Guys who tool around camp, lake fish a lot, etc... Snowmobile clubs that need a couple of sleds for occasionally scouting trails for blow downs, trimming branches, etc...
Very thorough and comprehensive presentation - The advances in technology, whether gasoline or electric will only get better and this raises the bar for all OEM’s and ultimately benefits the consumer - Well done and thankyou for taking the time in creating this video, much appreciated - Cheers from Québec!
catching up? polaris just left the industry in the dust and tiaga isn'teven a real player yet. so i wouldn'tn say catchingup. Mathematically? Those sleds are goingto have to cost $50,000 to keep up with a new 2022 poo. facts don't care about your opinions. do the math on nicad lithium batteries, brushless engine designs, thermal efficiancies ect... its a tough game to play but i don't see them ever paring out letalonecatching up.
Be extremely curious to see how the batteries do in the cold over the long haul, I know I have had battery issues in Cochrane in February. Very curious to see how it’s goes.
Tiaga has developed a proprietary liquid heating/cooling system to keep the batteries at optimal temps. If they get hot, it cools them down. If its really cold out, it warms them up. It works constantly when the sled is plugged in. If you leave the sled in the cold over night NOT plugged in, it will warm the battery up before you use it. Takes about 2 minutes and only uses %2 of your battery.
Sounds like this would work for local riding , but not practical for long distance riding for a week or two traveling from motel to motel where there are no charging capabilities
@@alftrotter468 it charges easily over night on any 110v residential plug in. If u can plug in a block heater u can charge your sled. Plus when u charge at an overnight stop the battery will stay warm and be ready for optimal performance when u head out. Like any ev it's best to preheat the battery when you are plugged in so u don't sacrifice range.
I haven't seen a whole lot of current bushes along the trail or hundreds of available block heater receptacles in places like Matagami or Sept Isles or Hearst. If you have to carry a gas generator to charge it you might just as well stick with a gas engine and then taxpayers won't be expected to pay to charge someone else's machine like cars!!
@@alftrotter468 it definitely makes no sense if u have to bring a generator lol. If you plan to go for days in the middle of nowhere it's not going to be an option. I'm not sure what portion of the snowmobiling public would be sledding for days and staying at places with no power but I would guess it's probably a fairly small percentage and I'd be happy to pay an extra couple bucks to the hotel to plug in for the night even though they let you plug your truck in for free when it's cold and this will only use about 1$ more power a night than your truck does when it's plugged in. Sledding mecas will catch on when more and more sleds become electric and I can see that they will want to install plugs for people so they will attract a larger clientele to their hotel. It only makes sense that if these become more popular then the services to use them will improve as well. Not going to happen over night
Hey Ken, I just want to say that was one of the most entertaining reviews I have seen from you in a long time. I could feel the excitement in your voice talking about this sled. You were so excited you just said whatever came to mind and I agree as much of a motorhead I am this sled looks great. There was several break out laugh moments here for me, thanks for that. So glad to see your passion for PowerSports has only become stronger. Well Done!
Informative video as always. Would’ve liked a ride along clip to experience how quiet it is. Thanks for all the work you do bringing us your unbiased opinions on sleds we’d never experience.
I wonder if they could do a solar charging setup, or some way to hook up a solar panel? You can get fairly light roll up solar panels so you could take this out ice fishing for the day, throw the solar panel on and let it charge until you are done ice fishing
@@twincam103 why would it lol they are plenty of 300hp sleds withojt track issues. All thought i still think we wont see those taiga around until they get more exiting.
@@winkiiiie modern sleds have a cvt. I don't think the taiga does. It's just a motor right to the track. That's instant power. So if the track has too much grip you'll be stressing lugs and I can only image how bad studs could be. Right now taiga only is rated at 180hp. 300 could very well be too much.
@@twincam103 automatic torque limiting is dead easy for an electric motor. CVT not required. Just dial in how much torque you think your track can handle.
@@twincam103 i dont think youve owned many sled.. plenty of tracks rated for 300hp and guys run it with clutch kits no issue. So many 350 hp drag sleds with stock tracks.
Lol the future? This company is going to go the way of Alta motors and their electric dirtbikes that were "going to change everything." Bankrupt. And can't wait to see it. I don't know a single mountain sledder who would bring one of these into the back country.
This is a perfectly timed review Luke...😳. “SHAWINIGAN and MONTREAL, March 26, 2021 Taiga, a leader in off-road vehicle electrification, has announced plans to build a mass production plant in Shawinigan, Quebec. The first phase of construction, slated for completion in 2022, represents an investment to accelerate mass production of snowmobiles, personal watercraft and side-by-side vehicles slated for 2022.” “This facility, a part of the $185M in recently announced funding, will bolster Taiga into becoming a globally leading OEM for powersports vehicles,” said Samuel Bruneau, CEO of Taiga. “We have seen strong customer demand limited by product availability. This new facility shows Taiga’s continued commitment to be trailbreakers and offer electric vehicles capable of diving mass-market adoption without compromise.”
Hey man, i really appreciate how you cover pretty much everything in your videos, on all the snowmobile you try. pretty sure you make the best content out there on snowmobile test. It must of been a hard step for you to learn all this new technology. On the charger part, your comment was pretty accurate except i would of add that the CCS Port it's called, is separated into two categories, one is AC current for home and small chargers. And the bottom two pins is the DC fast chargers so for 50 KW chargers.
I tend to agree but you may not have a choice in the future. I doubt I’ll live to see that day but there will be growing pressure to eliminate all IC engines except where absolutely necessary
@@profdave2861 depends on the climate current electric batteries if you read the label freeze at -25c and you should have them in a warmer area when it go down to -50 this winter my neighbour wasnt using his tesla just his civic. what we will have is electric and hydrogen
@@polskiewinnipeg the lithium titanate batteries are good for much lower temperatures. I'd be surprised if taiga wasn't using these or similar. These are not normally used in a car as they are slightly more expensive, but the pack is a Lot bigger in a car, so the incremental price difference isn't much in a sled. We used our Tesla right through the winter, but it is the newest iteration from just before Christmas and has much better cold weather performance than the previous version.
man if they developed an info center like whats on the polaris sleds...like for maps and group rides that would be awesome. thats about the only upgrade I could think of to add to this...but maybe the taiga info center is better? the future is here
Great review! I love snowmobiles. I restore old ones, buy and ride new ones and am looking forward to what electric technology can bring to the sport. As always, I appreciate your open and honest input.
Interesting sled. I’d love to know the range. Also, if anyone at Taiga is listening, there needs to be an on board storage area for a 110V charging cable.
@@06goatm6 This will vary by well over 50% depending on snow conditions. Its literally impossible to predict. I think those estimated numbers are a best case scenario on extreme hardpack. What happens when its snows a foot of heavy wet snow overnight?
Very interesting machine!! I wish you could have shown a quick ride to see how quite it is...I remember how the four strokes were said to be strangely quiet when they first came out and now almost zero Db. of noise!! I'm still old school triple/triple but it's interesting how far they have come in the last decade!! love SnowTrax TV. keep up the good work.....
Great overview...Wife & I want two of these....if they are equal or less than gas sleds. I'm a bit apprehensive about being a first adopter. Warranty upgrades based on issues would make it an easy buy. Was waiting..waiting...waiting for Luke to grab a helmet and show some footage of it's operation...alas no. Like the gauge cluster..add 7S type NAV rider link option and I'm even closer to putting in an order. Would want the 180hp version with a 146" track.
This is all well and good but what we need to know and what no one is saying is what is charging times?how long can you travel in the different modes? What really happens when you are using headlights and hand warmers,etc.? Do we freeze to get where we want to go or ride in fear of not making it to our destination. One can always siphon a bit of gas on the trailer to get you out of a situation but what do you do when your battery goes dead? What is the life span of these batteries and is it worth replacing them or do you just scrap the sled? What do you do with the old batteries when they are dead? Sooo many questions and not enough answers.l hope you all do your research as you get all excited based on the comments so far.thank you
You will need to reassure people that they can take their machine to a remote camp for a week as long as they have a generator. Can it tow a sleigh and have a passenger seat?
Another great review guys! Absolutely beautiful sled, and I would love the opportunity to try one! I hope they do well! More manufacturers can only help with technology, and great new ideas that improve the sport.Thanks for the vid
Is there an overview on the Nomad anywhere? You guys mentioned the Curve XS skis and I'd be really curious to hear some detailed thoughts on how they handle.
one of the bonuses will be just like the electric golf cart ive had since 2008 is you will see more wildlife while your out in the bush and that always makes it better..stealth is cool
I began snowmobiling in the mid 70's, I recall all the negativity about oil injection, cuz I bought one of those Yamaha pups. All my riding buddies expected it to Blow up on those cold days. It didn't. Always hard to inject a new concept in any industry. Besides the range and cost there are two killers for myself. First thing - No pull start!! (HeHE) well that'll take gettin used to. 2nd - That beautiful rumble of the 800's coming to life, the smell of that great exhaust left on my snowmobile suit, giving that up? Well thats where I draw the line. I might as well go back to cross country skiing.
Very interesting! The big question is range and charging infrastructure. I can definitely see a big business case for a ski resort especially operating with a load and having electric motor torque at low rpm, and quiet operation.
Charging infrastructure isn't really that important unless you are wanting to ride several hundred kms a day. If it does 140 kms on a charge and u can plug it in over night to a 110v plug then that will be good enough for me. It will also charge in 2 hours on a 220v plug and 20 mins at an ev fast charger. I think most people think they ride further than they do but if you are a 300kms a day guy then it's not the sled for you at this time.
So here is a thought. Right now a snowmobile has CVT and your lucky if 60% of that makes it to the chaincase. Without a clutch in these the 120hp version on these should be similar to the 800 class sleds out now.
@@pavmentsurfer13 its no where near that good on a snowmobile even with good clutching. Add in like 10% loss for chaincase and drive shaft and you end up with the typical track dyno hp 50% of engine hp.
This sled looks really good, with really good components, especially for a new company! The switch gear look identical to Arctic Cat's though! When the weight comes down, and range goes up on future models, these could be amazing!
Are there heat exchangers still? I would assume so as it still generates heat. My other "concern" would be say you do run out of battery or it malfunctions on the trail. Is there a way to disconnect the drive system for easy towing? Normal sleds we can remove the belt.
What is the projected mileage per charge? Per usual thank you very much for all the awesome educational footage you provide us. Would have loved to have seen some Footage of it in operation.
Hey what about a audio mode to emulate a 2 stroke or 4 stroke idling or Turbo mode or a Braaap mode. That would be so cool and could also be used as a safety feature to let you know the sled is in ride mode. What does everyone think Yea or Nay ?
Nay, personally the solemn silence of the frozen trees is disrupted by the loud ass engine. Id love to only hear the wind whistling as I glide through the gnarled skeletal dedacious and the verdant snowcovered carniforus trees
Specifications? Weight? Range? One last thing......this is long overdue! The sport needs this !! As the world moves forward, so should the snowmobile industry.
@@oldwrench4213 There’s environmental impacts associated with power generation as well that need to be considered before picking a side.... Not to mention the convenience of taking gas with you as extra on a snowmobile trip.... I’m all for new tech but there’s some industries where that tech needs further development before we dive in.... I for one have ridden snowmobiles for 32 years and, even though current 4 stroke tech is great, wouldn’t consider anything but an oil burning 2 stroke that screams down the lake!!! That’s just me though haha
@@pajamatime5750 53 years for me riding. The value of technology rests with each individual. Like all, we go thru phases. I prefer clean and quiet over braaappp! The cost of any new technology is high. Costs will come down over time. The environmental impact with be far less with electric. The output will be noticed immediately. With it new riders will see the value of snowmobiles!
LOVE the looks. Paints beautiful. Design excellent. Would love to demo one. Price range? Dealership support? Home Charger cost? Range? The questions are endless really. BUT what’s important is a customer is interested
It is awesome that 2022 season will see some new snowmobile blood in the lineup. Welcome Taiga and Lynx. I think the Taiga looks great. Does anyone know if it is coming to North America?
Luke, your review of this was absolutely AMAZING! I am so happy you pointed out that Taiga built this from the ground up as a pure EV. I hate when car manufacturers release a electric car based off of an ICE platform 😐 Taiga, you guys have my full support and can't wait to see your sleds and upcoming side by side here in Wyoming!
This was a good intro, but I’m really looking forward to a ride review. As you said, this entire sled is all new from a brand new manufacturer. « It feels and rides great » is just really broad. A full review on the GoPro while riding would be great. To hear it « running » and to talk about responsiveness, handling and suspension as you’re actually experiencing it. It’s necessary because many of us won’t have a chance to test ride this thing for a long long time.
Cool... My buddies tesla lost 30% battery sitting over night at my house this winter when it was about -15 or -20 Fahrenheit. He also said his battery life diminished greatly. I'd be concerned about that in Minnesota where I woke up to -40 degrees several times and lots of below zero days and nights.
They have proprietary liquid heating/cooling technology to ensure optimal tempatures, generally if you dont leave it plugged it in overnight it will take 2% battery to optimize the battery temp before yoy ride but thats not much of a kick in the pants
Are we not going to talk about how the handlebar controls are from an Arctic Cat snowmobile.... Curious to know if this is just because it is a demo version or if they intend to use these in production?
You could probably get a vape pen filled with your favorite smelling 2 stroke oil and put it into your inside upper jacket pocket. That way it would also migrate into your helmet while you ride.
Thanks for the info Luke. It’s an interesting concept but the deal breaker for most will be range which I didn’t hear you mention. Are the range specs available? Unless there is an entire power grid built in remote areas of the all provinces for trail riders and deep in the backcountry for the mountain riders I don’t see this technology taking off. Guess you can carry a 3000W generator strapped on the back to recharge along the way but that kind of defeats the purpose of an EV. Oh well power in North America is mostly from coal and natural gas so might as well keep burning gas. This will great for short distance riders but won’t suit the high mileage or mountain riding crowd.
Once they get the infrastructure issue down for these they have a ton of potential, for now i see these being useful as a sled you keep at the cabin, it isnt really there yet for long trips until the charging systems are availiable at public "gas stations"
Maybe I missed it but what range can we expect out of a charge? I know varying conditions will be a factor.. but sweet looking sled. The way things are going I think this is going to be a big deal
Cool unit. Electric is exciting. The new Hummer EV truck is a good example. Decent range & huge power. Love the color of this sled. Overall look...so, so. It won’t trump an SRX on looks. Who is Taiga’s parent co/funding? I assume government/taxpayer involvement to some extent if only in an incentive basis. What is range (generally)? A snowmobile has a few different dynamics that an auto. Charging stations particularly in remote rural areas will be an issue. Mountain areas also. I’m not too worried about starting & other cold weather concerns. It wasn’t long ago when naysayers (incl a couple OEM’s) said a 4Stroke would never work in a snowmobile. Electric definately has a place tho & it’s exciting to see where it’s going.
I think this is perfect for rental places for tourists.
I FULLY agree.
Guys who tool around camp, lake fish a lot, etc...
Snowmobile clubs that need a couple of sleds for occasionally scouting trails for blow downs, trimming branches, etc...
Places like Yellowstone
Why, do you want beginners blowing past out on the trail?
Hey Luke it definitely looks good and by your take the performance is impressive, now how about some video of you riding the sled!
i guess I'm pretty off topic but does anybody know of a good site to stream newly released tv shows online ?
@Denver Grady lately I have been using Flixportal. Just google for it :)
@Mark Raphael Yup, I have been watching on Flixportal for months myself =)
@Mark Raphael Thanks, I signed up and it seems like a nice service :) Appreciate it!!
Very thorough and comprehensive presentation - The advances in technology, whether gasoline or electric will only get better and this raises the bar for all OEM’s and ultimately benefits the consumer - Well done and thankyou for taking the time in creating this video, much appreciated - Cheers from Québec!
Can't even imagine what a third generation taiga would be like. That sled is awesome! I love that electric is finally catching up with better tech
Rite on, long way to go but I like it!
catching up? polaris just left the industry in the dust and tiaga isn'teven a real player yet. so i wouldn'tn say catchingup. Mathematically? Those sleds are goingto have to cost $50,000 to keep up with a new 2022 poo. facts don't care about your opinions. do the math on nicad lithium batteries, brushless engine designs, thermal efficiancies ect... its a tough game to play but i don't see them ever paring out letalonecatching up.
Brad Clarke heheh what's a Polaris?
Brad Clarke the model in this video will cost 15000$ lol
@@firecatflameking snow check one then
Be extremely curious to see how the batteries do in the cold over the long haul, I know I have had battery issues in Cochrane in February. Very curious to see how it’s goes.
Tiaga has developed a proprietary liquid heating/cooling system to keep the batteries at optimal temps. If they get hot, it cools them down. If its really cold out, it warms them up. It works constantly when the sled is plugged in. If you leave the sled in the cold over night NOT plugged in, it will warm the battery up before you use it. Takes about 2 minutes and only uses %2 of your battery.
Sounds like this would work for local riding , but not practical for long distance riding for a week or two traveling from motel to motel where there are no charging capabilities
@@alftrotter468 it charges easily over night on any 110v residential plug in. If u can plug in a block heater u can charge your sled. Plus when u charge at an overnight stop the battery will stay warm and be ready for optimal performance when u head out. Like any ev it's best to preheat the battery when you are plugged in so u don't sacrifice range.
I haven't seen a whole lot of current bushes along the trail or hundreds of available block heater receptacles in places like Matagami or Sept Isles or Hearst. If you have to carry a gas generator to charge it you might just as well stick with a gas engine and then taxpayers won't be expected to pay to charge someone else's machine like cars!!
@@alftrotter468 it definitely makes no sense if u have to bring a generator lol. If you plan to go for days in the middle of nowhere it's not going to be an option. I'm not sure what portion of the snowmobiling public would be sledding for days and staying at places with no power but I would guess it's probably a fairly small percentage and I'd be happy to pay an extra couple bucks to the hotel to plug in for the night even though they let you plug your truck in for free when it's cold and this will only use about 1$ more power a night than your truck does when it's plugged in. Sledding mecas will catch on when more and more sleds become electric and I can see that they will want to install plugs for people so they will attract a larger clientele to their hotel. It only makes sense that if these become more popular then the services to use them will improve as well. Not going to happen over night
I'm not a snowmobile owner or rider... but I have to say this thing really got my interest. I'd absolutely love to try it !
That sled will be all over ski resorts!
I just love how they kept the snowmobile look
This was a great, enthusiastic review with tons of information. Well done.
Hey Ken, I just want to say that was one of the most entertaining reviews I have seen from you in a long time. I could feel the excitement in your voice talking about this sled. You were so excited you just said whatever came to mind and I agree as much of a motorhead I am this sled looks great. There was several break out laugh moments here for me, thanks for that. So glad to see your passion for PowerSports has only become stronger. Well Done!
Hey Kent, sorry for poor keyboard operation. :)
Informative video as always. Would’ve liked a ride along clip to experience how quiet it is. Thanks for all the work you do bringing us your unbiased opinions on sleds we’d never experience.
Appreciate that. Another video coming this afternoon.
NEEEEEEEED the ride review Luke!
Stay tuned...
Your presentation for this new technology was very well done , and I think its really cool ! Thanks
Thank you very much!
The snowmobile I’m most excited to see in the last 10+ years. Can’t wait to try one and here the snow flying around me as a posed to a loud motor!
I love the taiga products, powerful, smart, flexible.
awesome review and cool sled.... thanks luke....
Just started watching that looks sick!
A wiser man than myself once said....."it ain't snowmobiling unless your coat smells like gas!"
I couldn't agree more.
And now it'll be ''it ain't snowmobiling if you don't get shocked (by the acceleration)'' ahahah
Well sledding already smells a lot different than it did when I was a kid. Times change
Taiga has been doing an amazing job with these
,,,,,,,yes,!,,,,,,,,,,,,well done,,,,,,,,because,at the end of the day......SnowTraxTV = all snowmobiles great and small...tnx,pat.
I wonder if they could do a solar charging setup, or some way to hook up a solar panel?
You can get fairly light roll up solar panels so you could take this out ice fishing for the day, throw the solar panel on and let it charge until you are done ice fishing
Love this idea
Imagine a 300 hp electric snowmobile the acceleration would be insane
The track will be a liability at that point
@@twincam103 why would it lol they are plenty of 300hp sleds withojt track issues. All thought i still think we wont see those taiga around until they get more exiting.
@@winkiiiie modern sleds have a cvt. I don't think the taiga does. It's just a motor right to the track. That's instant power. So if the track has too much grip you'll be stressing lugs and I can only image how bad studs could be. Right now taiga only is rated at 180hp. 300 could very well be too much.
@@twincam103 automatic torque limiting is dead easy for an electric motor. CVT not required. Just dial in how much torque you think your track can handle.
@@twincam103 i dont think youve owned many sled.. plenty of tracks rated for 300hp and guys run it with clutch kits no issue. So many 350 hp drag sleds with stock tracks.
Keep up the great job guys, you are without a doubt the best when it comes to snowmobiling
Really appreciate that!!
very well spoken my friend and it looks awesome.
This is the future, Glad to see it was built by a Canadian!
Lol the future? This company is going to go the way of Alta motors and their electric dirtbikes that were "going to change everything." Bankrupt. And can't wait to see it. I don't know a single mountain sledder who would bring one of these into the back country.
that looks sick! Really want to try it
This is a perfectly timed review Luke...😳.
“SHAWINIGAN and MONTREAL, March 26, 2021
Taiga, a leader in off-road vehicle electrification, has announced plans to build a mass production plant in Shawinigan, Quebec. The first phase of construction, slated for completion in 2022, represents an investment to accelerate mass production of snowmobiles, personal watercraft and side-by-side vehicles slated for 2022.”
“This facility, a part of the $185M in recently announced funding, will bolster Taiga into becoming a globally leading OEM for powersports vehicles,” said Samuel Bruneau, CEO of Taiga. “We have seen strong customer demand limited by product availability. This new facility shows Taiga’s continued commitment to be trailbreakers and offer electric vehicles capable of diving mass-market adoption without compromise.”
When’s the test ride review?
Hey man, i really appreciate how you cover pretty much everything in your videos, on all the snowmobile you try. pretty sure you make the best content out there on snowmobile test. It must of been a hard step for you to learn all this new technology. On the charger part, your comment was pretty accurate except i would of add that the CCS Port it's called, is separated into two categories, one is AC current for home and small chargers. And the bottom two pins is the DC fast chargers so for 50 KW chargers.
I wouldn't ever buy a electric snowmobile, I love the sound of the gas snowmobiles you can't beat it
I tend to agree but you may not have a choice in the future. I doubt I’ll live to see that day but there will be growing pressure to eliminate all IC engines except where absolutely necessary
I've been sledding (and motorcycling too) for 45 years.. Looking forward to not having to wear ear plugs under my helmet.
@@profdave2861 depends on the climate current electric batteries if you read the label freeze at -25c and you should have them in a warmer area when it go down to -50 this winter my neighbour wasnt using his tesla just his civic. what we will have is electric and hydrogen
@@polskiewinnipeg the lithium titanate batteries are good for much lower temperatures. I'd be surprised if taiga wasn't using these or similar. These are not normally used in a car as they are slightly more expensive, but the pack is a Lot bigger in a car, so the incremental price difference isn't much in a sled. We used our Tesla right through the winter, but it is the newest iteration from just before Christmas and has much better cold weather performance than the previous version.
@RmkFilmz 10 years? No way in hell.
20 years? Still doubtful but a lot more commonplace.
I ❤ snowmobiles. Close second is the drum and guitar stores
Dang! Can't wait to get our hands on one for Ice fishing!
Would have liked to seen the sled in action
Relax Dwayne
id like to see it in action
We'll have two features on Taiga posted next week. Stay tuned.
@@snowtrax how much range?
It definitely won't appeal to everyone but it would be neat to try. And it will definitely have it's place in the market.
Exactly. Well said.
Luke, like the introduction of the atlas. Questions, weight, runtime, cost would be of great intrest, thanks Vic
Get a real motor lol gas baby
About three hours then you’re screwed three hours from home
this is going to be fun to charge up in the trails
Must be like watching Pearl Harbour on mute.. The thing with snowmobile is the sound of full throttle. At least for me
Good job on the description!!
man if they developed an info center like whats on the polaris sleds...like for maps and group rides that would be awesome. thats about the only upgrade I could think of to add to this...but maybe the taiga info center is better? the future is here
Taiga motors will conquer the industry one day, I know it
Dunno about that but nice to see another player with new technology enter the market.
Great review! I love snowmobiles. I restore old ones, buy and ride new ones and am looking forward to what electric technology can bring to the sport. As always, I appreciate your open and honest input.
Once I have the money, I'm grabbing one of these.
In the future
Why wait? Easy term financing!
When you’ll have money they will double in price
I would love to test one out ! Looks awesome
Interesting sled. I’d love to know the range. Also, if anyone at Taiga is listening, there needs to be an on board storage area for a 110V charging cable.
Right on their website. 140km for performance and 103 on the standard model
@@06goatm6 This will vary by well over 50% depending on snow conditions. Its literally impossible to predict. I think those estimated numbers are a best case scenario on extreme hardpack.
What happens when its snows a foot of heavy wet snow overnight?
There's a frunk to store your charge cable
They made the spot on the chassis behind the seat so you can strap your gas gennie to it
Range? Do 200-300 miles on a charge? And weight. I get stuck, is this the end of my back?
Very interesting machine!! I wish you could have shown a quick ride to see how quite it is...I remember how the four strokes were said to be strangely quiet when they first came out and now almost zero Db. of noise!! I'm still old school triple/triple but it's interesting how far they have come in the last decade!! love SnowTrax TV. keep up the good work.....
Great overview...Wife & I want two of these....if they are equal or less than gas sleds.
I'm a bit apprehensive about being a first adopter. Warranty upgrades based on issues would make it an easy buy.
Was waiting..waiting...waiting for Luke to grab a helmet and show some footage of it's operation...alas no.
Like the gauge cluster..add 7S type NAV rider link option and I'm even closer to putting in an order.
Would want the 180hp version with a 146" track.
There is more coming on this sled, riding included. Stay tuned. Target retail price is $15 000 US. There isnt a 146. Just the 137 and 154.
@@pavmentsurfer13 I'd go for a 154...
$15k US...darn...was hoping 15k cdn.
Thx Luke.
This is all well and good but what we need to know and what no one is saying is what is charging times?how long can you travel in the different modes?
What really happens when you are using headlights and hand warmers,etc.?
Do we freeze to get where we want to go or ride in fear of not making it to our destination.
One can always siphon a bit of gas on the trailer to get you out of a situation but what do you do when your battery goes dead?
What is the life span of these batteries and is it worth replacing them or do you just scrap the sled?
What do you do with the old batteries when they are dead?
Sooo many questions and not enough answers.l hope you all do your research as you get all excited based on the comments so far.thank you
You will need to reassure people that they can take their machine to a remote camp for a week as long as they have a generator. Can it tow a sleigh and have a passenger seat?
Another great review guys! Absolutely beautiful sled, and I would love the opportunity to try one! I hope they do well! More manufacturers can only help with technology, and great new ideas that improve the sport.Thanks for the vid
Is there an overview on the Nomad anywhere? You guys mentioned the Curve XS skis and I'd be really curious to hear some detailed thoughts on how they handle.
Yes, you may have already found it on our channel by the time you read this.
Finally, I have been waiting for this since I saw you on the taiga tiktok
Awesome
one of the bonuses will be just like the electric golf cart ive had since 2008 is you will see more wildlife while your out in the bush and that always makes it better..stealth is cool
You will be VERY surprised at how much noise the track on a snowmobile makes. Definitely quieter than a gas sled, but not silent at all.
@13:47 sm i the only one who has ever been so hungover that i started my sled after it was running? lol
does it move? does it weigh 1000 lbs?, do you have to recharge it after 10 minuets? those are my questions that were not answered.
Then type them in google, not the comment section
Looks really amazing!
Sure does!
I began snowmobiling in the mid 70's, I recall all the negativity about oil injection, cuz I bought one of those Yamaha pups. All my riding buddies expected it to Blow up on those cold days. It didn't. Always hard to inject a new concept in any industry. Besides the range and cost there are two killers for myself. First thing - No pull start!! (HeHE) well that'll take gettin used to. 2nd - That beautiful rumble of the 800's coming to life, the smell of that great exhaust left on my snowmobile suit, giving that up? Well thats where I draw the line. I might as well go back to cross country skiing.
I agree this is not what we fell in love with its almost a different sport sort of
Excellent presentation what is the electric range ?
Answered a dozen times in the comments already.
do they make a special rack for a gas generator?
Great question!!
Very interesting! The big question is range and charging infrastructure. I can definitely see a big business case for a ski resort especially operating with a load and having electric motor torque at low rpm, and quiet operation.
Charging infrastructure isn't really that important unless you are wanting to ride several hundred kms a day. If it does 140 kms on a charge and u can plug it in over night to a 110v plug then that will be good enough for me. It will also charge in 2 hours on a 220v plug and 20 mins at an ev fast charger. I think most people think they ride further than they do but if you are a 300kms a day guy then it's not the sled for you at this time.
Also these things are not just for puttering around. The performance is stellar.
So here is a thought. Right now a snowmobile has CVT and your lucky if 60% of that makes it to the chaincase. Without a clutch in these the 120hp version on these should be similar to the 800 class sleds out now.
Powerloss through a CVT is approximately %15
@@pavmentsurfer13 its no where near that good on a snowmobile even with good clutching. Add in like 10% loss for chaincase and drive shaft and you end up with the typical track dyno hp 50% of engine hp.
This sled looks really good, with really good components, especially for a new company! The switch gear look identical to Arctic Cat's though! When the weight comes down, and range goes up on future models, these could be amazing!
Will be very cool to see the progression.
Are there heat exchangers still? I would assume so as it still generates heat.
My other "concern" would be say you do run out of battery or it malfunctions on the trail. Is there a way to disconnect the drive system for easy towing? Normal sleds we can remove the belt.
It does have a tunnel mounted heat exchanger. I dont know about disconnecting the drive for towing. I very much doubt theres a setting for that.
What is the projected mileage per charge? Per usual thank you very much for all the awesome educational footage you provide us. Would have loved to have seen some Footage of it in operation.
Ride footage is coming. Range is around 120-130km
Awesome thanks for the quick response.
I'm dying to see a performance review. Especially in a head to head with a comparable machine
Great review. How much does this weigh and in sport mode what're you looking for mileage?
Hey what about a audio mode to emulate a 2 stroke or 4 stroke idling or Turbo mode or a Braaap mode. That would be so cool and could also be used as a safety feature to let you know the sled is in ride mode. What does everyone think Yea or Nay ?
Nay, personally the solemn silence of the frozen trees is disrupted by the loud ass engine. Id love to only hear the wind whistling as I glide through the gnarled skeletal dedacious and the verdant snowcovered carniforus trees
@@OK-ws7ti 🤣🤣😂😂😆😆😁😁😛😛
So cool to see the industry moving in the future! Can’t wait to see you guys review the production model!
Those handle bar controls look really unique and great. I wonder if those were sourced properly from Honeywell....
Specifications? Weight? Range? One last thing......this is long overdue! The sport needs this !! As the world moves forward, so should the snowmobile industry.
You’d rather spend your money on power to charge these things instead of gas??
@@pajamatime5750 Gas causes more problems than it solves. Time for new technologies!
Top commenters debating!!! I feel like a proud papa!!!
@@oldwrench4213 There’s environmental impacts associated with power generation as well that need to be considered before picking a side.... Not to mention the convenience of taking gas with you as extra on a snowmobile trip.... I’m all for new tech but there’s some industries where that tech needs further development before we dive in.... I for one have ridden snowmobiles for 32 years and, even though current 4 stroke tech is great, wouldn’t consider anything but an oil burning 2 stroke that screams down the lake!!! That’s just me though haha
@@pajamatime5750 53 years for me riding. The value of technology rests with each individual. Like all, we go thru phases. I prefer clean and quiet over braaappp! The cost of any new technology is high. Costs will come down over time. The environmental impact with be far less with electric. The output will be noticed immediately. With it new riders will see the value of snowmobiles!
LOVE the looks. Paints beautiful. Design excellent. Would love to demo one. Price range? Dealership support? Home Charger cost? Range? The questions are endless really. BUT what’s important is a customer is interested
What’s the battery range ? And how long to charge ?
Great show. Thx
Please read the comments. This has been addressed several times.
@@snowtrax thx
How dose it handle? How dose it feel in the corners, is it heavy?
Au Québec 😜🧐, intéressant, la compagnie est déjà multimillionnaire, et le review est au Québec
Vive le Québec libre
Any idea what the pricing is going to be on these sleds and if there will be different length tracks on them.
Love every test video great info! One question as a southern ontario rider how do I become a snowtrax TV test rider?
I see a port for charging the machine but what about outlets for heated jackets and helmets?
It is awesome that 2022 season will see some new snowmobile blood in the lineup. Welcome Taiga and Lynx. I think the Taiga looks great. Does anyone know if it is coming to North America?
It s already here cause Quebec is situated in north america !
You can jump the border on it in sports mode easily
Can you do a full test on the utility one with the upgraded motor and battery with a trailer just like a trapper/ hunter would use
Very cool! How does it compare weight wise to other snowmobiles i wonder
Atlas is 597 pounds
Just over 700 pounds
Not bad at all! Thanks
@@wasupfool5692 No, its not.
Remember to add fuel and oil and coolant to your gas sled when comparing weights. This is comparable to any gas sled.
This would solve my problem of Polaris 800s grenading. Nice and quiet too.
These things will have so much less lifetime maintenance compared to a gas sled.
I would like to know the weight of these electric sleds? I can't seem to find the weights any place!
The day battery technology improves, I'll buy one. Also, I have Elka stage 4s ln my summit and these things come stock with stage 5!
Buying current models ensures r&d funding for new battery modules
How is it in the deep powder with 1,25 inch lug height then?
If it is cool, but looks not cool, then it’s less cool.
That spoke to me 😂
Lol... glad that one hit you in the feels.
It looks like a jet ski with skies
Does it come with the charging windmill or is that an option? Yes
Luke, your review of this was absolutely AMAZING! I am so happy you pointed out that Taiga built this from the ground up as a pure EV. I hate when car manufacturers release a electric car based off of an ICE platform 😐 Taiga, you guys have my full support and can't wait to see your sleds and upcoming side by side here in Wyoming!
Thank you!!
This was a good intro, but I’m really looking forward to a ride review. As you said, this entire sled is all new from a brand new manufacturer. « It feels and rides great » is just really broad. A full review on the GoPro while riding would be great. To hear it « running » and to talk about responsiveness, handling and suspension as you’re actually experiencing it. It’s necessary because many of us won’t have a chance to test ride this thing for a long long time.
They have ride reviews coming but it's also still the prototype version. The production sleds will be a bit better I would think.
Cool... My buddies tesla lost 30% battery sitting over night at my house this winter when it was about -15 or -20 Fahrenheit. He also said his battery life diminished greatly.
I'd be concerned about that in Minnesota where I woke up to -40 degrees several times and lots of below zero days and nights.
They have proprietary liquid heating/cooling technology to ensure optimal tempatures, generally if you dont leave it plugged it in overnight it will take 2% battery to optimize the battery temp before yoy ride but thats not much of a kick in the pants
This machine was designed in quebec, they know their share about dealing with the cold
Are we not going to talk about how the handlebar controls are from an Arctic Cat snowmobile.... Curious to know if this is just because it is a demo version or if they intend to use these in production?
Yeaaaaah, nice and all but I’d miss the 2 stroke smoke and the smell of my FXR gear after a ride!! Good review ST!
You could probably get a vape pen filled with your favorite smelling 2 stroke oil and put it into your inside upper jacket pocket. That way it would also migrate into your helmet while you ride.
This may create a market for two stroke insense. They could mount one of those little holders on the hood that could burn while u ride. Lol
Thanks for the info Luke. It’s an interesting concept but the deal breaker for most will be range which I didn’t hear you mention. Are the range specs available? Unless there is an entire power grid built in remote areas of the all provinces for trail riders and deep in the backcountry for the mountain riders I don’t see this technology taking off. Guess you can carry a 3000W generator strapped on the back to recharge along the way but that kind of defeats the purpose of an EV. Oh well power in North America is mostly from coal and natural gas so might as well keep burning gas. This will great for short distance riders but won’t suit the high mileage or mountain riding crowd.
Range is estimated at 120-130km under ideal conditions.
It has its niche in the market it doesnt need to dominate the whole sled market
Once they get the infrastructure issue down for these they have a ton of potential, for now i see these being useful as a sled you keep at the cabin, it isnt really there yet for long trips until the charging systems are availiable at public "gas stations"
Maybe I missed it but what range can we expect out of a charge? I know varying conditions will be a factor.. but sweet looking sled. The way things are going I think this is going to be a big deal
Range is claimed to be around 120-130km under optimal conditions.
I would LOVE to own one of these...I've been waiting to see what an electric Sled would be like and this more than meets my expectations.
Cool unit. Electric is exciting. The new Hummer EV truck is a good example. Decent range & huge power. Love the color of this sled. Overall look...so, so. It won’t trump an SRX on looks. Who is Taiga’s parent co/funding? I assume government/taxpayer involvement to some extent if only in an incentive basis. What is range (generally)? A snowmobile has a few different dynamics that an auto. Charging stations particularly in remote rural areas will be an issue. Mountain areas also. I’m not too worried about starting & other cold weather concerns. It wasn’t long ago when naysayers (incl a couple OEM’s) said a 4Stroke would never work in a snowmobile. Electric definately has a place tho & it’s exciting to see where it’s going.
Agreed. Polaris has Zero motorcycle technology and BRP just announce it is investing heavily in electric over the next 5 years.
“It’s gotta look cool.If it IS cool but looks not cool,then it’s less cool “………couldn’t have said it better myself lol
What was the price and also range of battery modes ?