@@xavierb9061I think your missing the point of the comment. It’s not saying he shouldn’t be drawing a lot of fouls, it’s saying that it’s crazy that he’s DRAWING more fouls than hack-a-shack. That means people are somehow unintentionally fouling Embid more than they were intentionally fouling Shaq. Which is crazy because they intentionally fouled Shaq so much they came up with a name for it.
@@xavierb9061the whole game plan was to send Shaq to the line as much as physically possible, they’re trying their best to not foul embiid and he is still getting more, please explain how that makes sense in your dense head
There is no question that superstar calls exist, and I don't think anybody criticizes him purely on the fact that he gets them. And it's not just the fact that they don't work in the play-offs where he hasn't proven himself. It's mostly the amount at which he gets them, and the fact he falls everytime someone touches him. In the clips you showed of MJ and Shaq, yes those weren't fouls to call, but they also didn't over exaggerate the contact. Shaq often seems rather confused that the whistle is blown. I remember a Nuggets game where Jokic was in the paint and someone slapped him on the arms, not even close to the ball, and the ball slipped out of his hand, his first instinct was to get the ball back. Where as Embiid in those situations tosses his arms up and cries for a call.
This was always Harden's problem as well, he sells it so hard that he basically has to make it seem that he can't continue playing. When calls are tougher to come by in the playoffs then this tactic just takes you out of the play. As a Blazer fan, as much as I loved Lillard he became more like that in his career as well. His first couple seasons his fg% at the rim wasn't great because he was getting knocked around and not getting calls, then he learned to sell contact better and was rewarded for it, but there were a lot of times that came back to bite him.
true but you could say the same thing for harden. however, with harden he at least tried to create contact a lot of the time. my issue with embiid is he acts like he was just shot when he feels even the slightest bit of contact. that’s not basketball.
reality dosent lie - despite being such a 'superstar' player, he's never made it past the second round nor does he match his regular season performances in the post season@@chriscus3683
@@chriscus3683 really? There isn't a correlation with free throw merchants in the playoffs. Harden, cp3, Joel, even Trae young. All have history of playoff failure.
It's also about intention. He's 280 lbs of muscle but getting bounced around like a ragdoll every time anyone puts a finger on him? Obviously ridiculous. If he just played the game and went up strong with normal shots, he wouldn't be getting this much hate. Harden got hate because his whole style of play was with the intention of getting calls, not just playing ball, and now Embiid is doing the same. Shaq just went up strong and if they fouled him, they fouled him. Sure he got some superstar calls too, but he didn't play specifically TO get those calls. That's when you lose people's respect.
@@SirCruxful I love shaq game play. Its even crazy how Nash can even got MVP in Kobe Shaq Era. But things like that what i love about Pros Basketball. But... right now.. omg flopping around.
One of my favourite Harden fouls was someone whiffing the tip of his beard, which was waxed forward from his chin to make it easier for someone to touch. This of course caused Harden to collapse as if taking a haymaker to the nose.
The problem with Embiid is not his high FT attempts per game, it is his intention to take fouls in every single possession instead of getting buckets. He prioritizes taking a foul over everything else. Focus on his FGs. Usually, nobody is around him so there is nothing to do other than taking a free shot. Superstar calls isn't a new concept but prioritizing taking fouls at this level is a *new* concept.
That’s just not true ? “Usually, nobody is around him so there is nothing to do other than taking a free shot” That’s hyperbole, if you look at the any Embiid game he takes plenty of contested shots. Just say you don’t like Embiid.
“You better not stand too close Mike, Larry. Or you will get a foul called on you”. Magic to Bird and Jordan during their Sports Illustrated Dream team cover shoot. Those words possessed d a lot of truth in them.
I saw a breakdown of one of his "trick plays" where, if the defender gets a hand between Harden's arm and his body, _at all_ , Harden clamps him down with his left (non-shooting) elbow and then throws up any kind of shot to get the call. They ran enough examples where you could tell it was a deliberate and well-practiced "move". Also amazing was how often those foul-drawing shots he took went in. Fine player, nasty plan of attack, but he never took into account how the refs change in the playoffs. Woopsie!
Dude failed to recognize Giannis has led the league 3 out of past 4 years in free throws and Shaq, harden, Durant, Giannis, Kobe and harden all had their best years leading the league in free throw attempts Your point is invalid.
@@billbill6576 It's hard to breath in Denver due to the elevation. Good luck beating Denver at home when your entire team are gassed to the gills and their team is used to it and are still fresh. Tonight Bucks played Denver at home. Neither superstar Giannis or Dame ducked Jokic. Giannis played like his dominant self 31 pointss 11 rebounds but Dame was visably gassed in the 4th. He couldn't make a layup to save his life. Bobb Portis strugged the most he started the game shooting 0-9 from FG but Bucks defense look much improved unter Doc and they only lost by 4 points.
Refs need to be held accountable and be fined when they give horrendous calls like we made SO MUCH improvement in the sport tech industry with video refereeing, sensors, ultra 4k with slow motions enable It's impossible to miss anything. I know that referees make the game more interesting even if they can make bad calls due to human error but GOD DAMN just use the tech and everything would get better. (and of course the player should stop flopping or at least get punched by refs if they see it)
One thing that people tend to overlook is, how nobody really wants to defend players who are this eager of drawing fouls. Such players have incredible freedom of movement and often wide driving lanes or uncontested middies. Come playoff time, refs stop calling marginal contact and such players have very hard time to even convert a layup.
This also being the case in an era where it has literally never been easier to get into the paint and you have Embiid with 36 ppg… shameful from the NBA.
Exactly, Embiid is just a bigger version if Harden. They have the exact same style of play. I can't believe people are falling for it again by just looking at his stats and not watching the games. @@derekhayter4879
What annoys fans the most is not the fact that he gets so many FTA, but his intentions on any play he is in. The footage u showed about shaq or MJ getting insane FT actually tell the truth: they got more FT cause they were superstars, but didn't actively flop or trying for FT, but rather just got them, whereas Embiid (and prime JH) put they whole body in a way that's going to fool the ref and give them FT when there was no contact or reason to get them.
the problem is that basket it's a game of contact but basically all the contacts are foul, that's crazy, plus the fact that the defense can't do anything because of the politically correct and all the other things that driving the nba to a family friendly content, makes this weird scenario where there is the most offensive talent ever with the less defense ever and this it's simply boring, they need to bring back some defense.
That guy who had a “where’s embid” piece of paper is crazy. He had it ready even though Embid wasn’t on the injury report and ducked out 5 minutes before the game. They knew he was gonna duck Jokic in Denver. Pathetic
Insane. He afraid of how bad he gonna look like when placed directly next to the Joker. Dumbell Embid is gonna get exposed if he plays a game against Jokic and gets squashed. Everybody sees a man pretending to try while the other actually makes it. For real, brother. I think the NBA today is full of players who pretend to play. Too many scorers. Guys just putting up numbers to get the new contract next year. Yet they all meltdown like ice in the sun during the playoffs. CP3, Devin Booker, Joel, Ben Simmons and Harden... We all get buckets some how, but never win rings. In my humble opinion, even KD has turned into one of these players.
There is nothing to be ashamed of avoiding a game in Denver. NBA gives every player right to skip 17 games. Embiid is just being smart by using those for Denver (and some other difficult away games). Also, Embiid doesn't entirely avoid Jokic. He can play against Jokic anywhere with normal altitude.
This is what I hate about modern youtube. "Joel Embiid Caught Cheating!" And also "Is Joel Embiid cheating? No" Your content is always exceptional man, you don't need to stoop to that level of clickbait
It works once. Once my trust is betrayed by clickbait, I not only stop watching your channel, but I click "Don't recommend channel" so I never see you again. So congrats Jimmy, you got one extra view on this video, in exchange for me never watching your channel again.
@@fatherfoolie Or he's too big/violent to dispute...but nobody wants to play in his games. Also, in the park you might have somebody disputing calls who has actually stabbed people lol.
Getting superstar treatment and abusing superstar treatment are very different in the eyes of the fans. Failing in the playoffs piles up on top of that. It also doesn't help people like him when he is "injured" on all tough away games.
@@objectoriented3049 he's always injured when he has a tough away game, just like we're always told he was injured after he gets eliminated in the playoffs
Jxmy, your video journalism ability is truly incredible. Professionally I’ve worked in the commercial marketing realm for 5+ years and can honestly say your hard work and natural marketing ability truly shines through in all your stuff. Just wanted to say that. Have a good one and keep cooking bro.
Now I need a video about Luka's 73 point performance. Please make it happen, everybody else is just complaining about the defense, nobody is willing to give him his flowers.
Also, Shaq got those advantaged calls without flying all over the court like he been shot by a canon... the calls just went his way. Kobe practiced the rip through when players reached in. Embiid and Harden reach their arms out to initiate contact and flail around. Unfortunately, at 300lbs, it's a little extra silly to see Joel dive to the ground when a 180lb guard reaches in on him.
@@CollarToCollarno, we’re saying players like kobe mj shaq or even modern players like bron and steph still are making basketball plays, not flailing around prioritizing FTs over FGs
The difference between the shaq and embiid career high is that shaq attempted 24 free throws when opposing teams wanted him on the line. Embiid made 21 free throws when no opponent wants him on the line.
Yes but what people also don't realize especially if you don't watch the sixers is he actually does get fouled all the time, the issue is he's elite at the midrange so you can't just leave him alone but he's also 7ft so he will just shoot over you, you have to be somewhat physical to really have an affect on him and plus he is a master at dropping the ball low and as soon as a player reaches in boom he goes to shoot. Like it or not it's not embiids fault it's the "modern" nba
Not surprised the Warriors live behind the three-point line. How often do you see foul calls get called theirs while Joel lives in the paint and the mid rang game and constantly gets tripled team. Using ur brain shouldn’t be this hard for u right?🧠🤦🏻♂️😞☠️smh
@@chandler4rittenhouse you right but you still comparing 1 man to and entire team, saying they live behind the free throw line only works if you compare teams against teams.
@@chandler4rittenhouse that "living behind the 3-point line" bs works when you're comparing fta between players or a single game, not a player vs qn entire team during a freaking regular season lol Get those cameroonian balls out of your mouth or you're gonna choke!
could you please make a video about maybe top 5 best shooters of all time or just a video about shooting where maybe if it makes sense and you would consider having kyle korver in the video too and maybe a debate about how in some aspects someone is better than steph at shooting again in some small aspects tho
The first clip you showed actually IS a foul, but on Embiid. He hooks the defender's arm at the very start of the clip. That's an offensive foul. That's right, it's even worse.
That's what I thought. I was super confused when he said it wasn't a foul. It took me the other two to realize he was only talking about defensive fouls.
Not sure AI should be in the same conversation as Harden and Embiid concerning “falling flat.” Harden and Embiid have had plenty of help while AI had 34yo Dikembe and Eric Snow
Video request: what are the real differences between regular season and playoff officiating? Is that the main thing that contributes to guys like Harden and Embiid failing?
I’d say it’s a mix of more physicality allowed PLUS the other team learning how to avoid fouls. If your tactic revolves around calls, the other team can usually figure out a new game plan after 1-2 games. It’s the studying of the other teams that makes playoffs another level of play
I think a part of it is, refs don't want to make too many of those phantom "superstar" calls and then have to face questions and the next game is between the same 2 teams, and the game after that. It's too easy for a refs' name to become part of the story, and nobody wants that.
I think one of the reasons why people care more if Embiid gets favorable calls is because he goes out of his way to get those calls. Jordan and Shaq knew they get favorable calls but didn't go out of their way to abuse them the same way Embiid/Harden do. Even though MJ and Shaq both knew they would get better calls if they did but they didn't .But Embiid and Harden are fully aware that they get favorable calls and go out of their way to abuse them.
Good point. And at least w/ Harden, you could see some of the things he pulled were clearly well-conceived and rigorously practiced. I ended up almost respecting him, because it wasn't just wild flopping and flailing and complaining. Well, not all of it, anyway, and they took away a couple of those moves. Embiid? Flopping and flailing and complaining. Can't stand the guy.
@@Trollificusv2lets not forget that harden would have won in 2019 if it wasnt for cp3 injury or his team missing 27 straight threes, only guy to take the fucking golden state avengers to a game 7, embiid would never
That’s worse, it mean that MJ or Shaq were heavily favored, because if i was the ref i would call a lot of these fouls he showed on Embiid or Harden because there is an actual contact, even if it’s initiated by them, if you are the ref and don’t have the same point of view as us watching from TV it can be hard to tell, but the fouls on MJ and Shaq we saw on the clip ? There is no contact, or little to no contact you can see it from a mile away, so who’s worse, for me its MJ especially, that guy got so many calls for nothing but when Lebron get assaulted by 3 people in the paint and still find a way to score they call him soft 😂😂😂
@@Anthonydu01630 Some of it isn't just the refs like those players but those players like MJ and Shaq built up reputations on being unstoppable once they got into the paint and teams put up very real strategies of we're going to hit them hard/intentionally foul to disrupt them. I think that put a general mindset into the refs of playing it safe rather than sorry by always giving those players the benefit of a doubt. As in Jordan went up and the shot was way off mark. Well then it had to be a foul. I don't think that is necessarily worse then superstars going out of their way to get foul calls because at least there is logical reasoning that leads to the ref giving them the benefit of a doubt. Also don't get me wrong there were times where you could see Shaq and Jordan play up some contact to get a foul call as well. Also LeBron is a terrible example to use because he gets tons of superstar calls as well and is also known to go chasing calls similar to Harden.
one thing is "superstar calls" and the other is being the tallest and heviest player on the floor every night and fly 3 meters away and land ridicoulously every time someone is near you
Yo Jxmy this video about Embid, Marques Brownlee is watching it to demo TH-cam media consumption on Apple Vision Pro in his video titled “Using Apple Vision Pro: What It’s Actually Like”. Thought that was awesome, also love your videos man. Minute mark: 20:36.
I think personally if the rules don't get stricter someone's going to drop a 100 point game like we are getting 70 points game so often with guys like Luka and Embid.
This is why I like Jxmy’s videos. He can accept and give valid criticisms about the current era, while also addressing those same issues from the older eras to show that these aren’t new concepts 😂
Yes, this isn't a new concept and specific to Embiid. But what makes Embiid special is that he takes fake fouls in the ugliest way possible. He is so used to flop that sometimes he falls down when his teammates contact and still expects a foul call. Joker and Giannis are also superstars. They also have advantage with no-calls and phantom calls. But the way they play doesn't look ugly as Embiid's. So it's not like this is a very common thing among superstars. Embiid does it in an extreme level that disturbs the average NBA fan.
I like Jxmy's video too but this one he is very selective. Comparing selectively Embiid to MJ or Shaq, the most dominant players of their own era, in the matches that matters. Like others pointed out Joker is actually the performer coming play off time, and the treatment he received from refs comparing to Embiid is night and day. What did Embiid do so we compare him to MJ or Shaq in the first place? Yet he receives much more favoured calls, for a player who always chokes in the playeoffs. People dont see this being a fair treatment thats why people dont like him. He is a great scorer, but until he does something meaningful in the playoffs, he is very much a scoring meme at this point.
@@fanfan9748 One theory is the following. Refs give favored calls to Embiid in purpose only to make fun of him in the playoffs where refs suddenly become fair again. Embiid is the player with the largest discrepancy between regular and post season performance. It's not even close. Even a championship ring + a FMVP won't fix this perception easily. He has to dominate in the same way that Jokic dominated last year (with better stats than regular season).
Dude failed to recognize Giannis has led the league 3 out of past 4 years in free throws and Shaq, harden, Durant, Giannis, Kobe and harden all had their best years leading the league in free throw attempts Your point is invalid.
Watching players work to draw fouls isn't fun when they are good at it but it's even worse when players suck at it and try anyway like flailing their arms in the air after they turn the ball over or falling over on their own. A couple of games ago Kawhi got a great steal and ran the court for an unopposed dunk and then yelled "AND ONE" and stared at the ref on the baseline with his arms out while he ran back because he does that on every drive. It's drilled into him now. The worst though is the hold the ball in 2 hands and wave your elbows around and hit guys in the face and chest and if it's a Spur or some other young player they call the foul on them. You could put a mannequin out there and if the offensive player held the ball and elbowed it in the face the refs would call a foul on the inanimate object instead of the player initiating the contact.
The NBA literally punishes teams for playing any kind of defense. Defense isn't weak in today's game, the rules just don't allow teams to play effective defense because even the slightest bit of contact regardless of who initiates contact will be called a foul. You know it's bad when players just drive to the hoop not even looking for the layup and purposefully wraps their arms around the defensive player and get awarded two free throws
One thing you did not mention when comparing to the past was that Jordan and Shaq did not have any unnatural movements to try to get extra calls, and they weren’t getting 11 FTs a game, Embiid and Harden try so hard to draw fouls that they literally had to change the rules so it wouldn’t break the game
I think whats more interesting is the stars that dont get a favorable/superstar whistle, likely because it would break the game. More often than not, Jokic and Curry leave the game battered and bruised, with few trips to the line. Imagine Curry going to the line 8-10 times a game every year.
I honestly think the other reason we're hard on Embiid is because we have another superstar that gets about half the calls Embiid does, but drops similar numbers each night, and now has proven it in the post season. We compare him with Jokic. And I think that's fair.
@@udishomer5852 SGA is getting tons of calls as well. The guy is sometimes shooting more FT than FG. Last year SGA had 10.9 TF per game. This year 9 FT per game, but in last 6 games he averaged almost 15 FT per game. Crazy.
Luka basically the real leading scorer in the NBA by far and he was last year aswell. Embiid averaging like 4 free throws more+ Luka taking out of this world harder shots while being the most double teamed per possesion player by far and still averaging 4 more assists than Embiid. Yeah Luka averages a bit more minutes than Embiid, but let's be real..Embiid doesnt even play back to back games. Imagine him playing back to back games 40+ minutes
I think the biggest difference between the players you showed is the way they get those easy calls. Yes Michael and Shaq were favoured by the refs as well, but they were not hunting cheap fouls like Harden and Embiid
That’s worse, it mean that MJ or Shaq were heavily favored, because if i was the ref i would call a lot of these fouls he showed on Embiid or Harden because there is an actual contact, even if it’s initiated by them, if you are the ref and don’t have the same point of view as us watching from TV it can be hard to tell, but the fouls on MJ and Shaq we saw on the clip ? There is no contact, or little to no contact you can see it from a mile away, so who’s worse, for me its MJ especially, that guy got so many calls for nothing but when Lebron get assaulted by 3 people in the paint and still find a way to score they call him soft 😂😂😂
@@Anthonydu01630 Some of it isn't just the refs like those players but those players like MJ and Shaq built up reputations on being unstoppable once they got into the paint and teams put up very real strategies of we're going to hit them hard/intentionally foul to disrupt them. I think that put a general mindset into the refs of playing it safe rather than sorry by always giving those players the benefit of a doubt. As in Jordan went up and the shot was way off mark. Well then it had to be a foul. I don't think that is necessarily worse then superstars going out of their way to get foul calls because at least there is logical reasoning that leads to the ref giving them the benefit of a doubt. Also don't get me wrong there were times where you could see Shaq and Jordan play up some contact to get a foul call as well. Also LeBron is a terrible example to use because he gets tons of superstar calls as well and is also known to go chasing calls similar to Harden.
@@insidejah9293 I mean MJ did get favorable calls. There is no doubt about it. That being said part of the history of that is because there was a real league strategy of intentionally fouling Jordan every time he made it to the paint. This made refs almost always lean towards giving Jordan the foul call. Don't get me wrong there were times Jordan played up contact, especially in his later years, to get the foul call but there is history on why Jordan got the calls he did.
Wait, wait , wait...Allen Iverson absolutely did not disappear in the playoffs. Go back and rewatch the games, he was, year after year for about five years, the most exciting player to watch, with absolutely the most heart you could ask for. He had very little help, and his teammates would disappear, production wise. Year after year, the only reason Philly was anywhere near the playoffs was him, and he was the only reason to watch his team. And his playoff averages were pretty damn good. Also, single handedly (almost, nod to Deke) stopped the Lakers from sweeping the playoffs in 2001. Seriously, find some of his old playoff games and watch...he was fucking amazing.
Yeah, okay, superstar calls and what not. Why does Jokic not get the same calls then? Why is it that one time he actually did get a lot of free throws, the opposing team's coach went mad, and people went mad and called him a flopper?
@@joelemsexy true, nobody says he should get EXACTLY the same amount of calls / FTs. But it's sometimes ridiculous when he doesn't get calls. Gotta be objective here
@@joelemsexy Not nearly as aggressive ..what are you talking about he leads the league with points in paint xD holy crap ...where did you put your brain ...
They are untouchable (as a whole not as individuals) as they can alter outcomes for gambling platforms. Money always dominates. They will continue to be protected and there’s seemingly nothing that can be done about it. It’s hurting the sport far worse than anything else.
@@willweaver5541players suffer by being kicked out of the league. You get punished for poor work performance. Simple. But I think it's too blunt an instrument. We'd soon have no refs if they were fined for every single mistake they make.
The man has perfected "dont hate the player, hate the game" motto. NBAs gotta crack down and find a middle ground. Fouls are a part of the game. There has to be a middle ground between the 80s literal violent assault "fouls" and whatever Embiid is getting.
The NBA do that every year, "We have new rules against flopping." But if they enforce it at all, its just for the start of the season and then they stop GAF.
I think if the league just enforced tighter carrying and traveling calls it would do a lot to change this. Right now defenders have a hard time keeping up with players being able to essentially duck and dive and quick step in 360 degrees of direction that it leads to a lot incidental contact from a defender that has to always be recovering. Of course that will lead to more stoppages and less offense and I'm not sure the league wants that.
exactly this. I would not have an issue with Embiid if Jokic got the same bs calls all the time, but Jokic has to get murdered to get to the line. Its insane.
1. European 2. Doesn't "play the game" outside the court (media shit) 3. Not flashy, just good basketball 4. Being one of the best while looking like he is half awake makes other superstars and entire league look like a joke.
But Jimmy, does him not being the first to get preferential treatment and more foul calls, make it fine?? No. And that's the point, it's not only unfair, but not fun to watch, specially as a fan on the opposite team, or a basketball fan overall. Should we just say it's okay because he's a superstar and that's it? Smh
13:00 Come on AI does not deserve this slander. He took the Sixers without a second star to the finals against a stacked Lakers team and still managed to win a game. Harden and Embid have never come close to that. EDIT: For those bringing up Harden in 2018, I said: "without a second star". Harden had CP3 until game 6. Who was the Sixers' second-best? Exactly. You don't know unless you search it up.
Can someone explain to me how Lukas stats right now are easily 3rd debatable 2-1 best performances but he’s #5 in the mvp race right now. Does record really have that much poll?
Love luka more than anyone. I'm slovenian. Luka is not an mvp. He's far from mvp. His team is shit and he can't lead. Luka winning mvp would be a disgrace for the league
Would be interesting to see a scatter plot with (x1) possession (seconds with ball, shot attempts, dribbles, fouls committed), and (x2) chance of being fouled (based on ‘star status’). The variable ‘star status’ should be obtained through a national survey (at least 50 NBA fan responses from each state), haven’t considered what variables would make up ‘star status’ yet. To obtain this number, divide ‘star status’ by the average number of fouls against the respective player in the last 2 minutes of reviewed games. Then you could compare this to how many times they’re fouled and how much how much possession they had before the L2M review. Would love to see this for superstars and non-superstars, maybe they’re ‘fouled’ more cuz they’re doing more 🤷
Putting AI in the same category as foul merchants is disrespectful on a whole other level. He actually went against the kobe shaq lakers and was still a menace. Sure he didn’t win a title but neither did any other superstar back in 2000-2002
@@masonwelsh9718 Thought it was odd too, even James Harden can make the case he got stopped by the Warriors every year like DeMar and the Raptors got stopped by LeBron like everyone else. The Sixers been getting stopped by the Heat lol, not the same.
He forgot to talk about how embiid this year has been ducking against all the teams with a winning record. He plays all the bad teams and has only played half the games against teams over 500.
@@THECRAZYGUITARBOYwell duh he leads the league in points and gets fraudulent free throws ofc he’s gonna lead the league against teams +.500 in the like 6 games he’s played against them
Joker has never posted above 26 PPG for a season, Embiid and Giannis have both posted above 30 every season since the 2020-2021 season. You don't have to be a basketball fan to understand basic math. Two of those players are their number one scoring options, the other is a playmaking genius. Why are we even comparing their games other than the fact that their both 7 footers? This culture of hyper ignorant modern nba fans is weak as fuck lol
@@ingry Ironic because what you just said is incorrect. Jokic has averaged over 26 PPG twice in his career, in 2021 and 2022. He’s been the top scorer on the nuggets every season since 2018. Just because Jokic is the best playmaker on the team, doesn’t mean he isn’t their best scorer either. He’s both and has been for a long time. You didn’t explain why he doesn’t get more free throws and that’s because his play style is different. Also, their games are compared all the time lol did you just start watching the NBA? It’s funny how you say this culture of NBA fans is hyper ignorant and yet you sound like the ignorant one here 😂
great video.....sacridge that you put AI into the same group as harden and Embiid.....AI got his team to the NBA finals, a better comparison would be someone like Vince Carter who despite playing 20 years got only to the conf finals i think...
@@MoltenNineI mean if phantom calls get called on whoever is guarding you and he gets on foul trouble of course the defense isn’t gonna be as tight, even getting rid of ft points doesn’t rid Embiid of the accusations lmao
This was a great video… my only addition would be that the data showing super stars get more incorrect calls going their way in the last two minutes would definitely be skewed because the sample size of non star players shooting or handling the ball in key moments during the last two minutes of a game is extremely small compared to superstars
If you read the article, you see that the difference isn’t actually all that big. 20% isn’t a huge number, and the raw data numbers look a bit more natural
The 20% is based on actual bad calls, not the number of attempts. It's irrelevant how many are taken. The data is infallible. 5% would be a lot, 20% is mind-blowing.
Allen Iverson? That dude won a Finals game by himself against the prime Kobe-Shaq Lakers (with the iconic step over on Tyronn Lue). No way is he in the same conversation as Harden and Embiid.
Same reason Curry doesn’t. NBA doesn’t want them overshadowing their preferred narratives ahead of the new TV deal/negotiations. Watch the refereeing get somewhat more consistent after that’s locked in & there’s no risk to letting parity determine who makes the playoffs. Edit: They’re still gonna have the ref gambling allegations to contend with though.
It’s not because Embiid’s cheating. It isn’t because of the MVP award, It’s his inability to perform the way he performs IN THE PLAYOFFS, WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERS!! That’s what people have rightfully been holding against him.
Joel Embiid's Playoff Injury History: 2023 (Knee Sprain), 2022 (Orbital fracture, concussion, torn thumb ligament), 2021 (Torn meniscus), 2019 (Knee tendinitis), 2018 (Orbital fracture, concussion). Has missed 7 of 54 playoff games in his career.May 1, 2023
That on top of his inability to Take accountability. When he dropped 17 on terrible shooting in an elimination game and then blammed his teammates for his shitty performance I knew he was a fraud.
My biggest problem with Embiid’s success is that Jokic doesn't get those calls so it's not a fair playing field. Go look at Jokic’s arms. He's getting mauled every night. Embiid is fantastic but I can't fairly compared the two best players because one is flopping his way to gaudy numbers.
1. The way Joel Embiid's moves, or style of play, is how he draws fouls. He has a "sloppy, random, jerky" style of play. You pick up more "soft/incidental" content in the paint. Or, it looks like he draws contact when there is none. 2. Then in the playoffs, the way the refs call fouls changes. They don't call as many "soft, incidental, or light fouls". This is why Joel Embiid doesn't score as much getting to the line, and can't get momentum scoring.
11:06 just coming here to say that there is a difference between relative and absolute. There were a 20% relative increase, but the absolute difference was 0.96%
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Still why I think Jamal Murray’s 50 points in Cleveland without a free throw is one of the most impressive games ever
Amen.
Preach
That's amazing
Big facts
not many people know that as well, super slept on performance
Embiid "drawing" more fouls than hack-a-shack is straight CRAZY.
The 7ft guy with handles weighing 290 and can shoot from 3 and drive, probably going to be hard to stop without fouling. Lol these casuals.
I believe this was when the leagues pace was at its slowest.
@@xavierb9061you watch first 30 seconds of the video and still comment this. Brain empty
@@xavierb9061I think your missing the point of the comment. It’s not saying he shouldn’t be drawing a lot of fouls, it’s saying that it’s crazy that he’s DRAWING more fouls than hack-a-shack.
That means people are somehow unintentionally fouling Embid more than they were intentionally fouling Shaq. Which is crazy because they intentionally fouled Shaq so much they came up with a name for it.
@@xavierb9061the whole game plan was to send Shaq to the line as much as physically possible, they’re trying their best to not foul embiid and he is still getting more, please explain how that makes sense in your dense head
There is no question that superstar calls exist, and I don't think anybody criticizes him purely on the fact that he gets them. And it's not just the fact that they don't work in the play-offs where he hasn't proven himself. It's mostly the amount at which he gets them, and the fact he falls everytime someone touches him. In the clips you showed of MJ and Shaq, yes those weren't fouls to call, but they also didn't over exaggerate the contact. Shaq often seems rather confused that the whistle is blown. I remember a Nuggets game where Jokic was in the paint and someone slapped him on the arms, not even close to the ball, and the ball slipped out of his hand, his first instinct was to get the ball back. Where as Embiid in those situations tosses his arms up and cries for a call.
Jokić & Embiid are turning into a really fascinating case of contrast
Facts
This was always Harden's problem as well, he sells it so hard that he basically has to make it seem that he can't continue playing. When calls are tougher to come by in the playoffs then this tactic just takes you out of the play. As a Blazer fan, as much as I loved Lillard he became more like that in his career as well. His first couple seasons his fg% at the rim wasn't great because he was getting knocked around and not getting calls, then he learned to sell contact better and was rewarded for it, but there were a lot of times that came back to bite him.
BRO THIS CURRY AINT EVEN GETTING CALLS IN MEMPHIS IF IT WAS EMBID HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A FLAGRANT
Karma exist too
It is now more important to look like you’re getting fouled, versus actually getting fouled.
Told some kids while coaching YMCA bball not to reach because the sight of foul gets called. If it looks like a foul...
it has been like that for a while actually
@@jasonroyyoungthat’s sad because now the new gen will essentially not care about being great defensively I blame the refs and the league
The problem with embiid for me is on a chunk of the calls he gets he’s not even really looking to score when he gets fouled he’s just chucking it up
To be fair, that's everyone. Embiid just gets foul calls more, so people see it more
true but you could say the same thing for harden. however, with harden he at least tried to create contact a lot of the time. my issue with embiid is he acts like he was just shot when he feels even the slightest bit of contact. that’s not basketball.
Then just like Harden, playoffs come around and he wonders why he's not getting gifted trips to the line.
my biggest problem is people who comment on these videos and dont even watch them.....
It’s like you’ve never watched basketball before lol
Fun fact Embiid has never averaged over 23 PPG on seasons where he didn’t lead or have the second most amount of free throw attempts
well that explains somethin.
fun fact jokic is a slob who is washed
you gotta do what you gotta do
Floppers be flopping
@@dfallen4ngel 🤓
I can't wait for the playoffs when the phantom foul calls dry up and Embiid flames out in the 2nd round again. It's gonna be great to watch.
This narrative doesn’t even make sense considering he averaged 9.3 free throws per game in last years playoffs
@@DrewBob_you gotta ignore these people , it’s always the casuals that think they know what they’re talking about
reality dosent lie - despite being such a 'superstar' player, he's never made it past the second round nor does he match his regular season performances in the post season@@chriscus3683
@@chriscus3683 really? There isn't a correlation with free throw merchants in the playoffs. Harden, cp3, Joel, even Trae young. All have history of playoff failure.
@@BreadstickJesse Embiid averages about the same amount of free throws per game in the playoffs
TH-cam put the ad at exactly the right moment. "Referees tend to swallow"
**commercial break**
"Their whistles"
It's also about intention. He's 280 lbs of muscle but getting bounced around like a ragdoll every time anyone puts a finger on him? Obviously ridiculous. If he just played the game and went up strong with normal shots, he wouldn't be getting this much hate. Harden got hate because his whole style of play was with the intention of getting calls, not just playing ball, and now Embiid is doing the same. Shaq just went up strong and if they fouled him, they fouled him. Sure he got some superstar calls too, but he didn't play specifically TO get those calls. That's when you lose people's respect.
This.
shaq also would elbow the shit out of defenders
I'm sure he loses sleep at night after losing your respect 😢 go lose your virginity
@@SirCruxful I love shaq game play. Its even crazy how Nash can even got MVP in Kobe Shaq Era.
But things like that what i love about Pros Basketball. But... right now.. omg flopping around.
One of my favourite Harden fouls was someone whiffing the tip of his beard, which was waxed forward from his chin to make it easier for someone to touch. This of course caused Harden to collapse as if taking a haymaker to the nose.
The problem with Embiid is not his high FT attempts per game, it is his intention to take fouls in every single possession instead of getting buckets. He prioritizes taking a foul over everything else. Focus on his FGs. Usually, nobody is around him so there is nothing to do other than taking a free shot. Superstar calls isn't a new concept but prioritizing taking fouls at this level is a *new* concept.
Playing the foul, not the game. Its an epidemic in the modern league.
The problem is that in the playoffs they don't call those same fouls which just makes it even more infuriating, because we know they can do better.
That’s just not true ? “Usually, nobody is around him so there is nothing to do other than taking a free shot” That’s hyperbole, if you look at the any Embiid game he takes plenty of contested shots. Just say you don’t like Embiid.
Bruh even without his FTs he would have scored 50. You diss a guy with his capabilities? Why?
@@aznbond3279 Yes, it means he failed to take a foul and got an intentional basket instead.
“You better not stand too close Mike, Larry. Or you will get a foul called on you”. Magic to Bird and Jordan during their Sports Illustrated Dream team cover shoot. Those words possessed d a lot of truth in them.
The Harden clips you chose had me dying lmfao. Him drawing fouls is hilarious lmao.
That head snap of his looks ridiculous, like he's having a mini seizure on the court flicking his beard up to the ceiling lmao
I saw a breakdown of one of his "trick plays" where, if the defender gets a hand between Harden's arm and his body, _at all_ , Harden clamps him down with his left (non-shooting) elbow and then throws up any kind of shot to get the call. They ran enough examples where you could tell it was a deliberate and well-practiced "move". Also amazing was how often those foul-drawing shots he took went in.
Fine player, nasty plan of attack, but he never took into account how the refs change in the playoffs. Woopsie!
5:19 this layup was the funniest thing ever. Bro ran up, elbowed a man, and just chucked a the ball lmaoooo
Lmao didn't even notice it 🤣
That looks like every lbj highlight to be fair
and then proceeds to drop to the floor
Draymond got suspended for something similar while Embiid gets 2 FTs
Dude failed to recognize Giannis has led the league 3 out of past 4 years in free throws and Shaq, harden, Durant, Giannis, Kobe and harden all had their best years leading the league in free throw attempts
Your point is invalid.
Embiid not playing a game in Denver since November 2018 is actually wild
2019
@@milanradojkovic3818still a long ass time
2019, but yes... 5 years!? Insanely coincidental!?
Afraid of the joker
@@billbill6576 It's hard to breath in Denver due to the elevation. Good luck beating Denver at home when your entire team are gassed to the gills and their team is used to it and are still fresh. Tonight Bucks played Denver at home. Neither superstar Giannis or Dame ducked Jokic. Giannis played like his dominant self 31 pointss 11 rebounds but Dame was visably gassed in the 4th. He couldn't make a layup to save his life. Bobb Portis strugged the most he started the game shooting 0-9 from FG but Bucks defense look much improved unter Doc and they only lost by 4 points.
Refs need to be held accountable and be fined when they give horrendous calls like we made SO MUCH improvement in the sport tech industry with video refereeing, sensors, ultra 4k with slow motions enable It's impossible to miss anything.
I know that referees make the game more interesting even if they can make bad calls due to human error but GOD DAMN just use the tech and everything would get better. (and of course the player should stop flopping or at least get punched by refs if they see it)
Love your content bro keep up the great videos. Looking forward to the Knicks homage I been waiting years for, this team is special.
One thing that people tend to overlook is, how nobody really wants to defend players who are this eager of drawing fouls. Such players have incredible freedom of movement and often wide driving lanes or uncontested middies. Come playoff time, refs stop calling marginal contact and such players have very hard time to even convert a layup.
good cause fk embid and his bum ass style of play.
This also being the case in an era where it has literally never been easier to get into the paint and you have Embiid with 36 ppg… shameful from the NBA.
Is my music fire?..
That's why players like James Harden and Embiid suck in the playoffs. Refs don't blow their whistles
Exactly, Embiid is just a bigger version if Harden. They have the exact same style of play. I can't believe people are falling for it again by just looking at his stats and not watching the games. @@derekhayter4879
What annoys fans the most is not the fact that he gets so many FTA, but his intentions on any play he is in. The footage u showed about shaq or MJ getting insane FT actually tell the truth: they got more FT cause they were superstars, but didn't actively flop or trying for FT, but rather just got them, whereas Embiid (and prime JH) put they whole body in a way that's going to fool the ref and give them FT when there was no contact or reason to get them.
And Shaq didn't even get calls for every time he was hacked. If he had, opposing teams would have had three big men foul out every game.
why you acting like lebron, steph, dame, sga, and so many other superstars dont do the same
@@afrojacker9because they weren't in the video lmao
the problem is that basket it's a game of contact but basically all the contacts are foul, that's crazy, plus the fact that the defense can't do anything because of the politically correct and all the other things that driving the nba to a family friendly content, makes this weird scenario where there is the most offensive talent ever with the less defense ever and this it's simply boring, they need to bring back some defense.
Facts
Secret dirt on Adam Silver is my favorite theory
It will be very interesting to watch Joel Embiid play for team USA in the 2024 Olympic Games with Fiba rules and no given “superstar” calls
You can already see that happening in the playoffs. It's just gonna get worse playing in FIBA rules.
That guy who had a “where’s embid” piece of paper is crazy. He had it ready even though Embid wasn’t on the injury report and ducked out 5 minutes before the game. They knew he was gonna duck Jokic in Denver. Pathetic
😂 🎯
Insane. He afraid of how bad he gonna look like when placed directly next to the Joker. Dumbell Embid is gonna get exposed if he plays a game against Jokic and gets squashed. Everybody sees a man pretending to try while the other actually makes it. For real, brother. I think the NBA today is full of players who pretend to play. Too many scorers. Guys just putting up numbers to get the new contract next year. Yet they all meltdown like ice in the sun during the playoffs. CP3, Devin Booker, Joel, Ben Simmons and Harden... We all get buckets some how, but never win rings. In my humble opinion, even KD has turned into one of these players.
There is nothing to be ashamed of avoiding a game in Denver. NBA gives every player right to skip 17 games. Embiid is just being smart by using those for Denver (and some other difficult away games). Also, Embiid doesn't entirely avoid Jokic. He can play against Jokic anywhere with normal altitude.
Maybe, other superstars (e.g., Giannis today) should also avoid their game in Denver.
@@berryesseen you're 'smart' when leaving your team in the lurch in tough away-games?
This is why I like Jokic. When a guy only averages 6 FTA per game, he won’t be impacted by less calls in the postseason.
Plus he's white. lol
@@KingRashford10what does that have to do with anything
A shot by Jokic is the NBA competition committee’s example of flopping.
@@mghJD Jokic is not a ft merchant, cry
@@johon127 Most of his fanbase are white people plus the fact most NBA fans are from the white demographic as well.
This is what I hate about modern youtube.
"Joel Embiid Caught Cheating!"
And also "Is Joel Embiid cheating? No"
Your content is always exceptional man, you don't need to stoop to that level of clickbait
Totally agree
Well it works Becoz I was not gonna Watch this Vid but then I saw the title and did 😭
It works once. Once my trust is betrayed by clickbait, I not only stop watching your channel, but I click "Don't recommend channel" so I never see you again.
So congrats Jimmy, you got one extra view on this video, in exchange for me never watching your channel again.
I watched Embid play live at OKC earlier this season and the fake foul calls were so obvious, I was legitimately shocked at what I saw.
Yea they actually were fouls too. Can't hand check or interfere with a players shooting motion.
Fire broski helped me a lot always love when you post your extremely really inspiring
I legit think our 2on2 Games in the park are closer to the actual rulebook than the NBA.
I mean embiid plays like the dude who’s constantly calling foul and no one cares enough to say anything
@@fatherfoolie Or he's too big/violent to dispute...but nobody wants to play in his games. Also, in the park you might have somebody disputing calls who has actually stabbed people lol.
Getting superstar treatment and abusing superstar treatment are very different in the eyes of the fans. Failing in the playoffs piles up on top of that.
It also doesn't help people like him when he is "injured" on all tough away games.
CRY CRY CRY CRY CRY
He is injured though...
@@objectoriented3049 he's always injured when he has a tough away game, just like we're always told he was injured after he gets eliminated in the playoffs
played on a sprained mcl what’s the quotations bud
Jxmy, your video journalism ability is truly incredible. Professionally I’ve worked in the commercial marketing realm for 5+ years and can honestly say your hard work and natural marketing ability truly shines through in all your stuff. Just wanted to say that. Have a good one and keep cooking bro.
Mkbhd plugged your video on his Apple headset review…dope
Now I need a video about Luka's 73 point performance. Please make it happen, everybody else is just complaining about the defense, nobody is willing to give him his flowers.
He is on it im sure
He had a 45/9/15 last night in a comeback he's my mvp
luka had the 2nd best game score rating ever, he has to do a video.
was dissapointed when i saw this video tbh, wanted another Luka video
Shit was lame asf and bogus! The league is soft asf face it. Enjoy watching these watered down ass games! It’s a disgrace
Also, Shaq got those advantaged calls without flying all over the court like he been shot by a canon... the calls just went his way. Kobe practiced the rip through when players reached in. Embiid and Harden reach their arms out to initiate contact and flail around. Unfortunately, at 300lbs, it's a little extra silly to see Joel dive to the ground when a 180lb guard reaches in on him.
Refs were on la and Miami's payroll
So ur saying kobe was allowed to do it because he practiced baiting fauls but embiid isn’t allowed to do the same thing just because hes a center?
@@antdoge29they have always been on LA and recent laker games show that they are still the golden child
@@CollarToCollarno, we’re saying players like kobe mj shaq or even modern players like bron and steph still are making basketball plays, not flailing around prioritizing FTs over FGs
@@CollarToCollarKobe did it because players would genuinely have to foul him so he practiced to make sure he got the calls, embiid they aren’t
Love your videos. Apparently Marques Brownlee does too, he showed your video in his new Apple vision pro video!
The difference between the shaq and embiid career high is that shaq attempted 24 free throws when opposing teams wanted him on the line. Embiid made 21 free throws when no opponent wants him on the line.
Great point
That is, basically, mentioned and explained in the video
Yes but what people also don't realize especially if you don't watch the sixers is he actually does get fouled all the time, the issue is he's elite at the midrange so you can't just leave him alone but he's also 7ft so he will just shoot over you, you have to be somewhat physical to really have an affect on him and plus he is a master at dropping the ball low and as soon as a player reaches in boom he goes to shoot. Like it or not it's not embiids fault it's the "modern" nba
Bro has more ft attempts per game then the WHOLE Warriors team LMAOOO
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Not surprised the Warriors live behind the three-point line. How often do you see foul calls get called theirs while Joel lives in the paint and the mid rang game and constantly gets tripled team. Using ur brain shouldn’t be this hard for u right?🧠🤦🏻♂️😞☠️smh
@@chandler4rittenhouse you right but you still comparing 1 man to and entire team, saying they live behind the free throw line only works if you compare teams against teams.
@@chandler4rittenhouse that "living behind the 3-point line" bs works when you're comparing fta between players or a single game, not a player vs qn entire team during a freaking regular season lol
Get those cameroonian balls out of your mouth or you're gonna choke!
@@chandler4rittenhouseeven then one player beating a team in free throw attempts is stupid
You are a brilliant analyst man! How are you able to get so deep into these analysis with facts data to back it up? Impressive take and argument 👏
could you please make a video about maybe top 5 best shooters of all time or just a video about shooting where maybe if it makes sense and you would consider having kyle korver in the video too and maybe a debate about how in some aspects someone is better than steph at shooting again in some small aspects tho
The first clip you showed actually IS a foul, but on Embiid. He hooks the defender's arm at the very start of the clip. That's an offensive foul. That's right, it's even worse.
That's what I thought. I was super confused when he said it wasn't a foul. It took me the other two to realize he was only talking about defensive fouls.
@@wesleyking6713so was the 2nd clip. Embiid pushes the guy in the back to get the rebound before they called a foul. Shits wild.😂
Hot or not so hot take: the amount of players travelling without calls is directly proportionate to nonexistent fouls being called.
Based take actually, if you change the rules of the game you literally have to CHANGE the rules of the game
Im nr sure if thats a take bc it sounds like somthing you coukd put into a metric
no really tho the traveling is crazy
You dont hoop
Hot take: Embiid is the epitome of what NBA fans don't want. AND Ben Simmons is a better player than he is
Not sure AI should be in the same conversation as Harden and Embiid concerning “falling flat.” Harden and Embiid have had plenty of help while AI had 34yo Dikembe and Eric Snow
Embiid had whom exactly?
@@s_ame1135 Jimmy butler, Ben simmons , Maxey , Harris, Reddick, James Harden
@@xenkokuo8588 Harden is the only perennial star from what you mentioned and even that is sketchy. AI also had Melo.
@@s_ame1135 ah yes Melo . The known and renowned playoff performer Carmelo Anthony that has passed the first round 2 times in 13 tries .
Cuz AI play style doesn't work with a good lineup based on thinking basketball analysis
Video request: what are the real differences between regular season and playoff officiating? Is that the main thing that contributes to guys like Harden and Embiid failing?
I’d say it’s a mix of more physicality allowed PLUS the other team learning how to avoid fouls. If your tactic revolves around calls, the other team can usually figure out a new game plan after 1-2 games. It’s the studying of the other teams that makes playoffs another level of play
I think a part of it is, refs don't want to make too many of those phantom "superstar" calls and then have to face questions and the next game is between the same 2 teams, and the game after that. It's too easy for a refs' name to become part of the story, and nobody wants that.
I think one of the reasons why people care more if Embiid gets favorable calls is because he goes out of his way to get those calls.
Jordan and Shaq knew they get favorable calls but didn't go out of their way to abuse them the same way Embiid/Harden do. Even though MJ and Shaq both knew they would get better calls if they did but they didn't .But Embiid and Harden are fully aware that they get favorable calls and go out of their way to abuse them.
Good point. And at least w/ Harden, you could see some of the things he pulled were clearly well-conceived and rigorously practiced. I ended up almost respecting him, because it wasn't just wild flopping and flailing and complaining. Well, not all of it, anyway, and they took away a couple of those moves.
Embiid? Flopping and flailing and complaining. Can't stand the guy.
@@Trollificusv2lets not forget that harden would have won in 2019 if it wasnt for cp3 injury or his team missing 27 straight threes, only guy to take the fucking golden state avengers to a game 7, embiid would never
That’s worse, it mean that MJ or Shaq were heavily favored, because if i was the ref i would call a lot of these fouls he showed on Embiid or Harden because there is an actual contact, even if it’s initiated by them, if you are the ref and don’t have the same point of view as us watching from TV it can be hard to tell, but the fouls on MJ and Shaq we saw on the clip ? There is no contact, or little to no contact you can see it from a mile away, so who’s worse, for me its MJ especially, that guy got so many calls for nothing but when Lebron get assaulted by 3 people in the paint and still find a way to score they call him soft 😂😂😂
@@Anthonydu01630facts😂
@@Anthonydu01630 Some of it isn't just the refs like those players but those players like MJ and Shaq built up reputations on being unstoppable once they got into the paint and teams put up very real strategies of we're going to hit them hard/intentionally foul to disrupt them.
I think that put a general mindset into the refs of playing it safe rather than sorry by always giving those players the benefit of a doubt. As in Jordan went up and the shot was way off mark. Well then it had to be a foul.
I don't think that is necessarily worse then superstars going out of their way to get foul calls because at least there is logical reasoning that leads to the ref giving them the benefit of a doubt. Also don't get me wrong there were times where you could see Shaq and Jordan play up some contact to get a foul call as well.
Also LeBron is a terrible example to use because he gets tons of superstar calls as well and is also known to go chasing calls similar to Harden.
one thing is "superstar calls" and the other is being the tallest and heviest player on the floor every night and fly 3 meters away and land ridicoulously every time someone is near you
And then he wonders why he's hurt all the time - maybe don't fall to the floor like a felled tree when some 6'3" point guard breathes on you?
@@archangel357 Thats to prevent injury in the knees and ankles
He hasn’t been called for a flopping call once this season and ur still tryna put this bs narrative out smh
@@ruhinchakravarty2155 they've barely been making those flopping calls though
@@ruhinchakravarty2155That's the most absurd part about this. He hasn't been called for flopping ONCE. Thats why all fans hate Embiid
Embiid doesn't get calls because he's a superstar. He's a superstar because he gets calls.
did you not watch the video? theyre phantom calls? barely to no contact was made
Yo Jxmy this video about Embid, Marques Brownlee is watching it to demo TH-cam media consumption on Apple Vision Pro in his video titled “Using Apple Vision Pro: What It’s Actually Like”. Thought that was awesome, also love your videos man. Minute mark: 20:36.
I think personally if the rules don't get stricter someone's going to drop a 100 point game like we are getting 70 points game so often with guys like Luka and Embid.
They are really good basketball players. Please acknowledge that.
@@jefeseason4990They’re good.. but no one plays defense either. And it’s by design by the league.
@@darthsilversith667more foul calls been called so there is still defense
@@darthsilversith667if you look at Lukas game for 73 the hawks pick and roll defense was the worst I’ve ever seen. Barely any contests at the rim too
Lukas was a genuinallt amazing game not embiids though
This is why I like Jxmy’s videos. He can accept and give valid criticisms about the current era, while also addressing those same issues from the older eras to show that these aren’t new concepts 😂
Yes, this isn't a new concept and specific to Embiid. But what makes Embiid special is that he takes fake fouls in the ugliest way possible. He is so used to flop that sometimes he falls down when his teammates contact and still expects a foul call.
Joker and Giannis are also superstars. They also have advantage with no-calls and phantom calls. But the way they play doesn't look ugly as Embiid's. So it's not like this is a very common thing among superstars. Embiid does it in an extreme level that disturbs the average NBA fan.
I like Jxmy's video too but this one he is very selective. Comparing selectively Embiid to MJ or Shaq, the most dominant players of their own era, in the matches that matters. Like others pointed out Joker is actually the performer coming play off time, and the treatment he received from refs comparing to Embiid is night and day. What did Embiid do so we compare him to MJ or Shaq in the first place? Yet he receives much more favoured calls, for a player who always chokes in the playeoffs. People dont see this being a fair treatment thats why people dont like him. He is a great scorer, but until he does something meaningful in the playoffs, he is very much a scoring meme at this point.
@@fanfan9748 One theory is the following. Refs give favored calls to Embiid in purpose only to make fun of him in the playoffs where refs suddenly become fair again. Embiid is the player with the largest discrepancy between regular and post season performance. It's not even close. Even a championship ring + a FMVP won't fix this perception easily. He has to dominate in the same way that Jokic dominated last year (with better stats than regular season).
Nah
Dude failed to recognize Giannis has led the league 3 out of past 4 years in free throws and Shaq, harden, Durant, Giannis, Kobe and harden all had their best years leading the league in free throw attempts
Your point is invalid.
Watching players work to draw fouls isn't fun when they are good at it but it's even worse when players suck at it and try anyway like flailing their arms in the air after they turn the ball over or falling over on their own. A couple of games ago Kawhi got a great steal and ran the court for an unopposed dunk and then yelled "AND ONE" and stared at the ref on the baseline with his arms out while he ran back because he does that on every drive. It's drilled into him now.
The worst though is the hold the ball in 2 hands and wave your elbows around and hit guys in the face and chest and if it's a Spur or some other young player they call the foul on them. You could put a mannequin out there and if the offensive player held the ball and elbowed it in the face the refs would call a foul on the inanimate object instead of the player initiating the contact.
MKBHD used this video in his Apple Vision Pro review, he was watching it on device
What the hell that’s the next video in my watch later playlist after this!
4 unskippable ads and a sponsor section. What a time to be alive watching TH-cam
Used revanced bro skips sponsors, ads, all the bs
Am Russian
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One word: ReVanced
The NBA literally punishes teams for playing any kind of defense. Defense isn't weak in today's game, the rules just don't allow teams to play effective defense because even the slightest bit of contact regardless of who initiates contact will be called a foul. You know it's bad when players just drive to the hoop not even looking for the layup and purposefully wraps their arms around the defensive player and get awarded two free throws
Nailed it, defenders can't breathe on a player without a foul
This is why I like 90s basketball more.
One thing you did not mention when comparing to the past was that Jordan and Shaq did not have any unnatural movements to try to get extra calls, and they weren’t getting 11 FTs a game, Embiid and Harden try so hard to draw fouls that they literally had to change the rules so it wouldn’t break the game
I think whats more interesting is the stars that dont get a favorable/superstar whistle, likely because it would break the game. More often than not, Jokic and Curry leave the game battered and bruised, with few trips to the line. Imagine Curry going to the line 8-10 times a game every year.
I honestly think the other reason we're hard on Embiid is because we have another superstar that gets about half the calls Embiid does, but drops similar numbers each night, and now has proven it in the post season. We compare him with Jokic. And I think that's fair.
We also have Luka, Giannis and SGA.
The league is full of great players and Embiid's play-style is not appealing, at least to me.
The ppg difference between Embiid and Luka is wholly accounted for by the FT disparity, which is kinda sad
@@rishirajbose2444Luka is also not ducking any team because Mavs barely win even when he has to play 45 mins.
@@udishomer5852 SGA is getting tons of calls as well. The guy is sometimes shooting more FT than FG. Last year SGA had 10.9 TF per game. This year 9 FT per game, but in last 6 games he averaged almost 15 FT per game. Crazy.
Luka basically the real leading scorer in the NBA by far and he was last year aswell. Embiid averaging like 4 free throws more+ Luka taking out of this world harder shots while being the most double teamed per possesion player by far and still averaging 4 more assists than Embiid. Yeah Luka averages a bit more minutes than Embiid, but let's be real..Embiid doesnt even play back to back games. Imagine him playing back to back games 40+ minutes
I think the biggest difference between the players you showed is the way they get those easy calls. Yes Michael and Shaq were favoured by the refs as well, but they were not hunting cheap fouls like Harden and Embiid
That’s worse, it mean that MJ or Shaq were heavily favored, because if i was the ref i would call a lot of these fouls he showed on Embiid or Harden because there is an actual contact, even if it’s initiated by them, if you are the ref and don’t have the same point of view as us watching from TV it can be hard to tell, but the fouls on MJ and Shaq we saw on the clip ? There is no contact, or little to no contact you can see it from a mile away, so who’s worse, for me its MJ especially, that guy got so many calls for nothing but when Lebron get assaulted by 3 people in the paint and still find a way to score they call him soft 😂😂😂
@@Anthonydu01630 MJ fans are eeriely silent in the comment section 🫥
@@Anthonydu01630 Some of it isn't just the refs like those players but those players like MJ and Shaq built up reputations on being unstoppable once they got into the paint and teams put up very real strategies of we're going to hit them hard/intentionally foul to disrupt them.
I think that put a general mindset into the refs of playing it safe rather than sorry by always giving those players the benefit of a doubt. As in Jordan went up and the shot was way off mark. Well then it had to be a foul.
I don't think that is necessarily worse then superstars going out of their way to get foul calls because at least there is logical reasoning that leads to the ref giving them the benefit of a doubt. Also don't get me wrong there were times where you could see Shaq and Jordan play up some contact to get a foul call as well.
Also LeBron is a terrible example to use because he gets tons of superstar calls as well and is also known to go chasing calls similar to Harden.
@@insidejah9293 I mean MJ did get favorable calls. There is no doubt about it. That being said part of the history of that is because there was a real league strategy of intentionally fouling Jordan every time he made it to the paint. This made refs almost always lean towards giving Jordan the foul call. Don't get me wrong there were times Jordan played up contact, especially in his later years, to get the foul call but there is history on why Jordan got the calls he did.
@@Anthonydu01630did you watch the vid? All superstars get superstar calls. Yes that counts phantom calls on Embiid, as seen in the video.
Wait, wait , wait...Allen Iverson absolutely did not disappear in the playoffs. Go back and rewatch the games, he was, year after year for about five years, the most exciting player to watch, with absolutely the most heart you could ask for. He had very little help, and his teammates would disappear, production wise. Year after year, the only reason Philly was anywhere near the playoffs was him, and he was the only reason to watch his team.
And his playoff averages were pretty damn good. Also, single handedly (almost, nod to Deke) stopped the Lakers from sweeping the playoffs in 2001.
Seriously, find some of his old playoff games and watch...he was fucking amazing.
WOW 2nd on trending is crazy! i cant believe youve grown
He’s had plenty of top ten trending videos over the years… this is not a new thing
Yeah, okay, superstar calls and what not.
Why does Jokic not get the same calls then? Why is it that one time he actually did get a lot of free throws, the opposing team's coach went mad, and people went mad and called him a flopper?
Jokic isn’t nearly as aggressive of a scorer as guys like harden, young and embiid who get these calls, that’s pretty obvious
@@joelemsexy true, nobody says he should get EXACTLY the same amount of calls / FTs. But it's sometimes ridiculous when he doesn't get calls. Gotta be objective here
@@joelemsexy Not nearly as aggressive ..what are you talking about he leads the league with points in paint xD holy crap ...where did you put your brain ...
@@joelemsexy my friending, WATCH GAMES. Almost every damn game there's at least 5 obvious fouls on Jokic that refs don't call
@@joelemsexy yet he looks like he fought with bears and lions when you look at his arms after every game lol
If refs were fined for bad calls this wouldn’t be a problem
Technically they do get fined because they get paid and chosen for games based on performance. Although, seniority trumps performance numbers usually.
They are untouchable (as a whole not as individuals) as they can alter outcomes for gambling platforms. Money always dominates. They will continue to be protected and there’s seemingly nothing that can be done about it. It’s hurting the sport far worse than anything else.
Bro, the league tells the refs to do this. It’s an issue with the NBA itself, not the refs
Most of the time refs don't make bad calls on purpose. Fining the refs for bad calls would be like fining players for missing too much
@@willweaver5541players suffer by being kicked out of the league. You get punished for poor work performance. Simple. But I think it's too blunt an instrument. We'd soon have no refs if they were fined for every single mistake they make.
the Chris Nolan kinda batman theme music in the background was a interesting choice!
Embiid is on a mission to flop his way to another MVP
Hell I saw something that said if he misses six more games he will be ineligible.
jokic is fat
@@SuperHonkyPodcast you're the racist if you can't tell the difference between kendrick perkins and joel embiid.
Few years and a couple race cards and ya never know 😂
@@neilbrons529nah that race card has become an epidemic lol
The man has perfected "dont hate the player, hate the game" motto. NBAs gotta crack down and find a middle ground. Fouls are a part of the game. There has to be a middle ground between the 80s literal violent assault "fouls" and whatever Embiid is getting.
The NBA do that every year, "We have new rules against flopping."
But if they enforce it at all, its just for the start of the season and then they stop GAF.
I think if the league just enforced tighter carrying and traveling calls it would do a lot to change this. Right now defenders have a hard time keeping up with players being able to essentially duck and dive and quick step in 360 degrees of direction that it leads to a lot incidental contact from a defender that has to always be recovering.
Of course that will lead to more stoppages and less offense and I'm not sure the league wants that.
Every single video this guy drops is a banger
When are we gonna get a video about 2020 Monteverde vs 2016 Chino Hills
Storytelling is great! Displaying beautiful data is amazing! Combine the two and you have JxmyHighroller! Always a great day when you upload good sir!
Y'all ready to talk about the fact Embiid has dodged the Jokic matchup in Denver 4 years in a row?
Has anyone checked under Embiid's bed?
@@Reoh0zhave u??
5 years actually
@@vyyr !
He was literally gonna play but the Philadelphia medical staff took him out lmfao
Now do a video why some players like Jokic don't get the foul calls
exactly this. I would not have an issue with Embiid if Jokic got the same bs calls all the time, but Jokic has to get murdered to get to the line. Its insane.
Bro has scars for the last 3 years, they are drilling the nails into his arms so much its disgusting...
1. European
2. Doesn't "play the game" outside the court (media shit)
3. Not flashy, just good basketball
4. Being one of the best while looking like he is half awake makes other superstars and entire league look like a joke.
U should do video on 2016 chino hills vs 2020 Monteverdi
Can we assign each player a number corresponding to the rate of ref gifts per game?
as soon as embiid and luka dropped 70+ ive been on the edge of my seat for this jxmy vid
Same! Can’t wait for these charts and graphs 📊
Luka isn’t nearly as bad as Embiid
Yes he is@@MattKirk007
At least Luka only had 16 free throw attempts. He also only missed like 8 shots the whole game it was unreal
@@SparkyForce "Only 16 attempts" just say you're bias
The other issue is because how many fouls he draws teams have to guard off of him making it significantly easier to score
But Jimmy, does him not being the first to get preferential treatment and more foul calls, make it fine??
No. And that's the point, it's not only unfair, but not fun to watch, specially as a fan on the opposite team, or a basketball fan overall. Should we just say it's okay because he's a superstar and that's it? Smh
That's a good idea for a video
Players that are good in the regular season but fall flat in the Playoffs year after year
13:00 Come on AI does not deserve this slander. He took the Sixers without a second star to the finals against a stacked Lakers team and still managed to win a game. Harden and Embid have never come close to that.
EDIT: For those bringing up Harden in 2018, I said: "without a second star". Harden had CP3 until game 6. Who was the Sixers' second-best? Exactly. You don't know unless you search it up.
Harden also went toe-to-toe game 7 against the juggernaut 2018 GSW. Harden had his share of playoff disappointments but Embiid still have it worse.
Now what If AI was in the same conference as the Lakers?.. (Like Harden was with the GSW).. HE WOULD NEVER HAVE A FINALS APPEARANCE CLOWN
You took the words right out my mouth (pause). Absolutely unnecessary and a cheap shot.
You mean the league hosed the Bucks on calls to put AI in the finals.
harden literally won 3 games against the golden state warriors, wtf ru talking about????
Can someone explain to me how Lukas stats right now are easily 3rd debatable 2-1 best performances but he’s #5 in the mvp race right now. Does record really have that much poll?
it looks like it does although everyone says it doesnt also all star game is based on teams results not individual performance
Love luka more than anyone. I'm slovenian. Luka is not an mvp. He's far from mvp. His team is shit and he can't lead. Luka winning mvp would be a disgrace for the league
Sub par defense
@@bgdgdgdf4488 agreed. I think Luka will for sure get MVP sometime in his career, but definitely not this year
@@bgdgdgdf4488you know ball. Respect
Would be interesting to see a scatter plot with (x1) possession (seconds with ball, shot attempts, dribbles, fouls committed), and (x2) chance of being fouled (based on ‘star status’). The variable ‘star status’ should be obtained through a national survey (at least 50 NBA fan responses from each state), haven’t considered what variables would make up ‘star status’ yet. To obtain this number, divide ‘star status’ by the average number of fouls against the respective player in the last 2 minutes of reviewed games. Then you could compare this to how many times they’re fouled and how much how much possession they had before the L2M review. Would love to see this for superstars and non-superstars, maybe they’re ‘fouled’ more cuz they’re doing more 🤷
Good video, but it’d be nice to get the per 75 numbers to adjust for the change in pace
This is a crazy title😭
Homie ain’t even watch the video, but he calling out the title 😂😂. Ngl that’s why I clicked earlier than usual, lmfao.
Good title
His gf never clicked so fast
@@VictoriesAtTheMarathon Jimmy has even said he puts up misleading titles just because.
Crazy good
Putting AI in the same category as foul merchants is disrespectful on a whole other level. He actually went against the kobe shaq lakers and was still a menace. Sure he didn’t win a title but neither did any other superstar back in 2000-2002
This.....I was like... WTH Jimmy. Lol
This the one.
Iverson didn't get over the hump, but he 100% showed up when it mattered
Gotta cosign this right here. I will not stand for the AI slander.
@@masonwelsh9718 Thought it was odd too, even James Harden can make the case he got stopped by the Warriors every year like DeMar and the Raptors got stopped by LeBron like everyone else. The Sixers been getting stopped by the Heat lol, not the same.
The intro was the inner feeling of every non-lakers fan when their team goes against the lakers
“There’s more than one way to go up”
-Musashi Miyamoto
He forgot to talk about how embiid this year has been ducking against all the teams with a winning record. He plays all the bad teams and has only played half the games against teams over 500.
Are you serious? He averages more points ago+.500 teams than any other player…
He literally leads the league in PPG against playoff teams
@@THECRAZYGUITARBOYwell duh he leads the league in points and gets fraudulent free throws ofc he’s gonna lead the league against teams +.500 in the like 6 games he’s played against them
@@THECRAZYGUITARBOYHe picks and chooses what games he plays and only plays some teams over .500 when Philadelphia have home court
@@zombievikinggaming4258just say ur a casual and move on
I still don't understand how him and Giannis gets so many more ft's than Jokic.
Joker has never posted above 26 PPG for a season, Embiid and Giannis have both posted above 30 every season since the 2020-2021 season. You don't have to be a basketball fan to understand basic math. Two of those players are their number one scoring options, the other is a playmaking genius. Why are we even comparing their games other than the fact that their both 7 footers? This culture of hyper ignorant modern nba fans is weak as fuck lol
@@ingry Ironic because what you just said is incorrect. Jokic has averaged over 26 PPG twice in his career, in 2021 and 2022. He’s been the top scorer on the nuggets every season since 2018. Just because Jokic is the best playmaker on the team, doesn’t mean he isn’t their best scorer either. He’s both and has been for a long time. You didn’t explain why he doesn’t get more free throws and that’s because his play style is different. Also, their games are compared all the time lol did you just start watching the NBA? It’s funny how you say this culture of NBA fans is hyper ignorant and yet you sound like the ignorant one here 😂
@@ingrylmao you’re a clown😂
@@ingryyour wrong he has averaged more and jokic whoops them in other stats as well cry a river bum
Because people foul giannis and embiid more than they foul jokic. Why is that hard to understand?
great video.....sacridge that you put AI into the same group as harden and Embiid.....AI got his team to the NBA finals, a better comparison would be someone like Vince Carter who despite playing 20 years got only to the conf finals i think...
What mic you using?! So crisp!
Luka being 2nd on game score by only .6 after the 73 is really insane.. I can't wait for the video on that
If you get rid of points scored from free throws for every player in the league Embiid still scores the 2nd most ppg
@@MoltenNinewhat the hell does your comment have to do with his 😂 are you confused
@@MoltenNineI mean if phantom calls get called on whoever is guarding you and he gets on foul trouble of course the defense isn’t gonna be as tight, even getting rid of ft points doesn’t rid Embiid of the accusations lmao
it was cause his teammates kept missing layups and Luka got less assists. Should have had a triple double if his team didn't choke so hard.
i think the game in 2nd was the 60-20-10 game
James Harden taught him well while he was there
Learned from the best in the biz
so everyone complains about embiid but no one complains about the whole lakers team getting the same calls every night?
Do you have any channels you would recommend with the same style of content you provide but for football?
This was a great video… my only addition would be that the data showing super stars get more incorrect calls going their way in the last two minutes would definitely be skewed because the sample size of non star players shooting or handling the ball in key moments during the last two minutes of a game is extremely small compared to superstars
Exactly. Also, this is the first I’ve heard someone saying AI choked or didn’t show up in the playoffs…
If you read the article, you see that the difference isn’t actually all that big. 20% isn’t a huge number, and the raw data numbers look a bit more natural
The 20% is based on actual bad calls, not the number of attempts. It's irrelevant how many are taken. The data is infallible. 5% would be a lot, 20% is mind-blowing.
@@jacobmilne5205Average interest rate return:
Checking acct: .07%
Savings acct: .47%
Money market: .65%
Elite stock brokers: 10%
20% doesn't happen in normal metrics.
can't wait to see who the sixers choke against in the second round of this year's playoffs!
They definitely don't want any of Boston. Been their kryptonite for years now and it'll stay that way if they match up in the playoffs again
bro i wouldn’t want to play against boston either everyone on that team plays like a bitch 😭😭
The fact that the whistle changes in the playoffs shows that the NBA wants the game called this way in the regular season.
6:30 homie got called a master baiter
Allen Iverson? That dude won a Finals game by himself against the prime Kobe-Shaq Lakers (with the iconic step over on Tyronn Lue). No way is he in the same conversation as Harden and Embiid.
Yeah no way he lumped AI in with them 💀
So why does Jokic get hacked every single play and never gets a call? He’s a superstar and never does
Because Jokic isn't flopping around on the deck like a fish out of water.
It’s insane, I think the refs hate him
because Jokic is one of those very few superstars that don't get the whistle advantage.
Same reason Curry doesn’t. NBA doesn’t want them overshadowing their preferred narratives ahead of the new TV deal/negotiations.
Watch the refereeing get somewhat more consistent after that’s locked in & there’s no risk to letting parity determine who makes the playoffs.
Edit: They’re still gonna have the ref gambling allegations to contend with though.
I was waiting for this comment, jokic one of the most physical players in the league and gets disrespected by those bum refs
Dang bro, the end of the video just reminded me on Dak Prescott.
"You can't get too close to Michael or it's a foul" - Magic Johnson
It’s not because Embiid’s cheating. It isn’t because of the MVP award, It’s his inability to perform the way he performs IN THE PLAYOFFS, WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERS!! That’s what people have rightfully been holding against him.
I mean if you watched the video you'd see that Jxmy said all of that already lol
Joel Embiid's Playoff Injury History: 2023 (Knee Sprain), 2022 (Orbital fracture, concussion, torn thumb ligament), 2021 (Torn meniscus), 2019 (Knee tendinitis), 2018 (Orbital fracture, concussion). Has missed 7 of 54 playoff games in his career.May 1, 2023
@@johon127he just wrote it here😂😂😂
That on top of his inability to
Take accountability. When he dropped 17 on terrible shooting in an elimination game and then blammed his teammates for his shitty performance I knew he was a fraud.
I think embiid is playing this hard to validate last years mvpity award by winning an undoubtable one
My biggest problem with Embiid’s success is that Jokic doesn't get those calls so it's not a fair playing field. Go look at Jokic’s arms. He's getting mauled every night. Embiid is fantastic but I can't fairly compared the two best players because one is flopping his way to gaudy numbers.
1. The way Joel Embiid's moves, or style of play, is how he draws fouls. He has a "sloppy, random, jerky" style of play. You pick up more "soft/incidental" content in the paint. Or, it looks like he draws contact when there is none.
2. Then in the playoffs, the way the refs call fouls changes. They don't call as many "soft, incidental, or light fouls". This is why Joel Embiid doesn't score as much getting to the line, and can't get momentum scoring.
Can we talk about why Nikola Jokic doesn't get the same superstar treatment? He plays a lot more physical than Embiid and only gets 5-6 FTs a night.
Jokić doesn’t play more Physical than Joel 😂 Jokić can’t even lift himself off the ground and doesn’t have the same bag that Embiid does.
@@UserOutputthen you reeeally haven't seen jokic play...wow
@@UserOutput Watch Denver games. Lol. It ain't hard to see all the no-calls if you actually watch games, not just highlights.
@@UserOutputdo you not actually watch nba games? How can you possibly think that
@@UserOutputyou still have time to delete this before more ppl see it lol
11:06 just coming here to say that there is a difference between relative and absolute. There were a 20% relative increase, but the absolute difference was 0.96%
what's funny is that the article says refs favor superstars only "at a marginal level". But jimmy didn't read that part lol