Hello as a wedding photographer with some video at times how would this camera handle the outside temperatures? I wished I could find an actual video that shows outdoor use with this overheating test
The trouble is there are so many variables involved. That's probably why not many people have done tests like this. It depends on what card you are using, the video format you are recording in and finally your ambient temperature. They all play their part. Are you looking at Nlog 12 but Raw 4K or 8K? What card are you thinking of using and how long are you recording for roughly and in what temps? That would give a good indication then.
I normally just shoot at 4k 30p to 120p anything higher than that for what I do would be an overkill. Temps I would say anywhere from 75 to 105 degrees in direct sun especially when shooting the ceremony. About 1 hour long straight shooting. As far as card I’ve heard shooting on a fast enough SD card would be fine but I haven’t seen it yet. So a good test would be on the CFExpress and SD card.
@@rubenramirez8241 a good SD will handle 4k30p alright for an hour you should have no issue then. The ambient temp is the slight worry though. As I am living in Ireland we don't have temps that high. I am guessing your best bet is the Nikon filmmakers group on Facebook. They should be able to share more insight with you there as I know there are a good few Z8 shooters in there from all around the world. Fingers crossed they can give you a definite answer.
That will work alright but it only outputs up to 4k 10 bit 4.2.2 Nlog via the HDMI output, it kind of takes the advantage out of the raw 12 bit internal recording though.
Why do you focus on the hot card warning instead of the hot camera/cpu warning? Try to test recording in 4K H.265 60p with oversampling enabled - this is the most useful and at the same time demanding recording setting. Since the CFExpress card heats up even if not used in Z8, take out the CFExpress completely and use an SD card for recording.
Hi thanks for watching, I focus on the hot card warning as this video is all about getting heat out of the Z8 so I tested it at 8K60P which is the same as 4K60P with oversampling on. At ISO 4000 and a constantly moving subject the processor was also being seriously stressed but as I say it's all about getting the heat out and seeing how much of a difference the modification makes. Its not my modification, I just purchased it and wanted to share what I found. Thanks for the input 👍
@@kieranhayesphotography I have been in contact with the creator of this modification part, who has presented to me many interesting insights into the problem. I am also considering ordering the part from him, since it seems like the best overall modification to alleviate the heat issue. My request to test with these specific settings is for me to know how the modification improves my specific usage of Z8 with the modified part applied. I do on occasion long continuous recordings on a tripod where the camera shuts down if oversampling is enabled. I would love to see an independent test of such use case - before it gets too hot, the camera is turned off for 2 minutes, or alternatively, the oversampling is turned off and a new recording is started right away, then after 15 minutes the oversampling is turned on again and a new recording started right away. Will the modification transfer the heat out from the camera to the tripod fast enough?
@@kotolows That's a good question and I see why you are asking now. I am looking at cooling via the HDMI and USB C ports also and I hope with the base plate and these options also used it will seriously help with heat then and we can forget about it in most use cases. The big problem for me is I need to do each test at least 3 or 4 times and I need to let the camera cool down for hours in between so I can be sure of the results. That's all time I don't really have these days as I have tons of shoots on these days. I plan to do a lot more testing soon and I know I sort of neglected 4K this time but it took me nearly a week to make that video 😢
The battery grip doesn't help with the hot card warnings, I haven't tested them yet but a friend of mine has and he said it makes it slightly worse as the heat can't get out of the camera body as easily then. The plastic in the grip insulates the underneath of the camera so it's one less surface to dissipate the heat then. As I say I haven't tested it myself but that's what I was told by someone that tested it.
Good video! i like this plate but, I don't know if I want to put thermal paste in my beautiful Nikon Z8...ahah but I'm not against a thermal pad if it works as well, very thin of course. But for the price i prefer use, Zitay Cf Express to SSD, no limit...until now.
Hi, thanks for watching and the feedback. Yes, thermal pad would also work the only concern I had with a pad is that it might interfere with the weather sealing of the camera. I never tried the CF to ssd adaptor but I know a few people have mentioned it alright. Are the data transfer rates high enough from the dummy card? I must look into that a bit more.
@@kieranhayesphotography In any case for use on a gimbal or a tripod, the SSD via the CF express port works rather well, because the only problem in my opinion is that the door remains open, I don't see too much of a problem with in any case the Samsung 980 or 990 pro 2TB or 4TB SSDs.
Hello sir , saw the video and it's one of the most finest videos discussing about overheating issues of Z8 , my question is what about external cooling fans to cool the Z8 ? Is it compatible on the Z8 ? BTW Love your videos....
Thank you so very much for your kind comment and for watching. I am looking at cooling fans, presently there is no fan that fits the Z8 though and the magnetic phone cooling fans won't stick to the Z8 properly. I am also looking at one other modification that's easy enough to make yourself that will hopefully help cool the camera even more. I will pop up another video on that when I get time to test it out properly over the next week or two. Thanks again.
Good Have you tried using another CF Express B card? In my case I used the same card you used, it heated up after 30 seconds of film. Replace with the ANGELBIRD card CFexpress AV PRO SX Type B 160 Gb card, this message didn't appear again, I don't have another card from this brand bigger than this one. But still the z8 camera, if it's outside in the sun, it will heat up like larva...
Hi, thanks for watching, I appreciate the feedback. I am thinking your Prograde Gold card could be the older generation card, the card I am using here is the Gen 4.0 card and they are a lot faster and more thermally efficient thankfully. The older cards overheated very quickly alright. I am looking at testing a few more cards going forward to see how much of a difference there is between them, I just need to get my hands on a few different makes now.
Cool idea! All I can advise is to make a part out of copper and a cage out of copper! Another idea is to try removing the battery and charging the camera only via USB C. Also, since the CF is heating up, you can insert a dummy with a battery into the CF Express slot, as you did th-cam.com/video/tNTI31kBgiM/w-d-xo.html. And please, could you compare it with your ND filter th-cam.com/video/vWSHovOhJ18/w-d-xo.html when it goes on sale? I wonder who has less color distortion!
Copper would be great for the cage but it would be incredibly expensive to make it. Most cages need a 10k plus unit sales figure for the investment in casting and moulding to be paid back. I am not sold on the dummy CF Express cards. I don't like the cable and fiddlyness of it. It would help alright though to help keep the camera cool. Somebody else commented about that on another video and I asked them to let me know how they got on and I never heard back from them. I was asked to review a VND filter from them a while back, I think it was a different one though. There are loads of VND filters out there and unless it ends out on my desk I won't be looking for it. I have more than enough to keep me busy these days. Thanks for the input and have a great week.
@@ggdfggdfgdffgfddg34 I see the Z8 as an amazing hybrid camera and while the Z6iii is a really good video camera, I would think the Z9 is the best video camera by far out of the Nikon lineup with 8k video making it ideal for serious cropping and post production work it's a power house for anyone seriously into cinematography. The larger body also seriously helps to throw out all that heat then too. The Z6iii is amazing if you don't need 8K though but more and more clients are looking for it now for future proofing their content.
@@kieranhayesphotography Thanks for your opinion, yes, the Z9 made of magnesium alloy doesn't get as hot, just for serious production, the Z8 and Z6III are better options because of the shape of the body, it's easier to stabilize them on a gimbal, but of course it's a shame that the Z8 didn't have a built-in fan, then the Z6III wouldn't be needed!
Good question but maybe it's because Canon have traditionally had a lot of hybrid or video shooters buying their cameras whereas Nikon are mainly photographers or where anyway up until a few years ago. There is no real issue with overheating when taking stills. Unless you are in high temps of course.
@@kieranhayesphotography Overheating is a video thing. Even the R5II is being questioned for overheating. The Z8 does the same-thing or maybe even worse compared to Canon.
@@Vladi_mir_M Hi, no I never delete comments unless they are really offensive or spam. It's still there. Sorry had a busy day, but yes Nikon doesn't get as much hate for overheating alright.
You can view my original Video on Nikon Z8 cooling here... th-cam.com/video/RDC_ZZKqtxk/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for going to so much trouble to show this.
Thanks for watching 👍
Hello as a wedding photographer with some video at times how would this camera handle the outside temperatures? I wished I could find an actual video that shows outdoor use with this overheating test
The trouble is there are so many variables involved. That's probably why not many people have done tests like this.
It depends on what card you are using, the video format you are recording in and finally your ambient temperature. They all play their part.
Are you looking at Nlog 12 but Raw 4K or 8K? What card are you thinking of using and how long are you recording for roughly and in what temps?
That would give a good indication then.
I normally just shoot at 4k 30p to 120p anything higher than that for what I do would be an overkill. Temps I would say anywhere from 75 to 105 degrees in direct sun especially when shooting the ceremony. About 1 hour long straight shooting. As far as card I’ve heard shooting on a fast enough SD card would be fine but I haven’t seen it yet. So a good test would be on the CFExpress and SD card.
@@rubenramirez8241 a good SD will handle 4k30p alright for an hour you should have no issue then. The ambient temp is the slight worry though.
As I am living in Ireland we don't have temps that high. I am guessing your best bet is the Nikon filmmakers group on Facebook. They should be able to share more insight with you there as I know there are a good few Z8 shooters in there from all around the world.
Fingers crossed they can give you a definite answer.
What if you record on an external SSD drive on a Atomos ninja ?
That will work alright but it only outputs up to 4k 10 bit 4.2.2 Nlog via the HDMI output, it kind of takes the advantage out of the raw 12 bit internal recording though.
Why do you focus on the hot card warning instead of the hot camera/cpu warning? Try to test recording in 4K H.265 60p with oversampling enabled - this is the most useful and at the same time demanding recording setting. Since the CFExpress card heats up even if not used in Z8, take out the CFExpress completely and use an SD card for recording.
Hi thanks for watching, I focus on the hot card warning as this video is all about getting heat out of the Z8 so I tested it at 8K60P which is the same as 4K60P with oversampling on. At ISO 4000 and a constantly moving subject the processor was also being seriously stressed but as I say it's all about getting the heat out and seeing how much of a difference the modification makes.
Its not my modification, I just purchased it and wanted to share what I found.
Thanks for the input 👍
@@kieranhayesphotography I have been in contact with the creator of this modification part, who has presented to me many interesting insights into the problem. I am also considering ordering the part from him, since it seems like the best overall modification to alleviate the heat issue. My request to test with these specific settings is for me to know how the modification improves my specific usage of Z8 with the modified part applied.
I do on occasion long continuous recordings on a tripod where the camera shuts down if oversampling is enabled. I would love to see an independent test of such use case - before it gets too hot, the camera is turned off for 2 minutes, or alternatively, the oversampling is turned off and a new recording is started right away, then after 15 minutes the oversampling is turned on again and a new recording started right away. Will the modification transfer the heat out from the camera to the tripod fast enough?
@@kotolows That's a good question and I see why you are asking now.
I am looking at cooling via the HDMI and USB C ports also and I hope with the base plate and these options also used it will seriously help with heat then and we can forget about it in most use cases.
The big problem for me is I need to do each test at least 3 or 4 times and I need to let the camera cool down for hours in between so I can be sure of the results.
That's all time I don't really have these days as I have tons of shoots on these days.
I plan to do a lot more testing soon and I know I sort of neglected 4K this time but it took me nearly a week to make that video 😢
Do you know if using the battery grip would decrease the heat and hot cardboard warnings?
The battery grip doesn't help with the hot card warnings, I haven't tested them yet but a friend of mine has and he said it makes it slightly worse as the heat can't get out of the camera body as easily then. The plastic in the grip insulates the underneath of the camera so it's one less surface to dissipate the heat then. As I say I haven't tested it myself but that's what I was told by someone that tested it.
@@kieranhayesphotography Tganks so much for the info.
@@AlleywaystudiosNet66 no problem at all.
Good video! i like this plate but, I don't know if I want to put thermal paste in my beautiful Nikon Z8...ahah but I'm not against a thermal pad if it works as well, very thin of course. But for the price i prefer use, Zitay Cf Express to SSD, no limit...until now.
Hi, thanks for watching and the feedback. Yes, thermal pad would also work the only concern I had with a pad is that it might interfere with the weather sealing of the camera.
I never tried the CF to ssd adaptor but I know a few people have mentioned it alright.
Are the data transfer rates high enough from the dummy card? I must look into that a bit more.
@@kieranhayesphotography In any case for use on a gimbal or a tripod, the SSD via the CF express port works rather well, because the only problem in my opinion is that the door remains open, I don't see too much of a problem with in any case the Samsung 980 or 990 pro 2TB or 4TB SSDs.
Hello sir , saw the video and it's one of the most finest videos discussing about overheating issues of Z8 , my question is what about external cooling fans to cool the Z8 ? Is it compatible on the Z8 ? BTW Love your videos....
Thank you so very much for your kind comment and for watching.
I am looking at cooling fans, presently there is no fan that fits the Z8 though and the magnetic phone cooling fans won't stick to the Z8 properly.
I am also looking at one other modification that's easy enough to make yourself that will hopefully help cool the camera even more.
I will pop up another video on that when I get time to test it out properly over the next week or two.
Thanks again.
Thank you sir for your findings
Good
Have you tried using another CF Express B card? In my case I used the same card you used, it heated up after 30 seconds of film. Replace with the ANGELBIRD card CFexpress AV PRO SX Type B 160 Gb card, this message didn't appear again, I don't have another card from this brand bigger than this one. But still the z8 camera, if it's outside in the sun, it will heat up like larva...
Hi, thanks for watching, I appreciate the feedback. I am thinking your Prograde Gold card could be the older generation card, the card I am using here is the Gen 4.0 card and they are a lot faster and more thermally efficient thankfully.
The older cards overheated very quickly alright. I am looking at testing a few more cards going forward to see how much of a difference there is between them, I just need to get my hands on a few different makes now.
Cool idea! All I can advise is to make a part out of copper and a cage out of copper! Another idea is to try removing the battery and charging the camera only via USB C. Also, since the CF is heating up, you can insert a dummy with a battery into the CF Express slot, as you did th-cam.com/video/tNTI31kBgiM/w-d-xo.html. And please, could you compare it with your ND filter th-cam.com/video/vWSHovOhJ18/w-d-xo.html when it goes on sale? I wonder who has less color distortion!
Copper would be great for the cage but it would be incredibly expensive to make it. Most cages need a 10k plus unit sales figure for the investment in casting and moulding to be paid back.
I am not sold on the dummy CF Express cards. I don't like the cable and fiddlyness of it. It would help alright though to help keep the camera cool. Somebody else commented about that on another video and I asked them to let me know how they got on and I never heard back from them.
I was asked to review a VND filter from them a while back, I think it was a different one though. There are loads of VND filters out there and unless it ends out on my desk I won't be looking for it.
I have more than enough to keep me busy these days. Thanks for the input and have a great week.
@@kieranhayesphotography Let's be realistic though, the Z8 is a photo camera, for video it's better to buy the Z6III
@@ggdfggdfgdffgfddg34 I see the Z8 as an amazing hybrid camera and while the Z6iii is a really good video camera, I would think the Z9 is the best video camera by far out of the Nikon lineup with 8k video making it ideal for serious cropping and post production work it's a power house for anyone seriously into cinematography.
The larger body also seriously helps to throw out all that heat then too.
The Z6iii is amazing if you don't need 8K though but more and more clients are looking for it now for future proofing their content.
@@kieranhayesphotography Thanks for your opinion, yes, the Z9 made of magnesium alloy doesn't get as hot, just for serious production, the Z8 and Z6III are better options because of the shape of the body, it's easier to stabilize them on a gimbal, but of course it's a shame that the Z8 didn't have a built-in fan, then the Z6III wouldn't be needed!
@@ggdfggdfgdffgfddg34 exactly, maybe the Z8ii will have one 😉
Will he ship to germany? (from where?)
I am in Ireland and Catalin shipped it to me here, he lives in Romania.
If you email him he can give you a price for shipping. Very easy to deal with.
@@kieranhayesphotography Ok great, thank you.
@@Wild_Ekin he is also a really good photographer 👍
Why is everyone giving Canon a hard time about overheating but not Nikon?
Good question but maybe it's because Canon have traditionally had a lot of hybrid or video shooters buying their cameras whereas Nikon are mainly photographers or where anyway up until a few years ago.
There is no real issue with overheating when taking stills. Unless you are in high temps of course.
@@kieranhayesphotography Overheating is a video thing. Even the R5II is being questioned for overheating. The Z8 does the same-thing or maybe even worse compared to Canon.
@@contentm3893you should check official canon's r5m2 overheating data WITH a cooling battery grip. At 8k RAW Its dissappointing!
@@kieranhayesphotographyDid you delete my comment about r5m2 overheating?
@@Vladi_mir_M Hi, no I never delete comments unless they are really offensive or spam. It's still there.
Sorry had a busy day, but yes Nikon doesn't get as much hate for overheating alright.