2023 Zerg Bronze to GM #2: Gold League - Defending Rushes/Cheeses (B2GM) | StarCraft 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- In this B2GM episode, we are playing against Gold League players and learning how to defend against rushes and cheeses.
BUT PIIIIIG HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT TO YOUR FIRST B2GM SERIES?
The first Zerg B2GM series from 2021 STILL WORKS, this new series just teaches different builds and updates a few things.
BUT PIIIIIIG WHY ARE YOU SMURFING AGAIN?
The new B2GM series are against volunteers only, no ladder smurfing here.
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0:00 Game 1 vs Protoss
13:20 Control group stealing hotkeys
22:40 Game 2 vs Terran
42:00 Replay analysis Silver ZvZ
57:00 Game 3 vs Zerg
1:14:11 Game 4 vs Terran
1:32:10 Dealing with BCs
1:44:54 Game 5 vs Proxy 4-Gate Zealot
1:57:59 Game 6 vs Terran
2:03:54 How many Queens?
2:05:26 Game 7 vs Zerg
2:13:08 Ling Bane Aggression (links below)
2:16:14 Game 8 vs Protoss
2:21:46 Game 9 vs Terran
2:33:20 Game 10 vs Zerg
2:45:36 Conclusion
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I really like how you handled the smurfing issue with this series and invited your viewers. Big respect.
So happy to see there are still so many ppl looking to get better in SC2 ♥️
Playing this game makes me wonder how it can be so dead and unsupported, such an amazing experience it has been! I came from Command and Conquer as a kid, and starcraft 2 is literally the only RTS out there that captures the magic of RTS for me.
@@psclly it's just ppl are less patient in general. Instead of practicing one thing for a long time and be good at it, they would rather do many things in a short amount of time.
@CodeNameLL well, its not like Blizzard has been helping the game to thrive. I kinda see it as a TF2 type of game. Neglected but still an all time classic.
I suppose RTS isnt the most popular genre, and especially not something as tough to pick up as starcraft 2, but still, it deserves more than this
@@psclly yeah... profit is always the top priority for a company so it just comes down to how greedy you are
@@CodeNameLLwhile that might be the case, its not like RTS is an easy genre to get into. I started playing it exactly because of what you said, i want to try something new, and when i dont feel like playing, im going to stop for some months and play something else
2:39:00 "My Man!" - the sound of a Nydus
I am SURE by now that you have gotten these same messages again and again by the boatload at this point, but there is something in me that felt the need to thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's a story as old as time.... I played Brood War when I was a child, then dabbled in SC2 before finding interest in other computer and console games. Fast forward to now, I'm 33 and within the last year n a half or so, have stumbled upon a lot of the EXTREMELY entertaining SC2 youtubers such as Vibe, Harstem, Winter, Uthermal, and of course you PiG, being my favorite. Your content definitely got me back into playing but I had and still do have plenty of ladder anxiety which had me doing A.I. games mostly. Your first B2GM gave me the confidence to start giving the ladder a go. To be honest, I wasn't as successful as I was hoping to be, but that came down to me needing to get my mechanics more polished before any hopes of consistent wins. What the first B2GM series did the most for me was help get rid of my ladder anxiety. I know this comment has definitely gotten long enough but I just wanted to say one last thing. I am EXTREMELY proud to be able to say that since this new approach with zerg B2GM series 2, I have won 14/16 matches over the last couple days. Playing on a crappy laptop has made things harder for sure but I swear all of a sudden it all just "clicked" in my head and I look forward to the next volume of your zerg B2GM. PiG - YOU ARE THE MAN. Keep up the great work. Your teaching methods are amazing. Your patience and the way you are able to explain things is top shelf. I am only silver 1 but my small goal is to reach platinum within the week. Keep doing what your doing! Couldn't imagine the SC2 environment as a whole without you.
thanks so much for taking the time to share that mate
Follow his b2gm courses and really listen to what he’s saying about mechanic’s especially and I believe anyone can be plat easily!
It's always so awesome how in depth pig goes in these videos. Breaking down the reasons why he does everything and the thought processes behind it helps not just teach the skills but a fundamental understanding of the game. I still suck at starcraft but atleast I understand why I suck and the steps to take to improve. Always appreciate the educational content man, keep it up!
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Thanks Five!
Hey all, Relm here. I'm the Silver Terran that PiG has the Replay from. For those that may or may not be curious, I've played SC2 on and off since it's first release in WoL (God I loved Satchel Charges.) In terms of actually competitive 1v1's, I've played a few of them on and off through the years but never had the interest that the campaign and more importantly the Arcade had. Recently came back from a resurgence in watching SC2 streamers and casters, and since then I've slowly worked towards helping PiG Organize these B2GM events.
I thought it might be fun to try PiG's instructions as an actual Silver Terran. Well, ish. I still even up until early this month played extremely low amounts of games. I decided to try out his 2023 ZB2GM and see what I could do in placement matches. 5 Games later I was Gold 3 and starting to acknowledge issues in my play versus PiG. Camera Locations was definitely a big help, I swapped over to those in my first official matches and it has been a big improvement.
Started playing the game like a week ago u break it down so well. You play so chilled out because you always know what to prioritize. Really helpful content
Breaking the rocks against the guy was absolutely hilarious! I'm so glad I discovered this!
1:26:30 thats a metal gear reference if i ever seen one
1:58:40 oooh it was me, the minimap question guy! Thanks for the answer PiG!
you cant be a real person 💀
@@rodcosta290I know my dazzling looks and inquisitive mind make me look otherworldly, but trust me, I'm real. And very modest.
You helped me get back to zerg after several years break. Got gold in 10 games.
DUDE, thank you so much, comiing off a long break and i have smashed from bronze to gold so far. Keep up the good work !!
There wa a time when ling bane vs ling bane was pretty common in my league. Those were always my favorites. Fast paced and devestating. Sneaking banes from bushes, and sending in one or two lings to blow up their banelings when they were distracted. Constant joyous panic.
Thanks so much for making this playlist for us new players. I started playing about a month ago and I just hit plat for the first time with your roach build. That’s not anything amazing but it’s pretty good for me as I didn’t know jack shit when I started. These series’ are easy to follow and provide so much insight into this very complicated game which is so valuable to new players, and it breaks it down to a digestible process that anyone can follow and with practice, can master. I showed the Terran b2gm to my friend from school as well and he just made it to plat as well. Thanks for putting the time in to make this series happen
Ye, Pig dude - THX ALOT! Super pedagogical, super entertaining. Keep it up!
this is the perfect topic for gold I struggle in platinum because I passed gold by rushing super early winning most of my matches including all but 1 placement if i recall within the first 5 minutes every time longest my match would go is 7mins anything longer it was just someone who won't surrender which i can understand after being rushed by constant hydralisks since the first minute and a half give or take. now I've been trying to take longer games i'm proud to say I can confidently go 10 minutes before I all-in with a river of bodies now thx to you lul
Looking at that first game its amazing how far the entry level gold league players have come. They used to just sit back at base doing nothing then come in if you leave them long enough with a load of units. Now your seing 2 prong active early harrassment, proxy building and other things. The lower leagues have improved significantly in the last few years.
there is less new players and that results in overall higher skill level. Someone has to be gold/silver/bronze, no matter how good/bad they are. I got placed in gold several years ago and everybody knew some builds and executed them almost decent. They had quite low understaning of what's going in the game tho. In plat people could use strategy already while having decent execution of build orders, transitioning. To reach diamond i would have had to play more consistent, on a daily basis. I resigned with plat 2 lol
@@plunderersparadise I hardly play the game im currently around diamond 3 but to improve anymore I would need to dump significant time and effort in. The general player base is just so good now.
I know its 1 year old comment but I just have to respond. I came back
“back” to the game after almost 20 years (last time I played Starcraft actively was brood war back in school). I played campaign in sc2 because I love those but I never got into ladder play. Now I feel… so bad compared to other ppl. I ranked into silver 2 and got promoted to silver 1 but damn are those other people so much better than me. I feel like I dont even belong that high considering how much better other ppl feel than me. I win some of my games but even those hardly feel deserved.
This video is the best one I've watched on defending rushes/cheeses/early aggression.
Thanks for the updated b2gm, was really struggling with roach only build. I keep getting annihilated by Terran's early push.
Great improvement from the last !
1:26:20 Metal Gear?!
This build still works in plat 2 - plat 1 in EU. The backstab, pull back if not ready, really allows to go far. I only struggle in ZvZ. And still have to switch to roach hydra sometime (thanks to vibe). Great B2GM so far, thanks Pig :) (and the keyboard shortcuts are sick).
Glad to hear it's kicking ass Kradukman!
I am in this video and I like it :D
Man this series is so damn good.
really good videos to learn the game ! thx so much! hope you will do something like this for stormgate !!
haha once I figure out how to play it myself for sure
Your videos are super helpful for new players like me. Thanks for the great content PiG!
cheers mate
Looking foward to BTGM Protoss series :)
Thanks for all your series PiG! We must protect this man at all cost 😍
cheers mate
LMAO with the mionority comment. YOure awesome PiG keep it UP!
Great stuff pig i need that platinum part. I got zerg up 300 and now im losing to platinum players.
It finally dropped on youtube 😄
To late PiG I use core 😂
First ranked match I ever played on SC2 was against a plat… was rough lol, but I’ll adapt. I’m an old school SC1 player, even before Brood War, but I have not played since like 2000
I like zerg because I think they’re neat. ❤
1:30:00 i remember like 30 games where i lost it, because i did not know how to handle this... just wait somewhere with cca 10 corruptors... with his economy crushed but not really sure how to build the spire, 4 gasses... these silly guys just beaten me.. :D
glad showing that helps you out mate
pig being slow is my best apm
32:00 lol, that Terran got destroyed.
The build order in the Google doc seems a bit incomplete. Doesn’t list times to build bane nest, second gas, etc. anyone have some additional info on this?
Best part of the video is at the start when Pig responds to a certain someone resubing. ;)
BTW I did join Discord (can't remember when exactly) and I've got a ton of great advice!
Hello Pig, thanks for the guide! In the 2021 b2gm you said that ZvZ should be nonstop ling+banes but in this one you say massing ling+banes is weird and that we're not going to see it very often on ladder. Is the difference that the 2021 build hits way faster, so you're not technically "massing" them?
What do you think of building 2 extra queens to defend against air in the main and to inject the macro hatches?
I wish I played games where the enemy has 8 stalkers at 12 minutes
Hey Pig, in later videos could you explain what different numbers of barracks mean in ZvT. Also gases in ZvP and drones in ZvZ? I always here pros talking about this and so don’t understand what they take from this information when they scout.
2 bases 5-1-1 is an all in with a timing attack. 3-1-1 means the terran plans to exapdn and go for a longer game or a 2-2 timing. 2-1-1 is a quick double drop agression around 5'20.
Gas first and reactor and the first Rax means hellions but you don't know if the terran is going mech or bio. Probably mech if they go for more than 8 hellions. But I think all this is irrelevant until high plat/diamond ( I was doing vibes f2 a move not lloning until plat 1 x))
Are you able to upload in 1440p60 PiG or is it something to do with Twitch/recording where the bit-rate isn’t high enough? Thank you!
Because I do the show live as well I can't go above certain resolutions or it'll actually look worse. There's only a certain level of bitrate that I can max out and I'd need a fair bit higher to make 1440p worth it
Great stuff man, have to say that I hope you do Protos 😊 any chance of getting your horken setup. Looked into the core but those keys don’t correspond to what you seem to have
Protoss B2GM: th-cam.com/play/PLOrKQEirgvjBJrKM31yhwA8v54pcBuXsx.html - I'll be doing a new one with different strategies after I finish this Zerg and a new Terran B2GM :)
My hotkey setup is super customised and doesn't work without insane level of customisation - I'd highly recommend you use the Core IF you want to set up an advanced setup, but otherwise just standard is good
@@PiGCoaching thanks man, trying to improve, got stuck at Diamond 3 so checking out how to improve
@@ilichnunez9659 eyy diamond 3 is great. If you want to discuss hotkey setups best to talk to the nerds that designed and work with the Core themselves over in their discord server: discord.gg/Uw3vX8r
How to defeat the helions + cyclone comp?
10:07 Was that just a random DT catch or how did he know they were there? Yes u can se the shimmering but how did he know to pan overe there. I rewinded several times to se if they attacked something giving away there location but they dident so how did he know they were there in the first place?
So apparently I started talking in my sleep I asked what I was saying... Inject overlord drone unit creep loop 😂😂😂
1:25:00 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd
Great video series, super informative but 2:16:14 was so incredibly out of pocket
In game 2 vs Terran, I think he could have lost from BC, he didn't have vision. In my Gold games of late, if I play like he did in game 2, there would be BCs at my base and I would lose.
1:40:00 hoist with his own petard
what logic dictates which base will be your 3rd? 4th? etc. i know a lot like to take their 3rd at the triangle position, but I hear some higher skilled players like harstem and thermal say its risky to take the triangle position. how do you tell when its risky or safe?
It's all up to how you prefer to play. Taking the forward one is easier to defend from backstabs generally, but easier for enemy frontal pushes to reach your base. Also if you lack anti-air the triangle base is easier for them to drop back and forth from your main and 3rd base, so that can be very annoying as zerg
I was playing as Zerg and someone once went mass hydra/lurker on me. Recommended counter to this? Broodlords to deal with lurkers and ling loop around behind and jump the hydras?
Lurkers are pretty far down the tech tree so you should be able to hit a timing before they get to them. If they do get there, make sure you have overseers in the mix, and if the game drags on technically using your own lurkers + vipers for blinding cloud on their lurkers is the play. That's not recommended for anyone below diamond, but it's up to what you feel comfortable working on and trying
My only criticism is that you assume that we can tell if the fight we are having is the last one for instance 2:32:12 , shouldn't a gold player assume the worse and rebuild the army ?
I was just showing that you just need to click the banelings into the mineral line, and that with no extra actions they'll generally destroy most of the SCVs. Once you have no more effective micro to do in the battle you can focus on reproducing army
2:11:32 "The key is choke points, and queens in choke points". Translation: Queens have a thicc booty. Make good use of them.
What do you do if your opposent do mass lorker?
Just got back to sc2 after 6 years , had a game like that , my opponent did mass lurkers and i want mass muta with some roach
Killed some lurkers and expanded , got more gasses and made a lot of units
Id love to know how to deal with mass BC's from a terran that is turtled in. I cant kill them fast enough maxed out with Currupter and broodlord. Near on fucking impossible as they kept teleporting away when low health too. But it just got to a critical mass. I assume its just a case of waiting to starve them out and never engaging ? The games last for an hour or so its so fucking toxic.
I believe you can overwhelm them with a strong timing attack before they can mass a lot of bcs. In the last btgm Zerg he played mass roach and it would crush a player investing so much resource into bc tech which takes a bit too much time. Then of course you scout it just make sure you have reactive spores in your bases and queens ready to react and defend. If you wait too long and let them build up mass bc then it will be veryyyy hard to stop. If you are worried about high ground tanks and running into that then try using a nydus work in their base and maybe 2 prong from front and back with nydus. Hope this helps dude!
There are a lot of tells that a terran is turtling. If they expand very slowly. Build lots of turrets. Build a planetary fortress on any base before their 4th base. Any of this means they're turtling. You can either be very aggressive or very greedy vs turtling players. If you're very greedy you can go straight to 6 bases, go up to 90 drones and then just smash ling bane into the enemy denying their bases and never letting them get up a 3rd base. Whilst adding corruptors as needed to deal with BC harass. As long as you keep your worker count up you will have roughly 3x the enemy economy, and even higher as their bases mine out. It will feel trivial once you recognise early enough what's happening and drone up hard enough. Should definitely run into one or two players who play like this in the next episode.
@@PiGCoaching I’m gonna try this approach instead next time. Just always feels scary expanding and droning up so quickly and to such a large scale not knowing when the enemy will attack. In games recently whenever I scout a player going so fast up the tech tree for bc I just go for a overwhelm and drop into main and distract up ramp. Because if they have lots of static and also tech buildings then they can’t also have much army right? Do you think this is a viable option too?
@@PiGCoaching Thanks Mate. That makes alot of sense. Im currently Diamond 3 and really struggle with this. What is crazy in my head I know what I need to do but once im in game the panic sets in.
@@devloveswifi4893 Thanks for this.
Why do you do macro hatch instead of taking more bases? Also, why don't you get queens for the macro hatches?
We do both. Macro hatcheries first because it's vital to get them up and the 4th/5th base might get denied, and this way it's easier and quicker to start them and add them to control groups.
Adding queens for macro hatcheries and every base would mean you're getting way more queens than you ever need. Each queen is 2 supply and 150 minerals - so wasted money and supply that's not drones or army. You also then would have a macro cycle that changes constantly throughout the game. Injecting 3 hatcheries is repetitive and becomes smooth like clockwork. Injecting 3, then 5, then 7 hatcheries gets very slow and takes a lot more attention.
In the next episode we'll introduce some creep/defence queens which will do a one-off stack of injects on the macro hatcheries each game, so they'll still produce a lot more larva without affecting our macro cycle habit at all
I'll be getting to plat just because i want a queen named Brian May
Hey PiG, are you going to make a new B2GM series for Terran, too?
yep!
@@PiGCoaching Thank you so much. I look forward to it!
How does anyone stay so relaxed during a game of sc2. I feel like I’m running 200 mph until I get killed by a timing attack
many years of experience. RTS games are all about learning new systems and feeling overwhelmed, so you just focus on repeating and internalising a few things at a time until they become second nature, then move onto the next thing. It's a slow and steady process that's incredibly rewarding, but takes time
2:00 That dude is onpoint
what if they just build air?
Without scout you lose... which is part of the game
Suggesting ling/bane to beginner Zergs is inherently such a bad idea.
This shit feels impossible
I count a full 40 seconds that he was in the grip of that pigs/minorities joke. 15 seconds in, the angel on his shoulder says "we're done here, apologize and move on", but 15 seconds after that, the devil on his other shoulder is STILL saying "solid joke though, there's no denying that".
Either my bronze/gold opponents are much better than this or I am much, much worse than this
its so stupid if it would be carriers insted of BC tahn you would never win that
Oh man, poor Senju th-cam.com/video/0MPYHqdozZQ/w-d-xo.html
*wakes up in the middle of the night and smacks my wife on the butt*
her: QUE? (she dont speak english)
me: inject, inject, inject
her:QUE!!???????
me: zzzzzzz :)
every sc2 game longer than 6 mins is stupid
Cloning?? That doesn’t even make sense. Like sure let’s pick a word that has nothing to do with what’s going on.
I prefer how you call it “Shift-Deselecting” because that is actually what you’re doing and it makes perfect sense, unlike cloning which doesn’t make sense at all.
Not only that but when you research Starcraft 2 cloning you’ll find only articles about “Hybrid Cloning” from the SC-Lore.
yeah ima stick to shift-deselecting from now on :)