You did it again brother! Great content. I do a gang of as-builts and know exactly what your talking about with the manual tools and sketching. This is definitely an upgrade!!! Thank you Jesus and thank you Revit Kid!
This was a great video! I have had an Ipad Pro for several months now and have been playing around with a similar workflow for scanning a commercial building. I have found that the Ipad/Polycam are not very good at going through doors, around corners and such. So my workflow was to scan each room individually and then stitch the point clouds together in Revit. Fortunately we have an existing architecture dwg so I can place the rooms fairly accurately and trace that. This has been incredibly valuable as compared to verifying plans, RCP,s etc. with a tape measure. It is also much faster than a BLK 360 which takes 3-5 minutes for each scan location.
Yes, as I mentioned in the video... when you turn corners or go to other rooms you need to be very careful. Making scans of each and combining them is a great approach!
Good video taking us through this workflow Jeff. I use the Polycam app on my iPad Pro and experience the same usability & limitations you outline in our video. We use the Matterport Pro 2 and the Leica BLK360 in other, more applicable use cases. I fully agree with you that the LiDAR on the iPad & iPhone Pro's with Polycam app do in fact have a very valid use case. It works perfectly to deliver smaller projects accurately enough and still gain the much easier & shorter workflow from survey to as-built model & drawing set, compared to manual surveying.
Our firm used this on a recent project and it cost about 20 bucks to have a model processed and the accuracy when compared to hand measurements was incredible.
This is by far, one of the best video tutorial I have ever watched - From the introduction, the music and the good mood of the presenter! Congrats Jeff! You really make TheRevitKid channel catching. I didn't have the fun to join you all live for episode 66, but here I am April/2022. This video has brought me tremendous insites and has definitely added to my search I've started 3 months ago trying to find out how Iphone 13 Lidar works!!! I want to also thank Polycam to let me download the app for free! amazing! Anyway, the focus of my search was to create some sort of site survey Webpage and help people with their files? by providing than "basically" what you have just taught us? is this an idea? Thank you so much, I am in Brazil and you have just helped me loads. God Bless, Gleisson
@@TheRevitKid like furniture makers needs a site surveyor right? To take dimensions e build the furniture to the customers. You would be surprised here how many “Professional cabinet maker” make designs mistakes that are only found out at the time of installation. Therefore providing them with the opportunity (having the iPhone in hands) send us the scans they make so we can do the so called “processing” of the files to be sent back to them and be at disposal of their designer.. what do you think? Even in a small scale I can do for example the “site survey my self” or an extra service you know? What do you think? Thanks
Jeff? did I not expressed my self correctly? did you understand what I'm trying to say? Do you believe that by doing what you said in this video, i can get the accuracy good enough to work with kitchen cabinets? Many thanks
@@29Gleisson if you’re asking for affirmation then by all means go for it ! If you believe there is a market for it in your area and this process will help, do it !
@@TheRevitKid wow! Yes great answer! Thank you so much! I will try to find a nice niche for this technology here in São Paulo-Brazil, if works well, I will get back in touch. If this works, many people may be using Polycam to do the scans, and maybe I can have an office just to do the post processing for them! Thanks again! All the best
Jeff thank you for all of your content. Succinct and to the point. I am a BIM Manager with an Engineering firm in Prince George BC. 11 years now as a BIM Manager. I have some pretty neat workflows and process I would love to share. I speak as an adjunct professor outside of my daily Engineering duties at colleges and Uni. Cheers Pal. .
Not sure if this was mentioned before but you can use targets on the floors, walls etc to create better connections between room scans and alignment, similar to overlaps. You can use these targets to align your point clouds in Recap which can then give you different export options, etc. from Recap for larger projects.
It’s range is less than 16’ if your holding it from head height… the LiDAR can go much further but the accuracy drops off so the points are deleted. One thing we need to keep in mind is good looking does not mean it’s accurate with SLAM. Would you be interested in doing a comparisons with an iPhone, RTC360 and VLX. Let’s say a 3,000sqft house inside and out. I have all the gear stated.
I tried this app. It captures the architectural parts with clear. But its really difficult to scan mechanical pipes on the ceilings (open ceiling). Even the pipes on the wall are not scanning as good and difficult to draw in revit. Did I miss something while scanning ? Any information to scan the pipes on the ceiling.
The biggest improvement these app developers can implement is a scale bar function for large/long duration scans. I don't think its any stretch of the imagination that people will have a tape or laser disto with them to be able to place a fixed distance over a large wall to then scale the point cloud created. Having tested polycam and being disappointed prior to their 20th nov update about larger scans crashing while processing I switched to scaniverse which handles large scans but is not really that great for a point cloud production (v/low point count) but their meshes and textures are great for some context for draftsmen. I will try polycam again now that they have an update to address the crashing, fingers crossed it works as I like to use the point cloud to aid UAV photogrammetry around complex structures
They did release a web version of their photogrammetry tool, perhaps that will be your solution? If not, there are a lot of really complex tools for aided UAV photogrammetry out there, too.
@@TheRevitKid I have access to Bentley's ContextCapture, i was just hoping I could use the lidar on the phone to aid my surveys, I can use scaniverse however the pointcloud is quite sparse in comparison
@@westcoastaerialimagery4690 - I am not sure the iPhone LiDAR and Polycam are designed for such large scale surveying I think you are talking about...? Maybe?
@@TheRevitKid I'm only scanning a wall though, less overall distance than a house or what you have shown in your video, nothing large scale, when they demonstrate it being able to do a building façade I expect to be able to replicate that but you can't, the app still crashes when trying to process it at any meaningful level of detail, it's a shame that they release the video scanning an entire abandoned gold mine and all the interior scans using the app but reality is the app isn't reliable I'd love for it to work as advertised and will keep checking in on it but their promo vids vs reality are chalk and cheese at the moment :(
Hi! Thank you for the videos, they are incredibly helpful. Now I have the following problems> 1. I have made the capturing of our house, but I did them room by room. When I open them in Recap the model is tilted, after I imported it in Revit I could rotate it, but then I found out that it was not in scale with my Revit Model. What should I do in order to have the correct units? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Eva
You can rotate it as long as you are in the correct orthogonal view (ie. South elevation). As for scale, I assume you did a photo capture and not LiDAR? That means you either need to scale the scan in polycam or in Revit.
Hello and congratulations on the channel, I wanted to ask you if I should recommend a device between iPhone and iPad 11 pro which one would you recommend me to make a survey through a cloud of points with lidar technology? Obviously I am not interested in having a millimeter precision, I know that in this field we need a professional instrumentation. Thank you
@@TheRevitKid Yes I know but I don't know whether to buy the 14 pro max or an iPad 11 pro for a lidar relief what can be the pros and cons of the two devices which one would you recommend if I had to buy one?
Thanks for the great videos do you have one that shows how to make a video floorplan wire frame diagram from a Polycam PTS file that was that was downloaded into Revit and I need to make that 3-D poly Cam point cloud into a wire frame floorplan do you have any videos like that
@@steveeasterly3466 You simply bring in the point cloud, make sure it is scaled, and then you can see the point cloud in all of your views including floor plans. All that being said, I do have a video coming out soon where I dig a little deeper into how I MODEL FROM a point cloud.
Yes, this still 100% works! You may need the professional license of Polycam to export to .PTS or other formats. I think its something like $7 / month?
That depends on a lot of factors... Distance, quality of photos and scanners, and so on. For this particular case study, a combination of ALL three is a great recipe for success.
I’m sorry this upset you so much… but, it was a live stream and I have convenient chapters marked … you could easily click “step 1” on the time stamps … thanks for tuning in, regardless !! 😁
You did it again brother! Great content. I do a gang of as-builts and know exactly what your talking about with the manual tools and sketching. This is definitely an upgrade!!! Thank you Jesus and thank you Revit Kid!
Cheers man!!! Thanks for tuning in!
Simply AWESOME content !!
Glad you think so!
This was a great video! I have had an Ipad Pro for several months now and have been playing around with a similar workflow for scanning a commercial building. I have found that the Ipad/Polycam are not very good at going through doors, around corners and such. So my workflow was to scan each room individually and then stitch the point clouds together in Revit. Fortunately we have an existing architecture dwg so I can place the rooms fairly accurately and trace that. This has been incredibly valuable as compared to verifying plans, RCP,s etc. with a tape measure. It is also much faster than a BLK 360 which takes 3-5 minutes for each scan location.
Yes, as I mentioned in the video... when you turn corners or go to other rooms you need to be very careful. Making scans of each and combining them is a great approach!
Good video taking us through this workflow Jeff. I use the Polycam app on my iPad Pro and experience the same usability & limitations you outline in our video. We use the Matterport Pro 2 and the Leica BLK360 in other, more applicable use cases. I fully agree with you that the LiDAR on the iPad & iPhone Pro's with Polycam app do in fact have a very valid use case. It works perfectly to deliver smaller projects accurately enough and still gain the much easier & shorter workflow from survey to as-built model & drawing set, compared to manual surveying.
Cheers! Thanks for tuning in and sharing your experience !
A telescopic selfie stick is a very useful addition if you are into larger edifices like industrial buildings. Also helps for exterior scans.
Great tip! That would help for sure!
Our firm used this on a recent project and it cost about 20 bucks to have a model processed and the accuracy when compared to hand measurements was incredible.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing your experience! Cheers
Thanks so much! Very good explication!
Glad it was helpful!
This is by far, one of the best video tutorial I have ever watched - From the introduction, the music and the good mood of the presenter! Congrats Jeff! You really make TheRevitKid channel catching. I didn't have the fun to join you all live for episode 66, but here I am April/2022. This video has brought me tremendous insites and has definitely added to my search I've started 3 months ago trying to find out how Iphone 13 Lidar works!!! I want to also thank Polycam to let me download the app for free! amazing! Anyway, the focus of my search was to create some sort of site survey Webpage and help people with their files? by providing than "basically" what you have just taught us? is this an idea? Thank you so much, I am in Brazil and you have just helped me loads.
God Bless,
Gleisson
Cheers and thanks for the kind words!! I am not sure what you mean by site survey web page? Can you be more specific ??
@@TheRevitKid like furniture makers needs a site surveyor right? To take dimensions e build the furniture to the customers. You would be surprised here how many “Professional cabinet maker” make designs mistakes that are only found out at the time of installation. Therefore providing them with the opportunity (having the iPhone in hands) send us the scans they make so we can do the so called “processing” of the files to be sent back to them and be at disposal of their designer.. what do you think? Even in a small scale I can do for example the “site survey my self” or an extra service you know? What do you think? Thanks
Jeff? did I not expressed my self correctly? did you understand what I'm trying to say? Do you believe that by doing what you said in this video, i can get the accuracy good enough to work with kitchen cabinets? Many thanks
@@29Gleisson if you’re asking for affirmation then by all means go for it ! If you believe there is a market for it in your area and this process will help, do it !
@@TheRevitKid wow! Yes great answer! Thank you so much! I will try to find a nice niche for this technology here in São Paulo-Brazil, if works well, I will get back in touch. If this works, many people may be using Polycam to do the scans, and maybe I can have an office just to do the post processing for them! Thanks again! All the best
Jeff thank you for all of your content. Succinct and to the point. I am a BIM Manager with an Engineering firm in Prince George BC. 11 years now as a BIM Manager. I have some pretty neat workflows and process I would love to share. I speak as an adjunct professor outside of my daily Engineering duties at colleges and Uni. Cheers Pal. .
Cheers! Thanks for tuning in!
On the drone comment - photo mode works pretty well with drone video if you export frames.
Cheers! Thanks for the info!
FIRE!!!!
Cheers!
Not sure if this was mentioned before but you can use targets on the floors, walls etc to create better connections between room scans and alignment, similar to overlaps. You can use these targets to align your point clouds in Recap which can then give you different export options, etc. from Recap for larger projects.
Brilliant
Cheers Trevor!
Does Lidar let's you export as a VR image?
Have you ever tried in a person's face to make a 3d model?
Cool video thanks.
It’s range is less than 16’ if your holding it from head height… the LiDAR can go much further but the accuracy drops off so the points are deleted. One thing we need to keep in mind is good looking does not mean it’s accurate with SLAM.
Would you be interested in doing a comparisons with an iPhone, RTC360 and VLX. Let’s say a 3,000sqft house inside and out. I have all the gear stated.
Good points! Thanks for tuning in Daniel.
Amazing! Thank you for all the great videos.
Do I need to pay to pro version to be able to export to pts?
In my iPad Pro I can only export to video
Yes! The pro version allows extra export options.
I tried this app. It captures the architectural parts with clear. But its really difficult to scan mechanical pipes on the ceilings (open ceiling). Even the pipes on the wall are not scanning as good and difficult to draw in revit. Did I miss something while scanning ? Any information to scan the pipes on the ceiling.
Hello!
Can you create floor plans using Polycam?
Thanks.
The biggest improvement these app developers can implement is a scale bar function for large/long duration scans. I don't think its any stretch of the imagination that people will have a tape or laser disto with them to be able to place a fixed distance over a large wall to then scale the point cloud created. Having tested polycam and being disappointed prior to their 20th nov update about larger scans crashing while processing I switched to scaniverse which handles large scans but is not really that great for a point cloud production (v/low point count) but their meshes and textures are great for some context for draftsmen.
I will try polycam again now that they have an update to address the crashing, fingers crossed it works as I like to use the point cloud to aid UAV photogrammetry around complex structures
Can confirm that the update to fix the crashing has not fixed the crashing, shame
They did release a web version of their photogrammetry tool, perhaps that will be your solution? If not, there are a lot of really complex tools for aided UAV photogrammetry out there, too.
@@TheRevitKid I have access to Bentley's ContextCapture, i was just hoping I could use the lidar on the phone to aid my surveys, I can use scaniverse however the pointcloud is quite sparse in comparison
@@westcoastaerialimagery4690 - I am not sure the iPhone LiDAR and Polycam are designed for such large scale surveying I think you are talking about...? Maybe?
@@TheRevitKid I'm only scanning a wall though, less overall distance than a house or what you have shown in your video, nothing large scale, when they demonstrate it being able to do a building façade I expect to be able to replicate that but you can't, the app still crashes when trying to process it at any meaningful level of detail, it's a shame that they release the video scanning an entire abandoned gold mine and all the interior scans using the app but reality is the app isn't reliable
I'd love for it to work as advertised and will keep checking in on it but their promo vids vs reality are chalk and cheese at the moment :(
Hi! Thank you for the videos, they are incredibly helpful.
Now I have the following problems>
1. I have made the capturing of our house, but I did them room by room. When I open them in Recap the model is tilted, after I imported it in Revit I could rotate it, but then I found out that it was not in scale with my Revit Model. What should I do in order to have the correct units?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
Eva
You can rotate it as long as you are in the correct orthogonal view (ie. South elevation). As for scale, I assume you did a photo capture and not LiDAR? That means you either need to scale the scan in polycam or in Revit.
Great content! Is there any aplications that can convert a scan to IFC?
You can’t go direct to ifc from polycam but any program that can’t bring in a mesh or point cloud that has the ability to export to IFC should work …
Recap (free) vs. Recap Pro (paid): if all I have to do is open and save with Recap, is the free version adequate to do the job?
How accurate is this iphone scan compared to a traditional site measure? E.g capturing actual width and heights of rooms and door/ windows?
I use Moasure
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I was wandering if use a DJI gimbal to scan stationary how precise the iPhone lidar can be.
Cool idea... not sure if the stability of the device matters with the way the software triangulates as it scans...
Yes it does. Around 5 cm more accurate
Hello and congratulations on the channel, I wanted to ask you if I should recommend a device between iPhone and iPad 11 pro which one would you recommend me to make a survey through a cloud of points with lidar technology? Obviously I am not interested in having a millimeter precision, I know that in this field we need a professional instrumentation. Thank you
Thanks! You need the pro model of iPhones for the LiDAR Scanner… not sure about 11 pro but I know 12 pro and beyond all have LiDAR Scanner.
@@TheRevitKid Yes I know but I don't know whether to buy the 14 pro max or an iPad 11 pro for a lidar relief what can be the pros and cons of the two devices which one would you recommend if I had to buy one?
@@198000669 as long as it’s pro it doesn’t matter … one’s a phone ones an iPad … the LiDAR is the same on both.
Hi, your video is very good.
Is it possible to use Lidar sensor and convert the file to dwg?
To use in autocad 3D
Thanks
Yes, you can export to many different formats that AutoCAD can read.
Thanks for the great videos do you have one that shows how to make a video floorplan wire frame diagram from a Polycam PTS file that was that was downloaded into Revit and I need to make that 3-D poly Cam point cloud into a wire frame floorplan do you have any videos like that
If you have a video that shows how to model a pts file in revit to a wireframe usable floor plan I will definately gift you a $100
@@steveeasterly3466 You simply bring in the point cloud, make sure it is scaled, and then you can see the point cloud in all of your views including floor plans. All that being said, I do have a video coming out soon where I dig a little deeper into how I MODEL FROM a point cloud.
PolyCam is on Android, but I don't think it has access to the lidar yet
Is pts file and photo scan a structured scan?
Not 100% sure what you are referring to as far as structured scan?
Is this process still up to date? Only Polycam export options I have are dxf and blueprint. Not sure what blueprint is. Revit won't open the dxf.
Yes, this still 100% works! You may need the professional license of Polycam to export to .PTS or other formats. I think its something like $7 / month?
What’s more accurate for using the scan for measurements? Photogrammetry or LiDAR?
That depends on a lot of factors... Distance, quality of photos and scanners, and so on. For this particular case study, a combination of ALL three is a great recipe for success.
can we lidar on road construction?
Sure... Probably wouldn't want to use a phone for that ... A real laser scanner would be much more accurate.
Hi. Where can i bye IPHONE 12 for Russia?Or with shipment to Russia, is it not expensive?
No clue.
Why did it take 13 minutes to get into this. I kept fast forwarding and you still didn’t get to the point
I’m sorry this upset you so much… but, it was a live stream and I have convenient chapters marked … you could easily click “step 1” on the time stamps … thanks for tuning in, regardless !! 😁
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Why in 2022 we still have silly thumbnails?
Why’d you click it?? 😂😜😜
extremely long winded