Restoring Sets of Norton IM313 Multi-Oilstones
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- Restoring Sets of Norton
IM313 Multi-Oilstones
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These make many of today's sharpening setups look like toys. I want one.
They are a nightmare to flatten. basically you have to replace the stones. Water stones are far easier.. But I agree, they do look amazing and I also want one 😊
In 69 or 1970 in popular mechanics was an article on sharpening knives. Mom always tossed her knives in the soapy dish water. She cut her hand on a knife and said I dont understand how these get so sharp. I said mom i sharpen them all the time for you.. that was the end of sharpening moms knives. Years later the old brake relining shop where I got my brake drums and rotors turned. The owner was busy. I ask can I turn them myself. The cutters were dull. So I sharpened them. The next day the owner called me and had me sharpen his entire box of cutters. That was a monthly thing for years.
I have to add to this story. Most shops who cut parts or materials fail to keep their blades in top shape. You'd think they would since that is their business but its not the case in many shops. This is where we have been divided when it comes to good service these days...the talent within these kind of shops has two problems, they don't use greatly talented employees and/or standards and they don't pay enough to attract those who have the talent to take the job.
We have a few high precision plastic injection mold companies in our area and the shop workers are NOT paid what they are worth therefore, employees roam from shop to shop to get the pay raises they have to have to deal with the high tolerances they do all day long. $18 an hour isn't enough when the job demands folks with talents worth $40.
Yes and a sharp knife is safer than a dull one every time.
That's such a neat story. Thanks for sharing. :)
Nice Story!
@@Garth2011 not for people who are only used to blunt knives. It is not using the knives that causes the problems, it is handling them. They toss a genuinely sharp knife in a sink full of dirty dishes and cutlery to wash up and they dont even feel the cuts when they stick their hands in the sink...
I’m trying to clean my late father in law’s Norton Multi Oil Stone. Thank you for your information. They are expensive!
8:54 One Mr. Rucker👎. Duly Noted.👍
The new tags look fantastic!!! Super job, Mr. Utley!
What awesome restores and great stories.👍👍😊
Keith I could listen to you all day. Another informative video from someone who actually knows his stuff.
Keep safe
Steve (UK)
Kieth.... All of us who have been watching your channel.... Feel like we know you....! Keep up the good work....
Great Video Kieth as a chef for 15 years I was able to use a set of nortons the first time I had the money to buy a "good" knife..best set of stones I have ever used.
Keith. Great video as ever. I have hot water in my shop. The supply is cold water and I installed a small immersion heater. The luxury of being able to wash your hands in warm water when in the shop is on a par with having compressed air. You can do without it, but life is much better with it. My advice, for what it is worth is to invest in a warm water supply with a sink.
Hi Keith, Boyle's & Charles's Law If two letters are touching each other, they have a direct relationship. That is, pressure and temperature have a direct relationship, and volume and temperature have a direct relationship. That means if one of them goes up, the other will go up, assuming the third variable is held constant. This very much applies to small cans of pressure for painting!
It wasn't his job, but my dad always did wonderful woodworking projects and an awful lot of his work involved chisels and lathe tools. I remember him having one of these Norton blocks in his shop. Each day he went to work in his first job he would turn the stones in their oil bath. It was part of his ritual after turning on the lights.
Beautiful restoration of a fine tool.
I was amazed at how the new tags matched up so beautifully with the new paint when you mounted them.
It completely changed them. Kind of like watching an old black and white movie and right in the middle of it they colorized it, they just came to life.
Nice, my parents use to own a small family grocery store that had a butcher department. I started working there after school in the 5th grade. One of my jobs was to sharpen his knives on a Norton three sided stone like these only the housing was plastic. Knives were as sharp as razors when finished on the steel. I would love to have one, a metal housing one would be the ultimate. There isn't a better way to sharpen knives. It does take some time to master the skill correctly, but they are amazing. Thanks for sharing.
I agree with you on the sprayer. Nice Job
When going to college in a little town in Texas, the local hardware store was a have everything a rancher or farmer or mothers would want store. They had a 3 stone on their counter and it was well used. Often the men would stand around it while awaiting for an order or passing time and admire each others knives. The Rocks are called Arkansas Stones - when in Geology class, I had a chunk there and cut out an irregular with two flats for my pocket. Rounded all edges and it was nice. In my tool box in the shop - some 50+ years of use. It was a Fine-Fine. Stone is named for locality like Lake Superior Agate !
A person who has a love for tools is more likely to let go of one of his favorites when he knows it will go to a good home... You love your tools... You care for your tools... Most importantly you breath new life into older tools...
Since Keith works with the museum, just knowing that his work might goof up small tool economies every once in a while. The knowledge of knowing these things are going to end up with better caretakers it's more than worth it!
I don't blame you, Keith. Given the choice between a cast iron case or a plastic one give me the cast iron everyday, twice a day! Nice set. I think that I'll have to look for a set for myself now, (And I didn't even know that I wanted one until I saw this video!)
beautiful restoration, this is the same sharpening set my high school wood shop had. loved seeing it cared for
Long time ago when I was in the RN, we had a warning put out about a similar type of spray system. The lads were so fed up of the can freezing that they worked with 3 or 4 in rotation, tossing the frozen one into a sink of hot water to thaw. Result? One sink blown off the wall when one overheated in the water. Luckily, no-one was hurt. They disappeared from the tool kits not long after.
Absolutely beautiful job.
Hi Keith, sorry to be a pain the the butt, you showed how you restored the stone holders not the stones themselves as you video was titled, none the less you did a good job restoring the holders
All the Wiltons , all the Iron Norton tri stones, Keith is going to win at the he who has the most tools game. :-) lol
Kinda like Lance as well. When you're rich....
He may have the most, but you're still far-and-away the leader of having the biggest. :D
@@StreuB1 Now you know why 10 minutes with the vet is a $90 bill....gotta pay for the toys, tools, ranch and stuff. Not taking anything away from Lance for sure, he's worked hard for what he has. Sometimes though I just think...REALLY? WHY!?!? LOL...as I look at what I have and say "yea, I just don't have the guts to pull the trigger on a $9500 LeBlond lathe that is in 1000 pieces"...because that's what a POS Machine in pieces, with many parts missing, goes for where I am. Sucks...oh, and no way to transport them. :(
@@brand-x7049 Biggest little channel on you tube! 😂
I’ve used Preval a bunch, they’re definitely better for small touch ups, not so much for spraying volume.
and I feel he had the button held down way to long. lift up every few seconds for a second.
Great job. Enjoy them!!!
Keith should have these out on a workbench when he gets back to hosting classes and meetups.
All of Keith's guests can leave with their pocket knives in better shape than when they got there.
Your honest review is appreciated and respected.
Very nice. You just inspired me to make a similar setup for my Japanese water stones. I'll cast aluminum and machine O ring gasket grooves to seal so I don't evaporate the water & add over center catches. "No spill feature!" The design will need to have the stones submerged until in the "use" position. If (big if) I manage to pull it off, I'll send you a photo.
Like no. 3 from Jakarta Indonesia 🇮🇩. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Love that Green. Beautiful job Keith
Very enjoyable video! I love to see these old tools in their original glory! Great job Keith! I saw several of these when I was a kid. I wish I would have kept track of them...
Very nice Mr. Rucker! Thanks for showing the process.
We use the Preval system regularly when we repaint electronic equipment panels. They work very very well. We use custom mix paints.
Great job. It can be hard sometimes to track down and match the original colors for machines/tools (having some issue with that myself atm) so it's great when you can find something the right match.
Yes, which is why I have a lot of Hammerite colours, easier to match after time has faded the paint, and also available pretty much world wide as well.
@@SeanBZA my current issue is "finding original paint without damaging it". The whole machine was painted over at some point, including painting over parts that weren't originally painted.
Who decided to name these things "Arkansas Stones" and not "Little Rocks"?
Everyone outside AR
Would you like it if I turned your Arkansas stone into little rocks?
Brings back memories of working in the kitchen we always had one of those in the office
Thanks for sharing! Yes, we had a western auto that had as sharpening set on the counter.
Have you ever tried to put spray cans in warm water before using them? The suggestion has always been to put rattle can's in water as hot as well come out of the faucet for 5 minutes ~140 deg, then shake them for a minute and then put them back in the water. The thinking here is that it gets the paint nice and warm and the gas in the can expands, which should make using rattle cans real easy. Mileage may vary, but something to try.
Arkansas stones are great. I have a few, and I live in Sweden. Also got some super cool Soviet sharpening stone that is extinct today. It was a rare mineral that they completely mined out, works great dough.
It's funny that "the grunt work" is something that I'd absolutely love to have the ability to do. Could you imagine how great it would be to study under someone that has the experience that Keith has? One year and you could gain a life time of experience. BTW Keith if that paint system doesn't work out for you try the "Critter" paint sprayer it is freaking awesome and uses Mason Jars. It is literally the greatest thing ever for spray jobs.
I bought one of these in 1972, It was Black in color. :-)
Nice restoration job. I’ve been looking for a set since your. First talked about them a few years ago. Still looking.
Very nice restoration !
I started off with oil stones in the 70's, never really liked them, witched to water stones by the early 1980's and haven't looked back since.
You might look at the purple handle sprayers that Harbor Freight sells. On sale you can get one for about 10.00 without the regulator or about 20.00 with the regulator in the handle. I thin oil based paint for the sprayer until I can hold the stir stick about 18 inches from the can and there is a thin unbroken stream. The clean up on those things takes about as much time as thoroughly washing out a brush.
The TH-cam channel Paint Society has some good videos on using and cleaning these guns.
Thanks Keith, wonderful restoration! Love your videos.
Hey Keith! Awesome video! Never saw Norton’s three stone system before. Watched the video and went right onto eBay and bought a vintage cast iron one. Can’t wait to get it and try it out!!
I have watched a couple of you episodes I like the way you do things
“Them stones, them stones, them Firestones”. Old Firestone advert jingle.🤗👍
Awesome resto - love the tags!
Last time I saw one of those was my first Navy command. The command stood up in 1938, and odds are that tool was one of the first items bought for the Tool Room. A klutz in the Tool Room dropped it on the hard concrete and the poor cast iron broke in like 3 parts and damaged 2 of the stones... they got a new one, just black plastic. The klutz busted the lid the first day and one of the stones, but the PO1 in charge of the shop still had the stones from the other one so he just put that one on, even if it had a chip. Nice units, very stable, almost wish I had one... almost.
Your PO must have been on an off day, as it would be very easy in a machine shop to simply repair the broken cast iron, after ordering the new one, and thus getting 2.
Very nice restoration. Iam also impressed with your collection of hammers in the back ground, you can never have enough hammers.
Nice set of stones you have!
I use that spray system. Bought mine from Home Depot. Works great.
THANK YOU...for sharing. Very nice Keith.
Lovely story, wonderful work!
Keith - you mentioned that you didn't have hot water in the shop. One idea is to use a little "point of use" 220vac water heater. Not very expensive. We have one in our hangar - works great for the little amount of hot water we need.
I have a set of these in my garage that I have never even looked at. I have had it for probably 10 years and it was given to me used. I think it is either plastic or bakelite.
Cheap Harbor Freight HVLP guns work fine and they are inexpensive enough to replace when they don't get cleaned well enough.
Yep I buy a bunch of them when they go on sale for 8 dollars. Use it and throw it away.
Regarding paint, if you hate the spray g*n, why not get yourself a second hand paint can filler machine? The shop that used to make me paint, closed up a few years back, and i happened to go, one last time, exactly when they were about to scrap the filler station. Bought it, and now i refill my own cans. Not going to lie, saying it's something you snap your fingers at, but i basically buy paint, the aerosol and that's about it.
Mind you, you can buy newer units, where you only buy the filled aerosol can and the filling kit. The whole thing, is no bigger than an old thermos bottle.
Give it a look, i think that for the amount of painting you do, having a filling station tucked away in the corner of the shop, is a perfect choice, certainly, you won't have to go in town to mix your paints or buy them, that's for sure.
We dont need another product to go into the landfill anyway, a little extra time with a sprayer avoids that.
Another project for Windhill Foundry?😊
Better make sure Clark is left room to breath, folks!
I would buy one. The plastic one is crap.
Thanks for the thorough review of the Preval System, Keith. Did some research a while ago: Lawson sells a high-solids Vista Green rattle-can product (no financial interest). Also my favorite color for machine tools!
When I was using those drive screws I was told to use a cup punch so you didn't put a dent in the head. But that was a lot of years ago. I am not even sure you can still get them it was like a nail punch.
That would be the ones
Hello Keith,
They are very nice things... I must admit I would love one...
Take care.
Paul,,
When I worked for Sea World San Diego back in the 80's we had one of those units in EVERY kitchen space in the park including the restaurant off premises. I guarantee that every single one of them just went in the trash at some point because the "19 year old weekend night assistant manager du jour" was told to clean up a space and didn't know what to do with the sharpening stone and was too stupid to ask.
I'd love a drawling of the case and holder be a fun pattern making project.
Once the stones are ground they are almost worthless for sharpening, It will work more like a strop that a sharpening stone. I used to sell the Preval sprayers and have used them in the past. They work good for small automotive touch up jobs. The freezing up issue has always been a problem for larger jobs.
Nicely done, Keith.
Very interesting Keith - and I like the way you pronounce the word oil (“oal”).
Keith,
Doesn’t matter the temperature it will always freeze, also that system usually spits water when it starts sweating your right not worth you money. As always enjoy your videos.
I love it! Keith has a Starrett bench block as a backup to drive the screw where the rest of us peasants would have to grab an old piece of 2 x 4! Is there anything he doesn't have?
He has all the coolest tools!!!
Glad you grind in the stone to pe perfectly flat. Grate work
I have used the Preval sprayers for applying release agents, both for fiberglass molds and for urethane casting. It works great for that. But for actual painting, you would be better off with one of the gravity fed spray guns that use disposable components. Like some use paper cups and plastic nozzles.
I am jealous, would love to have 2 of those with the same stones.
Those tags look really sharp!
KEITH, Yes, the plastic set up works but i have had two of the plastic sets and the plastic lid tends to warp Id like to find a cast iron set. Good job on the restoration
Jim Murphy
Those are cool, thanks.
In the event that a template (or old part) is not available, a strap hole finder is a great tool for transferring existing holes to new parts. I use them in aircraft sheet metal work.
The quarry the Arkansas stone comes from is at Malvern, Ark. which is about 15 to 20 miles from Hot Springs. The stone is novaculite and the Malvern quarry is the only known source for it. The color of the stone doesn't determine the hardness or coarseness of the stone.
Good Job Keith
The spray rig probably used a type of freon for propellant. I'll bet it will perform better at 80degF than 60. I first used one of these sharpening stone sets when I was a freshman in high school wood shop working on hand planer blades.
The new ones hold the stones by their sides, the old ones hold them by the ends. They can be over tightened and "warp" the stone.
Looks good.
i understand some paint stores can mix and put in spray can like you buy at lowes but custom colors
I remember sharpening my "stones"on Granpa,s knives
Lol
Most excellent
Keith,
My local NAPA will custom mix colors and put them in a rattle can. I have had good luck with them.
looks like the same green as your storage cabinet behind you
Many paint stores can create custom rattle cans for you. They're a bit expensive, but great for this type of project.
Have used Preval a lot and never had an issue with them freezing, yes they get cold but never had one lose pressure from it. Strange.
I'd truly love to have one of these sets. I'll have to see if I can find one. They look great, by the way.
My dad had one of those when I was a kid. I sharpened many of knives on that old stone. I don’t know what ever happened to it. It’s probably still at his, which my brother now owns.
I have had better luck with having my paint supplyer make rattle cans with custom color paint. Every Painted cabinet or trim job i do i supply the customer with a can. my paint supply store charges me around $10 a can , and I supply the paint, stain ,laquer etc. .
Thanks for sharing!
Very interesting. As usual, I learned a lot.
Very nice!
Good information,thanks for the video.
Mr Rucker. How much does it cost to have those beautiful tags made?
Or...what is the name and contact details of the person who made them. I certainly have a couple of tags that need to be remade.
Contact Tom Utley at www.VonIndustrial.com
What about drilling the can and attaching an airline, and use shop air. Nice work. ABOM will be jealous!
nice work