I like how they patch out exploits IMEDEATLY!!! but when its some game breaking frustrating horrible issue that negatively effects the player base it stays for sometimes years. Fuckin horseshit.
It's literally the only "fast" way of making some decent amount of money in 3.24 for people like me with limited free time. thanks a lot for the vid! I'll get to get to do it immediately before they patch it!!
So the sad thing is that CIG will make another ham fisted fix for this and simply not allow salvage in the hangar...instead of doing a more fitting and social fix. What they SHOULD do is to simply give you a CS and force you to stop operations if you salvage your own ships... but allow salvage of actual salvaged ships.
@@fupu57 I’ve never tried salvaging but I was making 400k a trip on cargo selling beryl at orison, still doable but loading/unloading adds an hour to the trip now when it used to be 20mins per trip risking 1.5Milish of cargo. 30ks were really bad though so it was super risky lost full c2s of gold plenty of times
You all people have a totally wrong view of a dev, for a big company devs follow orders and maybe some ideas may pass in brainstorming, they also are not allow on deciding what changes will be added. This game is the clearest example of big dreams that are rushed, seniors are also minimized and marketing is the final boss making adding and optimizing code a daunting task generate and impossible mountain in tech debt. Besides, they don’t have a QA team to test all code changes also this type of team can be expensive, they found the marvelous idea to use people that ignore how the software industry work to test this game… Alpha and omega version are testing states before releasing the final product. RSI instead of paying for QA is making you pay a test of a broken and possible bad designed game system
I just checked and I can see that this has already been flagged multiple times and is in a confirmed state over on the issue council. As such, it will be resolved in time and anyone caught exploiting this could face a ban of upto several months, the gains will of course likely be removed.
Banning people for demonstrating the extent of how the game can be exploited in a fucking alpha is absolute insanity, nobody can justify how it is not.
@@UNiTEDDKSilent21 Well the last time a major exploit happened it caused major server issues, which in turn would have used up development funds and thus I am not even slightly surprised they did lots of bans. The other issue I suspect is that the exploits mess with their data gathering for working out in game commerce models (something which they've started to put lots of time into recently) and this again would cost development funds and man hours to sift through or even require a complete fresh set of data. TLDR: I do see your point on the alpha gameplay, however the way I see it, if it is costing them money due to people exploiting then I think bans are totally fair.
They need to just fix exploits as quickly as possible instead of having players that find them banned. Players can't be bothered looking up what's been flagged as an exploit. To be clear, I'm not defending players that exploit, I just think fixing the root of the problem is the best solution.
At first it seems like a good idea, but the risk of losing your ship in a silly way, like "randomly" exploding, needs to be resolved, otherwise it could hurt legitimate players that would then need to spend time earning the reclaim in-game currency for the ship.
@@Bubblegum_Ronin we should all be aware that insurance prices will likely go up in the future, along with times, but I agree, for now, there is too much risk. However, I'm not necessarily suggesting globally raising prices of reclaiming, simply making the reclaim cost more than the salvage is worth. Balancing that could both be lowering the resource value, resource quantity, as well as adjusting insurance. Without this balance, this will always be exploited. Even if they disable salvage within the hangar.
@@Anachroschismok, we're on the same page then, and I appreciate the clarification. Also once AI becomes more reliable, they could use it to counter insurance fraud in a more organic way. For example, and this is just one way and maybe not even a good one but off the top of my head, whenever a system check fails against insurance fraud (ie. is the ship owned - more on this in a sec), then a high percentage check can be made that a friendly AI "police" patrol shows up under the pretense to provide safety/escort to the salvager. If the police detect fraud while in the vicinity of the salvage, then a warning is issued, and escalating from there. While this most likely has its own issues, as it was a quick idea, I would like to see more creative solutions to the issues the game has the players experience. Let the players be "bad" and only restrict them through creative solutions. Like the new hangers coming up.. if someone doesn't belong there they get teleported away, but I'd prefer an automated gun watching the elevator entrance 😊.
i am hopping they will fix this and not make it so you can only have 1 ship in your hanger. cuse then i can just bring unclaimed ships into my hanger and scrap them like a god dam scrap yard business
I do not like this self salvage exploit. This should be an more strict insurance fraud crime stat or something. But I do like the idea of cleaning up landing zones.
Very cheesy way to make money, but it shows us how we coould move others into the hangar as well and salvage in the safe area of our hangar xD It is a great viiddeo and ii will make sure to show it some of my friiends, so they can use the magiic trick for their bank account (:
Was it? I'm actually glad to hear it...maybe lol. What did they do? Cuz here i was listening and thinking "damn it, I'll never never able to hit the market without it being flooded constantly". But i also really hope the fix didn't break things in the process
@@puppergump4117 you have a point there. I was just looking at a solo op where you would, as this guy did, claim your own ship in your own hanger. It would be hard to set up a check function to detect, say a Player friend parking a c2 in your hanger, and then stripping it. you could set this situation up. " If Ship is owned, by Player friend, and is parked in player A's hanger, and Player Friend claims ship, and Player A strips ship= Player A and Player Friend commits fraud goto fine error XXX code.
@@user-hq9fp8sm8f if pirates are a legitimate game loop, then insurance fraud has to be as well. If crime is good enough for the goose, it’s good enough for the gander.
If CIG takes this easy way out that will kill all salvaging. This result will hurt the people who look for ships at Mining Faculties and space station. At the moment finding ships at space stations and salvaging them etc. will be killed and this in turn will upset the salvaging player and cause player backlash. So yes it will be interesting how CIG may address this.
@@timteeling7348 oh no that means youll have to try to find a safe way to do things and interact with people in an MMO. They just patched the exploit...so go ahead and commence your tears on spectrum Ill be there to laugh at you
@@vik12D I did not know they could do that. I know they allow tractoring derelict ships out of around new babbage and mining stations to be salvaged. So they have a balance to walk between clean up and insurance fraud. Possibly they won't fix all of that by 3.4 because they have other larger things to fix.
@ttownscott Yeah, I can have my friend fly any of Mt ships from a station, fly to him in my Reclaimer, rinse, and repeat. This just cuts out having to leave a hangar. If they disable salvaging in a hangar, it'll just stay where it is now.
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I like how they patch out exploits IMEDEATLY!!! but when its some game breaking frustrating horrible issue that negatively effects the player base it stays for sometimes years.
Fuckin horseshit.
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Darn, was hoping to make easy money to offset the $40 mil plus I've LOST from game-breaking bugs and wipes!
What do you expect? Game breaking bugs don't hurt their revenue much if any, but money exploits will.
It's literally the only "fast" way of making some decent amount of money in 3.24 for people like me with limited free time. thanks a lot for the vid! I'll get to get to do it immediately before they patch it!!
So the sad thing is that CIG will make another ham fisted fix for this and simply not allow salvage in the hangar...instead of doing a more fitting and social fix.
What they SHOULD do is to simply give you a CS and force you to stop operations if you salvage your own ships... but allow salvage of actual salvaged ships.
and munching still works in the hangar after the fix 😮💨
"You want to play the game as little as possible while making number bigger?"
No it's alright, I'll actually play the video game.
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I would call it an oversight rather than an exploit... I mean the devs actually made it possible with their design decisions.
And you've been keeping an eye on it for a long time and unfortunately nothing happens 😵💫
Isn’t using an oversight that’s not intended for your own gain an exploit?
They just made it not possible, sooooo it was an exploit.
@@TheBearanormalRealmhow did they stop that being possible?
@@harf4ng Patched it, obviously
A creative way of using the personal hangars. I wonder exactly what CIG will be doing in order to prevent people from taking advantage of this.
They will simply nerf salvaging. No demand anywhere for RMC or not worth selling.
They will nerf salvaging.
Nerfing RMC prices 😱
some arbitrary method rather than actually fix this as an issue. Also issue out bans for people doing this, like normal.
It would be cool if we could have a chip shop in a hangar. Have a SRV bring ships
Yeah!
Thanks for the video 👍
😎😎😎
Were do you sell the construction mats?
On the admin consoles of the main planets 💪
Gameplay
Removed the Ability to Salvage While in Instanced Hangars. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Now that happened quickly 🤗 only the munching still works 😜
Thanks for this! NGL, it's cheesy, but this finally gives me something to do with all those Loaners that I don't want.
No more salvage in Hangar it is patched, great video by the way. o7
Fortunately, that was a quick fix now 💪
fUCK THEY BREAK THE GAME AND PATCH EZ MONEY GAYCITIZEN
Another buff to salvaghing, it was the most lucrative career in 3.23 already.
I heard cig will nerf it in 3.24. The probability of finding panels will be less, and the amount of rmc retrieved from them will lower.
Absolutely 💯
@@fupu57 I’ve never tried salvaging but I was making 400k a trip on cargo selling beryl at orison, still doable but loading/unloading adds an hour to the trip now when it used to be 20mins per trip risking 1.5Milish of cargo. 30ks were really bad though so it was super risky lost full c2s of gold plenty of times
You all people have a totally wrong view of a dev, for a big company devs follow orders and maybe some ideas may pass in brainstorming, they also are not allow on deciding what changes will be added.
This game is the clearest example of big dreams that are rushed, seniors are also minimized and marketing is the final boss making adding and optimizing code a daunting task generate and impossible mountain in tech debt.
Besides, they don’t have a QA team to test all code changes also this type of team can be expensive, they found the marvelous idea to use people that ignore how the software industry work to test this game… Alpha and omega version are testing states before releasing the final product. RSI instead of paying for QA is making you pay a test of a broken and possible bad designed game system
I hope CIG doesn't touch these mechanics.
Just make it financially non viable of which they plan.
still works?
only munching is possible in the hangar
Did they patch this?
Yes, that was fixed. only Munching still works in the hangar
Ultimately the idea is to be able to tow a broken ship to your hangar using an SRV or whatever and salvage and deconstruct it there.
I just checked and I can see that this has already been flagged multiple times and is in a confirmed state over on the issue council. As such, it will be resolved in time and anyone caught exploiting this could face a ban of upto several months, the gains will of course likely be removed.
I hope so 💪
Banning people for demonstrating the extent of how the game can be exploited in a fucking alpha is absolute insanity, nobody can justify how it is not.
@@UNiTEDDKSilent21 Well the last time a major exploit happened it caused major server issues, which in turn would have used up development funds and thus I am not even slightly surprised they did lots of bans.
The other issue I suspect is that the exploits mess with their data gathering for working out in game commerce models (something which they've started to put lots of time into recently) and this again would cost development funds and man hours to sift through or even require a complete fresh set of data.
TLDR: I do see your point on the alpha gameplay, however the way I see it, if it is costing them money due to people exploiting then I think bans are totally fair.
They need to just fix exploits as quickly as possible instead of having players that find them banned. Players can't be bothered looking up what's been flagged as an exploit. To be clear, I'm not defending players that exploit, I just think fixing the root of the problem is the best solution.
Update the costs of repairing and reclaiming ships to be more than the value of their salvage.
Good idea🤞
At first it seems like a good idea, but the risk of losing your ship in a silly way, like "randomly" exploding, needs to be resolved, otherwise it could hurt legitimate players that would then need to spend time earning the reclaim in-game currency for the ship.
@@Bubblegum_Ronin we should all be aware that insurance prices will likely go up in the future, along with times, but I agree, for now, there is too much risk. However, I'm not necessarily suggesting globally raising prices of reclaiming, simply making the reclaim cost more than the salvage is worth. Balancing that could both be lowering the resource value, resource quantity, as well as adjusting insurance. Without this balance, this will always be exploited. Even if they disable salvage within the hangar.
@@Anachroschismok, we're on the same page then, and I appreciate the clarification.
Also once AI becomes more reliable, they could use it to counter insurance fraud in a more organic way. For example, and this is just one way and maybe not even a good one but off the top of my head, whenever a system check fails against insurance fraud (ie. is the ship owned - more on this in a sec), then a high percentage check can be made that a friendly AI "police" patrol shows up under the pretense to provide safety/escort to the salvager. If the police detect fraud while in the vicinity of the salvage, then a warning is issued, and escalating from there.
While this most likely has its own issues, as it was a quick idea, I would like to see more creative solutions to the issues the game has the players experience.
Let the players be "bad" and only restrict them through creative solutions. Like the new hangers coming up.. if someone doesn't belong there they get teleported away, but I'd prefer an automated gun watching the elevator entrance 😊.
@@Bubblegum_Ronin "Stop right there criminal scum!"
All I need is a Vulture now 😅
i am hopping they will fix this and not make it so you can only have 1 ship in your hanger. cuse then i can just bring unclaimed ships into my hanger and scrap them like a god dam scrap yard business
Your Personal scrapyard 😎
I do not like this self salvage exploit. This should be an more strict insurance fraud crime stat or something. But I do like the idea of cleaning up landing zones.
Yes, cleaning up and using it should be possible 👍
And RMC will not be sellable due to too many players doing this 😂
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That's why i was honestly angry at this video. Was thinking "don't show everyone!"
Very cheesy way to make money, but it shows us how we coould move others into the hangar as well and salvage in the safe area of our hangar xD It is a great viiddeo and ii will make sure to show it some of my friiends, so they can use the magiic trick for their bank account (:
That was fixed fast
Was it? I'm actually glad to hear it...maybe lol. What did they do? Cuz here i was listening and thinking "damn it, I'll never never able to hit the market without it being flooded constantly". But i also really hope the fix didn't break things in the process
Thanks for uncovering exploits! That's how the game shouldn't work 👍
They removed this right?
Yes, that was fixed. but you can still do munching 😇
...nah, this is more of a insurance fraud then exploit :)
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If that were true it wont be patched...But it was just patched sooooo
Make Insurance Fraud Fines 200% of ship Value. Leave the ability to salvage in house. Problem fixed.
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How do you even detect insurance fraud? People will pay hundreds of thousands for other players to dunk reclaimers for them.
@@puppergump4117 you have a point there. I was just looking at a solo op where you would, as this guy did, claim your own ship in your own hanger. It would be hard to set up a check function to detect, say a Player friend parking a c2 in your hanger, and then stripping it. you could set this situation up. " If Ship is owned, by Player friend, and is parked in player A's hanger, and Player Friend claims ship, and Player A strips ship= Player A and Player Friend commits fraud goto fine error XXX code.
Only deaktivate salvadging in the Hangar and it is fixed
This would be the best solution
Where are all the people yelling exploit?!?
Because its now fixed 😅
Hotfix incoming
Hope so
Hope your reported this bug on the issue council? :)
Sure and its already fixed 💪
oNLY HOMOS DO THAT
Why do you hope they did? It's a fuckin game dude, lol. Imagine being a little snitch ass bitch over a game.
An exploit for the last 120 people that play this clunker
Citizen Con, biggest con in gaming ever
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Why give away this? some of us trying to do this quietly before its patched smh thanks guy
@@lordphoenix00 does it work with every hangar size?
Yes 🤞
Its a PTU dude lmao your account gonna be wiped anyway for live. Also It was just patched, commence your tears on spectrum lmao
I bet you duped cargo to, pathetic.
Not an exploit…
insurance fraud… perfectly within RP if you ask me
@@user-hq9fp8sm8f if pirates are a legitimate game loop, then insurance fraud has to be as well.
If crime is good enough for the goose, it’s good enough for the gander.
Something in between 🤞
If its not an exploit then it wont be patched...EXCEPT It was just patched lmao what a clown
@@TheBearanormalRealm You’re the clown I got it working again and now I’m Salvaging in the hangar
they will just nerf the shit outta RMC prices so it won't be worth doing is my guess as to how they will deal with it
If CIG takes this easy way out that will kill all salvaging. This result will hurt the people who look for ships at Mining Faculties and space station. At the moment finding ships at space stations and salvaging them etc. will be killed and this in turn will upset the salvaging player and cause player backlash. So yes it will be interesting how CIG may address this.
Unfortunately, this is an option that would be very easy to implement 😱
@@timteeling7348 oh no that means youll have to try to find a safe way to do things and interact with people in an MMO. They just patched the exploit...so go ahead and commence your tears on spectrum Ill be there to laugh at you
nice technique, not sure it will be viable when the game is released
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perfect gameplay loop for carebears and safespace nazis, now you can play SC with no risk and without any pvp. just stay in your hangar
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Hilarious. Pretty sure this won't make it to live.
Its what people were already doing. Take a Hammerhead out and salvage it with a Reclaimer.
@@vik12D I did not know they could do that. I know they allow tractoring derelict ships out of around new babbage and mining stations to be salvaged. So they have a balance to walk between clean up and insurance fraud. Possibly they won't fix all of that by 3.4 because they have other larger things to fix.
@ttownscott Yeah, I can have my friend fly any of Mt ships from a station, fly to him in my Reclaimer, rinse, and repeat. This just cuts out having to leave a hangar. If they disable salvaging in a hangar, it'll just stay where it is now.
@@vik12D this is different there's 0 risk. Your in a totally isolated environment. It needs to be fixed
@@Lazarus_Cain I can do it in the Aaron Halo belt with zero risk as well. Just takes me 30 seconds longer. There are bigger issues to fix and work on.
anti aliasing on this video is weird. lol, wtf did you do to the game. haha,
I finally have to change to Vulcan 😎
Yeah this is not good I already know I would see nobody to pirate out in space
I'm really curious what will be done about it after it was already known since the earliest EPTU versions 😅
@@MrKarolinger probably will be left behind (first feature than polish ) soon ™️
Exploit. Duping
This 👍
So that’s why my in-game bought vulture was the only ship that was gone in the new update 🤌
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