang.
Fun Fact: A year later in 1999, a comic was released retelling Buffy‘s origin, which is more faithful to the original script than the movie was. It’s pretty good and what they do with Buffy watcher is interesting. Great episode and reaction, this is the show at its best.
As many times as I've seen this episode, I just realized in the flashback when Angel saw Buffy for the 1st time.... That was the clocktower from Back to the Future!! 😁
Fun fact: The Watcher who found Buffy in LA is the voice of Bumi from Legend of Korra.
Chris at 19:50 It's not even a real graveyard. It's patches of grass around the writer's parking lot with plaster and foam headstones set up in different configurations. The mausoleum exteriors are on wheeled bases, and you can usually see the same bit of wall and lamp post. trivia c/o my dvd commentary tracks
Mark 19:57? Before anyone from a smaller community asks, "Why wouldn't it be?", because your home town does have only one cemetery, I shall let you know that, "Sunnydale", supposedly has multiple cemeteries because of the city origins. We have multiple cemeteries too, but not because of, Spanish Colonialism, the Hellmouth, et cetera. But I digress.
Thanks to, "MeTV", showing the reruns of both, "Petticoat Junction" & "Green Acres", I still get to here the name... Oops! "Riverdale"! Not, "Sunnydale"! 😁😆
Technically and unofficially, that Buffy flashback when Angel sees her in her old HS, is the Buffy from the movie.
I gotta say ...whose not watching these discussions! They are pure gold
I’m so glad they were excited by Darla’s return. I really hope they watch Angel when it starts, and get to Fool For Love (Buffy) and Darla (Angel) in the same week…
There's a part of Angel, the show, I can't WAIT for the Normies to see. I know for a fact that Pat is gonna lose his shit! 😂
I think they were a little annoyed by the comments from Innocence reaction lol but I'm glad at least you guys are paying attention... You don't need to change the way you are but making jokes for every dramatic scene was getting weird. It's a fantasy show, the same way Marvel and house of the dragon are fantasy shows.
This episode is great and the flashbacks were amazing. Good you guys noticed Darla.
Commenting ahead to the next episode (Normies are on season 3 so nothing spoiling for them, BUT may be spoilers to people watching along) but I’ve never noticed Darla and Buffy kill Angel in the same way - a kiss and then say to him “close your eyes” before the act
Buffy's first scene is her having visions guys 😛
I swear when I watched the series the first time Buffy had a dream earlier in the season where she saw the pencil drop so the "deja vu" thing made perfect sense. Did that get cut out of the DVDs or something?
Spike is an awesome guy.
Get ready for one of the most divisive scenes in all Buffy next ep.
Armin Shimmerman is brilliant.
I think it is kind of fitting to punish Angel by restoring his soul. He's not actually a separate person; he still has the same human brain, which gives him his creativity and the memories that motivated him to target certain types of people. And the demon that drove him to be evil is still in there, also being punished.
Mark 18:59. Well, there was the whole, "Grunge", fad that I didn't understand until the, COVID-19 Pandemic Quarantine, that made those of us that stayed home, rather than try to willfully spread the disease by spite, look like grungy people.
But anyway, back then, well, as with any fad, there are those that ignore them, resist them, are oblivious to them, or can't afford them. In my family, hand-me downs, was still a practice. The elders would swap clothing that the children outgrew, sometimes leading to public shaming, by wearing girls clothes, that snap or button from the other side! Or sometimes you get to be "cool", by wearing vintage shirts, like my father's shirts that he outgrew.
While others at school dressed like, "The Brady Bunch" or "The Partridge Family", or whatever. I was dressed like I was in, "The Andy Griffith Show", and getting called, "Opie". At least in, Pauls Valley, when we lived close to so many cousins. It was when we lived in, Moore, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, or Ada, that we got new clothes and looked up to date, as there was no one around to pass along their old clothes. Whew. 😁
Edit: Oops! I went back to the 1960s. By the 1990s, with everyone grown up, the hand-me-downs supply was long gone, for us. The youngest were still having them forced on them! 😁
in a later season they explain how and why kendra and former slayers die and it's actually really sad..
6:40 "You don't wanna be surprised?"
Me, remembering the last surprise he got
Whistler works for "Good" - "our side" is just those who oppose evil. The Watchers Council is on the side of Good - though they don't always function very efficiently.
Buffy does have special dreams, sometimes . . . but she's not actually a seer like Drusilla. The moment with the floppy disk was just her being like "oh wait hold on, I just missed something " but the writers just wanted it to feel dramatic, that's my take anyway. 🤷. Looking forward to the final reaction 👍
Nearly panicked when this didn't show up in my notifications.
I don't get upset that The Normies laugh, I just hope they don't miss anything while doing so.
Most accents in the series have been criticized, but especially David Boreanaz as human Angel and Bianca Lawson as Kendra. Bianca Lawson was given a last minute change from her character originally being another nationality and her voice coach was too ambitious and wanted to do an accent from a remote region of Jamaica, while David Boreanaz just cannot do an Irish accent, but his character is written as being from Ireland.
I laughed when they couldn't recognize Drusilla.
Drusilla's always been able to see the future. It's how Angelus was warned that Jenny was trying to restore Angel's soul.
I always wondered what "deja vu" Buffy was talking about, but also assumed it was an expansion of Buffy's dreams.
I don't look at it as Angel being punished. I look at it as Angel is the punishment. Angel isn't cursed. Angelus is. Angel had his time. And he spent it chasing women and died because of it. Angel is technically only a good person because of Angelus's actions. If he didn't feel that guilt he would have been a player and alcoholic for a short life. Either way he wouldn't be "alive" in modern day times. His life is just as a curse against Angelus. It may be unfair. But it is also his second chance, as he wasn't seen as decent in life.
Xander disliking the idea of restoring Angel's soul isn't the issue I have with him in that moment. It is how he chooses to talk to people. He even starts in on Cordelia before realizing she agrees with him. I lost all respect for Xander when he said to Giles about Jenny, "Yeah, well she's dead." This line is not only rude, but shows a personality I cannot get behind whether I agree with him or not. Plus saying that line is hypocritical of defending her against death in _Passion._ If he wanted to get his point across without having an attitude and without being rude he should have followed Kendra's later example when she calmly tells Buffy, "I tend to side with your friend Xander on this one. Angel should be killed." Buffy talks to Kendra, but everyone has issues with Xander's attitude. If Xander cannot express his opinions to his friends without attacking them, they won't care what his opinions are, with this or anything else. But Buffy does care about Kendra's opinion enough to explain things to her because Kendra is respectful in her disagreement against Buffy.
Thank god they cannot get the reboot off the ground. There are so many threads outside of Buffy herself they could just expand upon, even at this point that there isn't a need for a reboot. And they don't even need to do that.
Not only was Angel stalking Buffy from the day he found out she was a slayer, but he also lied about it. He pretends he is seeing her for the first time in _Welcome to the Hellmouth._ I've seen people argue it was for a good reason, but there were other ways he could have handled it. Such as asking to fight beside Buffy. Explaining Whistler and what Whistler said. Saying he'd like to help, but doing so from the shadows (metaphorically speaking). He never even had to initially bring up being a vampire with scenarios like these. Angel just chose to continue stalking instead.
The Normies missed the vague explanation of Whistler saying he's a balancing demon.
The curse isn't about happiness. Its about feeling guilty. When he doesn't feel any guilt over Angelus' action...no soul. Enyos told Jenny that in _Innocence_ when he said, "One moment where the soul that we restored no longer plagues his thoughts, and that soul is taken from him." The Scoobies unintentionally create a situation in _Innocence_ where they have Jenny say Buffy did it. That is true. But happiness is just one of many vehicles that could create Angel not feeling guilty. And if he were to ever get his soul back, whether anyone knows it or not, it would be harder for Angel to not feel guilty even around Buffy because of Angelus' actions. But none of it matters to the characters themselves, because they all believe losing his soul is about happiness, and specifically sex with Buffy. The curse is actually all very well done, writing-wise, but many people don't catch all the nuances without multiple viewings over many years. Even I didn't for a long time.
Angel's soul isn't on the floppy disk. The curse that was lost to Jenny's people was retranslated by Jenny and she saved it onto the disk before Angelus killed her.
Y'all need to watch/react to Angel when you''re finished with Buffy. Also, the ring that Buffy was looking at is a claddagh ring, an Irish ring. She and Angel both had one and it symbolizes love, loyalty and friendship. If worn with the heart facing inwards it represents that you are in a committed relationship. My husband gave me a claddagh ring as a gift prior to to my engagement ring and wedding ring. He had one as well and is the love of my life. Saying all of this, I think I understand Buffy's heartbreak when she looked at her ring. She lost the love of her life and was grief stricken over it.
So, the curse was supposed to be ended when Angie experienced "perfect happiness" which not to be mean the Romani that cursed him, he was a mess of a man and they had no expectation that he would escape the trainwreck era. They should have absolutely thought about it and given him no chance of being happy.
Angel can find love again but if he experiences a true moment of "Perfect Happiness", it's a wrap. What a lot of people don't talk about when discussing this is that "perfect happiness" is rare and very difficult to obtain. I've long had a theory that one of the reasons he was able to reach that moment of "perfect happiness" was because he was largely oblivious to the fact that his soul could be lost if it happened. Being with Buffy in that moment allowed him to forget everything else in his life and simply love her and be loved by her but if he'd known more about his curse, he probably would have had a harder time separating his knowledge of that from just focusing on loving Buffy. Thus, his happiness while making love with her would have been slightly imperfect. Still genuine and honest, don't get me wrong, but not exactly "perfect" like the lifting of the curse requires.
For Angel now, it would be even harder for him to reach "perfect happiness" again after losing his soul this season, terrorizing everyone, and killing a bunch of people. This is because every moment of happiness he experiences after this would be overshadowed by his own sadness, guilt, fear, and/or insecurity. So, while he can find love again, he can have sex, he can even feel some measure of contentment and joy either with Buffy or with someone else...it is extremely unlikely he can naturally experience the same kind of pure, unadulterated happiness that would be considered "perfect" enough for the curse to lift again. Definitely not unless he is aided by something or some situation that allows him to either forget the nature of his curse and/or the past.
You hit the nail on the head. So sad. 😭
Mark 15:22. Funny inserts, Marketa's interesting shirt, and now that tiny note that took awhile to get the pause just right. I missed out on both, "True Blood" & "The Vampire Diaries", after having only seen samples of them on talk shows when both were new series. 😒
4:32 Did you catch that Darla tells Angel to close his eyes before she kills him just like Buffy does in the next episode?
Mark 31:30. In the movie, Kristy Swanson's, "Buffy", has prescient dreams more often. "Deja Vu", means that you just think you've done it before. There's a different term for having actually experienced a moment before, but it's a fictional concept, not a real one from, Psychology. 🤔
PS: The humor of, World War II, forcing Supernatural beings to chose sides! Even getting drafted to serve! I want to see how your group reacts to that! 😁😆
Sexy Giles computer desktop?!? My full support, Sir 😂😂 Is that really a pic of Tony Head lol?
PS: Seth Green! I was seeing his name but not his face, in one of the shows that I try to keep up with. It turns out that he replaced, Jim Gaffigan, as the voice of the, "Thunderbolt" genie in, "DC's Stargirl". I thought that I was seeing his new hairy face, but not hearing his voice, in the newer series, "Walker: Independence", the Western Genre spin-off of the, "Walker", series that "rebooted", "Walker, Texas Ranger".
By the way! Actress Mercedes McNab, has a long enough duration scene, in which she's in bondage! She's a damsel-in-distress, tied down to a chair with a bomb under it! So for most of the episode, she has to emote, but not so much so that she detonates the bomb! 😳
The thing about sunlight reflecting off the moon is magic.
Thumb Up #587! 👍 Thanks for the fun, DVR, and having more people present! 🎬✌️🖖 Namaste! 🙏🤠🤓😎😺
I'm gonna have to time-travel because waiting one week for part 2 of the reaction is gonna kill me (like it killed Kendra).
"I helped her. That one's mine."
"Yeah, well I signaled her. With my eyes."
"I understood that reference!"
@@davidmernick7360 😁
I appreciate your efforts. Thank you.
Thank you Suraj!!
Mark 5:39. Rana, are they trying to escape? Do they need calming? I've never seen a pass do her own heavy petting before, and apparently neither has the camera or editor. 🤔😁🤫🤭😎
I agree that it totally sucked to bring whatshername other slayer back for just a scene, but Mr Pointy lives on to fight another day. I highly recommend the next episode and 3.1 (also known as the episode after), they're really good.
Someone wasn't worthy.
Mark 20:17? Did you guys say, "Reaper", rather than, "Ripper"? 🤔. Or maybe even, "Reefer"? 🤔
I think Xander was 100% wrong. Angelus is an extremely dangerous opponent and the safest way to defeat him is to turn him back into ensouled Angel. It got nothing to do with forgiving him for killing Jenny. BTW, David's Irish accent was perfect. I claim that this is how Irish sounded like in the mid 1700s and I'm prepared to die on this hill.
Mark 28:24. Mute Vamps, make more sense than talking ones do. Angel, keeps on telling, Buffy, and others, that he doesn't need to breathe, while he is taking in air just talk! Spike, just to smoke! Yet, they stop short of putting cobwebs inside them, when they show us their atrophied internal organs! Supposedly a supply of fresh blood, lubricates those organs.
But still, because they treat the lore like a buffet and just chose what they like, need, or want to use, they cause some contradictions. 🙄
Mark 29:53. I'm glad that none of you improvised a, Solar LASER, by using a magnifying glass lens to burn stuff, especially poor ants. 🙏
The way Kendra gets her throat slashed and yet there's no blood on the floor...
If you're watching the HD remastered version a lot of the lighting was messed up, like colour tints for certain scenes. Sometimes the scenes look like midday lighting when it's supposed to be sunset etc. Not so much in this episode but in other future episodes. It's kind of a shame because the lighting can change the whole mood of a scene.. and some other mistakes you can straight up see the film crew at the edges from sloppy widening from 4:3 ratio. It's such a shame that they treated such a well loved show so poorly when it comes to preservation.
I would have loved if they said the ritual needed to be performed at the Hellmouth. Cos really, they should have done the ritual at Giles place to avoid a vampire attack. Drusilla is a very effective vampire. It's entirely possible she didn't know Kendra was in the library and still took out a Slayer.
If people are leaving when you have the discussions maybe they just aren't interesting. And that falls on the creator.
Tip there is a pause button.
It is him. I hate the argument that angel and Angelus are such separate beings. Keep in mind as the show goes on how vastly different he is with and without a soul
I agree. I've never bought into the whole vampire demon possession thing. Common headcanon which has some merit is that in-universe, its Watcher-Lore that vampires are demons in meatsuits, to dehumanise them, to make people feel more at ease with killing other people, especially if it was someone they knew who was turned.
Angel and Angelus are one in the same, difference is one has a conscience and feels remorse for what he has done, doubly so because a part of him enjoyed it.
The discussions are important
Mark 16:38. The hat guy! Poor actor. But anyway, I hope that this episode doesn't dissuade you from seeing the movie! So, the flashbacks began with this episode. 🤔 It's been awhile. I was thinking that it was saved for the series, "Angel". Hmm. So now they are practicing for his spin-off series so soon! 🤫🤭😆
Vampires can't be in direct sunlight. Remember when Kendra tried to kill Angel in the cage? The room was getting light and he was ok, but he was trying to keep his body out of the sunbeam from the window.
The next episode is the best of the entire series. I cannot wait to see you experience it
Season, I'll grant you. Series? It just about makes my top five. Just.
@@markrankin1094 I'm also biased because it's the first episode I ever watched. But minute 1 to minute 42 its just a nonstop rollercoaster of action, comedy and heart.
The last five minutes is probably Buffy at its best for me.
A very pivotal episode for sure. Changes everything.
@@sagaofsarahrose I also put it in Top 5 territory, but I think Becoming Pt 2 has them all beat in how it showed how this show was willing to break all the rules of what a show could be. And by the end, every major premise of the show had been removed: Buffy's in high school, she does her job slaying vampires, she keeps her life secret from her mom, etc. It must have been a huge inspiration for TV writers. Even though Innocence was a turning point, audiences still hoped for a clean resolution that involved Angel getting his soul back. Becoming Pt 2 showed that this show wasn't just going to take the easy way out and that everything that happens matters.
In the beginning Darla says "Close your eyes" to Angel and at the end of final chapter Buffy says same thing😮
Yeah im a long time buffy fan and i just realized just months ago
"Why didn't Kendra get a spinoff show?"
Haha.. ha ha... ha..... 😭